Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia
Bonjour, Le contenu des liens en source sont stocké depuis 2009, nous avons tenté de récupérer les liens qui étaient en 404 par le biais d'internet archive et autre système de stockage. Depuis que nous stockons le contenu des liens en temps réel , il n'y a plus de cas comme tu le décris. Et quand ca marche : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:Jean-Paul_Ney#Mauvaise_information_et_mauvaise_source Cordialement Pascal Martin 06 13 89 77 32 02 32 40 23 69 - Original Message - From: Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia Le 21 janvier 2011 18:43, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com a écrit : Bonjour François En fait, wikiwix n'est pas un site miroir de Wikipedia (une copie). C'est un peu plus compliqué. Si la page vient à disparaitre ou devenir inaccessible, la version originale est toujours accessible via le système d'archivage wikiwix. Si ça marche. Mais si ça ne marche pas... http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/29_octobre_2010#A_quoi_sert_le_lien_.5Barchive.5D.3F ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia
Hello, First, let me say that we have taken down the offending link. But let me now correct some of your assertions. You say: this company is making money off display ads and it is through one of these links that your niece came across an adult site. These are not advertising links. Click-throughs do not generate revenues for Linterweb. The links are generated by our twitter-search algorithm which we are putting in place in order to return interesting up-to-the-minute results around search terms. You can an example of this twitter search service here: http://wikiwix.com/index.php?lang=frdisp=!twitter%2Ffr%2Faction=sarkozy The basic idea is that we want to show users material that is recent and fresh around their search term of interest. We're working on the algorithm still, and the fact that it sometimes produces results like this one demonstrates that we need to do more work on it. In the meantime, we have disabled the feature. Yours, Pascal Martin Bonjour, Avant de commencer ma réponse j'ai retiré ces liens. Je rectifie : Cette société d'archivage se rémunère par le biais de publicité. Et c'est depuis le site de cette société que votre nièce est tombée sur de la publicité pour un site pour adulte. Ce ne sont pas des liens publicitaires, c'est à dire que lorsqu'un internaute clique sur ces liens, Linterweb ne gagne pas d'argent. Ces liens sont issus de notre moteur de recherche twitter afin de données l'activité récente sur le titre de l'article http://wikiwix.com/index.php?lang=frdisp=!twitter%2Ffr%2Faction=sarkozy En effet l'idée derrière est de proposer une alternative sur les liens qui sont mis en source, en essayant de proposer à l'internaute l'activité récente sur le titre de l'article. Nos algorithmes étant encore trop perfectible et à améliorer nous avons pris la décision de suspendre cette affichage. Cordialement Cordialement Pascal Martin 06 13 89 77 32 02 32 40 23 69 - Original Message - From: F.-F. Duron ff.du...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia The integration of this search engine into wikipedia (which seems to be a very lucrative deal for this company) is just one of the problems. The ads that I've mentioned are unacceptable (escort girl = prostitution). I will never see such kind of ads on Google. And there is a big difference between Google, Bing and this company. The two first major companies are sending you the majority of your trafic. This little company is only making business by monetizing the trafic that Wikipedia send to them. The second problem is the cache system. I don't understand why the French Wikipedia is using their commercial cache system instead of the Internet Archive which 1) is a well known non profit organization and 2) has been advocating for free content for a long time and 3) doesn't show ads at all. 2011/1/21 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com There are no such thing as a partnership whit Wikiwix (or Google, Exalead, Bing and Yahoo). They are there only to improve the results of a search in case you don't find anything in Wikipedia. _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt/ (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* 2011/1/21 F.-F. Duron ff.du...@gmail.com Yes, but maybe you can control the partnerships you're making! Wikipedia is one of the most visited websites in the world. Don't you think there is a problem here?? 2011/1/21 Béria Lima y1030...@mail.aesbuc.pt I did what he ask: http://fr.wikiwix.com/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial%3ARechercheredirs=1action=sexfulltext=Searchsearchengineselect=wikiwixns0=1 But note that now you are not anymore in french wikipedia, but in Wikiwix. And we can't control what they put on their site. _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt/ (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* 2011/1/21 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:52 PM, F.-F. Duron ff.du...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's not a mirror site. This french start-up is making all its business with Wikipedia. This company has a cache system and some kind of search engine that are both integrated by default in the french Wikipedia. I don't know if other Wikipedias use it. Try doing a search on the word sex in Wikipedia fr ( http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recherche ) with the option Wikiwix. You will see ads related to porn sites, escort girl sites (!!), viagra Well, it's certainly a good deal
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikiwix porn ads (was: Advertising on Wikipedia)
Bonjour Je vous réponderai dans la fin de matinée. Cordialement Pascal Martin 06 13 89 77 32 02 32 40 23 69 - Original Message - From: Platonides platoni...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List public-foundation-l-rusutvdil2icgmh+5r0dm0b+6bgkl...@plane.gmane.org Cc: F.-F. Duron public-ff.duron-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@plane.gmane.org; smar...@linterweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:30 AM Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikiwix porn ads (was: Advertising on Wikipedia) F.-F. Duron a écrit: Yes, but maybe you can control the partnerships you're making! Wikipedia is one of the most visited websites in the world. Don't you think there is a problem here?? Ça me semble malhereuse. Je ne croix pas que wikiwix a directement placé ces pubs mais quelque annonce programme ils ont activé. J'envoye copie au Martin from wikiwix. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching
Bonjour Could you change the url for wikiwix, just remove lang=fr, since currently the search results are french and not ml as expected. Cordialement Pascal Martin 06 13 89 77 32 02 32 40 23 69 - Original Message - From: Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching I thought about this more, It would be to extract a list of all pages that are included as ref in the WP. We would use this for the search engine. we should also make sure that all referenced pages (not linked ones) are stored in archive.org or someplace permanent. I wonder if there is some API to extract this list easily? mike On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:49 PM, praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 08 December 2010 05:16 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: I know that some Wikipedias customized Special:Search, adding other search engines except Wikipedias built-in one. I tried to see whether any Wikipedia added an ability to search using Google (or Bing, or Yahoo, or any other search engine) excluding Wikipedia clones. Does anyone know whether it's possible to build such a thing? And maybe it already exists and i didn't search well enough? http://ml.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch not excluding other sites, but only including results from ml.wikipedia.org using site:ml.wikipedia.org in query ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A proposal of partnership between Wikimedia Foundation and Internet Archive
Dear all, The french ( since two years ) and hungarian wikipedia are using our archive, and it will be implemented in other french project. You could see them on all the french article : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maupassant#Notes_et_r.C3.A9f.C3.A9rences just click on archive. When a link is making we storage the content in real time after the link is making. If you need more information you could contact us on freenode on the chanel : #linterweb. Sincerely Pascal - Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] A proposal of partnership between Wikimedia Foundation and Internet Archive On 24 August 2010 14:57, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: I want to make a proposal about external links preservation. Many times, when you check an external link or a link reference, the website is dead or offline. This websites are important, because they are the sources for the facts showed in the articles. Internet Archive searches for interesting websites to save in their hard disks, so, we can send them our external links sql tables (all projects and languages of course). They improve their database and we always have a copy of the sources text to check when needed. I think that this can be a cool partnership. +1 - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A proposal of partnership between Wikimedia Foundation and Internet Archive
Dear teun, Linterweb is working around the wikipedia before 2007 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia So i am sure we will be online in the futur :) Looks like: http://wikiwix.com http://okawix.com Not a problem, if the source changes there is no change in our cache, it is what want the french community. Now we are working in feature , to add a parameter in the link wich needs frequently update. Sincerely Pascal - Original Message - From: teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] A proposal of partnership between Wikimedia Foundation and Internet Archive This looks like a solid organization. Solid in the sense that it wont go suddenly offline. Such links may be valuable for: - article references to sources, in case the source goes offline - article references to sources, in case thesource changes its content - media copies when the source changes or removes a license I took a look at the example in the french wiki, and didnt spot a date in the archive reference. If the source changes its content, this may pose a problem. kind regards, teun On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:57 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all; I want to make a proposal about external links preservation. Many times, when you check an external link or a link reference, the website is dead or offline. This websites are important, because they are the sources for the facts showed in the articles. Internet Archive searches for interesting websites to save in their hard disks, so, we can send them our external links sql tables (all projects and languages of course). They improve their database and we always have a copy of the sources text to check when needed. I think that this can be a cool partnership. Regards, emijrp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Problems using pictures from Commons in Blogger - making it more of a stock photo repository
Not to see the 404 error click here :) http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2010/08/big-boost-for-mediawiki-localisation-in.html - Original Message - From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List common...@lists.wikimedia.org; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Problems using pictures from Commons in Blogger - making it more of a stock photo repository Hoi, Blogger is the platform I use now for many years to blog about the subjects that are important in my appreciation of a Wiki world. At first I did not illustrate my blogposts but thanks to Pfctdayelise I started to pepper my blog posts with illustrations. At this moment it is no longer possible for me to upload pictures to blogger. The message that I get is that I have to ensure that I have a license for the pictures that I upload. This is true for pictures that I have downloaded from Commons and cropped, it is for screen shots of the interaction with the Blogger user interface.. It is possible for me to get pictures displayed when I refer to the upload page of a Commons picture but that does me no good when it is a svg picture. Obviously I can download the picture and save it as an png ... but that does me no good. There are several solutions to this problem. I can upload the png, I can use Wordpress instead. The obvious solution is for Google to get its act together. The solution that I like best is for Commons to become a true repository of images that is not only intended for the illustration of Wikipedia and its sister projects but also for the illustration of blogs like mine. Commons is my first choice for illustrations for my blog but for some topics it just does not provide me with the illustration that I am looking for. I think that Commons has already many images that are usable, what would be needed is just a different kind of pictures or more pictures that are grouped by subject and easier to find. Thanks, GerardM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Farsi.svg The svg I would like to use as a png http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2010/08/big-boost-for-mediawiki-localisation-in.htmlthe blog post that needs an illustration ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
It s possible to buy a usb key with okawix http://www.okawix.com - Original Message - From: ster...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia Why would anybody want to buy it if it is possible to download it for free? download is impractical, it takes too long. Often you want it offline, when no internet-connection is available. Or you want to have a fixed version, not overwritten by updates. Or you want to have it in case it stops and goes offline and is maybe no longer available one day. The German version is being sold in Germany, but not the larger English version. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
