Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2
Thirded. Waerth Or you could simply restore the one-line code modification that provided the default behavior requested by the community (pending evidence that an alternative setup is beneficial). Seconded. Just bring them back already. This is an imaginary problem you've come up with here. The community is pretty much literally begging for their return and I think we've offered a lot of very good arguments. Is this going to be the day that Wikipedia jumped the shark and users' opinions stopped counting? Please don't let it be. M. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Where do our readers come from?
H what saddens me is that such a low percentage use the Thai wikipedia in Thailand instead of the English one. Having lived in Thailand for over 10 years now my estimation is that only 10% of the populous would speak English good enough to be able to read English wikipedia articles at least partially. And this is the part of the population with the best education. This would mean that unfortunately Wikipedia doesn't reach the part of the population it is meant for. The part whom have less access to education. Waerth/Walter ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist
If I were a rich and famous person that wanted to help out the WMF I would get shitscared by this list and wouldn't touch the foundation with a 10 foot pole W ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Bookshelf project
I am worried about this passage in the Bookshelf project The materials created as part of the Bookshelf Project include basic first step documents, compelling invitations to participate, *but most importantly, **in-depth series of resources targeting potential editors, trainers, and evangelists.* The materials also provide models, such as lessen plans, for how teachers, professors, and journalists can use Wikipedia in their professional capacity. I never new the goal of the wikimedia foundation was to evangelize the world. As an agnost I take offence to this. Waerth ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours
There are people living in Asia and Australia as well actually ... you know! Oh wait they aren't Western people so why bother .. W Best option would be to have two sets, one for Europe and one for the Americas. From: Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:38:12 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Office hours -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It seems that I've gotten complaints that both sets of office hours times are difficult for Europeans. However, in the interest of having the broadest participation possible, I'm interested to know how people feel about one of the following: 1) Have the Friday office hours one hour earlier (from 21:30-22:30 UTC) 2) Have the Thursday office hours one hour later (from 17:00-18:00 UTC) 3) Keep two sets of office hours the same, we cannot please everyone possible! - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkrBLMAACgkQyQg4JSymDYnDcgCePVl4xtOW9DyWPKr7GETgkd8B ElwAn3zXiBebDJSFySML11qxIAL4BYsp =uuz/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours ... the concept of time zones
Basically if there is room for two sets of office hours it should still be possible to please most of the world. There are times when Europe/Africa and the Americas overlap. And there are times when East Asia/Australia and the Americas overlap There are no hours that all 3 of these rough zones would overlap really and West Asia/Middle East would be a bit tricky to fit in with these zones. Basically office hours for an Americas/East Asia/Australia zone would overlap best from 0300 to 0500 UTC (Evening Americas, Morning/afternoon East Asia/Australia and even west Asia could fit in) Office hours for an Americas/Europe zone could be something like 1900 UTC till 2100 UTC (Afternoon/morning Americas, Evening Europe) When you plan round and bout these hours most of the world would be satisfied and able to participate in either one or the other set of office hours! W I think having the thursday meeting one or two more hours later would work fine for Europe, so if that works also better for Australia... Not sure about the Friday one, although the next day is weekend. 2130 UTC sounds like a good time though. 2009/9/29 Angela bees...@gmail.com 1) Have the Friday office hours one hour earlier (from 21:30-22:30 UTC) 2) Have the Thursday office hours one hour later (from 17:00-18:00 UTC) 3) Keep two sets of office hours the same, we cannot please everyone possible! If you make the Friday one earlier, it becomes more inaccessible to people in Asia and Western Australia who will likely be sleeping through the Thursday one. What about making both of them a couple of hours later? Angela ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours ... the concept of time zones
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/9/30 Waerth wae...@asianet.co.th: Basically if there is room for two sets of office hours it should still be possible to please most of the world. There are times when Europe/Africa and the Americas overlap. And there are times when East Asia/Australia and the Americas overlap There are no hours that all 3 of these rough zones would overlap really and West Asia/Middle East would be a bit tricky to fit in with these zones. Basically office hours for an Americas/East Asia/Australia zone would overlap best from 0300 to 0500 UTC (Evening Americas, Morning/afternoon East Asia/Australia and even west Asia could fit in) That's 8pm to 10pm in San Francisco (daylight saving time, 7pm to 9pm otherwise), I think this really needs to happen during business hours in SF, otherwise staff have to give up their free time for it. If they are willing to do that, then great, but we shouldn't expect them to. That is true ... but it would be awfully nice if they would do ... maybe change their hours for those particular days (instead of 9 to 17 work from 14 to 22?) otherwise it would be difficult to fit Asia/Australia in in any schedule really. The other option would be something like 0200 utc (though very early for India) or 1400/1500 utc (but this would be very late for Japan and Australia/New Zealand). Personally I would opt for 0200 utc then as that would squeeze by best I guess . I know I was being a tad aggressive but I get pretty upset when people plan things conveniently for the Europeans and Americans and forget that there are 3.5 billion people on other parts of the planet out there some of whom do participate . W ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury
I have just received an email that I am elligable to vote in the board elections. While I am inelligeble as I am blocked on the nl.wikipedia since 3 months already. This ads insult to injury. As I was blocked on request of a sockpupeteer whom is now blocked himself together with multiple other accounts. As 3 months ago the arbcom said it accepted the case regarding my block. The blocking mod did it without community consensus and is a part of the arbcom himself (which explains why it is taking them 3 months already) In every case the Dutch arbcom emails the person and asks them for their side of the story. In 3 months NO member of the Dutch arbcom has even bothered to mail me. They have only asked their blocking fellow arbcom member for a statement!! How do you mean this is rigging things? My block was doubled because when checking another account it was claimed it was me while it wasn't obviously 500.000 Thai internetters behind the same IP range will give problems and any Thai IP seems to be me in the logic of the mods. According to the wikimedia foundations rules someone whom is blocked is not allowed to vote. So why I was send this mail it bothers me. It is insulting me on top of this block about nothing as I never performed vandalism or endangered the encyclopedia. I merely pointed out that one of the anonymous moderators in reality is not whom he claims he is and is writing articles about himself and familymembers. This while he is blocking other people who do the same and have the honesty to admit it. And is also aggressively pursuing this stance on the deletion lists. Thus this mod is a hypocrite, doing what he haunts others for. But me telling this to the community was a blockable offence it seems. Waerth ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury
Chen Minqi wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Waerth wae...@asianet.co.th wrote: According to the wikimedia foundations rules someone whom is blocked is not allowed to vote. You are not eligible to vote on nlwp, but on other wikis you may be eligible, so that is why you received the email I guess? Nope because I wouldn't qualify according to other subrules W ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Pictures of Bangkok riots
The 13th I took 70 pictures of the fight between the red shirts and the army. I was in the first lines when the soldiers were shot at and molotov cocktails were thrown. The 14th I took pictures of the situation around government house in a more peacefull setting after the army had disbanded the red shirts. Even though I have refused for 2,5 years to add any more of my knowledge to the Dutch wikipedia about thailand because of the bunch of idiotic civil servants ruling the place as if it is their own personal fiefdom I decided to give a couple of pictures. Today 5 of the 19 pictures were put up for deletion ... and why because I forgot to say they were CC-BY-SA like the other 14 anyone with a bunch of brains would have asked me at my Talk page to add the license or would have done it themselves as they could safely assume that I would give them the same license as the other pictures . But no the damn civil servants put them up for deletion. This is really hurting especially since I have done so much for the Dutch wikipedia and because for the first 6 pictures I was in a situation of violence. I regret deeply that I have donated these pictures to the wikimedia foundation and I hope that they will be deleted. As Soon As Possible. And do not suggest Commons. That project is even worse. I would need a week just to study all of their idiocies. Waerth/Walter van Kalken ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Pictures of Bangkok riots
When I joined wikipedia 5 years ago we had something called ASSUME GOOD FAITH. That meant that you didn't nominate stuff for deletion first. You ASKED someone first! I have been on the projects for well over 5 years now, I have written over 1000 articles. People could ask first. How is the project hurt if someone waits a day instead of within an hour nominating something for deletion without asking first. The problem is all these selfmade programs with which the admins do their adminning. They just press a button and everything is done. No brains are used anymore. You could have a monkey be an admin on wikipedia and no-one would notice the difference. Wikipedia used to be a human project once. It is now ruled by robots and automated responses. Which means that people have forgotten that if you see an experienced user ERR on the wrong you ask him first and not immediately put something up for deletion. Another wikipedian, Jojan asked me politely first so I did what he asked. Ciell put up for deletion first and only after I got angry she asked ... wrong order! Waerth And no I will not add the license myself, I am waiting for Ciell to do it. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Waerth wae...@asianet.co.th wrote: Today 5 of the 19 pictures were put up for deletion ... and why because I forgot to say they were CC-BY-SA like the other 14 anyone with a bunch of brains would have asked me at my Talk page to add the license or would have done it themselves as they could safely assume that I would give them the same license as the other pictures . I see you got a message in your talk page, I'm pretty sure the deletion process would have stopped immediately after you put the license you forgot. By not putting the license tag themselves they're protecting your author's rights, as they can't be sure you really wanted to license the photos as cc-by-sa. God knows, maybe you would have written a pissed off email saying that the damn civil servants license your images without asking you... But no the damn civil servants put them up for deletion. Like I guess they would have done with anyone's images, including another fellow admin This is really hurting especially since I have done so much for the Dutch wikipedia and because for the first 6 pictures I was in a situation of violence. I regret deeply that I have donated these pictures to the wikimedia foundation and I hope that they will be deleted. As Soon As Possible. You know what? Tagging the other 5 images would have taken much less time than writing this email, and you would have pissed off fewer people. Cruccone ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Pictures of Bangkok riots
And as a thank you for the pictures I am being blocked. Waerth The 13th I took 70 pictures of the fight between the red shirts and the army. I was in the first lines when the soldiers were shot at and molotov cocktails were thrown. The 14th I took pictures of the situation around government house in a more peacefull setting after the army had disbanded the red shirts. Even though I have refused for 2,5 years to add any more of my knowledge to the Dutch wikipedia about thailand because of the bunch of idiotic civil servants ruling the place as if it is their own personal fiefdom I decided to give a couple of pictures. Today 5 of the 19 pictures were put up for deletion ... and why because I forgot to say they were CC-BY-SA like the other 14 anyone with a bunch of brains would have asked me at my Talk page to add the license or would have done it themselves as they could safely assume that I would give them the same license as the other pictures . But no the damn civil servants put them up for deletion. This is really hurting especially since I have done so much for the Dutch wikipedia and because for the first 6 pictures I was in a situation of violence. I regret deeply that I have donated these pictures to the wikimedia foundation and I hope that they will be deleted. As Soon As Possible. And do not suggest Commons. That project is even worse. I would need a week just to study all of their idiocies. Waerth/Walter van Kalken ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Pictures of Bangkok riots
Well with the way the Dutch moderators are they deserve this. The blocking moderator JacobH said on nl.wikipedia that I have: threathened the blocking mod with violence Which is pathetic as he has no proof and just ask the unblocking mod. This is LIBEL pure and simple. (http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Overleg_gebruiker%3AWaerthdiff=16408975oldid=16408950) Here you can see that the unblocking moderator refutes this: (http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Overleg_gebruiker%3AWaerthdiff=16409304oldid=16408975) Right now in Wikipedia there is a statement that I have threathened someone with physical violence. Which I have clearly never done. This is the average level of the moderation on the Dutch wikipedia. I demand this to be oversighted out as this is libel pure and simple. Unfortunately when this is oversighted out I cannot start a desysop against this mod. Waerth In response to my own email, Google Translate gives me the impression that you were blocked for flipping out [1] and becoming horrendously uncivil [2] with your colleagues, in response to the deletion issue. *1: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hphl=enjs=nu=http%3A%2F%2Fnl.wikipedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpeciaal%253ALogboeken%26type%3Dblock%26user%3DWaerth%26page%3D%26year%3D%26month%3D-1sl=nltl=en *2: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnl.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FOverleg_gebruiker%3AWaerthsl=nltl=enhl=enie=UTF-8 -Dan On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: Waerth; What were the reasons given for the blocking? Also, I understand if you're upset and don't want to upload them any more, but if you like, send me the best several of the shots (with caption please) and I will upload them to English Wikipedia. -Dan On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Waerth wae...@asianet.co.th wrote: And as a thank you for the pictures I am being blocked. Waerth The 13th I took 70 pictures of the fight between the red shirts and the army. I was in the first lines when the soldiers were shot at and molotov cocktails were thrown. The 14th I took pictures of the situation around government house in a more peacefull setting after the army had disbanded the red shirts. Even though I have refused for 2,5 years to add any more of my knowledge to the Dutch wikipedia about thailand because of the bunch of idiotic civil servants ruling the place as if it is their own personal fiefdom I decided to give a couple of pictures. Today 5 of the 19 pictures were put up for deletion ... and why because I forgot to say they were CC-BY-SA like the other 14 anyone with a bunch of brains would have asked me at my Talk page to add the license or would have done it themselves as they could safely assume that I would give them the same license as the other pictures . But no the damn civil servants put them up for deletion. This is really hurting especially since I have done so much for the Dutch wikipedia and because for the first 6 pictures I was in a situation of violence. I regret deeply that I have donated these pictures to the wikimedia foundation and I hope that they will be deleted. As Soon As Possible. And do not suggest Commons. That project is even worse. I would need a week just to study all of their idiocies. Waerth/Walter van Kalken ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Dan Rosenthal ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Encarta is dead
Tomorrow is April 1st ... On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: The Encarta people were very unprecise about what they are going to do in future... So, this means that there remains no big encyclopedia but ours? Except Britannica? And what about the situation in French, Italian etc., has anyone an overview about that? Then I also ask myself in how far this evolution is to be credited mainly to Wikipedia, or has it been the Internet in general that killed the dead-tree-encyclopedias. I remember that in 1999 or 2000 I already did not buy a paper encyclopedia because of the Internet. As a young student of linguistics I was interested in Sumerian language. In 1996 I went to the National library of Serbia and took Britannica's 1995 edition. So, I've got the next references: * Arno Poebel, Grundzüge der sumerischen Grammatik (1923), partly out of date, but still the only full grammar of Sumerian in all its stages; * Adam Falkenstein, Grammatik der Sprache Gudeas von Lagaš, 2 vol. (1949–50), a very thorough grammar of the New Sumerian dialect, * Das Sumerische (1959), a very brief but comprehensive survey of the Sumerian language; * Cyril J. Gadd, Sumerian Reading Book (1924), outdated but the only grammatical tool in English; * Samuel N. Kramer, The Sumerians (1963), provides a general introduction to Sumerian civilization. Anecdote around this is that I was very confident in my linguistic knowledge and that I thought that I am able to understand linguistically German from 1923 (Arno Poebel's book). So, I went to the Library of Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts and asked them to make an inter-library borrowing from some German library. With a lot of enthusiasm I've started to read it... Of course, it was a complete disaster: I wasn't able to take any information. Copy of that book is still somewhere in my library. One year later, in 1997, I tried to find something about Sumerian language at the net. Hm. I found at least two sites with full grammars of Sumerian dialects. So, I've finished with [traditional] encyclopedias. BTW, the list of references above is from Britannica's [present] online edition [1]. Nothing was changed since 1995 edition. I remember well the list. References from the English Wikipedia's article [2] are: * Edzard, Dietz Otto (2003). Sumerian Grammar. Leiden: Brill. ISBN 90-04-12608-2. (grammar treatment for the advanced student) * Thomsen, Marie-Louise (2001) [1984]. The Sumerian Language: An Introduction to Its History and Grammatical Structure. Copenhagen: Akademisk Forlag. ISBN 87-500-3654-8. (Well-organized with over 800 translated text excerpts.) * Diakonoff, I. M. (1976). Ancient Writing and Ancient Written Language: Pitfalls and Peculiarities in the Study of Sumerian. Assyriological Studies 20 (Sumerological Studies in Honor of Thorkild Jakobsen): 99–121. * Rubio, Gonzalo (2007). Sumerian Morphology. In Morphologies of Asia and Africa, vol. 2, pp. 1327-1379. Edited by Alan S. Kaye.. Winona Lake, Ind.: Eisenbrauns. ISBN 1-57506-109-0. * Attinger, Pascal (1993). Eléments de linguistique sumérienne: La construction de du11/e/di. Göttingen: VandenhoeckRuprecht. ISBN 37-2780-869-1. * Volk, Konrad (1997). A Sumerian Reader. Rome: Pontificio Istituto Biblico. ISBN 88-7653-610-8. (collection of Sumerian texts) * Michalowski, Piotr, 'Sumerian as an Ergative Language', Journal of Cuneiform Studies 32 (1980), 86-103. [1] - http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/573229/Sumerian-language [2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance
Oh boy in comes the political correctness brigade . Hi, I believe that we have a lot of images from flickr with sexual content. And there is no way to make sure that the (Fe)male on the photo agrees with the photo on commons or the licence it is under. I have tryed to nominate images like that for deletion. I can say all image are kept. The main reasson was the image is free so we can have it. I believe that image with sexual content have to be checked... Do we need it... Is it really free Isn't there a other option than a image. We have more than one category with nude male or female images and most of them are not in use on any project. I don't think we need the images with very young people on it. Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening
The commons issue is not just a language issua. If it was it was solvable. It is a hositility issue. Where people who upload the second picture of the same object (like a TukTuk) get told it is not necassary because the project already has one picture of a TukTuk . The problem is that the commoners do not understand that the project was started to make things easier for all the other wikimedia projects. Instead they have now become a hindrance to the wikimedia projects. And when you try to upload something locally it is removed and moved to commons where it will be removed again ... so a lot of work for nothing. Which is exactly why I do not upload any of the 100's of pictures of Thai artists that I have taken while performing with them. I can do without the hassle. And I am an experiences wikimedian. Can you imagine how strangers perceive the aggressive behaviour at commons? Waerth Hoi, When people from other projects tell me that this is one of the reasons why they do not bother with Commons, I have to disbelieve them? Try to find paard and you will not be served in the same way as with horse the search result is inferior. Dutch is not the worst option, try ίππος and you find nothing. This is Greek and it also means horse. It is indeed ridiculous that for people who do not read / write English, Commons not a resource that is functional as a resource where you find freely lincensed pictures. It is however a fact. Do some studies and ask people to find images, people who do not read English. Try it in Arabic, Russian, German, Mandarin, French or Dutch. When that does not convince you try Neapolitan, Nepali, Bangla, Hindi or Xhosa. Have them search for things that are of interest to a seven year old. Things like a horse... I have had the financing to create a demonstration project that demonstrates that this is a problem that can be solved. Our resources were limited so the result is not as polished as I would hope for, but it does include the category tree translated. So the bad news is that Commons is unusable for everyone who does not read English and the good news is, that it is a solvable problem. Thanks, GerardM 2008/12/9 Brion Vibber [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Commons provides no benefit except for sharing the same picture to people who do not read / write English. They cannot possibly find pictures and consequently for them Commons is useless. That's simply ridiculous. Many files, categories, and galleries are labeled in multiple languages... or even not in English at all. :) Certainly it'll be *more useful* as we're able to add more widespread tag/category translations to help automate cross-language search, but the notion that people cannot possibly find pictures or that the site is useless is ridiculous and undermines the legitimate portion of your position (that it would be good to add more multilingual features to Commons). - -- brion -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk9y5AACgkQwRnhpk1wk45ATACgmK2BtPl5YFs2ht1QcspC1zvE TygAoMcWp+0sQtAGo5ky28hl1usgLpTF =twDY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
