Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Stopping the presses: Britannica to stop printing books

[emijrp]

2012/3/13 Samuel Klein 

> "Today our digital database is much larger than what we can fit in the
> print set. And it is up to date because we can revise it within
> minutes anytime we need to, and we do it many times each day."
>
>
Wow, they update the encyclopedia many times each day.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains, SOPA, Godaddy and MarkMonitor

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2012/3/10 Domas Mituzas 

> Hi!
>
> I hereby congratulate Wikimedia Foundation switching domains from
> pro-SOPA Godaddy to MarkMonitor.
>
> Not that many people know, but MarkMonitor is ahead of the industry in
> anti-piracy fight:
>
> * They have systems to do real-time content filtering for ISPs, that
> stop peer-to-peer piracy.
> * They provide evidence for largest media and entertainment copyright
> holders, that is accepted in civil and criminal courts.
> * They have state of the art systems to monitor millions of titles on
> peer to peer networks and send Cease and Desist letters.
>
> There're way more anti-piracy activities that MarkMonitor does, and
> I'm happy that WMF and MM are joining their forces.
> I hope it will lead to better Creative Commons license enforcing, as
> well as detecting illegal use of content on WMF sites too, some day.
>
>
That real-time content filtering skills are definitely aligned with our
image filter ambitions.

Well played.


> BR,
> Domas
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] "Cartman Gets an Anal Probe" English Wikipedia's featured article today

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2012/2/7 HaeB 

> 2012/2/7 Svip :
> > On 7 February 2012 04:49, MZMcBride  wrote:
> >
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Bad_choice_of_featured_article
> >> is pretty good reading.
> >
> > The complaints usually sums as 'hey, great work on that article,
> > unfortunately, I am a bit uncomfortable with subject at hand, so let's
> > best not celebrate your contributions'.
>
> Actually, the English Wikipedia's Featured Article Director


What is that?


> has stated
> himself


Why are not that decissions taken under community consensus?


> that some articles will not be featured on the main page
> (although he prefers to keep that list short and it currently consists
> only of the article "Jenna Jameson"):
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654/archive25#Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED_and_the_Main_Page
>
>
I read here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us that
"Wikipedia has no editorial board". Why is there a person deciding what
can't be shown in the main page?


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Re: [Foundation-l] "Cartman Gets an Anal Probe" English Wikipedia's featured article today

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Oh, that discussion again. Try harder, German style
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_%E2%80%93_Die_freie_Enzyklop%C3%A4die_1269203954464.png

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_Diskussion:Hauptseite/alt3&diff=prev&oldid=72174091

2012/2/7 MZMcBride 

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Bad_choice_of_featured_article
> is pretty good reading.
>
> MZMcBride
>
>
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] English Wikipedia to go dark January 18 in opposition to SOPA/PIPA

[emijrp]

The Italian bill was not removed, the vote was just delayed. So, if any, I
see a poor effect here after compromising our goals.

2012/1/17 Samuel Klein 

> 2012/1/17 Delphine Ménard 
>
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:
> > > Thanks for this announcement Jay, and everyone involved in the planning
> > of
> > > this unprecedented action.
> >
> > For what it's worth, I want to particularly thank the Italian
> > Community, for showing us with their own blackout what power Wikipedia
> > can unleash to fight for freedom.
> >
>
> +1 -- and for reminding us what an impact a focused large-scale community
> discussion can have on all aspects of running the projects.
>
> SJ
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Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

[emijrp]

2012/1/16 David Gerard 

> On 16 January 2012 20:21, emijrp  wrote:
>
> > But I know what I have to do the next time I see a dangerous cultural
> > situation that need help. I won't give a damn.
>
>
> If you post about it in a manner that doesn't come across like an
> abusive idiot, you may get further. It's worth a try!!
>
>
I have proposed several high profile and long-term important projects to
WMF goals before this one for months, like the archive of all external
links and references at Internet Archive/WebCitation to preserve all our
sources,[1] or the XML dumps mirroring using universities network
resources.[2] None of them had success because WMF didn't give a damn.
Patience has its limits.

You say that I'm an idiot, you have no memory. But man, no problem, enjoy
attacking the wrong side.

Regards,
emijrp

[1]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-August/060646.html
[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps
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Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

[emijrp]

2012/1/16 David Gerard 

> On 16 January 2012 18:40, emijrp  wrote:
>
> > If I write that post, I will post it on my blog. Making WMF work is not
> my
> > interest. My interest is to remark the biased behaviour of them and post
> > some suggestions.
>
>
> Handy hint for the future: this is volunteer land. If you really want
> something to happen with the Wikimedia name attached, an effective
> method is to do quite a bit of it yourself in a manner that uses the
> resources available. An ineffective method is to post about how awful
> other people are for not having already done it for you.
>
>
>
No. Me and you (probably) are in volunteer land. They are in paid land, so
it is their job.

I spend much time working for free for these wiki projects. I don't have
more resources, money or time to spend on more stuff.

But I know what I have to do the next time I see a dangerous cultural
situation that need help. I won't give a damn.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

[emijrp]

2012/1/16 David Gerard 

> On 16 January 2012 17:31, emijrp  wrote:
>
> > WMF reply to this thread
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Field_cricket_Gryllus_pennsylvanicus.ogg
> > Step 1 was not taken yet.
>
>
> As I noted, you want it to happen, you would be the person to write the
> post.
>
>
If I write that post, I will post it on my blog. Making WMF work is not my
interest. My interest is to remark the biased behaviour of them and post
some suggestions.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

[emijrp]

2012/1/7 emijrp 

> 2012/1/7 David Gerard 
>
>> On 7 January 2012 20:12, emijrp  wrote:
>>
>> > The Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina holds 400,000 artifacts.
>> > Any National Cultural Institution closing is a disaster.
>>
>> Yes, it is. So what's the game plan?
>>
>>
> I'm not sure. If the WMF goals are to collect/preserve/disseminate
> educational content, they can start with the holdings in endangered
> cultural institutions. It is not my work, but some suggestions, from low to
> high involvement:
>
> * blog post exposing the events
> * a call to the museums, showing that we are concerned
> * offering wikimedia projects to host any materials they want to give
> * marathon to create related articles
> * organize a "Wiki Invades..." to take photos and notes of the collections
> * wikipedian in residence and put some money to fund some activities
> * any other high profile partnership
>
> And read international news related to our long-term goals.
>
>
WMF reply to this thread
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Field_cricket_Gryllus_pennsylvanicus.ogg

Step 1 was not taken yet.



> Regards,
> emijrp
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?

[emijrp]

2011/10/28 Tim Starling 

> On 28/10/11 01:43, emijrp wrote:
> > Obvious sarcasm is obvious. But people think you are serious.
> >
> > I'm not sure who is more dangerous, stupid politicians speaking about
> > closing sites or stupid wikipedians closing Wikipedia sites when
> politicians
> > speak about closing sites.
>
> About 90% of everything that comes out of Domas's mouth is sarcasm. So
> if you don't know whether he's being sarcastic about something, you
> can assume that he is and get it right 90% of the time.
>
> Domas probably had the same reaction to the Italian Wikipedia protest
> as I did. We both spend a lot of time making sure Wikipedia is always
> up and available for people to read, so it's painful to see a small
> proportion of a wiki's users decide to take a whole wiki offline for
> everyone.
>
> -- Tim Starling
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative#Comment_on_blackouts_and_technical_feasibilities

"...it is very likely that we will not be able to make 100% sure that
nobody can access Wikipedia..."

@Domas, @Tim: As Wikimedia tech staff. Have you changed your mind? Are you
working to blackout English Wikipedia?
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[Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA

[emijrp]

Forwarding an alarming e-mail for your interest.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Wade Mollison 
Date: 2012/1/13
Subject: Wikipedia
To: "\"emijrp\"" 

Emily,

Quick request:  Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and
PIPA, the Internet censorship bills.
*It'd be huge news, jar rank-and-file Internet users out of complacency,
and serve as a turning point in the effort to beat these bills.*

*Will you encourage Wikipedia to protest censorship by going dark?  Just
click here.*

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Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

[emijrp]

2012/1/7 David Gerard 

> On 7 January 2012 20:12, emijrp  wrote:
>
> > The Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina holds 400,000 artifacts.
> > Any National Cultural Institution closing is a disaster.
>
> Yes, it is. So what's the game plan?
>
>
I'm not sure. If the WMF goals are to collect/preserve/disseminate
educational content, they can start with the holdings in endangered
cultural institutions. It is not my work, but some suggestions, from low to
high involvement:

* blog post exposing the events
* a call to the museums, showing that we are concerned
* offering wikimedia projects to host any materials they want to give
* marathon to create related articles
* organize a "Wiki Invades..." to take photos and notes of the collections
* wikipedian in residence and put some money to fund some activities
* any other high profile partnership

And read international news related to our long-term goals.

Regards,
emijrp
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Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

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2012/1/7 geni 

> On 7 January 2012 16:53, emijrp  wrote:
> > It is sure that LOC is in the top priorities for Americans, and the BNL
> for
> > Serbians, don't you think so? Thanks for showing your patent chauvinism.
>
> Never ever imply that I am American again.
>

I'm not implying that you are American. I'm just saying that you are an
ignorant chauvinist.

The Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina holds 400,000 artifacts.

Any National Cultural Institution closing is a disaster.
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Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?

[emijrp]

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-01-04/tech/30586955_1_zynga-sopa-paypal

2011/12/12 emijrp 

> ANDDD HERE WE GO
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Request_for_Comment:_SOPA_and_a_strike
>
>
> 2011/10/27 Domas Mituzas 
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to
>> protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia?
>>
>>
>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever
>>
>> Domas
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Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

[emijrp]

It is sure that LOC is in the top priorities for Americans, and the BNL for
Serbians, don't you think so? Thanks for showing your patent chauvinism.

Funding disputes can be sorted out in the same fashion SOPA disputes, if
agents work to solve them and show interest.

We can't say we care about all human knowledge when we give priority to
cases depending on our birthplace.

2012/1/7 geni 

> On 7 January 2012 13:01, emijrp  wrote:
> > Dear all;
> >
> > Bosnia's top cultural institutions[1] (National Museum, Historical
> Museum,
> > National Gallery) and the National Library which was burnt in 1992, are
> > closing their doors for funding disputes.
> >
> > This is a disaster for the spreading of human knowledge, and I don't see
> > any blog post in the Wikimedia blog. Are you so worried and biased with
> the
> > US bills?
> >
> > Imagine the WMF reaction if Library of Congress closes.
> >
>
> Well lets face it the LOC and the Bosnian  National Library are not
> really in the same league. In any case is there any particular reason
> to think that the funding disputes wont eventually be sorted out?
>
> --
> geni
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[Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

[emijrp]

Dear all;

Bosnia's top cultural institutions[1] (National Museum, Historical Museum,
National Gallery) and the National Library which was burnt in 1992, are
closing their doors for funding disputes.

This is a disaster for the spreading of human knowledge, and I don't see
any blog post in the Wikimedia blog. Are you so worried and biased with the
US bills?

Imagine the WMF reaction if Library of Congress closes.

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=144755322
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Re: [Foundation-l] Spanish website blocking law implemented

[emijrp]

http://gigaom.com/2012/01/04/how-spains-version-of-sopa-is-setting-the-web-on-fire/

2012/1/4 Federico Leva (Nemo) 

> emijrp, 04/01/2012 18:59:
> > With this law, a special team in the Ministry of Culture of Spain can
> block
> > any (for-profit or non-profit) website, from Spain or overseas, that
> > _links_ to copyrighted works. Including Google, Wikipedia or whatever.
> > Without a judge.
>
> That's entirely different!
>
> > For further details, search for an analysis.
>
> The slashdot post links end up to a 6 months old WSJ article, is there
> some more recent one you recommend? (Also Spanish.)
> Thanks,
> Nemo
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Spanish website blocking law implemented

[emijrp]

With this law, a special team in the Ministry of Culture of Spain can block
any (for-profit or non-profit) website, from Spain or overseas, that
_links_ to copyrighted works. Including Google, Wikipedia or whatever.
Without a judge.

For further details, search for an analysis.

2012/1/4 Lodewijk 

> We should be careful to start calling all copyright related laws evil (at
> least you seem to suggest that) because then that would devaluate very
> quickly. At least what I see quickly (but IANALawyer and IANASpaniard) this
> law is not thát evil: the government can ask to close a website that is
> actually infringing, and the actual enforcement remains with the courts (an
> ISP is allowed to disagree, and leave it to an impartial judge). What would
> be more dangerous is if there would be no judge involved, if linking to
> content alone is enough to block the site, if there are no copyright
> exeptions (Freedom of Speech etc) to be considered, etc. You can't really
> condemn every law trying to enforce copyright - but you should try to find
> a way that is least harmful (especially for 'innocent sites'), fair and
> considering other (ground)rights.
>
> L
>
> No dia 3 de Janeiro de 2012 09:26, Kim Bruning  >escreveu:
>
> >
> > Looks like .us is pushing other countries to implement similar laws, eg.
> > .es :
> >
> >
> >
> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/03/0241248/spanish-website-blocking-law-implemented
> >
> > sincerely,
> >Kim Bruning
> >
> >
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Re: [Foundation-l] Spanish website blocking law implemented

[emijrp]

Yes, the Great United States of America is a POV pusher country which is
lobbying to create new laws to protect its IP industry overseas.

2012/1/3 Kim Bruning 

>
> Looks like .us is pushing other countries to implement similar laws, eg.
> .es :
>
>
> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/03/0241248/spanish-website-blocking-law-implemented
>
> sincerely,
>Kim Bruning
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 videos - mission complete!

[emijrp]

Those who want to download all the videos, can use this script[1] and run
this in a Unix console:

python youtube-dl -t -i -c http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaIL

[1] http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/

2011/11/29 Itzik Edri 

> Hi,
>
> *I happy to announce that all the videos from Wikimania 2011 in Haifa are
> now available on our channel in YouTube!:
> http://www.youtube.com/WikimediaIL
> .*
> Next week I will send a HDD with all the footage and the edited videos to
> the WMF so they will have a copy for archive and so they can upload it to
> commons also.
>
> *Don't forget also to check our Flickr stream!:
> http://www.flickr.com/WikimediaIL*
>
> On the schedule you will find links to the videos:
> http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule
>
> Also, on each submissions page there is a links to the video, slides and
> Etherpad (if available). *For the presenter who didn't upload their slides
> yet, please do so and update your submissions page.*
>
> *** Bonus! - a video clip that we made after Wikimania to summarize the
> (amazing!) beach party: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1-MzHGA6fc ***
>
> It was harder than we thought - to record 3 days, in 5 simulation
> High-Definition cameras, and than edit, upload and tag them - really not an
> easy thing. What we thought will take us few weeks, took about 2 months -
> but I'm happy that we finish with that finally :)
>
> I think now we've made this step, we finished our commitment to the
> community and to the conference participants. I Hope everyone will enjoy
> and will found our (hard) work useful. I personally going to find time to
> watch some of lectures... (a tip for Wikimania organizers - don't plan to
> attend session during the conference, you will fail :).
>
> And some statistics:
> We have about 2TB of footages, 135GB of edit videos, all of them are in HD.
> During the confrtence we produce 3 summaries video clips (and one more
> after that)
> Until now the videos on our YouTube channel had been watched more than
> 16,000 times and our Flickr stream, who have 1,425 photos been seen more
> than 83,000 times!
>
>
> Thanks everyone for the great opportunity to have this conference in Haifa,
> and good luck to the great guys in D.C next year!
>
>
> Itzik
> Wikimania 2011 local team
> (probably the last time i'm going to use this title...)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

[emijrp]

Hi;

Yes, please, go global.

We can use the sitenotice (only for registered users) to ask for help in
every country. Or only those countries with a chapter are allowed?

Regards,
emijrp

2011/12/18 Tomasz Kozłowski 

> Hello everyone,
>
> As you may have heard, a little while ago some organizers of Wiki Loves
> Monuments 2011 came together in a rainy and cold Amsterdam to evaluate
> the 2011 edition, and kick off documentation for 2012. We would like to
> share some of the results of our meeting with you.
>
> The first and most important information is:
> * There is going to be a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 -- and if there is
> interest, we are going global!
>
> We would like to get a feeling of in how many countries there would be
> people potentially interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments
> nationally; but firstly, let us start with the basics.
>
> Wiki Loves Monuments is a photo contest organized in 2010 and 2011 in,
> respectively, the Netherlands and in Europe. The contest asks the
> general audience to upload pictures of monumental/historical sites and
> buildings during September. It has a federal structure and is organised
> separately in every participating country by the local people who know
> how things work in their area; best photos from all countries are
> nominated for an international contest.
>
> In 2011 this contest was very successful, with more than 165.000 photos
> of monuments in 18 participating countries submitted in total. This was
> possible thanks to the hard work of hundreds of volunteers in those
> countries who helped organise Wiki Loves Monuments in one way or
> another. The winning pictures have been published on
> <http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu> and on Wikimedia Commons:
> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_winners>.
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> opportunity to reach some of our important goals: we had a participation
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> contribution peak on Wikimedia Commons
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Re: [Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia

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2011/12/14 Jay Walsh 

>  We encourage everyone to broadly share this information among our
> volunteer
> community, throughout your networks, and wherever an audience passionate
> about protecting the free and open web can be found.
>

Hi all again;

Another example of Wikipedia relativism, after the WikiLeaks one. Do you
remember the Egypt Internet blackout?

USA bills are protest worthy, Internet blackouts in other countries are
statistical case studies.[1]

Cheers from Egypt[2]. You really know when and how to protect Internet
liberties. You are heroes.

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://infodisiac.com/blog/2011/01/egypt-internet-switched-off/
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iboFV-yeTE
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Re: [Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia

[emijrp]

Hi all;

Looks like Wikimedia Foundation is very worried about censorship and the
cut off of fundraising payment processors. Now.

What did WMF do when WikiLeaks domains were seized and its fundraising
payment processors (PayPal, Visa, MasterCard) were cut off? Did WMF protest
against Internet censorship? No.

WMF did nothing. Well, Wikipedia community wrote this disclaimer "WikiLeaks
is not affiliated with Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation"[1] on the
top, and turned a blind eye.

Now it is your turn. Enjoy.

Regards,
emijrp

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks

2011/12/14 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 

> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Jay Walsh  wrote:
> > Today the Wikimedia Foundation posted an important update on how the Stop
> > Online Piracy Act (SOPA) legislation being considered in DC this week
> > threatens an open and free web, and particularly how it threatens
> Wikipedia.
> >
> > The post is authored by WMF's General Counsel, Geoff Brigham, and can be
> > found here:
> >
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/13/how-sopa-will-hurt-the-free-web-and-wikipedia/
> >
>
> "Under the new bill, there is one significant improvement.  The new
> version exempts U.S. based companies – including the Wikimedia
> Foundation – from being subject to a litigation regime in which rights
> owners could claim that our site was an “Internet site dedicated to
> theft of U.S. property.”  Such a damnation against Wikimedia could
> have easily resulted in demands to cut off our fundraising payment
> processors.   The new version now exempts U.S. sites like ours."
>
> I am genuinely not anti-american. The logic here does escape me though.
>
> --
> --
> Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
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Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?

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ANDDD HERE WE GO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Request_for_Comment:_SOPA_and_a_strike

2011/10/27 Domas Mituzas 

> Hi!
>
> we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to
> protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia?
>
>
> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Gendergap] Fundraising is for men

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2011/12/1 Carol Moore 

> On 11/29/2011 5:19 PM, emijrp wrote:
> >
> >
> > So, the first step would be to try and figure out if women are
> > visiting the site and not editing or just not visiting at all, before
> > saying nonsense about sexism and Wikipedia community.
>
> Fundraising from women is an interesting topic. You may think comments
> about sexism and the Wikipedia community are nonsense, but guess what.
> Women who take a lot of sexist nonsense AT wikipedia sure aren't going
> to donate TO wikipedia, are they?
>
> Also, since women in general are busier with work AND family
> responsibilities, so often the women who have the most time to edit are
> unemployed, disabled, retired or otherwise on limited incomes.
>

[citation needed]

Furthermore, editing Wikipedia only requires 30 minutes a day/week. I'm
sure all women waste more time watching TV. But watching TV is funnier for
most the people.

In the other hand, looks like women in all ages have time to waste in
Facebook
http://www.kenburbary.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Image1_thumb3.png And
gender balance is fifty-fifty.

Finally, if the reason for the low female editors proportion is time, how
can Wikipedia solve that? Are we going to pay to female editors for their
time?


> I can
> think of a few.  Besides a ten spot here and a ten spot there, we can't
> give large amounts of money.
>
But there are women with big bucks out
> there giving lots to women-friendly organizations left and right. We
> must make Wikipedia women friendly to get their money.
>

You are wrong. To see donation banners and to donate only reading is
required, not editing. Are you going to say that only poor women read
Wikipedia?

By they way, making Wikipedia women friendly? What does that mean? Is that
a new politically correct science?

Better, make Wikipedia friendly to disabled people, the great forgotten
excluded people group. For example, blind people can't sign up because of
Wikipedia captcha (there is no sound captcha
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4845). That is a real
barrier which Wikimedia Foundation have to solve putting resources.

Where is the accessibility mailing list? Accessibility is a recommendation
by W3C since 1997, and we are in the top ten websites, as WMF likes to
boast.


> Anyway, putting down one of the main concerns of this list as nonsense
> is not helpful.
>

Sure. For your information, this mailing list is a insult to the real
excluded people.


>
> Thanks.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraising is for men

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2011/11/29 Thomas Dalton 

> On 29 November 2011 21:51, emijrp  wrote:
> > Dear all;
> >
> > We have heard many times that most Wikipedians are male, but have you
> heard
> > about gender and fundraising? Some data from a 2010 study[1] and a 2011
> > German study[2] (question 20th of 22). People have said that Wikipedia
> is a
> > sexist place which excludes women to edit. Looks like women neither are
> > interested on editing nor funding free knowledge.
> >
> > Is WMF working to increase female donors just like female editors?
>
> I think the first step would be to try and figure out if women are
> visiting the site and not donating or just not visiting at all.
>
>
So, the first step would be to try and figure out if women are visiting the
site and not editing or just not visiting at all, before saying nonsense
about sexism and Wikipedia community.


> You would also want to make sure there really is a significant
> imbalance and that it's not just that men are more likely to fill out
> the survey form.
>
>
That affects to all surveys, again.

Looks like people only care about surveys which say what they want to read.


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[Foundation-l] Fundraising is for men

[emijrp]

Dear all;

We have heard many times that most Wikipedians are male, but have you heard
about gender and fundraising? Some data from a 2010 study[1] and a 2011
German study[2] (question 20th of 22). People have said that Wikipedia is a
sexist place which excludes women to edit. Looks like women neither are
interested on editing nor funding free knowledge.

Is WMF working to increase female donors just like female editors?

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2010FR_Donor_survey_report.pdf
[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Detailed_results.pdf
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[Foundation-l] Google Knol is closing

[emijrp]

Dear all;

Knol, the Google project described as a rival to Wikipedia, is closing on
April 2012. There are many links to Knol from Wikipedia[3] and some of them
are free. Lot of content will be lost.

People interested on saving Knol content can join to Archive Team[4] on
#archiveteam channel on Efnet.

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://knol.google.com/k
[2]
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/more-spring-cleaning-out-of-season.html
[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinkSearch&target=http%3A%2F%2Fknol.google.com
[4] http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Knol
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Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?

[emijrp]

Additional reasons to shut down English Wikipedia as protest ASAP
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-cuts-funding-for-unesco-after-palestinian-vote-1.392996

2011/10/27 Domas Mituzas 

> Hi!
>
> we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to
> protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia?
>
>
> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?

[emijrp]

Obvious sarcasm is obvious. But people think you are serious.

I'm not sure who is more dangerous, stupid politicians speaking about
closing sites or stupid wikipedians closing Wikipedia sites when politicians
speak about closing sites.

Damn.

2011/10/27 Domas Mituzas 

> Hi!
>
> we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest
> IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia?
>
>
> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-%E2%80%93-and-it%E2%80%99s-worse-ever
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] New Version of PROTECT IP Bill May Target Legal Sites

[emijrp]

Or in a micronation, in international waters, or into orbit.[1]

[1]
http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-parties-plan-to-shoot-torrent-site-into-orbit-101020/

2011/10/26 Etienne Beaule 

> Or Canada, as proposed for april fools!
>
>
> On 11-10-26 4:16 PM, "Yaroslav M. Blanter"  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:02:19 +0200, Milos Rancic 
> > wrote:
> >> If so, goodbye wiki, as well. At least in US.
> >>
> >>
> >
> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/10/26/0451240/new-version-of-protect-ip-bill-
> > may-target-legal-sites
> >>
> >
> > Well, the servers still could be moved to Europe.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Yaroslav
> >
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[Foundation-l] Europeana and public domain

[emijrp]

Dear all;

Looks like we have a big ally in the digitisation of public domain content
issue[1]:

"The Europeana Foundation has published a policy statement, the Public
Domain Charter, to highlight the value of public domain content in the
knowledge economy. It alerts Europe's museums, libraries, archives and
audiovisual collections to the fact that digitisation of Public Domain
content does not create new rights in it."

Are European Wikimedia chapters working on this with Europeana?

Oh, surprise! Not an European museum but The Israel Museum (remember the
Dead Sea Scroll digitisaton?[2]) is a project partner.[3]

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://www.version1.europeana.eu/web/europeana-project/publications
[2]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/068980.html
[3] http://www.version1.europeana.eu/web/europeana-project/project-partners
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Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?

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So, the law was finally rejected or it was not voted yet?

2011/10/6 Chris Keating 

> >
> > Not so easy. Yesterday an amendment has been officially proposed, not
> > approved. It will be discussed into the parliament camera, then into the
> > parliament senate. Only if both will accept it without modifications
> it'll
> > be valid.
> >
> > Also, the government may ask for trust at the parliament about this law,
> > and
> > in the case it will be approved in its original form, without amendments.
> >
> > Maybe your countries are more slender, but in Itlay we are very very
> > burocratics.
> >
> > That's simply a step, not the goal
>
>
> I agree with this.
>
> It's very easy for politicians to say "Yes, we've heard what you have said
> and your views are very important to us. We'll definitely think very hard
> about taking your views into account." - and then completely ignore you.
>
> Don't trust them :-)
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

[emijrp]

So, we are going to have virtually two cloned German Wikipedias, one with
image filter extension enabled and other disabled. Not very useful, but it
is your choice.

I hope you enable the Semantic MediaWiki extension in the new fork.

Good luck.

2011/10/22 Dirk Franke 

> Dear Mailinglists,
>
> the cultural homogenous group of Germans tends to discuss in German. So to
> give you a short update on what is happening:
>
> A White Bag protest movement against the image filter is forming.
>
> And people who talked privately about a fork for some time, start to think
> and say it loud.
>
> In longer:
>
> http://www.iberty.net/2011/10/news-from-german-wikipedia-white-bag.html
>
> regards,
>
> Dirk Franke/Southpark
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Re: [Foundation-l] all images on/off function

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The image hide feature is useful, but the same feature to hide tables would
be great. In mobile mode, infobox tables fill the whole screen width and you
have to scroll a lot to read the article, which in my case, is what I want
to see.

2011/9/13 Liam Wyatt 

> One of the side points about the recent image filter survey* was a
> discussion of the idea of a "switch" for readers to turn ALL multimedia off
> - primarily to reduce the bandwidth required to load a page if you want to.
> Then, by chance, I was reading a WP article on my phone this weekend and
> noted that there is now a link at the bottom of the mobile gateway
> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/ that says "Disable images on mobile
> site<
> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&useformat=mobile&disableImages=1
> >"
> (and the inverse, "enable images on the mobile site", is shown if you click
> it).
>
> Is that a new feature or was it always there and I just didn't notice it?
> If it's a new feature, was it enabled as a result these recent discussions
> or was it just by chance?
> Is there any stats (or plans to collect stats) on how many people chose
> this
> option and what kind of mobile device they are browsing from?
>
>  Since the "disable images" function is already working, would it be useful
> to trial a subtle link to that function on the normal (non-mobile) site for
> a couple of weeks? Place it right down the bottom next to the tiny "privacy
> policy, about, disclaimers, mobile view" links? This would not be intrusive
> and we could see, through this most-subtle of links, whether anyone takes
> us
> up on the offer. If we find that more people click on the feature than
> expected then that would potentially justify making the feature more
> prominent (either in the toolbox, integrated into the "filter" software, as
> a user-preference etc.)?
>
> Just a suggestion.
>
> -Liam
>
> * Yes, it was a survey not a referendum. A referendum is where, according
> to
> our favourite website "...an entire electorate is asked to either accept or
> reject a particular proposal." Personally I'm generally in favour of the
> proposed personal image-hiding concept but please let's stop calling it a
> referendum.
>
> wittylama.com/blog
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Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

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2011/10/5 Michael Snow 

> On 10/5/2011 9:45 AM, emijrp wrote:
> > 2011/10/5 Michael Snow
> >> On 10/5/2011 7:03 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote:
> >>> Editor strike means not editing, it doesn't mean full service downtime.
> >> When labor unions go on strike, they do more than not show up for work.
> >> They form picket lines and take other actions designed to obstruct
> >> activity so that company operations cannot proceed. Taken to its logical
> >> conclusion, if the Italian Wikipedia community collectively wants to go
> >> on strike, then what they have done is apply the full range of tools to
> >> carry that out.
> > Looks like you forget that as exists a right to strike, there is a right
> to
> > work. Italian Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
> > Yesterday, today? Sure.
> If there was a part of the Italian Wikipedia community insisting on
> preserving the ability to edit, this might be more relevant. But since
> the protest has started, the only voices I've seen speaking against the
> protest have been from outside that community. That seems to me like a
> persuasive indication about the level of consensus behind this decision.
>

It is not consensus, it is just a small number of users kidnapping the
content generated by a much bigger and fuzzy community.

The right to edit and the right to access to knowledge have been killed in
Italian Wikipedia.

They have done more harm than any China blockage or any stupid law.
Wikimedia projects are not secure to archive and spread knowledge anymore.


> Questions about crossing picket lines and the right to work are
> interesting theoretical problems when using this analogy, but they
> aren't presenting themselves under the current circumstances.
>
> --Michael Snow
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Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

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2011/10/5 Michael Snow 

> On 10/5/2011 7:03 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote:
> >> The only thing we truly could do is restore read access. But if the
> >> it.wikipedia community really wants to strike, there's very little we
> >> can do to stop them. :)
> > I sure agree with that. There're plenty of ways to inflict pain without
> terminating the service entirely.
> > Editor strike means not editing, it doesn't mean full service downtime.
> When labor unions go on strike, they do more than not show up for work.
> They form picket lines and take other actions designed to obstruct
> activity so that company operations cannot proceed. Taken to its logical
> conclusion, if the Italian Wikipedia community collectively wants to go
> on strike, then what they have done is apply the full range of tools to
> carry that out.
>

Looks like you forget that as exists a right to strike, there is a right to
work. Italian Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
Yesterday, today? Sure.


> > How do we deal with an editor who starts deleting his contributions out
> of spite?
> In contrast to strike actions, in those countries that recognize the
> right to organize collectively, sabotage and destruction are generally
> considered illegal and beyond the pale of acceptable behavior. Certainly
> we should not support anyone in the Italian community who thought it was
> a good idea to vandalize or delete portions of the encyclopedia as part
> of their protest.


Oh yeah, just like worst actions exist (vandalism) we have to respect
medium-bad (?) ones (blanking the entire site).


> But I don't think someone acting out of spite is a
> good comparison, since it seems pretty clear that this action is not
> being taken out of spite. I am happy to keep my trust in the Italian
> Wikipedia community, that it is in the best position to judge whether
> this protest is needed, what measures are appropriate to the situation,
> and how long to carry on with it.
>
> --Michael Snow
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Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

[emijrp]

When people reuse content in other websites/blogs/etc, they have to copy the
article text and link to Italian Wikipedia where you can check the entire
history and authors. That is how attribution is given. It is explained here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content

Now, most of all the attributions to Italian Wikipedia contents on the
Internet are broken.

2011/10/5 Huib Laurens 

> There is no content now, so there is no violation... You need to show the
> content before you can violate anything.
>
> I was responding on your part about giving the right to mirror, there is no
> need for that cuz its already there. We even provide dumps for mirrors so
> they can easy import a wikipedia version.
>
> Best,
>
> Huib
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Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

[emijrp]

Of course. I'm not speaking about the right to mirror, but the need of
mirrors.

By the way, our free licenses also need to show the text authors. Thousand
people re-use the contents and link to the Wikipedia page. As far as I know,
no history is available now at Italian Wikipedia to look up. CC-BY-SA/GFDL
violation?

2011/10/5 Huib Laurens 

> 
> Therefore, each encyclopedia article and each course should explicitly
> grant
> irrevocable permission for anyone to make verbatim copies available on
> mirror sites. This permission should be one of the basic stated principles
> of the free encyclopedia.
>
> 
>
> That is already done with our free licensing...
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Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

[emijrp]

A good moment to remember this.

*Permit mirror sites.*

When information is available on the web only at one site, its availability
is vulnerable. A local problem—a computer crash, an earthquake or flood, a
budget cut, a change in policy of the school administration—could cut off
access for everyone forever. To guard against loss of the encyclopedia's
material, we should make sure that every piece of the encyclopedia is
available from many sites on the Internet, and that new copies can be put up
if some disappear.

There is no need to set up an organization or a bureaucracy to do this,
because Internet users like to set up “mirror sites” which hold duplicate
copies of interesting web pages. What we must do in advance is ensure that
this is legally permitted.

Therefore, each encyclopedia article and each course should explicitly grant
irrevocable permission for anyone to make verbatim copies available on
mirror sites. This permission should be one of the basic stated principles
of the free encyclopedia.

Some day there may be systematic efforts to ensure that each article and
course is replicated in many copies—perhaps at least once on each of the six
inhabited continents. This would be a natural extension of the mission of
archiving that libraries undertake today. But it would be premature to make
formal plans for this now. It is sufficient for now to resolve to make sure
people have permission to do this mirroring when they get around to it.
 —Richard M. Stallman , The
Free Universal Encyclopedia and Learning
Resource



2011/10/5 Jay Walsh 

> Hi folks - apologies for starting a new thread on this topic...
>
> We've just posted a short blog post on the topic of the unfolding issues
> around Italian Wikipedia
>
>
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/04/regarding-recent-events-on-italian-wikipedia/
>
> We've had a few calls to WMF - not many, and we've responded with the basic
> messages in this post.
>
> Thanks,
> jay
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Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

[emijrp]

"The Wikimedia Foundation supports the rights of all people to access our
free knowledge content everywhere in the world"

The Wikimedia Foundation supports a damn.

Now, all Wikipedias know that it is allowed to blank the entire site when
community doesn't like things. For example, the image filter.

2011/10/5 Jay Walsh 

> Hi folks - apologies for starting a new thread on this topic...
>
> We've just posted a short blog post on the topic of the unfolding issues
> around Italian Wikipedia
>
>
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/04/regarding-recent-events-on-italian-wikipedia/
>
> We've had a few calls to WMF - not many, and we've responded with the basic
> messages in this post.
>
> Thanks,
> jay
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

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You heard about consensus and anti-censorship actions: all is allowed with
community polls as seen in Italian Wikipedia yesterday.

German Wikipedia, go ahead and blank your wiki is WMF try to force the image
filtering on you. The same for other Wikipedias that don't agree with the
filter. Enjoy the Italian precedent support, WMF.

2011/10/5 Aaron Adrignola 

> I'm sure those on this list are familiar with the de.wikipedia poll on the
> proposed image filter with its strong outcome on a particular side of the
> debate.  I am quite concerned about the precedent that it.wikipedia is
> being
> allowed to set.  Should I expect that de.wikipedia would be allowed to
> stage
> a similar "blackout" should the image filter be implemented against their
> wishes, with the goal of protesting perceived or potential censorship?
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[Foundation-l] Blanking a Wikipedia, a very bad idea

[emijrp]

Hi all;

The events regarding Italian Wikipedia blanking[1][2] of all its content are
a serious precedent IMHO. They can make a lot of noise using other
procedures, like a big blinking site notice, but giving no choice to read
the content is against the main goal of Wikipedia.[3]

Italian Wikipedia has about 500,000 page views per hour,[4] and readers are
getting worried about how long is this going to last. A global encyclopedia
managed in these ways is not trustworthy. This is worst in public image than
any gender, global south or image filtering media flame war.

Furthermore, this only make me more concerned about the missing updated,
secure and trustworthy mirrors of Wikipedia content.

Fortunately, you still can read the mobile version, but it is "limited".[5]
(Please, spread the word about this)

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://it.wikipedia.org
[2] http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Comunicato_4_ottobre_2011
[3] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Vision
[4] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/Sitemap.htm
[5] http://it.m.wikipedia.org/
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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[emijrp]

I was not aggresive, but "sarcastic".

But obviously, there are reasons for being furious.

2011/10/1 KIZU Naoko 

> Claiming copyright for religious works in use works also defense for
> possible alteration the original publisher or editor may regard as
> heretical. The similar happens in academia too. I know a certain
> online text database based on a scanned PD works, but the publisher (a
> certain academic society) denied even to put online publicly, they
> claimed "otherwise the data would be erroneously changed, we'll send a
> set of disks upon request for free, so everyone who needs can get the
> data. It's the best way for our interest to keep the criticized text
> in an appropriate level, avoid any corruption." There' a lot of this
> kind anecdotes, I guess?
>
> Be relaxed, you have not to be so hostile, Emijrp. While we don't
> agree with them in this point (firmly), we can still be polite and
> they wouldn't disagree we share an ultimate goal to let the world
> share the knowledge. As Liam suggested. On the other hand we should
> understand they have their own revenue system - their own ecosystem
> which has been built perhaps for centuries, so that we should have
> them understand we don't want them to survive by exploring free access
> and rather we would like them to cooperate and cohabit.
>
> It'll sure take a time, but I hope we go forward our mission without
> being unnecessarily aggressive.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:42 PM, John Vandenberg  wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Chris Keating
> >  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Finally, the Dead Sea Scrolls[1] have copyright[2]. Courtesy of The
> Israel
> >>> Museum. Congratulations.
> >>
> >>
> >> If the Dead Sea Scrolls were divinely inspired, like other Biblical
> texts,
> >> then there is an argument that the author is still alive ;-)
> >>
> >> (c) God, 2011
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Are there any jurisdictions where a religious texts have been refused
> > a copyright for reason of being divine?
> >
> > There are a few legal cases about copyright of religious texts where
> > the copyright has been given to the 'medium' / 'channeler'.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_on_religious_works
> >
> > And there is the crown hold copyright on KJV, in perpetuity.
>
> As commentary, I'd like to add they put the Book of Common Prayer
> under the crown hold copyright too, but also they haven't done so on
> drafts, so that ongoing drat of BCP has been freely circulated and
> could be discussed.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Berlios.de is shutting down

[emijrp]

This is work for ARCHIVE TEAM http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=BerliOS

2011/9/30 David Gerard 

> http://www.berlios.de/
>
> Is there anything we could do to help? Is this too far outside our area?
>
> I recall how useful and helpful BerliOS was back in the olden days
> when it was Wikipedia's downtime backup and news source ... before
> Wikipedia going down knocked over BerliOS too.
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[emijrp]

Looks like you don't know the meaning of "common" word.

I also know how to paste cool links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_and_copyright_issues

2011/9/27 Anthony 

> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 6:57 PM, emijrp  wrote:
> > OMG ISRAEL IS OUT OF USA? REALLY?
> >
> > Come on. The point here is that originality is a common requirement for
> > claiming copyright.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_of_the_brow
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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

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OMG ISRAEL IS OUT OF USA? REALLY?

Come on. The point here is that originality is a common requirement for
claiming copyright.

2011/9/27 Anthony 

> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Ray Saintonge 
> wrote:
> > On 09/26/11 12:27 PM, emijrp wrote:
> >> If originals don't have copyright, how can The Israel Museum claim any
> >> copyright for scans which lack originality?[1]
> >>
> >> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_Corp.
> >
> > The cited case is a US case, and not necessarily binding in other
> countries.
>
> It's not even binding on other districts within the US.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

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If originals don't have copyright, how can The Israel Museum claim any
copyright for scans which lack originality?[1]

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_Corp.

2011/9/26 Neil Babbage 

> The digital copies of the Dead Sea Scrolls have copyright, not the
> originals...
>
> On 26/09/2011 19:58, emijrp wrote:
> > Hi all;
> >
> > Finally, the Dead Sea Scrolls[1] have copyright[2]. Courtesy of The
> Israel
> > Museum. Congratulations.
> >
> > By they way: Hi Wikimedia Israel.
> >
> > Regards,
> > emijrp
> >
> > [1] http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/
> > [2] http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/terms_pg
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[Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[emijrp]

Hi all;

Finally, the Dead Sea Scrolls[1] have copyright[2]. Courtesy of The Israel
Museum. Congratulations.

By they way: Hi Wikimedia Israel.

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/
[2] http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/terms_pg
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Re: [Foundation-l] There is a deadline

[emijrp]

Thanks for your kind words and fixes : )

2011/9/22 Delphine Ménard 

> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:43 PM, emijrp  wrote:
> > Hi all;
> >
> > I have written an essay (my first one)[1] about the idea "There is a
> > deadline". It is opposite to the old essay (from 2006) which holds that
> > there is no deadline.
> >
> > I hope my redaction is good enough to explain my opinion about this
> topic.
> > Please, if you find errors, fix them, I'm not very fluent in English.
> > Thanks.
>
> Nice, thanks for it and kuddos for spotting this contradiction with
> WP:DEADLINE :).
> I added the collapse of the Köln Archiv to show that it's not just
> war, revolution or natural catastrophe...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Delphine
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[Foundation-l] There is a deadline

[emijrp]

Hi all;

I have written an essay (my first one)[1] about the idea "There is a
deadline". It is opposite to the old essay (from 2006) which holds that
there is no deadline.

I hope my redaction is good enough to explain my opinion about this topic.
Please, if you find errors, fix them, I'm not very fluent in English.
Thanks.

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:There_is_a_deadline
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Re: [Foundation-l] Internet Archive: Volunteer - Help us get 200, 000 books on Sunday!

[emijrp]

I'm not subscribed there. Please, forward the message.

2011/9/21 Steven Walling 

> On Sep 21, 2011 12:52 AM, "emijrp"  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all;
> >
> > Who lives in San Francisco? Who works there (WMF staff ; )) ?
> >
> > This may be a good choice to get involved with Internet Archive.
> >
> >
>
> http://blog.archive.org/2011/09/20/volunteer-help-us-get-20-books-on-sunday/
> >
> > Regards,
> > emijrp
>
> There's actually an SF Bay Area mailing at
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
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> Thanks for the heads up!
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Re: [Foundation-l] Three short films about Wikipedia

[emijrp]

Hey Lennart, they are great videos!

Please, create a wikipage on meta:, and I will add the Spanish translation.

Regards,
emijrp

2011/9/21 Lennart Guldbrandsson 

> Hello,
>
> (Sorry for cross-posting this.)
>
> In just two days, Wikimedia Sverige is once again going to participate at
> the Gothenburg Book Fair, which is the second largest book fair in Europe.
> Around 100 000 people come there every year from almost all of our target
> groups.
>
> This year, we have prepared three short films about why the visitors should
> contribute to Wikipedia (roughly a minute each) that we will show
> continuously over the four days of the fair. But before we show them for
> the
> public, I'd like to show them to you.
>
> Keep in mind that they are meant to be shown at a busy fair. That's why we
> have no sound, including no dialogue. (I.e. we didn't foul up when
> uploading
> them to YouTube). We only have a short sign at the end of the film with
> sort
> of a theme stated. Since we will be there to take questions, we didn't feel
> that we needed more than that.
>
> And now, here are the links:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtUJCeWNzw8 (the librarian) (the sign at
> the
> end says: "When you look up a fact, enter it into Wikipedia as well. Next
> time, it will be you that saves time.")
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-voNMspnU4g (the teacher) ("Wikipedia can
> be
> a good tool for teaching source criticism and how information is created.
> Learn more about how Wikipedia works.")
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ovfukCZts (the senior citizen) ("Share
> what
> you know. Wikipedia is read by hundreds of thousands of people every day.
> Maybe by your grandchild too.")
>
> The films are licensed cc-by-sa, and will be uploaded shortly to Wikimedia
> Commons, both as they are now, and with soft music.
>
> Here is the good news: If you want a version in your language, just send us
> what the sign at the end should say and we'll make it for you! Please have
> at least two people proof-read it before you send it to us, to avoid
> mistakes, since we probably won't be able to determine if you've made any
> errors.
>
> If you want more films like this, holler and we may make them. We have a
> good team here, and can make these films pretty cheaply and quickly.
>
> Any comments are welcome!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart
>
>
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

[emijrp]

Hi all;

Just like the scripts to preserve wikis[1], I'm working in a new script to
download all Wikimedia Commons images packed by day. But I have limited
spare time. Sad that volunteers have to do this without any help from
Wikimedia Foundation.

I started too an effort in meta: (with low activity) to mirror XML dumps.[2]
If you know about universities or research groups which works with
Wiki[pm]edia XML dumps, they would be a possible successful target to mirror
them.

If you want to download the texts into your PC, you only need 100GB free and
to run this Python script.[3]

I heard that Internet Archive saves XML dumps quarterly or so, but no
official announcement. Also, I heard about Library of Congress wanting to
mirror the dumps, but not news since a long time.

L'Encyclopédie has an "uptime"[4] of 260 years[5] and growing. Will
Wiki[pm]edia projects reach that?

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/
[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps
[3]
http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/source/browse/trunk/wikipediadownloader.py
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptime
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A9die


2011/6/2 Fae 

> Hi,
>
> I'm taking part in an images discussion workshop with a number of
> academics tomorrow and could do with a statement about the WMF's long
> term commitment to supporting Wikimedia Commons (and other projects)
> in terms of the public availability of media. Is there an official
> published policy I can point to that includes, say, a 10 year or 100
> commitment?
>
> If it exists, this would be a key factor for researchers choosing
> where to share their images with the public.
>
> Thanks,
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[Foundation-l] Internet Archive: Volunteer - Help us get 200, 000 books on Sunday!

[emijrp]

Hi all;

Who lives in San Francisco? Who works there (WMF staff ; )) ?

This may be a good choice to get involved with Internet Archive.

http://blog.archive.org/2011/09/20/volunteer-help-us-get-20-books-on-sunday/

Regards,
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Re: [Foundation-l] robots.txt and archive.org

[emijrp]

Hi;

Oldids are not sorted by date, so, the first edits may have big oldids.
Which Wikipedias do you want to explore? You can use the dumps or Toolserver
databases to sort revisions by date and extract the oldest ones. I guess
that Wikipedias created in 2002-2004, preserve the full history (unless
removed pages, but the first edits use to be in the Main Page). English
Wikipedia "lost" some of the first edits during the upgrading in the first
MediaWiki versions, but they were later found by Tim Starling in a very old
backup.

Regards,
emijrp

2011/9/18 Milos Rancic 

> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:44, Daniel ~ Leinad 
> wrote:
> > Hmmm... a few days ago we didn't have any problems to retrieve history
> > (2001-2011) of Main Pages of Polish Wikipedia:
> >
> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150309409533189.363981.147056473188
> > - similar should be with other versions :>
>
> It is possible to:
> * Retrieve time history of the very early Wikipedia (~2001), as there
> were no robots.txt.
> * Retrieve snapshot of a page when Internet Archive made it.
>
> It is not possible to click on "history" of the page and find the
> first version of the page, as it's forbidden by robots.txt.
>
> That's important for the sites created in period 2002-2004, as
> Internet Archive has snapshots, while we don't have versions
> (.../index.php?oldid=1 doesn't work for those sites or if it works,
> timestamp is broken (doesn't exist)).
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Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)

[emijrp]

Hi;

Perhaps, you may want to help me compiling information about this topic and
improving the estimate.[1]

There is a false sensation about Wikipedia being almost complete. In the
other hand, projects like WikiSource are in their infance, for example,
Internet Archive hosts about 3 million public domain books,[2] how many of
them are available at WikiSource?

This project compile images for every square kilometre in Britain.[3] We can
use this idea for Commons, and take thousands of millions of photos of all
the world. : )

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge
[2] http://www.archive.org/details/texts
[3] http://www.geograph.org.uk/

2011/9/16 Robert Rohde 

> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, emijrp  wrote:
> > I think that the phrase meaning refered to Wikipedia is "the sum of all
> > human knowledge which is notable and encyclopedic".
> >
> > Not ALL, ALL, ALL human knowledge. MySpace discarded.
>
> When you look back to when that quote was issued (at least 2004), I
> think I tend to see it as broader and more aspirational.  Wikipedia
> was already the biggest project, but we still imagined ourselves
> making a statement with Wikinews and Wiktionary and everything else.
> Back in the day, I can certainly imagine Wikimedia wanting to
> encompass all forms of human knowledge, including projects going far
> beyond the confines of what we now see as notable and encyclopedic.
> We have retreated from that quite a lot.  Even within Wikipedia our
> notions of what was acceptable and what was not were far more fluid.
>
> The projects have accomplished an incredible amount, and we should all
> be very proud and amazed at what we have done.  However, I do think we
> have lost some of that early dream.  Back in the day, it was easy to
> imagine that we would eventually encompass all human knowledge, and
> now we tend to draw our goals more narrowly.  In part, I think our
> perceptions of that famous quote have been evolving alongside our
> perceptions of what Wikimedia and Wikipedia have become.
>
> -Robert Rohde
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Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)

[emijrp]

I think that the phrase meaning refered to Wikipedia is "the sum of all
human knowledge which is notable and encyclopedic".

Not ALL, ALL, ALL human knowledge. MySpace discarded.

2011/9/16 Ziko van Dijk 

> Hello,
>
> Today I read on a WMDE driven website:
>
> "»Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der das gesamte Wissen der
> Menschheit jedem frei zugänglich ist. Das ist unser Ziel.«
> Jimmy Wales"
>
> (Imagine a world in which the entire knowledge of mankind is freely
> accessible to everyone. That is our goal.)
>
> I never read that in English. Jimmy Wales actually said: "... the sum
> of all human knowledge".
>
> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales
>
> And I think that there is a huge difference between "the sum of
> all..." and "all...". By the way, the traditional encyclopedias
> described themselves by "the sum of all..."
>
> But a number of Wikimedia national organizations seem to have
> difficulties with Jimmy's phrase. They 'translate' it to "all..." I
> did not succeed, for example, in explaining to my own national
> organization why it is wrong what we have on our business cards.
>
> Am I the only one seeing a problem here?
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

[emijrp]

Again, who are "we"? And why do German laws matter with USA servers? Why
does only German Wikipedia exclude that images? Are English Wikipedia or
Commons blocked in Germany?

By the way, not all German Wikipedians/readers are under German laws.

And I don't remember any Wikipedia removing content to respect Chinese local
laws when Wikipedia was blocked there.

2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte 

> Very simple: There is the Schutzlandprinzip. [1] To bad that EN has no
> article for it. But you can read the following articles to understand
> why this example was stupid, and that we bound to this laws, even if the
> servers are at nirvana:
> *
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works
> *
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_Trade-Related_Aspects_of_Intellectual_Property_Rights
> *
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Organization_Copyright_Treaty
> *
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Industrial_Property
>
> [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzlandprinzip
>
> Am 16.09.2011 13:01, schrieb Strainu:
> > Not really, no. What does german law have to do with reading or
> > editing some website in Tampa or Virginia from somewhere in Asia? I
> > can understand that german nationals cannot use that image, but
> > whatabout other germen speakers?
> >
> > Strainu
> >
> > 2011/9/16 Liesel:
> >> Your stupid!
> >>
> >> Am 16.09.2011 12:39, schrieb emijrp:
> >>> Hi all;
> >>>
> >>> There are more issues with images in German Wikipedia.
> >>>
> >>> It is funny how German Wikipedia doesn't allow images[1] (image added
> by
> >>> me[2] in de:, and later removed by other[3]) because they follow the
> most
> >>> restrictive copyright law from Germany, Austria and Switzerland[note
> 1], but
> >>> they are now against giving people the choice to hide images.
> >>>
> >>> I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in
> >>> German Wikipedia for all those who don't want to see
> >>> copyrighted-images-for-German-law, meanwhile allowing other people to
> see
> >>> all Commons splendour. Using the image filter to improve the rights of
> >>> readers of German Wikipedia. Very cool, right? ; )
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> emijrp
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>>
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bildrechte#Wikipedia_richtet_sich_nach_DACH-Recht
> >>> [2]
> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Knox&oldid=81377280
> >>> [3] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Knox
> >>>
> >>> [note 1] I heard there are German speaking users outside Europe, right?
> I
> >>> heard too that, from Germany, you can follow interwiki and see that
> images
> >>> in other Wikipedias, right? So, what is the sense of that policy? Are
> not
> >>> the servers in USA?
> >>>
> >>> 2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte
> >>>
> >>>> Dear readers
> >>>>
> >>>> Yesterday, on September 15th 2011, the German Wikipedia closed the
> poll
> >>>> (Meinungsbild) "Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter". [1] It asked the
> >>>> question if the personal image filter can be introduced or if it
> should
> >>>> not be introduced.
> >>>>
> >>>> A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image
> >>>> filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to
> >>>> introduce the feature.
> >>>>
> >>>> The questions are:
> >>>> * Will the board or the WMF proceed with the introduction of the
> >>>> personal image filter against the will of it's second largest
> community?
> >>>> * If the WMF/board does not care about the first question. Will it
> >>>> affect the way the personal image filter will be implemented? For
> >>>> example: Not for all projects. A different implementation as suggested
> >>>> inside the "image filter referendum".
> >>>> * Will there be an attempt to follow this example and to question
> other
> >>>> communities the same question?
> >>>>
> >>>> Greetings from
> >>>> Tobias Oelgarte
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> h

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

[emijrp]

2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte 

> That is an legal issue. We do that to comply with the law, since that
> image isn't in public domain under German jurisdiction.
>

Who is "we"? And, why does German jurisdiction matter here?
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Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

[emijrp]

Hi all;

There are more issues with images in German Wikipedia.

It is funny how German Wikipedia doesn't allow images[1] (image added by
me[2] in de:, and later removed by other[3]) because they follow the most
restrictive copyright law from Germany, Austria and Switzerland[note 1], but
they are now against giving people the choice to hide images.

I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in
German Wikipedia for all those who don't want to see
copyrighted-images-for-German-law, meanwhile allowing other people to see
all Commons splendour. Using the image filter to improve the rights of
readers of German Wikipedia. Very cool, right? ; )

Regards,
emijrp

[1]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bildrechte#Wikipedia_richtet_sich_nach_DACH-Recht
[2] http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Knox&oldid=81377280
[3] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Knox

[note 1] I heard there are German speaking users outside Europe, right? I
heard too that, from Germany, you can follow interwiki and see that images
in other Wikipedias, right? So, what is the sense of that policy? Are not
the servers in USA?

2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte 

> Dear readers
>
> Yesterday, on September 15th 2011, the German Wikipedia closed the poll
> (Meinungsbild) "Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter". [1] It asked the
> question if the personal image filter can be introduced or if it should
> not be introduced.
>
> A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image
> filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to
> introduce the feature.
>
> The questions are:
> * Will the board or the WMF proceed with the introduction of the
> personal image filter against the will of it's second largest community?
> * If the WMF/board does not care about the first question. Will it
> affect the way the personal image filter will be implemented? For
> example: Not for all projects. A different implementation as suggested
> inside the "image filter referendum".
> * Will there be an attempt to follow this example and to question other
> communities the same question?
>
> Greetings from
> Tobias Oelgarte
>
> [1]
>
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter
> [2]
>
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter#Auswertung
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

[emijrp]

I prefer WMF caring about the currently hosted sister projects, instead of
adding more.

2011/9/13 David Gerard 

> 2011/9/13 David Richfield :
>
> >> It's possible. The interface part is even quite easy.
> >> The hard part is defining a data model to contain all the words in all
> >> languages, with definitions in all languages, with morphology tables,
> >> etc. Something like this is slowly being done at www.omegawiki.org and
> >> there are other projects, too.
>
> > OK, I didn't realize the depth of that problem.
>
>
> What's the barriers to OmegaWiki joining WMF?
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

[emijrp]

I agree with this analysis.

2011/9/13 

> English Wikinews is in a market with many, many professional
> competitors. Competitors with a paid staff that steadily create
> reliable news output quick and in most cases _for free_. While good
> encyclopedias were still sold for thousands of dollars in 2001, news
> were already available for free back then. So there's no big advantage
> for the reader in using Wikinews instead of some other news resource.
>
> A further point is steadiness. A Wikipedia doesn't loose much value if
> you leave it unedited for some days because of contributor shortage.
> On Wikinews on the other hand most readers will leave forever if there
> are no current news since days. It's very hard to build a userbase if
> you cannot guarantee a continuous flow of new news.
>
> And it's hard to gain authors if you have no readers because the texts
> will only be of interest for a few days. If you write a news article
> and noone reads it you have wasted your time. On Wikipedia however, if
> you write an article you can rest assured that people will read your
> text. If not today then in a year.
>
> Other than a Wikipedia where even a single person can build an
> increasingly useful resource over time, Wikinews has a critical mass.
> If it doesn't reach the criticial mass of steady contributions, the
> project will never lift off.
>
>
> It's my opinion, that Wikimedia should try to support a Wikinews by
> paying a editor in chief and a core team of reporters to secure that
> the project always stays above the critical mass.
>
> Ideally that isn't done in the oversaturated market for English
> language news but in a language that doesn't have any native language
> news outlets. Pick the language with the biggest number of speakers (I
> guess that'll be in rural Africa or Asia) that has no own media and
> hire an editorial team. Send them out to make contacts into the
> diaspora of the language and into the countryside to find volunteer
> reporters and correspondents. Let them do a mix of world news and
> original local news reporting. Go into print. A few newspapers per
> village will probably suffice if you distribute it to the right places
> and propagate sharing.
>
> Provide free and open news to people who haven't had access to native
> content before.
>
> That of course means spending some money. Perhaps it won't work. But I
> think it is worth actually exploring it further and trying it out. At
> least that would be a form of Wikinews that could actually _make a
> difference_. The current model of "give them a wiki and don't do much
> else until six years later the project crumbles to dust" does not lead
> to anything making a difference.
>
> Marcus Buck
> User:Slomox
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

[emijrp]

Interesting link, but a bit focused on software. No mention to content
communities.

Wiki[pm]edia suffered other forks previously, like Enciclopedia Libre.

2011/9/12 Jon Davis 

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_fork#Forking_free_and_open_source_software
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 14:32, Chris Lee 
> wrote:
>
> > Not interested in all the details, but does anyone know how is this
> > different from wikinews?
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] Summary of findings from WMF Summer of Research program now available

[emijrp]

The interesting thing here is, 4.8M unique red links in 2009, and unique
5.6M red links in 2011. *The more articles are created, the more articles
are missing*.

2011/9/6 Steven Walling 

> Greetings everyone,
>
> Now that the the WMF summer research program in the Community Department
> has come to a close, I wanted to point interested parties to the body of
> findings we've produced.
>
> We covered a lot of territory so to save you the trouble if you just want
> to browse, we collected our most salient results into one wiki page.
>
>- Relevant blog post here:
>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/09/06/summer-research-findings/
>
>
>- Summary of findings on Meta, with links to further documentation:
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_Summer_of_Research_2011/Summary_of_Findings
>
> Next steps are twofold for this program:
>
>1. We'll be working with the Global Development team and some
>volunteers from the local community to extend these analyses to cover
>Portuguese Wikipedia, specifically to support Global Dev's work in Brazil.
>2. We're choosing and implementing a platform to release not just our
>code, but the datasets we compiled over the summer. You'll hear more about
>this soon, but we're taking our time in order to decide on a solution that
>will work in the long term for sharing open data beyond the dumps.
>
> Last but not least, if anyone would like to have a more in-depth discussion
> about these findings and the research that produced them, I'm definitely
> open to hosting an IRC office hours with some members of the team. Just let
> me know if you're interested (on or offlist) and I'll set something up soon.
>
> --
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> Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation
> wikimediafoundation.org
>
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[Foundation-l] Very sad news

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Michael S. Hart has died http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Michael_S._Hart
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Re: [Foundation-l] Forkability, its problems and our problems

[emijrp]

Here is a bigger problem.

Wikimedia Foundation wants to increase the participation and readers numbers
just because the capitalist mind of forcing steady growing. They don't know
how to reach that, just want to do it, and the participation growing is flat
since 2007. They tried to improve usability, and nothing happened. Now, they
are working in the gender issue. Tomorrow in the Global South. All them are
great news headlines for the politically correct western world, but, as the
Internet meme, they are doing it wrong.

Wikipedia grew exponentially in the first years, and no Wikimedia Foundation
was needed. Why? Because people easily saw which pages were needed. The
encyclopedia was a blank page. Today, Wikipedia is showed as the most
complete encyclopedia ever written. That is possible true, but that doesn't
mean it is complete. We don't have to ask for new users, we have to show
which stuff need to be written, and people will come. Really, users are
coming, in hordes, visiting numbers are growing but they don't know where
their help is needed.

Furthermore, offering trustworthy text and image dumps is not seductive.
Making forks easy is not seductive. That means re-using content but also
losing contributors which go to other communities. Don't expect much effort
in that.

2011/8/16 Milos Rancic 

> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 22:43, Ray Saintonge  wrote:
> > On 08/15/11 12:25 PM, Gustavo Carrancio wrote:
> >> Fred: easy to fork vs hard to understand other cultures. Think a minute.
> >> ¿Are we making an Encyclopedia? Must we struggle to split or to get
> >> togeather?
> >
> > At some point we need to ask ourselves: Is our mission to make the sum
> > of all human knowledge freely available, or is it to create a monopoly
> > on knowledge.
>
> While I agree with necessity of being able to make a fork easily,
> there is important message which Gustavo wanted to say, but didn't
> express well.
>
> Under the present circumstance, any attempt to create English
> Wikipedia fork could be successful just if WMF makes
> very-ultra-serious shit and it is not likely that it would happen.
>
> We also know how the case Encyclopedia Libre vs. Spanish Wikipedia
> finished. That's, again, thanks to the fact that Spanish is
> multinational language and if someone wants to get significant
> official support, it would require significant time.
>
> However, the opposite example is Hudong encyclopedia. It is obviously
> that Hudong is much more relevant to Chinese people just because of
> the fact that we still have more Taiwanese Wikipedians than Mainland
> China ones.
>
> A couple of months ago three admins of Aceh Wikipedia decided that it
> is not acceptable that they participate in the project which holds
> Muhammad depictions. By the project, they mean Wikimedia in general,
> including Wikimedia Commons. It was just a matter of time when they
> would create their own wiki. And they created that moth or two after
> leaving Wikimedia. And what do you think which project has more
> chances for success: the one without editors or the other with three
> editors? So, while the reason for leaving couldn't be counted among
> reasonable ones, the product is the same as if they had a valid
> reason. And there are plenty of valid reasons, among them almost
> universal problem of highly bureaucratic structures on Wikimedia
> projects.
>
> I can imagine even very successful fork of Wikipedia in any Balkan
> language. We are also more or less on the edge of successful fork of
> any language whose community has any kind of problem with the rest of
> the movement. And at some point we could have serious problem.
> Projects could even start without license compatibility with Wikimedia
> content. Yes, as I don't think that anyone would bother -- which would
> be the right decision because of a number of reasons -- with GFDL and
> CC-BY-SA violations of the encyclopedia in a language with not so much
> speakers.
>
> That leads us to the serious dead end: We want forkability because of
> our principles. We could potentially lose parts of our movement.
> According to our principles, the only way to protect the movement is
> to be attractive to editors more than potential forks could be. And
> that's our structural problem: we are losing that battle since ~2007
> and changes which we are making are too slow and too small.
>
> And that opens the space for even worse scenario. The last hope for
> societies in such decline is to impose martial law and try to fix
> things by not so pleasant methods. The only problem is that we are not
> society. Nobody would be killed because of Wikimedia fall and no
> economy would be destructed. More importantly, when people see harsh
> methods imposed (and one of them would be forbidding [easy]
> forkability), they would start to leave the project, which would just
> catalyze the fall.
>
> Fortunate moment is that we are driving on organizational expansion
> and that we bought some time. There are a couple of oth

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

[emijrp]

2011/8/16 David Gerard 

> On 16 August 2011 09:06, Domas Mituzas  wrote:
>
> > Anyway, we should definitely build something like that, just don't pay
> attention to suicide rate.
>
>
> :-) I am quite cognisant that the likely number of people wanting to
> build a full fork of Wikipedia may well be *zero*. I apologise if I
> have given any of this the sound of urgency. I am saying, however,
> that forkability is an important right thing, a guard against
> disasters and a good way to keep ourselves honest. And a lot (if not
> all) of what it requires is stuff we really should be doing anyway.
>
> (BTW - we *do* have someone making sure the Internet Archive - or a
> similar organisation,


I heard Internet Archive downloads dumps every 3 months (but no images).

Also, some time ago I heard about a contact with Library of Congress to host
dumps duplicates. No more news about that.


> if there are any similar organisations - has a
> full collection of all our backups, so if Florida was hit by a meteor
> tomorrow people would have something to start from?)
>
>
Instead of a meteor, maybe a hurricane. Instead of a hurricane, maybe a
faulty RAID. Did you hear about the RAID problem some months ago?

Regards,
emijrp


> - d.
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

[emijrp]

2011/8/14 Krinkle 

> Hi all,
>
> 've read most of the previous mails so far. I'd like to clear some
> confusion
> (just in case). Please do correct me if I'm wrong and got caught
> by the confusion myself:
>
> The thread is about one of the following:
> * .. the ability to clone a MediaWiki install and upload it to your own
> domain
> to continue making edits, writing articles etc.
>

Installing MediaWiki for you is easy for geeks. The only solution for
newbies is using wikifarms.


> * .. getting better dumps of Wikimedia wikis in particular (ie. Wikipedia)
>

A ten years old on-going task.


> * .. being able to install MediaWiki easier or even online (like new wikis
> on
> Wikia.com)
>

MediaWiki developers issue.


> * .. making it easy for developers to fork the MediaWiki source code
> repository.
>
>
Trivial. Any developer can set up a repository with a source code snapshot.


Gerard in the first post was speaking about 1) forks, 2) digital preserving

Forking single articles is easy, you just copy/paste (with histories you
have to use import/export). Forking a set of articles is just a bit more
difficult. Forking the whole Wikipedia is _hard_, you need a good
infrastructure and skills.

Digital preserving is a big problem in computer science. It is not solved
yet, but if you make backups frequently and in several places, you have a
high security to save the data.

To fork you need first the data being preserved, and this links with the
dumps generation problem above.

I think people is getting nervous with Wikipedia (and me too), in the same
way people is getting worried with Google having control of all your online
life (Gmail, Google Reader, Google Calendar, Google+, etc). If Google closes
your account, your online life vanishes. If Google dies, your online life
too. Of course you can export all your e-mail, contacts, etc, but you lose
the @gmail.com address, all links in search engines to your data is broken,
etc. Google has a good policy about exporting data, most Internet services
don't.

The mankind is compiling all human knowledge in an encyclopedia, which is
hosted in faulty metal plates spinning thousand times per minute, managed by
faulty humans and located only in one or two locations in the world
(Florida, the land of hurricanes and San Francisco, the land of
earthquakes).

Making fun of Wikipedia is so 2007. Playing with Wikipedia is so 2001.
Losing knowledge is so 48 BC. This is the most important mission human race
has ever achieve.

Regards,
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Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

[emijrp]

Yes, that tool looks similar to the idea I wrote. Other approaches may be
possible too.

2011/8/13 John Vandenberg 

> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 4:53 AM, emijrp  wrote:
> > Man, Gerard is thinking about new methods to fork (in an easy way) single
> > articles, sets of articles or complete wikipedias, and people reply about
> > setting up servers/mediawiki/importing_databases and other geeky weekend
> > parties. That is why there is no successful forks. Forking Wikipedia is
> > _hard_.
> >
> > People need a button to create a branch of an article or sets of
> articles,
> > and be allowed to re-write and work in the way they want. Of course, the
> > resulting articles can't be saved/showed close to the Wikipedia articles,
> > but in a new plataform. It would be an interesting experiment.
>
> Something like this.. ?
>
> http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:PersonalWikiTool
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?

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You can upload them to Internet Archive.

2011/8/12 Itzik Edri 

> Each files is about 2GB size... As commons allow us to upload only 100MB
> per
> file, we will need later to resize them and upload them via the
> sys-admins..
> Now we trying to finish working on the original files so they could be
> upload to youtube. Commons is, of course, is our next task...
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Waihorace  wrote:
>
> > I am interest in using them on wiki. Thanks.
> >
> > HW
> >
> > 從︰ Béria Lima 
> > 收件人︰ Waihorace ; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing
> List
> > 
> > 傳送日期︰ 2011年08月10日 (週三) 5:54 PM
> > 主題︰ Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?
> >
> >
> > Not yet.
> >
> > So far you can find some videos here:
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaIL
> >
> > But they will be in Commons soon
> > _
> > Béria Lima
> > (351) 925 171 484
> >
> > Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre
> > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
> > fazer.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10 August 2011 02:40, Waihorace  wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> > >
> > >Are the Wikimania 2011 video on YouTube aviliable on Wikimedia Commons?
> > Where is the link? Thanks.
> > >
> > >HW@zhwp
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Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

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Man, Gerard is thinking about new methods to fork (in an easy way) single
articles, sets of articles or complete wikipedias, and people reply about
setting up servers/mediawiki/importing_databases and other geeky weekend
parties. That is why there is no successful forks. Forking Wikipedia is
_hard_.

People need a button to create a branch of an article or sets of articles,
and be allowed to re-write and work in the way they want. Of course, the
resulting articles can't be saved/showed close to the Wikipedia articles,
but in a new plataform. It would be an interesting experiment.

2011/8/12 David Gerard 

> [posted to foundation-l and wikitech-l, thread fork of a discussion
> elsewhere]
>
>
> THESIS: Our inadvertent monopoly is *bad*. We need to make it easy to
> fork the projects, so as to preserve them.
>
> This is the single point of failure problem. The reasons for it having
> happened are obvious, but it's still a problem. Blog posts (please
> excuse me linking these yet again):
>
> * http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2007/04/10/disaster-recovery-planning/
> * http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/01/19/single-point-of-failure/
>
> I dream of the encyclopedia being meaningfully backed up. This will
> require technical attention specifically to making the projects -
> particularly that huge encyclopedia in English - meaningfully
> forkable.
>
> Yes, we should be making ourselves forkable. That way people don't
> *have* to trust us.
>
> We're digital natives - we know the most effective way to keep
> something safe is to make sure there's lots of copies around.
>
> How easy is it to set up a copy of English Wikipedia - all text, all
> pictures, all software, all extensions and customisations to the
> software? What bits are hard? If a sizable chunk of the community
> wanted to fork, how can we make it *easy* for them to do so?
>
> And I ask all this knowing that we don't have the paid tech resources
> to look into it - tech is a huge chunk of the WMF budget and we're
> still flat-out just keeping the lights on. But I do think it needs
> serious consideration for long-term preservation of all this work.
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [Foundation-l] List of Wikimedia projects and languages

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2011/7/11 Milos Rancic 

>
> Note that estimates from the past (and likely from the present) count
> that no language with less than 1M of speakers would survive 2050.
>
>
If Wikimedia projects and WMF leave to die 90% (or 80%, or 70%, or 60%) of
current languages in the next 40 years (we will be alive to see it,
probably), then both are failures.

Look this:
* http://blog.archive.org/2011/01/30/digitizing-all-balinese-literature/
* http://www.archive.org/details/Bali

And compare http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ban

Partnership between Internet Archive and Wikimedia Foundation is mandatory.
Second one has to learn a lot of the first one.

IA has a small staff too[1] (WMF boasts about that), but they are doing much
more to preserve and spread knowledge than Wiki[mp]edia projects.
Unfortunately they are only on the 213 of Alexa ranking.

[1] http://www.archive.org/about/bios.php
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Re: [Foundation-l] List of Wikimedia projects and languages

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2011/7/11 Amir E. Aharoni 

>  I'll never lose hope that we'll have a full-blown encyclopedia in each
> of the 7,000 languages, but even if we won't, it's still very much in
> the scope of Wikimedia's mission to have full collections of free
> texts in all of them - folk tales, religious texts, any spoken
> recordings, whatever. So for many languages a WikiSource project may
> be even more relevant than an encyclopedia.
>
>
Yep. Wikipedia community have to start to rescue that knowledge in danger.
Knowledge is being destroyed everywhere: digital (dead links) and analogical
(dying languages/cultures, places [without pics], etc).
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Re: [Foundation-l] List of Wikimedia projects and languages

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2011/7/11 Thomas Goldammer 

> 2011/7/11 emijrp :
> > @Thomas and @Andre: I know that it is very hard to mantain a Wikipedia in
> > 'remote' or 'almost extinct' languages, but, if we don't save as much as
> we
> > can of them (including words, grammar, culture, social values), how are
> we
> > going to offer 'all human knowledge' ?
>
> We offer this knowledge by having articles about the grammar, culture
> and social values of these languages, and by having wiktionary entries
> for the words of these languages.


I'm OK with this.


> We do not need to have the human
> knowledge *in* these languages. It would be nice,

but it's not necessary to reach the ultimate goal to offer all human
> knowledge.
>

Why not? Why do people need to learn English to read a complete
encyclopedia? Biased thinking.


>
> >
> > How many people don't
> > understand any Wikipedia today?
>
> Of those who can read at all, probably much less than 1%. The problem
> are those people who can't read.
>

Be careful, first 1% is from your pocket ({{citation needed}}), second 1% of
hundred of millions may be a lot of people.


>
> Th.
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Re: [Foundation-l] List of Wikimedia projects and languages

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@Thomas and @Andre: I know that it is very hard to mantain a Wikipedia in
'remote' or 'almost extinct' languages, but, if we don't save as much as we
can of them (including words, grammar, culture, social values), how are we
going to offer 'all human knowledge' ?

How are we going to offer knowledge to every human being in the planet if we
have Wikipedias only in 270 of 7000 languages. How many people don't
understand any Wikipedia today?

2011/7/11 Thomas Goldammer 

> I would estimate that we won't ever reach 300 (open)
> Wikipedia language versions,
>

LOL : ) That predictions use to be wrong. If we don't reach 300 languages in
2050 using editors, we will reach that milestone using
auto-translated-futuristic software.
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Re: [Foundation-l] List of Wikimedia projects and languages

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct_language

"It is believed that 90% of the circa 7,000 languages currently spoken in
the world will have become extinct by 2050, as the world's language system
has reached a crisis and is dramatically restructuring."

How is Wikipedia going to affect this language disaster? WMF 2050 goals
ideas : ) ?

2011/7/11 Milos Rancic 

> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 21:28, Milos Rancic  wrote:
> > * 270 Wikimedia languages (however, you would see below that the term
> > "language" is not quite precise)
>
> One note: there are 270 languages counting Simple English as a
> constructed/controlled language. If it isn't counted, there are 269
> languages.
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[Foundation-l] CDPedia

[emijrp]

Hi;

Please, can you add CDPedia[1] (Spanish Wikipedia) to [2]?

Thanks,
emijrp

[1] http://python.org.ar/pyar/Proyectos/CDPedia
[2] http://dumps.wikimedia.org/dvd.html
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia dumps downloader

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2011/6/28 Platonides 

> emijrp wrote:
>
>> Hi;
>>
>> @Derrick: I don't trust Amazon.
>>
>
> I disagree. Note that we only need them to keep a redundant copy of a file.
> If they tried to tamper the file we could detect it with the hashes (which
> should be properly secured, that's no problem).
>
>
I didn't mean security problems. I meant just deleted files by weird terms
of service. Commons hosts a lot of images which can be problematic, like
nudes or copyrighted materials in some jurisdictions. They can deleted what
they want and close every account they want, and we will lost the backups.
Period.

And we don't only need to keep a copy of every file. We need several copies
everywhere, not only in the Amazon coolcloud.


> I'd like having the hashes for the xml dumps content instead of the
> compressed one, though, so it could be easily stored with better compression
> without weakening the integrity check.
>
>
>  Really, I don't trust Wikimedia
>> Foundation either. They can't and/or they don't want to provide image
>> dumps (what is worst?).
>>
>
> Wikimedia Foundation has provided image dumps several times in the past,
> and also rsync3 access to some individuals so that they could clone it.
>

Ah, OK, that is enough (?). Then, you are OK with old-and-broken XML dumps,
because people can slurp all the pages using an API scrapper.


> It's like the enwiki history dump. An image dump is complex, and even less
> useful.
>
>
It is not complex, just resources consuming. If they need to buy another 10
TB of space and more CPU, they can. $16M were donated last year. They just
need to put resources in relevant stuff. WMF always says "we host the 5th
website in the world", I say that they need to act like that.

Less useful? I hope they don't need such a useless dump for recovering
images, just like happened in the past.


>
>  Community donates images to Commons, community
>> donates money every year, and now community needs to develop a software
>> to extract all the images and packed them,
>>
>
> There's no *need* for that. In fact, such script would be trivial from the
> toolserver.


Ah, OK, only people with toolserver account may have access to an image
dump. And you say it is trivial from Toolserver and very complex from
Wikimedia main servers.

 and of course, host them in a permanent way. Crazy, right?
>>
>
> WMF also tries hard to not lose images.


I hope that, but we remember a case of lost images.


> We want to provide some redundance on our own. That's perfectly fine, but
> it's not a requirement.


That _is_ a requirement. We can't trust Wikimedia Foundation. They lost
images. They have problems to generate English Wikipedia dumps and image
dumps. They had a hardware failure some months ago in the RAID which hosts
the XML dumps, and they didn't offer those dumps during months, while trying
to fix the crash.


> Consider that WMF could be automatically deleting page history older than a
> month,

 or images not used on any article. *That* would be a real problem.
>
>
You just don't understand how dangerous is the current status (and it was
worst in the past).


>
>  @Milos: Instead of spliting image dump using the first letter of
>> filenames, I thought about spliting using the upload date (-MM-DD).
>> So, first chunks (2005-01-01) will be tiny, and recent ones of several
>> GB (a single day).
>>
>> Regards,
>> emijrp
>>
>
> I like that idea since it means the dumps are static. They could be placed
> in tape inside a safe and not needed to be taken out unless data loss
> arises.
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia dumps downloader

[emijrp]

Hi;

@Derrick: I don't trust Amazon. Really, I don't trust Wikimedia Foundation
either. They can't and/or they don't want to provide image dumps (what is
worst?). Community donates images to Commons, community donates money every
year, and now community needs to develop a software to extract all the
images and packed them, and of course, host them in a permanent way. Crazy,
right?

@Milos: Instead of spliting image dump using the first letter of filenames,
I thought about spliting using the upload date (-MM-DD). So, first
chunks (2005-01-01) will be tiny, and recent ones of several GB (a single
day).

Regards,
emijrp

2011/6/28 Derrick Coetzee 

> As a Commons admin I've thought a lot about the problem of
> distributing Commons dumps. As for distribution, I believe BitTorrent
> is absolutely the way to go, but the Torrent will require a small
> network of dedicated permaseeds (servers that seed indefinitely).
> These can easily be set up at low cost on Amazon EC2 "small" instances
> - the disk storage for the archives is free, since small instances
> include a  large (~120 GB) ephemeral storage volume at no additional
> cost, and the cost of bandwidth can be controlled by configuring the
> BitTorrent client with either a bandwidth throttle or a transfer cap
> (or both). In fact, I think all Wikimedia dumps should be available
> through such a distribution solution, just as all Linux installation
> media are today.
>
> Additionally, it will be necessary to construct (and maintain) useful
> subsets of Commons media, such as "all media used on the English
> Wikipedia", or "thumbnails of all images on Wikimedia Commons", of
> particular interest to certain content reusers, since the full set is
> far too large to be of interest to most reusers. It's on this latter
> point that I want your feedback: what useful subsets of Wikimedia
> Commons does the research community want? Thanks for your feedback.
>
> --=20
> Derrick Coetzee
> User:Dcoetzee, English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons administrator
> http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~dcoetzee/
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia dumps downloader

[emijrp]

Can you share your script with us?

2011/6/27 Platonides 

> emijrp wrote:
>
>> Hi SJ;
>>
>> You know that that is an old item in our TODO list ; )
>>
>> I heard that Platonides developed a script for that task long time ago.
>>
>> Platonides, are you there?
>>
>> Regards,
>> emijrp
>>
>
> Yes, I am. :)
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia dumps downloader

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Hi SJ;

You know that that is an old item in our TODO list ; )

I heard that Platonides developed a script for that task long time ago.

Platonides, are you there?

Regards,
emijrp

2011/6/27 Samuel Klein 

> Thank you, Emijrp!
>
> What about the dump of Commons images?   [for those with 10TB to spare]
>
> SJ
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:53 AM, emijrp  wrote:
> > Hi all;
> >
> > Can you imagine a day when Wikipedia is added to this list?[1]
> >
> > WikiTeam have developed a script[2] to download all the Wikipedia dumps
> (and
> > her sister projects) from dumps.wikimedia.org. It sorts in folders and
> > checks md5sum. It only works on Linux (it uses wget).
> >
> > You will need about 100GB to download all the 7z files.
> >
> > Save our memory.
> >
> > Regards,
> > emijrp
> >
> > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_libraries
> > [2]
> >
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Xmldatadumps-l] Wikipedia dumps downloader

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Hi Richard;

Yes, a distributed project would be probably the best solution, but it is
not easy to develop, unless you use a library like bittorrent, or similar
and you have many peers. Althought most of the people don't seed the files
long time, so sometimes is better to depend on a few committed persons than
a big but ephemeral crowd.

Regards,
emijrp

2011/6/26 Richard Farmbrough 

> **
> It would be useful to have  an archive of archives.  I have to delete my
> old data dumps as time passes, for space reasons, however a team could,
> between them, maintain multiple copies of every data dump. This would make a
> nice distributed project.
>
> On 26/06/2011 13:53, emijrp wrote:
>
> Hi all;
>
> Can you imagine a day when Wikipedia is added to this list?[1]
>
> WikiTeam have developed a script[2] to download all the Wikipedia dumps
> (and her sister projects) from dumps.wikimedia.org. It sorts in folders
> and checks md5sum. It only works on Linux (it uses wget).
>
> You will need about 100GB to download all the 7z files.
>
> Save our memory.
>
> Regards,
> emijrp
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_libraries
> [2]
> http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/source/browse/trunk/wikipediadownloader.py
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[Foundation-l] Wikipedia dumps downloader

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Hi all;

Can you imagine a day when Wikipedia is added to this list?[1]

WikiTeam have developed a script[2] to download all the Wikipedia dumps (and
her sister projects) from dumps.wikimedia.org. It sorts in folders and
checks md5sum. It only works on Linux (it uses wget).

You will need about 100GB to download all the 7z files.

Save our memory.

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_libraries
[2]
http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/source/browse/trunk/wikipediadownloader.py
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Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Selected Books from Malayalam Wikisource on CD released

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I'm interested in uploading these CDs ISOs to Internet Archive. Are you OK
with this? Your server is a bit slow, so, you will have a mirror an a bit
faster.

2011/6/11 Jyothis E 

> Dear fellow Wikimedians,
>
> With great pleasure, Malayalam Wikimedia Community announced its 2011 CD
> project "Selected Books from Malayalam Wikisource on CD - 1.0" at the 4th
> annual Wiki Meetup in Kannur, Kerala. This is by far the biggest digital
> collection of free books in Malayalam language available on CD for offline
> use. This is an important milestone, as majority of the households in
> Kerala
> does not have internet or does not have an always on connection and this
> will enable them to access these books as an offline content.
>
> Contents:
>
> Selected Poems by
>  * Kumaranasan
>  * Cherusseri
>  * Changampuzha Krishna Pillai
>  * Kalakkaththu Kunchan Nambiar
>  * Irayimman Thampi
>  * Ramapurathu Warrier
>
> Malayalam Grammer
>  * Kerala Panineeyam by AR Rajaraja Varma
>
> Legends/Folklore
>  * Aithihyamala
>
> Novels
>  * Indulekha
>
> Religious
>  * Bhagavad Gita
>  * Adhyatma Ramayanam Kilippaatu
>  * Harinama Keerthanam
>  * Geetha Govindam
>  * Sathya Veda Pusthakam (Malayalam Bible)
>  * Quran
>  * Works of Sree Narayana Guru
>  * Devotional songs for Christian, Hindu and Islamic religions
>
>  Native Art Form
>  * Parichamuttukali pattukal
>
>  Philosophy (Political)
>  * Communist Manifesto
>  * Principles of Communism (Friedrich Engels)
>
> The CD also contains the commons collections of images on food, plants,
> birds, maps and  celebrations from Kerala. The CD is made available for
> download in iso format as well as browsing at our community website -
> http://www.mlwiki.in. For those who are interested in the technical
> challenges and aspects of the background work may read Santhosh's blog
> post<
> http://thottingal.in/blog/2011/06/11/malayalam-wikisource-offline-version/
> >about
> it.
>
> We thank every one who participated in the effort. Comments and questions
> are welcome.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Malayalam Wikimedia Community.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikis around Europe!

[emijrp]

On the left sidebar on the map you have two links "Ratings" and "Comments".
I have left a comment asking about how to add new wikis. Can you drop a line
with the wikis you want to add? Regards.

2011/6/11 Juliana da Costa José 

> Wow, very interesting. But there are not allready all Wikis inside. I know
> especially from Germany two, three RegioWikis who are missing.
> How the tool is working?
>
> Juliana
>
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Selected Books from Malayalam Wikisource on CD released

[emijrp]

Creating an offline version of a wiki project is a hard work. Keep up the
good work! Congratulations! : )

P.D.: downloading...

2011/6/11 Jyothis E 

> Dear fellow Wikimedians,
>
> With great pleasure, Malayalam Wikimedia Community announced its 2011 CD
> project "Selected Books from Malayalam Wikisource on CD - 1.0" at the 4th
> annual Wiki Meetup in Kannur, Kerala. This is by far the biggest digital
> collection of free books in Malayalam language available on CD for offline
> use. This is an important milestone, as majority of the households in
> Kerala
> does not have internet or does not have an always on connection and this
> will enable them to access these books as an offline content.
>
> Contents:
>
> Selected Poems by
>  * Kumaranasan
>  * Cherusseri
>  * Changampuzha Krishna Pillai
>  * Kalakkaththu Kunchan Nambiar
>  * Irayimman Thampi
>  * Ramapurathu Warrier
>
> Malayalam Grammer
>  * Kerala Panineeyam by AR Rajaraja Varma
>
> Legends/Folklore
>  * Aithihyamala
>
> Novels
>  * Indulekha
>
> Religious
>  * Bhagavad Gita
>  * Adhyatma Ramayanam Kilippaatu
>  * Harinama Keerthanam
>  * Geetha Govindam
>  * Sathya Veda Pusthakam (Malayalam Bible)
>  * Quran
>  * Works of Sree Narayana Guru
>  * Devotional songs for Christian, Hindu and Islamic religions
>
>  Native Art Form
>  * Parichamuttukali pattukal
>
>  Philosophy (Political)
>  * Communist Manifesto
>  * Principles of Communism (Friedrich Engels)
>
> The CD also contains the commons collections of images on food, plants,
> birds, maps and  celebrations from Kerala. The CD is made available for
> download in iso format as well as browsing at our community website -
> http://www.mlwiki.in. For those who are interested in the technical
> challenges and aspects of the background work may read Santhosh's blog
> post<
> http://thottingal.in/blog/2011/06/11/malayalam-wikisource-offline-version/
> >about
> it.
>
> We thank every one who participated in the effort. Comments and questions
> are welcome.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Malayalam Wikimedia Community.
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[Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikis around Europe!

[emijrp]

Hi. I forward this e-mail, I hope there are people interested on this map.

-- Forwarded message --
From: emijrp 
Date: 2011/6/11
Subject: Wikis around Europe!
To: wikiteam-disc...@googlegroups.com


Hi all;

A friend of mine has sent me this link about wikis (locapedias) around
Europe.[1] I'm very surprised about the huge amount of wikis available.

Time to archive all of them.[2] I have been working on Spanish ones. If you
want to help archiving one country, please, reply to this message to
coordinate. If not, I will try to archive entire Europe!

Regards,
emijrp

[1]
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&msa=0&msid=115570622864617231547.00044e461c185a89b6d71&ll=49.095452,14.677734&spn=39.93254,79.013672&z=4
[2] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] YouTube and Creative Commons

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A nice script to download YouTube videos is youtube-dl[1]. Link that with a
flv/mp4 -> ogg converter and an uploader to Commons is trivial.

[1] http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/

2011/6/4 Michael Dale 

> Comments inline:
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Brion Vibber  wrote:
>
> > (I'm not sure offhand if I'm set up to cross-post to Foundation-l; if
> this
> > doesn't make it, somebody please CC a mention if necessary. Thanks!)
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:42 PM, aude  wrote:
> >
> > > Aside from the very real privacy issue, YouTube videos can disappear at
> > any
> > > time.  I would much rather we host them on Commons.
> > >
> > > A youtube2commons script is pretty easy to implement,
> >
>
>
> yes a basic youtube2commons script was posted by Jan on wikivideo-l list
> recently:
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikivideo-l/2011-May/56.html But
> as
> you point out we really need to work on increasing the upload size limit.
>
>
>
> >
> > There's been some ongoing work on TimedMediaHandler extension which will
> > replace the older OggHandler
> >
>
>
> Yes, been hammering away on associated bugs. People can help by testing and
> filing bugs :) thedj has helped file a lot of bugs, and Brion too recently
> has been taking a look at the transcoding side of things and Roan did a
> good
> first pass review and thous suggestions have since been integrated.  I hope
> to have a new version up prototype soon that integrates all the known
> requested features / bugs listed in bugzilla some time next week. (with the
> exception of features tagged for version 1.1 like server side srt parsing
> and timed wikitext -> html -> srt text with html tag removal )  Once I get
> this update out to prototype I will try and do a blog post at that point to
> invite people to put test it out.
>
>
>
> > Basic uploads by URL work in theory, but I'm not sure the deployment
> > status.
> > Background large-file downloads are currently disabled in the latest code
> > and needs to be reimplemented if that's to be used.
> >
>
>
> Yea we have bug:
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20512tracking
> re-enabling copy by url. Once we have webm TMH deployed it would
> make for simple youtube cc content with importing without conversion :)
>
>
> >
> > For straight uploads, regular uploads of large files are a bit
> problematic
> > in general (they hit memory limits and such and have to make it through
> > caching proxies and whatnot), but there's also been some new work on
> > improved chunked uploads for FireFogg (and perhaps for general modern
> > browsers that can do fancier uploads). Michael Dale can probably give
> some
> > updates on this, but it'll be a bit yet before it's ready to go.
> >
>
> Yes we are reimplementing the firefogg chunk uploading as ResumableUpload (
> name of new extension ) in a way that allows both HTML5 XHR browsers to use
> the chunk protocol in addition to firefogg ( if your converting video from
> a
> proprietary source ). In addition we had disscutions at the Berlin
> Hack-a-ton that cleared up some confusion about the concerns with the
> firefogg protocol and modified it to explicitly state the byte ranges of
> chunks in requests and server responses. Also had a brief chat with Russell
> on IRC, so that we can support this append chunks system as we move to the
> swiftMedia back end.
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Archiving wikis

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Hi Nemo. It is a great idea, but it needs a lot of resources (space
and bandwidth).

By the way, MediaWiki includes dumpBackup.php to make wiki backups.
But people do not use it, and do not publish backups. If we make an
extension or feature (disabled by deault), it is the same problem.
Only a few persons are going to care about enable it and publishing
backups.

2011/4/14, Federico Leva (Nemo) :
> emijrp, 14/04/2011 12:52:
>> We know that websites are fragile and that broken links are common.
>> Wikimedia (and other communities like Wikia) publish dumps of their wikis,
>> but, that is not common. Most wiki communities don't publish any backups
>> [...]
>
> Would it make sense to add a feature to MediaWiki 8disabled by default)
> that makes the regular generation of dumps automatic and creates some
> special page to access them or even sends them to some central
> repository (we could create one for free license projects)?
> So people wouldn't need to care about dumps and we wouldn't need to go
> around looking for wikis.
>
> Nemo
>

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[Foundation-l] Archiving wikis

[emijrp]

Hi all;

We know that websites are fragile and that broken links are common.
Wikimedia (and other communities like Wikia) publish dumps of their wikis,
but, that is not common. Most wiki communities don't publish any backups, so
their users can't do anything when a disaster occurs (data loss, attack), if
they want to fork, etc. Of course they can use Special:Export, but that
requires a huge hand-made effort, and the images are not downloaded.

I'm working in WikiTeam,[1] a group inside Archive Team, where we want to
archive wikis, from Wikipedia to tiniest ones. As I said, Wikipedia
publishes backups, so not problem here. But I have developed a script that
downloads all the pages of a wiki (using Special:Export), it merges them
into an unique XML file (as pages-history dumps) and downloads all the
images (if you enable that option). That is great if you want to have a
backup of your favorite wiki, or to clone a defunct wiki (abandoned by its
administrator), or you want to move your wiki from a free wikifarm to a
personal paid hosting, etc.

Also, of course, you can use this script to retrieve the full histories of a
wiki, and research, just as a Wikipedia dump.

We are running this script in several wikis and uploading the complete
histories to the download section[2], building a little wiki library. Don't
be fooled by their sizes. They are 7zip files which usually expand to many
MB.

I hope you enjoy this script, make backups of your favorite wikis and
research them.

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/
[2] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list?can=1
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Re: [Foundation-l] Is the WMF spending its (our or our donors) money irrationally?

[emijrp]

What about hurricanes? ; )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Florida_hurricane_%28pre-1900%29_tracks.jpg

2011/3/4 Tim Starling 

> On 05/03/11 01:47, WereSpielChequers wrote:
> > As for the big financial decisions, I tend to the view that locating
> > our sole data centre in a state known for its Earthquakes was a brave
> > decision, and creating a secondary datacentre an expensive but logical
> > one.
>
> Our main data centre is in Florida, which is one of the safest states
> in the US for earthquakes. Only the office is in San Francisco.
>
> -- Tim Starling
>
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[Foundation-l] Time capsule

[emijrp]

Hi all;

Please, read this interesting idea
http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas#buy_Time_Capsules
Any suggestion?

Regards,
emijrp
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Re: [Foundation-l] Again: January 15 retro?

[emijrp]

Yes, readers may be interested in local meet-ups. A link to the Ten Wiki
would be great. Come on! Involve readers in this!

2011/1/11 HW 

> I perfer a global notice for all project as soon as possible since some
> activity
> is going on before 15 January.
> It should be link to tenwiki or local page (if any, see wikiX-l)
>
> HW
>
> I prefer a global notice for all projects, similar to the fundraising
> banners, only for January 15, where we explain in a line that it is the 10
> anniversary, and offer a link to expand information.
>
> 2011/1/11 Lodewijk 
>
> > so... to conclude the discussion on this topic, which went rather
> sideways,
> > there seems to be a broad support for the retro logo - also at least in
> the
> > local nlwiki community. What would be the steps to take to make this
> > happen?
> >
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > 2011/1/6 Lodewijk 
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > wouldn't it be nice to change the logo of Wikipedia on January 15th
> back
> > > for one day to those old logo's? Give people a retro feeling? (would
> love
> > to
> > > see enwiki go back to the american flag, but perhaps the round text
> logo
> > > would lead to less overload of the OTRS queues) How can these logo's be
> > > changed if there is a wish to do so? It used to be possible through
> > > Wiki.png, but that is no longer the case.
> > >
> > > Best, Lodewijk
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Re: [Foundation-l] Again: January 15 retro?

[emijrp]

I prefer a global notice for all projects, similar to the fundraising
banners, only for January 15, where we explain in a line that it is the 10
anniversary, and offer a link to expand information.

2011/1/11 Lodewijk 

> so... to conclude the discussion on this topic, which went rather sideways,
> there seems to be a broad support for the retro logo - also at least in the
> local nlwiki community. What would be the steps to take to make this
> happen?
>
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2011/1/6 Lodewijk 
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > wouldn't it be nice to change the logo of Wikipedia on January 15th back
> > for one day to those old logo's? Give people a retro feeling? (would love
> to
> > see enwiki go back to the american flag, but perhaps the round text logo
> > would lead to less overload of the OTRS queues) How can these logo's be
> > changed if there is a wish to do so? It used to be possible through
> > Wiki.png, but that is no longer the case.
> >
> > Best, Lodewijk
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Re: [Foundation-l] January 15 retro?

[emijrp]

We need a Free Knowledge Song, similar to the Free Software Song[1][2]. It
is cool to sing it in these events.

[1] http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw

2011/1/8 Lodewijk 

> can't we just rename Breakfast to Wikipedia Party Breakfast? :P
>
> 2011/1/8 Philippe Beaudette 
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:04 PM, James Alexander wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Pharos 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I actually tried to set up a geonotice to catch Wikipedian
> > >> Antarcticans a while back, but unfortunately the convergence of the
> > >> longitude lines kind of threw it off :P
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Pharos
> > >>
> > > There is an 'Antarctica' in the Central Notice country list... I wonder
> > if
> > > the IPs actually geolocate to it...
> > >
> >
> >
> > I'll save you some trouble. :)
> >
> > I've been in touch with the folks behind the joint research station,
> > Antarctica.  This is a very very scaled down time of year for them, and
> > they're in a pure maintenance mode, at the moment.  Through a friend, I
> was
> > able to get someone to make both an edit and a contribution from there
> (so
> > we could say "every continent") but a party of any type - even three guys
> > and a glass of grape juice - was a non-starter.
> >
> > pb
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Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

[emijrp]

Is there any database backup of Nupedia? Or the articles were posted as HTML
pages?

2010/12/15 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 

> And here is the first http://wikipedia.com archive link available at web
> archive.
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20010727112808/http://www.wikipedia.org/
>
>
> 2010/12/15 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
>
> > I hope some of you may have seen/discussed  these pages (as well as the
> > connected pages):
> >
> > http://web.archive.org/web/20010418152404/www.nupedia.com/
> >
> > upto
> >
> >  http://web.archive.org/web/20030730075209/http://www.nupedia.org/
> >
> > Of course the domain name then, was nupedia.org.
> >
> > -vp
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 02:30, Tim Starling  >wrote:
> >
> >> On 15/12/10 07:36, Henning Schlottmann wrote:
> >> > On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote:
> >> >> I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I
> >> >> opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete
> >> >> backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August
> 2001!
> >> >
> >> > That's wonderful news. Is this for enWP only or were all languages in
> >> > one database back then?
> >>
> >> Just English, unfortuately.
> >>
> >> You may find this interesting:
> >>
> >> <
> >>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20030318055654/http://nupedia.com/pipermail/interpret-l.mbox/interpret-l.mbox
> >> >
> >>
> >> <
> >>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20020817032335/www.nupedia.com/pipermail/intlwiki-l.mbox/intlwiki-l.mbox
> >> >
> >>
> >> -- Tim Starling
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

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2010/12/14 Mike Dupont 

> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tim Starling 
> wrote:
> > HomePage
> > * WikiPedia
> > * PhilosophyAndLogic
> > * UnitedStates
> > * PopularMusic
> > * SportS
> > * MathematicsAndStatistics
> > * CountriesOfTheWorld
> > * AaA
> > * AfghanistaN
> > * UuU
> > * TechnologY
> > * ComputinG
> > * ComputerSoftware
> > * TransporT
> > * NamingConventions
>
> Nice, I have added this as a userpage
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/FirstPages
>
> All of them work except for. They have been deleted as meaningless
> with no relevant historical value.
> 20:12, 18 April 2006 RexNL (talk | contribs) deleted "AfghanistaN" ‎
> (content was: '{{db|R3:Redirects as a result of an implausible
> typo}}#REDIRECT Afghanistan')
> 09:19, 24 May 2005 Thue (talk | contribs) deleted "TechnologY" ‎
> (content was: '#REDIRECT Technology')
> 04:48, 8 March 2007 Raul654 (talk | contribs) deleted
> "NamingConventions" ‎ (content was: '#REDIRECT wikipedia:Naming
> conventions')
>
> The should all be restored under the catagory Muesum of WIkipedia!
>
>
Yes, please. I'm putting {{R from CamelCase}} in some redirects of the Tim's
list.


> mike
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

[emijrp]

Hi;

Thanks Tim. Congratulations.

Is Wikipedia:UuU[1] now out-of-date?

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:UuU


2010/12/14 Tim Starling 

> I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I
> opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete
> backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001!
>
> This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here
> which was assumed to be lost forever.
>
> I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in
> the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have
> had one. I had given up hope.
>
> The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the
> present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of
> deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which
> Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki
> only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet.
>
> I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever,
> and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the
> unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends
> a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog.
> In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from
> January 15 to August 17, 2001.
>
> I've put the two log files up on the web, at:
>
> http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z<http://noc.wikimedia.org/%7Etstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z>
>
> The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's
> backups.
>
> rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of
> logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no
> expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled
> with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy
> can come from releasing these files.
>
> -- Tim Starling
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Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation-L Mirrors

[emijrp]

I think that this list is re-posted in other newsgroup compilations
websites. Also, the tar.gz archives sorted by month are available in the
mailing list site.

2010/12/8 

> What is the perceived limitation(s) on mirroring this email list ?
>
> That is, making copies of it, on other sites.
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