Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.yu wrote: I suggest a hatnote on the main page of the site: This is the website of Wikimedia United Kingdom. For other uses, see uk.wikimedia.org (disambiguation). I actually coined the word hatnote - probably in violation of our 'no neologisms' policy. By the way, I think I'm currently blocked from the list, so I'm not thinking this will get posted anyway. -Steven ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Wikipedias follow the ISO 639 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639language code standard, where uk is the code for the Ukrainian language. The chapter sites, however, use the ISO 3166http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166standard for country codes, and ua is the code for the country of Ukraine. (There is however the fact that the ISO 3166 code for the United Kingdom is gb, while uk is unused; our usage however mirrors that of the country code top level domainshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain .) 2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn%27t_it_ ? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Pavlo Shevelo wrote: I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) I suggest a hatnote on the main page of the site: This is the website of Wikimedia United Kingdom. For other uses, see uk.wikimedia.org (disambiguation). On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? I've noticed that http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ redirects to http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page If I remember correctly the first domain was the address of the old Wikimedia UK, and that the second was created by the new chapter. I'd say the .org.uk address is definitely much more recognizable as belonging to a UK organisation, while the uk.wikimedia.org is more confusing; furthermore, being a foundation-owned domain (at least I guess), there may be the issue of the separation of WMF and WM-UK. As regards the confusion between language and country codes, I remember that the Breton wikipedia (br-wp) used to receive a lot of materials in Portuguese from people from Brazil (citation needed), whose country code is .br. This is not really up to us, just wanted to point it out. Cruccone ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hi Jon, Thanks a lot for promt and informative (so valuable) input. Regarding Wikipedias follow the ISO 639 language code standard and The chapter sites, however, use the ISO 3166 standard for country codes, all WPs and all chapters have to do that very strictly and same way, aren't they (that's us ;) ) ? Regarding ... our usage however mirrors that of the country code top level domainshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain seems not really applicable to situation except for http://wikimedia.org.uk which is not disputable same as http://wikimedia.org.uk (yes, again same as :) ) So it seems logical (including Nikola Smolenski thought) that one and only fair usage for http://uk.wikimedia.org is to serve for placement of informative disabiguation page as ... uk is unused; 2009/7/22 Jon Harald Søby jhs...@gmail.com: Wikipedias follow the ISO 639 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639language code standard, where uk is the code for the Ukrainian language. The chapter sites, however, use the ISO 3166http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166standard for country codes, and ua is the code for the country of Ukraine. (There is however the fact that the ISO 3166 code for the United Kingdom is gb, while uk is unused; our usage however mirrors that of the country code top level domainshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain .) 2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn%27t_it_ ? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Cruccone, I can confirm what you've said about Brazilian Portuguese, although I don't know that I'd characterise it as a lot. Back in older times before there was much Breton content there, the domain was squatted by people who would have liked to have a separate WP for Brazilian Portuguese (instead of using pt-wp for all varieties) but I think there were perhaps a maximum of about 50 articles in Portuguese. A similar situation occurred with Swiss German material at ch-wp (intended for the Chamorro language) Mark On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Marco Chiesachiesa.ma...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? I've noticed that http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ redirects to http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page If I remember correctly the first domain was the address of the old Wikimedia UK, and that the second was created by the new chapter. I'd say the .org.uk address is definitely much more recognizable as belonging to a UK organisation, while the uk.wikimedia.org is more confusing; furthermore, being a foundation-owned domain (at least I guess), there may be the issue of the separation of WMF and WM-UK. As regards the confusion between language and country codes, I remember that the Breton wikipedia (br-wp) used to receive a lot of materials in Portuguese from people from Brazil (citation needed), whose country code is .br. This is not really up to us, just wanted to point it out. Cruccone ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Wikimedia Serbia and Serbian language projects have similar problem with Suriname: The code for Serbian language is sr, while the code for Serbia is rs. It is interesting that .sr code was one of the preferred codes for some Serbian sites for a long time: it is free and for a long time Serbia used .yu. So, sr.wikipedia.org is the proper name for Wikipedia in Serbian. rs.wikimedia.org is the proper name for Wikimedia Serbia site. However, we have a mailing list wikimediasr-l, which is used as a generic public list for all projects in Serbian, not for Wikimedia Serbia. And in some not so near future we'll have to solve this. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Yes same issue for Sinhala (of Sri Lanka) and the country code for Slovenia - SI or Burmese and Malaysia - MY or Virgin Islands and Vietnamese - VI. I'm sure there are several other cases as well. Mark On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia Serbia and Serbian language projects have similar problem with Suriname: The code for Serbian language is sr, while the code for Serbia is rs. It is interesting that .sr code was one of the preferred codes for some Serbian sites for a long time: it is free and for a long time Serbia used .yu. So, sr.wikipedia.org is the proper name for Wikipedia in Serbian. rs.wikimedia.org is the proper name for Wikimedia Serbia site. However, we have a mailing list wikimediasr-l, which is used as a generic public list for all projects in Serbian, not for Wikimedia Serbia. And in some not so near future we'll have to solve this. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
I'm sure there are several other cases as well. I'm quite sure that was the main reason to pick this issue up to this mailing list. It seems that it's high time to create some page on Meta to place whole list there and to collect there precedents how such issue were solved. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote: Yes same issue for Sinhala (of Sri Lanka) and the country code for Slovenia - SI or Burmese and Malaysia - MY or Virgin Islands and Vietnamese - VI. I'm sure there are several other cases as well. Mark On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia Serbia and Serbian language projects have similar problem with Suriname: The code for Serbian language is sr, while the code for Serbia is rs. It is interesting that .sr code was one of the preferred codes for some Serbian sites for a long time: it is free and for a long time Serbia used .yu. So, sr.wikipedia.org is the proper name for Wikipedia in Serbian. rs.wikimedia.org is the proper name for Wikimedia Serbia site. However, we have a mailing list wikimediasr-l, which is used as a generic public list for all projects in Serbian, not for Wikimedia Serbia. And in some not so near future we'll have to solve this. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hoi, If you are going to solve this, then it is the cheapest not to wait. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com Wikimedia Serbia and Serbian language projects have similar problem with Suriname: The code for Serbian language is sr, while the code for Serbia is rs. It is interesting that .sr code was one of the preferred codes for some Serbian sites for a long time: it is free and for a long time Serbia used .yu. So, sr.wikipedia.org is the proper name for Wikipedia in Serbian. rs.wikimedia.org is the proper name for Wikimedia Serbia site. However, we have a mailing list wikimediasr-l, which is used as a generic public list for all projects in Serbian, not for Wikimedia Serbia. And in some not so near future we'll have to solve this. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
2009/7/22 Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? I've noticed that http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ redirects to http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page If I remember correctly the first domain was the address of the old Wikimedia UK, and that the second was created by the new chapter. I'd say the .org.uk address is definitely much more recognizable as belonging to a UK organisation, while the uk.wikimedia.org is more confusing; furthermore, being a foundation-owned domain (at least I guess), there may be the issue of the separation of WMF and WM-UK. At the moment the site is hosted by the WMF so is at a WMF domain, our domain redirects to that. At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. It might make sense to put a note at the top of the main page linking to the Ukrainian Wikipedia. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
... At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. I don't get it why elimination depends on hosting. Anyhow is it possible to have some explicit estimation about when at some point could happen? It might make sense to put a note at the top of the main page linking to the Ukrainian Wikipedia. I do believe that it's both quite possible and useful to put such note at the top of Wikimedia UK main page let me ask one sorta side question: Now, when Wikimedia UK wiki is hosted on WMF resources you have a luxury of SUL support. Do you have any idea whether it will be still possible when you will move to your own server(s)? On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/22 Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? I've noticed that http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ redirects to http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page If I remember correctly the first domain was the address of the old Wikimedia UK, and that the second was created by the new chapter. I'd say the .org.uk address is definitely much more recognizable as belonging to a UK organisation, while the uk.wikimedia.org is more confusing; furthermore, being a foundation-owned domain (at least I guess), there may be the issue of the separation of WMF and WM-UK. At the moment the site is hosted by the WMF so is at a WMF domain, our domain redirects to that. At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. It might make sense to put a note at the top of the main page linking to the Ukrainian Wikipedia. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com: ... At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. I don't get it why elimination depends on hosting. I'm not sure how the WMF servers are set up, it might be possible to direct our domain directly at their servers... Worth looking into. Anyhow is it possible to have some explicit estimation about when at some point could happen? Not really. It depends on both when we have the funds to do it (hopefully in the next year) and when we feel we would gain significantly from it (which could be longer - at the moment the WMF's setup works perfectly well for us). let me ask one sorta side question: Now, when Wikimedia UK wiki is hosted on WMF resources you have a luxury of SUL support. Do you have any idea whether it will be still possible when you will move to your own server(s)? Good question. I don't know. I would guess not - it would require our servers to have a connection to the WMF database server... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
I don't get it why elimination depends on hosting. I'm not sure how the WMF servers are set up, it might be possible to direct our domain directly at their servers... Worth looking into. Please look into as move to own servers will not be in nearest weeks. As to the best of my understanding: * domain name management is separate (from hosting) thing. * technically both uk.wikimedia.org and wikimedia.org.uk are very similar things. Now (according to your explanation) uk.wikimedia.org is linked to your chapter wiki (using IP address I guess), while wikimedia.org.uk is redirection to former. There should not be any real problem to link wikimedia.org.uk directly to Wikimedia UK chapter wiki (wherever it's hosted). On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com: ... At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. I don't get it why elimination depends on hosting. I'm not sure how the WMF servers are set up, it might be possible to direct our domain directly at their servers... Worth looking into. Anyhow is it possible to have some explicit estimation about when at some point could happen? Not really. It depends on both when we have the funds to do it (hopefully in the next year) and when we feel we would gain significantly from it (which could be longer - at the moment the WMF's setup works perfectly well for us). let me ask one sorta side question: Now, when Wikimedia UK wiki is hosted on WMF resources you have a luxury of SUL support. Do you have any idea whether it will be still possible when you will move to your own server(s)? Good question. I don't know. I would guess not - it would require our servers to have a connection to the WMF database server... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hi Pavlo, I'm glad this issue has risen up here and I'm sure the United Kingdom and Ukraine chapters can come up with something together that solves this rather - Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 10:26:02 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com: There should not be any real problem to link wikimedia.org.uk directly to Wikimedia UK chapter wiki (wherever it's hosted). It depends on how the WMF has everything set up. They have a complicated setup for hosting multiple wikis, it may well be hard-coded that they all use the WMF domains. I'm cross-posting this to wikitech-l, hopefully someone there can clarify the situation. Can a wiki hosted on the WMF servers use a non-WMF domain? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
- Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu wrote: I suggest a hatnote on the main page of the site: This is the website of Wikimedia United Kingdom. For other uses, see uk.wikimedia.org (disambiguation). I've added a hatnote in the meantime redirecting users to UK-WP and WM-UA. -- Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hi Pavlo, I'm glad this issue has risen up here and I'm sure the United Kingdom and Ukraine chapters can come up with something together that solves this to both chapters satisfaction. Could we take this offline and start a bilateral discussion rather than doing this via an open mailing list. Regards, Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. - Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 10:26:02 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hi Andrew, Could we take this offline and start a bilateral discussion rather than doing this via an open mailing list. Shure, we *have to* :) do so No sense to bother everybody by details. Pavlo Shevelo On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Andrew Turveyandrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Pavlo, I'm glad this issue has risen up here and I'm sure the United Kingdom and Ukraine chapters can come up with something together that solves this to both chapters satisfaction. Could we take this offline and start a bilateral discussion rather than doing this via an open mailing list. Regards, Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. - Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 10:26:02 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pavlo Shevelo wrote: Hi Andrew, Could we take this offline and start a bilateral discussion rather than doing this via an open mailing list. Shure, we *have to* :) do so No sense to bother everybody by details. Pavlo Shevelo How about a new mailing list. Wikimedia-uk-uk-l ? - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkpnbbMACgkQyQg4JSymDYn7oQCeL+p3WSIU7rng9sqjvuBZlTOz eX0An1p00S90+NmF0D2IECmUz2iNYHbc =IcGA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
How about a new mailing list. Wikimedia-uk-uk-l ? What for? (: To arrange mailing between two chapters? :) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Cary Bassc...@wikimedia.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pavlo Shevelo wrote: Hi Andrew, Could we take this offline and start a bilateral discussion rather than doing this via an open mailing list. Shure, we *have to* :) do so No sense to bother everybody by details. Pavlo Shevelo How about a new mailing list. Wikimedia-uk-uk-l ? - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkpnbbMACgkQyQg4JSymDYn7oQCeL+p3WSIU7rng9sqjvuBZlTOz eX0An1p00S90+NmF0D2IECmUz2iNYHbc =IcGA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Pavlo Shevelo wrote: How about a new mailing list. Wikimedia-uk-uk-l ? What for? (: To arrange mailing between two chapters? :) I meant for my post to be humours, but I failed to include my :-) ! -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
