Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
Noein wrote: Oh Kubla Khan! Jorge Luis Borges was fond of the palace's story and the poem. Thank you for your hard work. Given Borges's English ancestry among the erudites of the Haslam family it would not surprise me to find Coleridge walking in that door. Ray ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
geni wrote: On 22 June 2010 01:25, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Jeffrey Peters wrote: Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortalit y http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan Neither article appears to be written in Simple English (or whatever the Simple English Wikipedia has contrived to mean Simple English). MZMcBride I assume Ottava is using the pages in question as a holding ground until they can be moved over to en. If you really need to know the details see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Ottava_Rima_restrictions#Ottava_Rima_banned But the short version is that in an environment full of people with poor social skill's Ottava's approach to interactions has caused problems. Good content editor mind. After taking a quick look at the incomprehensible and opaque dispute that took place, I do agree that adding this material to Simple seems to be an act of self-preservation. The kind of detailed scholarship in them does not accord with my own vision of Simple. While articles on key tidbits of English literature deserve a place in Simple, one must ever be mindful that the potential audience has an even more limited apprehension of English literary history than of the English language. That said, these articles, as worthy as anything that might be found in PMLA, do have a place somewhere in the wiki family, even if the rules against original research may not make them suitable for Wikipedia itself. If we accept as a premise that these articles constitute original research, what is the best place for them? Good original research is only too quickly distorted when subject to multiple edits by different individuals with divergent perspectives until it is refined into the coherence of a Jehovah's Witness tract. Perhaps a new project is needed where the integrity of the original contribution is retained, and future modifications remain the sole right of the oriuginal contributor. These essays would still be available for comment criticism and peer review in associated pages. Sj's thread on citation bias in the medical field struck a chord in me. It makes me wonder how we might be able to do peer review better than the academic establishment. Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
Dear List, My name is Jeffrey Peters, a professional researcher who is currently working on my dissertation (dealing with Romantic poetry) and in addition Masters in Classical Lit. I am writing to you today to announce the donation of two fully written pages on two important poems of the English language: Wordsworth's *Ode: Intimations of Immortality* and Coleridge's *Kubla Khan*. Their current pages are almost stub level and contain many errors and problems. Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortality http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan I only checked the Khubla Khan article, which Sj already moved to en.wp, and it seems to be a great piece of work. Are you going to add info about translations? I guess I would be able to dig out some information about Russian translations (see http://wikilivres.info/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0_%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%BD_%28%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B6_-_%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%29), but since I am not at all a philologist it obviously can not be at the same level as the article itself. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
On 22 June 2010 01:05, Jeffrey Peters 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: My name is Jeffrey Peters, a professional researcher who is currently working on my dissertation (dealing with Romantic poetry) and in addition Masters in Classical Lit [snip] Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortality http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan So are Jeffrey and Ottava the same people? The message is written as if from an outsider, but Ottava is far from that. AGK ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
Dear Ray Saintonge, Not one bit of those articles constitutes original research. It is 100% cited to highly reliable third party sources. They are exact summaries of thousands of pages of source material. Furthermore, Simple English is about the use of simple language to convey encyclopedic content, not simple material and stop at anything more complex. We provide material for those who lack advanced English language skills, but this does not mean they lack mental faculties. As I said, its language has not yet been simplified, as that is the end of the process before it is put into mainspace there. Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: After taking a quick look at the incomprehensible and opaque dispute that took place, I do agree that adding this material to Simple seems to be an act of self-preservation. The kind of detailed scholarship in them does not accord with my own vision of Simple. While articles on key tidbits of English literature deserve a place in Simple, one must ever be mindful that the potential audience has an even more limited apprehension of English literary history than of the English language. That said, these articles, as worthy as anything that might be found in PMLA, do have a place somewhere in the wiki family, even if the rules against original research may not make them suitable for Wikipedia itself. If we accept as a premise that these articles constitute original research, what is the best place for them? Good original research is only too quickly distorted when subject to multiple edits by different individuals with divergent perspectives until it is refined into the coherence of a Jehovah's Witness tract. Perhaps a new project is needed where the integrity of the original contribution is retained, and future modifications remain the sole right of the oriuginal contributor. These essays would still be available for comment criticism and peer review in associated pages. Sj's thread on citation bias in the medical field struck a chord in me. It makes me wonder how we might be able to do peer review better than the academic establishment. Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
Dear AGK, I think it is safe to say that I have always been an outsider at Wikipedia. Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:24 AM, AGK wiki...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 June 2010 01:05, Jeffrey Peters 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: My name is Jeffrey Peters, a professional researcher who is currently working on my dissertation (dealing with Romantic poetry) and in addition Masters in Classical Lit [snip] Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortality http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan So are Jeffrey and Ottava the same people? The message is written as if from an outsider, but Ottava is far from that. AGK ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
Dear Ray Saintonge, Not one bit of those articles constitutes original research. It is 100% cited to highly reliable third party sources. They are exact summaries of thousands of pages of source material. Furthermore, Simple English is about the use of simple language to convey encyclopedic content, not simple material and stop at anything more complex. We provide material for those who lack advanced English language skills, but this does not mean they lack mental faculties. As I said, its language has not yet been simplified, as that is the end of the process before it is put into mainspace there. Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: geni wrote: On 22 June 2010 01:25, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Jeffrey Peters wrote: Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortalit y http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan Neither article appears to be written in Simple English (or whatever the Simple English Wikipedia has contrived to mean Simple English). MZMcBride I assume Ottava is using the pages in question as a holding ground until they can be moved over to en. If you really need to know the details see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Ottava_Rima_restrictions#Ottava_Rima_banned But the short version is that in an environment full of people with poor social skill's Ottava's approach to interactions has caused problems. Good content editor mind. After taking a quick look at the incomprehensible and opaque dispute that took place, I do agree that adding this material to Simple seems to be an act of self-preservation. The kind of detailed scholarship in them does not accord with my own vision of Simple. While articles on key tidbits of English literature deserve a place in Simple, one must ever be mindful that the potential audience has an even more limited apprehension of English literary history than of the English language. That said, these articles, as worthy as anything that might be found in PMLA, do have a place somewhere in the wiki family, even if the rules against original research may not make them suitable for Wikipedia itself. If we accept as a premise that these articles constitute original research, what is the best place for them? Good original research is only too quickly distorted when subject to multiple edits by different individuals with divergent perspectives until it is refined into the coherence of a Jehovah's Witness tract. Perhaps a new project is needed where the integrity of the original contribution is retained, and future modifications remain the sole right of the oriuginal contributor. These essays would still be available for comment criticism and peer review in associated pages. Sj's thread on citation bias in the medical field struck a chord in me. It makes me wonder how we might be able to do peer review better than the academic establishment. Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
Dear List, My name is Jeffrey Peters, a professional researcher who is currently working on my dissertation (dealing with Romantic poetry) and in addition Masters in Classical Lit. I am writing to you today to announce the donation of two fully written pages on two important poems of the English language: Wordsworth's *Ode: Intimations of Immortality* and Coleridge's *Kubla Khan*. Their current pages are almost stub level and contain many errors and problems. Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortality http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan The above are works of love, and I dedicated dozens of hours at multiple DC university libraries compiling research that, as far as I can tell, cannot be found elsewhere in such a complete and concise form in print or on the internet. I have provided my time and abilities to produce the page for the betterment of the WMF and Wikipedia as a whole. I do so because of four individuals who have inspired me over the last year: Jimbo Wales (for his dedication to the idea of a free and complete encyclopedia), Samuel Klein (for his dedication to the projects and valiant effort to ensure high quality), Cary Bass (for the massive amount of time he puts in ensuring that volunteers are able to succeed), and Philippe Beaudette (for striving to make the WMF more academic friendly). Previously, I donated the material for Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard but I did not compile one whole page with every aspect but included material in a piecemeal fashion. This did not work as well as I hoped, so I put in the additional effort to ensure that the pages can be considered complete, though they may need additional minor copyedits to remove any final errors. I hope that my donation today will aid Wikipedia's continuing quest to provide a free and educational encyclopedia, and I hope that the level of effort and critical eye, to an extent that appears unrivaled in any current poetry page (even in my previous works), will attract more people to Wikipedia who shall do the same. Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
Jeffrey Peters wrote: Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortalit y http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan Neither article appears to be written in Simple English (or whatever the Simple English Wikipedia has contrived to mean Simple English). MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
On 22 June 2010 01:25, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Jeffrey Peters wrote: Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortalit y http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan Neither article appears to be written in Simple English (or whatever the Simple English Wikipedia has contrived to mean Simple English). MZMcBride I assume Ottava is using the pages in question as a holding ground until they can be moved over to en. If you really need to know the details see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Ottava_Rima_restrictions#Ottava_Rima_banned But the short version is that in an environment full of people with poor social skill's Ottava's approach to interactions has caused problems. Good content editor mind. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
Dear MZMcBride, As you can see from *The Author's Farce* ( http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Author's_Farce), I work first by writing a standard page then simplify it. It is currently at the 11th grade level, which is actually below many Simple English DYK noms that I have simplified from other people before to allow them to proceed. It would be difficult to write a scholarly work straight into Simple English, but, as I have shown, it is easy to write it first in standard scholarly language them simplify. I would like to ask more writers of quality content on the standard Wikipedia to simplify their material, after returning to the sources to make sure the simplifcation falls within the source material, so that Simple English will have more high quality pages. Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Jeffrey Peters wrote: Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortalit y http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan Neither article appears to be written in Simple English (or whatever the Simple English Wikipedia has contrived to mean Simple English). MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Jeffrey Peters 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: .. I would like to ask more writers of quality content on the standard Wikipedia to simplify their material, after returning to the sources to make sure the simplifcation falls within the source material, so that Simple English will have more high quality pages. I would like more people who care about plays printed in 1730 to scan and transcribe them... ;-) -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oh Kubla Khan! Jorge Luis Borges was fond of the palace's story and the poem. Thank you for your hard work. On 22/06/2010 02:05, Jeffrey Peters wrote: Dear List, My name is Jeffrey Peters, a professional researcher who is currently working on my dissertation (dealing with Romantic poetry) and in addition Masters in Classical Lit. I am writing to you today to announce the donation of two fully written pages on two important poems of the English language: Wordsworth's *Ode: Intimations of Immortality* and Coleridge's *Kubla Khan*. Their current pages are almost stub level and contain many errors and problems. Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortality http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan The above are works of love, and I dedicated dozens of hours at multiple DC university libraries compiling research that, as far as I can tell, cannot be found elsewhere in such a complete and concise form in print or on the internet. I have provided my time and abilities to produce the page for the betterment of the WMF and Wikipedia as a whole. I do so because of four individuals who have inspired me over the last year: Jimbo Wales (for his dedication to the idea of a free and complete encyclopedia), Samuel Klein (for his dedication to the projects and valiant effort to ensure high quality), Cary Bass (for the massive amount of time he puts in ensuring that volunteers are able to succeed), and Philippe Beaudette (for striving to make the WMF more academic friendly). Previously, I donated the material for Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard but I did not compile one whole page with every aspect but included material in a piecemeal fashion. This did not work as well as I hoped, so I put in the additional effort to ensure that the pages can be considered complete, though they may need additional minor copyedits to remove any final errors. I hope that my donation today will aid Wikipedia's continuing quest to provide a free and educational encyclopedia, and I hope that the level of effort and critical eye, to an extent that appears unrivaled in any current poetry page (even in my previous works), will attract more people to Wikipedia who shall do the same. Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMICqBAAoJEHCAuDvx9Z6LAooH/i35RV7GdKN+IByqbbDBwrJt mMrUNqCLfEwn1PWw29ld9d0nyCWsZK/cc+390lguipIdRn1hyNnX8yuhjomv9OOb LnE6ZfpHIf9wUNhgUPHuol0/CHPu/Re6QP1euRm+Qpbtg+Hhhh9j/JNbkb+CyaHK UGyiu/iIVVPeDDxBHo4TcoCfE30t2/2osr5im3ykZVUA7FnWVEH1ORIelPNuBkRz dVjMqISyDqFzt2GSfLrfzj0YPeRlQI9m5aYENdFVS0JipusnKTTPY6VO6RKC7nhu bOs+HA80Xw9qXHrRKMaoTn+PaWFdlQg0OCz+LK4UIJaC2PJWVaJSGz1t87YaFlI= =BFvU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Jeffrey Peters 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: Dear List, My name is Jeffrey Peters, a professional researcher who is currently working on my dissertation (dealing with Romantic poetry) and in addition Masters in Classical Lit. I am writing to you today to announce the donation of two fully written pages on two important poems of the English language: Wordsworth's *Ode: Intimations of Immortality* and Coleridge's *Kubla Khan*. Their current pages are almost stub level and contain many errors and problems. Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortality http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan Delightful. Thank you, Jeffrey - I hope you don't mind them being used to update en:wp as well. And I agree that Simple Wikipedia deserves more involvement from the community as a whole, and from expert writers in particular. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems
THANK YOU . RANDY R. PARR HAVE A NICE D. -Original Message- From: Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: 21-Jun-2010 23:26:13 + Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Jeffrey Peters 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: Dear List, My name is Jeffrey Peters, a professional researcher who is currently working on my dissertation (dealing with Romantic poetry) and in addition Masters in Classical Lit. I am writing to you today to announce the donation of two fully written pages on two important poems of the English language: Wordsworth's *Ode: Intimations of Immortality* and Coleridge's *Kubla Khan*. Their current pages are almost stub level and contain many errors and problems. Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortality http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ottava_Rima/Kubla_Khan Delightful. Thank you, Jeffrey - I hope you don't mind them being used to update en:wp as well. And I agree that Simple Wikipedia deserves more involvement from the community as a whole, and from expert writers in particular. SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
