Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Casey Brown]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Andrew Garrett  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Casey Brown  wrote:
>> It would be a good idea for someone to make a list of things that need
>> to be done/were done to make your job easier in the future.
>> Pathoschild, do you remember what was done in the past?  Could you
>> start such a list? :-)
>
> http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/SecurePoll#Email_spam

<3

You're awesome, Andrew.  This is exactly what we needed.  It looks
like you covered everything mentioned in this thread too.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Andrew Garrett]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Casey Brown  wrote:
> It would be a good idea for someone to make a list of things that need
> to be done/were done to make your job easier in the future.
> Pathoschild, do you remember what was done in the past?  Could you
> start such a list? :-)

http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/SecurePoll#Email_spam

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[KTC]

Before I start, can I just point out these exact same issues was 
discussed on this list during the last Board election 2 years ago

On 14/06/2011 16:38, Casey Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Andrew Garrett  
> wrote:
>>> 1. I already voted. It may be a good idea to send this only to people
>>> who didn't.
>>
>> I don't think this is possible.
>
> I think Pathoschild did it in the past and he was able to remove
> people who voted already, who didn't meet requirements, who were bots,
> etc.

Well, I was the one who sent the email back in 2008. Pathoschild (I 
believe) was the committee member who took on the action to get it sent 
in 2009, but I think it was Werdna that actually sent it.

> It would be a good idea for someone to make a list of things that need
> to be done/were done to make your job easier in the future.
> Pathoschild, do you remember what was done in the past?  Could you
> start such a list? :-)

And I wrote precisely such email to this list 2 years ago 


In 2008, one of the sysadmin build a filter list of accounts matching 
the edit requirements, from which all blocked & bot flagged account was 
removed to create the list of eligible voters. For the email list, all 
accounts with no or obviously invalid entry for email address was 
removed, and (this was pre-SUL) home project was chosen for accounts 
sharing the same email address by picking the account with the most 
edits, preferring language specific project over multi-language one 
(e.g. Commons).

And just before I started sending the emails, I took out those emails 
corresponding to accounts that had voted up to that point. Obviously, 
with such an approach, those that voted after I looked up the voted list 
still got an email but it eliminated most people that voted already 
getting an email.

KTC

/me wait another 2 years to see if it makes any difference

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Casey Brown]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Andrew Garrett  wrote:
>> 1. I already voted. It may be a good idea to send this only to people
>> who didn't.
>
> I don't think this is possible.

I think Pathoschild did it in the past and he was able to remove
people who voted already, who didn't meet requirements, who were bots,
etc.

It would be a good idea for someone to make a list of things that need
to be done/were done to make your job easier in the future.
Pathoschild, do you remember what was done in the past?  Could you
start such a list? :-)

(Btw, thanks to Andrew for doing the e-mail!)

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Sarah, 11/06/2011 21:54:
> Also, looking at the elections e-mail again, it links to a page that,
> so far as I can see, doesn't tell people where to go to vote, except
> for those most active on meta.

It says «Go to the wiki page "Special:Securepoll" on one wiki you 
qualify to vote from». Could be easier, but we have also non unified 
accounts.

Nemo

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Sarah]

Also, looking at the elections e-mail again, it links to a page that,
so far as I can see, doesn't tell people where to go to vote, except
for those most active on meta.

Sarah

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Sarah]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 21:03, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:
> On 10/06/2011 5:55 PM, Sarah wrote:
>> [...] that the software is actively inviting all accounts that meet
>> those requirements, it means we're alerting all the socks that they're
>> able to vote. They might otherwise not even have remembered some of
>> the accounts the software is reminding them of.
>>
>> This is just not a good idea.
>
>
> You are begging a number of questions:
> - that the proportion of socks accounts is significant to begin with
> - that many of those sock accounts will vote because of the reminder that
>   otherwise would not have
> - that the number of resulting fraudulent votes will be more significant
>   than the number of *valid* votes the email will have generated; and
> - that even a statistically significant number of sock votes would
>   overweight the benefits of the increased voter turnout.
>
> I don't believe any of those presumptions are valid.
>
> -- Coren / Marc

Marc, what I'm saying is that these are all unknowables.

We don't know how many editors we have, as opposed to accounts, not
even roughly. If we want to move toward good governance, we ought to
try to determine how many individual editors there are; how to make
sure people are members of the community in a substantive sense before
asking for their votes; then how to make reasonably sure that each
person votes once.

There seems to be a sense that quantity of votes is what matters,
regardless of where they come from. I'm unclear why numbers alone
would matter so much.

Sarah

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Fajro, 11/06/2011 19:13:
> 2011/6/11 Béria Lima:
>> why try to increase participation is sad, Fajro?
>
> The lousy performance of the committee is sad.

What did /you/ do?

Nemo

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Fajro]

2011/6/11 Béria Lima :
> why try to increase participation is sad, Fajro?

The lousy performance of the committee is sad.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Béria Lima]

>
> 2011/6/11 Fajro 
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Milos Rancic  wrote:
>
> > Election committee did what is in their power to increase participation.
>
> That's sad.
>

why try to increase participation is sad, Fajro?
_
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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Fajro]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Milos Rancic  wrote:

> Election committee did what is in their power to increase participation.

That's sad.

:(

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Mike Dupont]

Well thanks for the invite, and I voted.

Same here two invites, and also I got the mail a little late, cause the
voting is already half over.

I blogged about this as well
http://undeletewikipedia.blogspot.com/2011/06/funny-voting-for-wikimedia-board-of.html

mike

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Sarah  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:16, Béria Lima  wrote:
> > I receveid two mails:
> >
> > 1. To my main account (Beria) in portuguese.
> >
> > 2. To one of my bot accounts, in english.
> >
> > So, i will guess that the language is chosen based in the home wiki (my
> bot
> > has more edits in en.wiki than in pt.wiki)
> > _
>
> I also received two invitations to vote, including to a little-used
> alternative account, one that is obviously mine from the name. This
> suggests among other things that the minimum voting requirements must
> be pretty low.
>
> Sarah
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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 10/06/2011 5:55 PM, Sarah wrote:
> [...] that the software is actively inviting all accounts that meet
> those requirements, it means we're alerting all the socks that they're
> able to vote. They might otherwise not even have remembered some of
> the accounts the software is reminding them of.
>
> This is just not a good idea.


You are begging a number of questions:
- that the proportion of socks accounts is significant to begin with
- that many of those sock accounts will vote because of the reminder that
   otherwise would not have
- that the number of resulting fraudulent votes will be more significant
   than the number of *valid* votes the email will have generated; and
- that even a statistically significant number of sock votes would
   overweight the benefits of the increased voter turnout.

I don't believe any of those presumptions are valid.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[KIZU Naoko]

Oh wait,

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Andrew Garrett  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Yann Forget  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I also received one, with
>>
>> {{GENDER:Yann|Cher|Chère|Cher/Chère}} Yann,
>>
>> Well, is this an attempt to be politically correct for BTGL? ;o)
>
> Ha, looks like we need to give better instructions to the translators
> next time :-)


I don't think this syntax goes globally. In Japanese for instance
honorific titles should follow the name, not precede. Same may happen
in other languages, I guess in Chinese too.

Even if it sounds rude, better to omit these and go straight?

My home wiki should have determined as somewhere en or meta, so I got
one English mail and only. I don't know how it went really in Japanese
... So my proposal comes from only an assumption, but this kind of
cultural and linguistically varied things is hard to generalize.

Cheers,



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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Milos Rancic]

On 06/10/2011 11:55 PM, Sarah wrote:
> 2011/6/10 Jon Harald Søby :
>> As Shane said, there are built-in features in the SecurePoll software
>> that help us to control for sockpuppeting, so we are pretty safe.
>> Sockpuppeting in a large enough scale to influence an election of this
>> size would also be very difficult to pull through, and practically
>> impossible to do undetected.
> 
> Jon, there's no built-in feature in the software that will tell you
> account A is someone voting from home, and account B is the same
> person voting from an internet cafe a block away.

If I wouldn't pass this time, the next one I'll ask you to become my
campaign manager ;) Obviously, you know what should be done ;)

> This is always the case. But add to it (a) requiring only 300 edits
> across all the projects in 10 years, just 20 since November 2010, and
> (b) that the software is actively inviting all accounts that meet
> those requirements, it means we're alerting all the socks that they're
> able to vote. They might otherwise not even have remembered some of
> the accounts the software is reminding them of.
> 
> This is just not a good idea.

According to the present situation (email sent three days before the end
of elections), I think that we are pretty safe. Besides that, we don't
have any really problematic candidate, like it was on previous elections.

Besides that, participation in elections was lower in 2009 than in 2008,
which means that we need more voters. Election committee did what is in
their power to increase participation. That's about lowering
requirements, sending emails and similar. And, yes, that's not the best
way, but Election committee didn't have much more tools.

The best way is to do structural work to increase [constructive]
participation in decision-making processes out of hot topics on Wikipedias.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Sarah]

2011/6/10 Jon Harald Søby :
> As Shane said, there are built-in features in the SecurePoll software
> that help us to control for sockpuppeting, so we are pretty safe.
> Sockpuppeting in a large enough scale to influence an election of this
> size would also be very difficult to pull through, and practically
> impossible to do undetected.

Jon, there's no built-in feature in the software that will tell you
account A is someone voting from home, and account B is the same
person voting from an internet cafe a block away.

This is always the case. But add to it (a) requiring only 300 edits
across all the projects in 10 years, just 20 since November 2010, and
(b) that the software is actively inviting all accounts that meet
those requirements, it means we're alerting all the socks that they're
able to vote. They might otherwise not even have remembered some of
the accounts the software is reminding them of.

This is just not a good idea.

Sarah

>
> 2011/6/11, Sarah :
>>> On 10 June 2011 22:19, Sarah  wrote:
 I've received two invitations to vote -- also both at the same e-mail
 address -- so all I'd have to do now (if it were a user name that
 didn't make it obvious it was mine) is go somewhere else to vote. And
 given how low the voting requirements are the software must be sending
 out multiple invitations to quite a few people.

 I can't see how it benefits the project to have multiple accounts
 voting that only need to have made 300 edits and 20 recent ones, and a
 kind bot that reminds them of all the eligible account names. We're
 shooting ourselves in the foot with this, surely.

>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 15:29, Thomas Morton
>>  wrote:
>>> Perhaps. Although with that said nearly 1000 people have voted today -
>>> compared to between 100-200 on the previous days (excepting the 29th,
>>> first
>>> day, which had about 600-800). So it's a case of; is the risk worth the
>>> reward?
>>>
>> It's more than a risk, though, it's a certainty that the software is
>> inviting multiple alternate/sock accounts to vote. And there's no way
>> of knowing what the percentage is. So the cost/benefit can't be
>> addressed, because we have no figures.
>>
>> Sarah
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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Jon Harald Søby]

As Shane said, there are built-in features in the SecurePoll software
that help us to control for sockpuppeting, so we are pretty safe.
Sockpuppeting in a large enough scale to influence an election of this
size would also be very difficult to pull through, and practically
impossible to do undetected.

2011/6/11, Sarah :
>> On 10 June 2011 22:19, Sarah  wrote:
>>> I've received two invitations to vote -- also both at the same e-mail
>>> address -- so all I'd have to do now (if it were a user name that
>>> didn't make it obvious it was mine) is go somewhere else to vote. And
>>> given how low the voting requirements are the software must be sending
>>> out multiple invitations to quite a few people.
>>>
>>> I can't see how it benefits the project to have multiple accounts
>>> voting that only need to have made 300 edits and 20 recent ones, and a
>>> kind bot that reminds them of all the eligible account names. We're
>>> shooting ourselves in the foot with this, surely.
>>>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 15:29, Thomas Morton
>  wrote:
>> Perhaps. Although with that said nearly 1000 people have voted today -
>> compared to between 100-200 on the previous days (excepting the 29th,
>> first
>> day, which had about 600-800). So it's a case of; is the risk worth the
>> reward?
>>
> It's more than a risk, though, it's a certainty that the software is
> inviting multiple alternate/sock accounts to vote. And there's no way
> of knowing what the percentage is. So the cost/benefit can't be
> addressed, because we have no figures.
>
> Sarah
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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Sarah]

> On 10 June 2011 22:19, Sarah  wrote:
>> I've received two invitations to vote -- also both at the same e-mail
>> address -- so all I'd have to do now (if it were a user name that
>> didn't make it obvious it was mine) is go somewhere else to vote. And
>> given how low the voting requirements are the software must be sending
>> out multiple invitations to quite a few people.
>>
>> I can't see how it benefits the project to have multiple accounts
>> voting that only need to have made 300 edits and 20 recent ones, and a
>> kind bot that reminds them of all the eligible account names. We're
>> shooting ourselves in the foot with this, surely.
>>
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 15:29, Thomas Morton
 wrote:
> Perhaps. Although with that said nearly 1000 people have voted today -
> compared to between 100-200 on the previous days (excepting the 29th, first
> day, which had about 600-800). So it's a case of; is the risk worth the
> reward?
>
It's more than a risk, though, it's a certainty that the software is
inviting multiple alternate/sock accounts to vote. And there's no way
of knowing what the percentage is. So the cost/benefit can't be
addressed, because we have no figures.

Sarah

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Thomas Morton]

Perhaps. Although with that said nearly 1000 people have voted today -
compared to between 100-200 on the previous days (excepting the 29th, first
day, which had about 600-800). So it's a case of; is the risk worth the
reward?

Tom


On 10 June 2011 22:19, Sarah  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 14:38, Shane Simmons 
> wrote:
> > Well, the SecurePoll extension has multiple measures built-in that allow
> for
> > easy sock detection. It captures some data in addition to the username
> that
> > would help eliminate those votes.
> >
> > On a side note: would a simple check for duplicate emails be possible? I
> > received an email for my main and my alt account, which are registered
> with
> > the exact same email address. I'm not sure how the system would decide
> which
> > account gets the email (Perhaps highest edit count?), but I'm sure
> someone
> > could figure out something. :-)
> >
> I've received two invitations to vote -- also both at the same e-mail
> address -- so all I'd have to do now (if it were a user name that
> didn't make it obvious it was mine) is go somewhere else to vote. And
> given how low the voting requirements are the software must be sending
> out multiple invitations to quite a few people.
>
> I can't see how it benefits the project to have multiple accounts
> voting that only need to have made 300 edits and 20 recent ones, and a
> kind bot that reminds them of all the eligible account names. We're
> shooting ourselves in the foot with this, surely.
>
> Sarah
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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Sarah]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 14:38, Shane Simmons  wrote:
> Well, the SecurePoll extension has multiple measures built-in that allow for
> easy sock detection. It captures some data in addition to the username that
> would help eliminate those votes.
>
> On a side note: would a simple check for duplicate emails be possible? I
> received an email for my main and my alt account, which are registered with
> the exact same email address. I'm not sure how the system would decide which
> account gets the email (Perhaps highest edit count?), but I'm sure someone
> could figure out something. :-)
>
I've received two invitations to vote -- also both at the same e-mail
address -- so all I'd have to do now (if it were a user name that
didn't make it obvious it was mine) is go somewhere else to vote. And
given how low the voting requirements are the software must be sending
out multiple invitations to quite a few people.

I can't see how it benefits the project to have multiple accounts
voting that only need to have made 300 edits and 20 recent ones, and a
kind bot that reminds them of all the eligible account names. We're
shooting ourselves in the foot with this, surely.

Sarah

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Shane Simmons]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 13:58, Sarah  wrote:
>Thanks, Phoebe. That seems awfully low, and makes sockpuppetry a lot
>easier, particularly given that people's multiple accounts are being
>invited to vote.
Well, the SecurePoll extension has multiple measures built-in that allow for
easy sock detection. It captures some data in addition to the username that
would help eliminate those votes.

On a side note: would a simple check for duplicate emails be possible? I
received an email for my main and my alt account, which are registered with
the exact same email address. I'm not sure how the system would decide which
account gets the email (Perhaps highest edit count?), but I'm sure someone
could figure out something. :-)

--Avic
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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Florence Devouard]

On 6/10/11 3:30 PM, Yann Forget wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I also received one, with
>
> {{GENDER:Yann|Cher|Chère|Cher/Chère}} Yann,
>
> Well, is this an attempt to be politically correct for BTGL? ;o)
>
> Regards,
>
> Yann

Yes, this one was very cute :)

I also liked the

"Le comité directeur est l'organe de décision qui est  in fine  
responsable de la viabilité à long terme de la WMF"


Otherwise very disappointed because I got only one invitation :(((

Flo


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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Sarah]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:49, phoebe ayers  wrote:
> Hey Sarah -- the voting requirements are here --
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/en#Requirements
>
> 300 edits, 20 recent ones -- the requirements were roughly halved from
> the last elections. There's discussion about this on the talk page.
>
> -- phoebe

Thanks, Phoebe. That seems awfully low, and makes sockpuppetry a lot
easier, particularly given that people's multiple accounts are being
invited to vote.

Sarah

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[phoebe ayers]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Sarah  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:16, Béria Lima  wrote:
>> I receveid two mails:
>>
>> 1. To my main account (Beria) in portuguese.
>>
>> 2. To one of my bot accounts, in english.
>>
>> So, i will guess that the language is chosen based in the home wiki (my bot
>> has more edits in en.wiki than in pt.wiki)
>> _
>
> I also received two invitations to vote, including to a little-used
> alternative account, one that is obviously mine from the name. This
> suggests among other things that the minimum voting requirements must
> be pretty low.
>
> Sarah

Hey Sarah -- the voting requirements are here --
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/en#Requirements

300 edits, 20 recent ones -- the requirements were roughly halved from
the last elections. There's discussion about this on the talk page.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Sarah]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:16, Béria Lima  wrote:
> I receveid two mails:
>
> 1. To my main account (Beria) in portuguese.
>
> 2. To one of my bot accounts, in english.
>
> So, i will guess that the language is chosen based in the home wiki (my bot
> has more edits in en.wiki than in pt.wiki)
> _

I also received two invitations to vote, including to a little-used
alternative account, one that is obviously mine from the name. This
suggests among other things that the minimum voting requirements must
be pretty low.

Sarah

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Béria Lima]

I receveid two mails:

1. To my main account (Beria) in portuguese.

2. To one of my bot accounts, in english.

So, i will guess that the language is chosen based in the home wiki (my bot
has more edits in en.wiki than in pt.wiki)
_
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2011/6/10 Andrew Garrett 

> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Yann Forget  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I also received one, with
> >
> > {{GENDER:Yann|Cher|Chère|Cher/Chère}} Yann,
> >
> > Well, is this an attempt to be politically correct for BTGL? ;o)
>
> Ha, looks like we need to give better instructions to the translators
> next time :-)
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Andrew Garrett]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Yann Forget  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I also received one, with
>
> {{GENDER:Yann|Cher|Chère|Cher/Chère}} Yann,
>
> Well, is this an attempt to be politically correct for BTGL? ;o)

Ha, looks like we need to give better instructions to the translators
next time :-)

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I also received one, with

{{GENDER:Yann|Cher|Chère|Cher/Chère}} Yann,

Well, is this an attempt to be politically correct for BTGL? ;o)

Regards,

Yann

2011/6/10 Amir E. Aharoni :
> Hallo,
>
> I just received an email (see below) that invites me to participate in
> the elections.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Andrew Garrett]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Sarah  wrote:
> I was invited to vote too, as was a little-used alternative account of
> mine, one that's obviously mine from the name.

Sorry, there were 43,000 accounts to email. I've used SUL to filter
for duplicates, but we could hardly filter them for duplicates
manually :-).

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Sarah]

>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
>>  wrote:
>> > There are several technical issues with it:
>> >
>> > 1. I already voted. It may be a good idea to send this only to people
>> > who didn't.

I was invited to vote too, as was a little-used alternative account of
mine, one that's obviously mine from the name.

Sarah

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Lodewijk]

2011/6/10 Andrew Garrett 

> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
>  wrote:
> > There are several technical issues with it:
> >
> > 1. I already voted. It may be a good idea to send this only to people
> > who didn't.
>
> I don't think this is possible.
>

The list of accounts which have voted is publicly available. I assume you
could use that to eliminate accounts that have voted already? I guess there
might be a few false connections there, but you would be able to eliminate
most of the unnecessary emails.

Of course this problem would be less if the emails next time would be sent
at the beginning of the elections.


>
> > 2. The subject says "2009".
>
> Whoops. I updated everything except the subject.
>
> > 3. The email is sent in English and Hebrew. I don't know how did the
> > system find out that that is my preferred language, so it's a bit
> > weird, but in general i'm happy about this localization. There is
> > still a problem, however: since the text is bidirectional and this
> > email is sent in plain text, the Hebrew text is garbled and hardly
> > readable. One way to solve this is to send the email as HTML and to
> > define the Hebrew part as dir="rtl". This is relevant for all RTL
> > languages - Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashto, Divehi and many others.
>
> That's very good feedback, thanks for letting me know.
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Yaroslav M. Blanter]

>> I also got one, even though one of my accounts (to which is was sent)
is
>> globally blocked, and another one has an insufficient number of edits
and
>> both are thus ineligible to vote. I only got the e-mail in English, but
I
>> assume this is because I use English interface in all projects.
> 
> There were checks for regular blocks, but none for global blocks. I
> figured (inaccurately as it turns out) that globally blocked accounts
> were unlikely to qualify. :-)

I guess most of them indeed do not qualify, and I do not mind getting the
message.

Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Andrew Garrett]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter  wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:06:14 +0300, "Amir E. Aharoni"
>  wrote:
>> Hallo,
>>
>> I just received an email (see below) that invites me to participate in
>> the elections.
>>
>> There are several technical issues with it:
>>
>
> I also got one, even though one of my accounts (to which is was sent) is
> globally blocked, and another one has an insufficient number of edits and
> both are thus ineligible to vote. I only got the e-mail in English, but I
> assume this is because I use English interface in all projects.

There were checks for regular blocks, but none for global blocks. I
figured (inaccurately as it turns out) that globally blocked accounts
were unlikely to qualify. :-)

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Andrew Garrett]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
 wrote:
> There are several technical issues with it:
>
> 1. I already voted. It may be a good idea to send this only to people
> who didn't.

I don't think this is possible.

> 2. The subject says "2009".

Whoops. I updated everything except the subject.

> 3. The email is sent in English and Hebrew. I don't know how did the
> system find out that that is my preferred language, so it's a bit
> weird, but in general i'm happy about this localization. There is
> still a problem, however: since the text is bidirectional and this
> email is sent in plain text, the Hebrew text is garbled and hardly
> readable. One way to solve this is to send the email as HTML and to
> define the Hebrew part as dir="rtl". This is relevant for all RTL
> languages - Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashto, Divehi and many others.

That's very good feedback, thanks for letting me know.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Yaroslav M. Blanter]

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:06:14 +0300, "Amir E. Aharoni"
 wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> I just received an email (see below) that invites me to participate in
> the elections.
> 
> There are several technical issues with it:
> 

I also got one, even though one of my accounts (to which is was sent) is
globally blocked, and another one has an insufficient number of edits and
both are thus ineligible to vote. I only got the e-mail in English, but I
assume this is because I use English interface in all projects. 

Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Lodewijk]

I think it is based on your home project :) I voted from meta, but got an
email in Dutch - which is almost only on nlwiki my preferred language. I
made some other suggestions on how to improve the email next time, maybe it
would make sense to collect other suggestions there too:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Board_elections/2011#Email

Best regards,

Lodewijk

2011/6/10 Strainu 

> I think the system did NOT work for you :) It seems strange to send
> the same email in several languages. I only received it in Romanian. I
> think this is taken based on your language preferences (on meta?)
>
> Strainu
>
> 2011/6/10 Amir E. Aharoni :
> > Hallo,
> >
> > I just received an email (see below) that invites me to participate in
> > the elections.
> >
> > There are several technical issues with it:
> >
> > 1. I already voted. It may be a good idea to send this only to people
> > who didn't.
> >
> > 2. The subject says "2009".
> >
> > 3. The email is sent in English and Hebrew. I don't know how did the
> > system find out that that is my preferred language, so it's a bit
> > weird, but in general i'm happy about this localization. There is
> > still a problem, however: since the text is bidirectional and this
> > email is sent in plain text, the Hebrew text is garbled and hardly
> > readable. One way to solve this is to send the email as HTML and to
> > define the Hebrew part as dir="rtl". This is relevant for all RTL
> > languages - Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashto, Divehi and many others.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > --
> > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> > http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> > "We're living in pieces,
> >  I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
> >
> >
> > ‎הודעה שהועברה‎
> > מאת: Wikimedia Board Elections Committee ‎<
> board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org>‎
> > תאריך: 10 ביוני 2011 14:56
> > נושא: Wikimedia Foundation Elections 2009
> > אל: Amire80 ‫amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il‬
> >
> >
> > Dear Amire80,
> >
> > You are eligible to vote in the 2011 elections for the Board of
> > Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation, which operates projects such as
> > Wikipedia. The Board of Trustees is the decision-making body that is
> > ultimately responsible for the long term sustainability of the
> > Foundation, so we value wide input into its selection.
> >
> > For more information, please see
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/en . To remove
> > yourself from future notification, please add your user name at
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list .
> > 
> >
> > 
> > שלום Amire80,
> >
> > הנך זכאי להשתתף בבחירות 2011 לחבר הנאמנים של קרן ויקימדיה, המפעילה
> > מספר מיזמים כגון Wikipedia.
> > חבר הנאמנים הוא הגוף המחליט הנושא באחריות הכוללת לקיומה של הקרן בטווח
> > הארוך, ולכן אנו מקבלים בברכה השתתפות רחבה בבחירתו.
> >
> > למידע נוסף, אנא ראו please see
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/he . להסרת שמך
> > מקבלת הודעות דומות בעתיד, אנא צרפו את שמכם בדף
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Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

[Strainu]

I think the system did NOT work for you :) It seems strange to send
the same email in several languages. I only received it in Romanian. I
think this is taken based on your language preferences (on meta?)

Strainu

2011/6/10 Amir E. Aharoni :
> Hallo,
>
> I just received an email (see below) that invites me to participate in
> the elections.
>
> There are several technical issues with it:
>
> 1. I already voted. It may be a good idea to send this only to people
> who didn't.
>
> 2. The subject says "2009".
>
> 3. The email is sent in English and Hebrew. I don't know how did the
> system find out that that is my preferred language, so it's a bit
> weird, but in general i'm happy about this localization. There is
> still a problem, however: since the text is bidirectional and this
> email is sent in plain text, the Hebrew text is garbled and hardly
> readable. One way to solve this is to send the email as HTML and to
> define the Hebrew part as dir="rtl". This is relevant for all RTL
> languages - Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashto, Divehi and many others.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> "We're living in pieces,
>  I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
>
>
> ‎הודעה שהועברה‎
> מאת: Wikimedia Board Elections Committee 
> ‎‎
> תאריך: 10 ביוני 2011 14:56
> נושא: Wikimedia Foundation Elections 2009
> אל: Amire80 ‫amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il‬
>
>
> Dear Amire80,
>
> You are eligible to vote in the 2011 elections for the Board of
> Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation, which operates projects such as
> Wikipedia. The Board of Trustees is the decision-making body that is
> ultimately responsible for the long term sustainability of the
> Foundation, so we value wide input into its selection.
>
> For more information, please see
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/en . To remove
> yourself from future notification, please add your user name at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list .
> 
>
> 
> שלום Amire80,
>
> הנך זכאי להשתתף בבחירות 2011 לחבר הנאמנים של קרן ויקימדיה, המפעילה
> מספר מיזמים כגון Wikipedia.
> חבר הנאמנים הוא הגוף המחליט הנושא באחריות הכוללת לקיומה של הקרן בטווח
> הארוך, ולכן אנו מקבלים בברכה השתתפות רחבה בבחירתו.
>
> למידע נוסף, אנא ראו please see
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/he . להסרת שמך
> מקבלת הודעות דומות בעתיד, אנא צרפו את שמכם בדף
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list .
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[Foundation-l] Elections email

[Amir E. Aharoni]

Hallo,

I just received an email (see below) that invites me to participate in
the elections.

There are several technical issues with it:

1. I already voted. It may be a good idea to send this only to people
who didn't.

2. The subject says "2009".

3. The email is sent in English and Hebrew. I don't know how did the
system find out that that is my preferred language, so it's a bit
weird, but in general i'm happy about this localization. There is
still a problem, however: since the text is bidirectional and this
email is sent in plain text, the Hebrew text is garbled and hardly
readable. One way to solve this is to send the email as HTML and to
define the Hebrew part as dir="rtl". This is relevant for all RTL
languages - Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashto, Divehi and many others.

Thank you,

--
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http://aharoni.wordpress.com
"We're living in pieces,
 I want to live in peace." - T. Moore


‎הודעה שהועברה‎
מאת: Wikimedia Board Elections Committee ‎‎
תאריך: 10 ביוני 2011 14:56
נושא: Wikimedia Foundation Elections 2009
אל: Amire80 ‫amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il‬


Dear Amire80,

You are eligible to vote in the 2011 elections for the Board of
Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation, which operates projects such as
Wikipedia. The Board of Trustees is the decision-making body that is
ultimately responsible for the long term sustainability of the
Foundation, so we value wide input into its selection.

For more information, please see
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/en . To remove
yourself from future notification, please add your user name at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list .



שלום Amire80,

הנך זכאי להשתתף בבחירות 2011 לחבר הנאמנים של קרן ויקימדיה, המפעילה
מספר מיזמים כגון Wikipedia.
חבר הנאמנים הוא הגוף המחליט הנושא באחריות הכוללת לקיומה של הקרן בטווח
הארוך, ולכן אנו מקבלים בברכה השתתפות רחבה בבחירתו.

למידע נוסף, אנא ראו please see
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/he . להסרת שמך
מקבלת הודעות דומות בעתיד, אנא צרפו את שמכם בדף
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list .
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