Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
Hi John, would it perhaps be more effective to send these questions to the audit committee, whose role it is (as far as I can tell) to control this kind of issues? They also have the authority to give relevant advices where necessary. Best, Lodewijk 2010/10/12 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:10 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 October 2010 00:00, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: The following message was rejected by moderators, but I think it is worth noting on this list. Whether 'we' like it or not, Gregory Kohs is asking probing questions and ignoring him is not making him go away; quite the contrary actually. http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Paying attention to him isn't helping either. We are not short of people to ask probing questions/ Nobody else asked these questions. Did Philippe Beaudette work for Q2 Consulting, or is Greg Kohs wrong? Was this contract more than USD$5,000? If so, I assume that this contract falls under the Purchasing Disbursements policy, and needed to be signed by Executive Director or the Deputy Director plus the CFOO. Were other firms considered by whoever signed this? Does WMF have a policy which sets some parameters around when contracts must be competitively sourced? If not, they should. I don't mind if a $5,000 contract isn't competitively sourced, but I would be disturbed if it was a $20,000 contract. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Purchasing_%26_Disbursements_Policy -- Forwarded message -- From: Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is) To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unfortunately, neither Philippe Beaudette nor Jay Walsh would respond to the question about competitive bidding for this important study of WMF donors, so the article in Examiner.com ran without their comment. Examiner.com is Gregory Kohs self publishing. He gets a share of the ad revenue on the articles he publishes so of course he is going to want to post them to this list. Greg wouldn't have a story if someone at WMF had answered the questions here. (Note, according to Alexa.com, Examiner receives more Internet reach than Business Week, Time Magazine, or CBS News.) Or to put it another way a bunch of sites unlikely to game their alexa rank. How would Examiner.com do that? Do they do that? -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:31 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi John, would it perhaps be more effective to send these questions to the audit committee, whose role it is (as far as I can tell) to control this kind of issues? They also have the authority to give relevant advices where necessary. If someone does, and gets any answers (ha), let us know. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: Hi John, would it perhaps be more effective to send these questions to the audit committee, whose role it is (as far as I can tell) to control this kind of issues? They also have the authority to give relevant advices where necessary. Is there a way to formally contact the audit committee? http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Audit_committee doesnt mention any way of contacting , the talk page has one question from Sj without a reply and I couldn't find a mailing list on https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo ? -- Best Regards, Muhammad Yahia ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
MZMcBride, 12/10/2010 20:12: The wikimediafoundation.org and meta.wikimedia.org pages are spectacularly unhelpful and I have no idea why the mailing list index would omit this entry. I'll try to correct the former issues. I don't know who can correct the latter. I think it's a default privacy preference for private lists. One that should be abolished, IMHO. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Standardization#Privacy_options Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
I think it's a default privacy preference for private lists. One that should be abolished, IMHO. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Standardization#Privacy_options If it's a private mailing list, would it accept posting from an outsider? Is there a way to know if my mail got posted or not? -- Best Regards, Muhammad Yahia ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a way to know if my mail got posted or not? You usually get an automatic response from the mailman software if your message was rejected, automatically discarded, or moderated. If you didn't get one, it probably went through (or it could've been silently automatically discarded...). The best way to see if your message made it through to the list is to ask the list owner or someone on the list (e.g. Stu, stu at wikimedia dot org). -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
2010/10/11 geni geni...@gmail.com: Paying attention to him isn't helping either. We are not short of people to ask probing questions/ +1; please don't feed. Happy to respond to questions raised in a constructive setting at a later time, e.g. IRC Office Hours. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Happy to respond to questions raised in a constructive setting at a later time, e.g. IRC Office Hours. If someone does, and gets any answers (ha), let us know. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
Happy to respond to questions raised in a constructive setting at a later time, e.g. IRC Office Hours. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Please explain why it is constructive to respond to questions when asked on IRC and not constructive to respond to questions on a mailing list? If it merely a bad time, there is no reason that you can't respond on the mailing list in a week or two. I always thought offering IRC office hours were about offering different forums to reach more people who will tend to have different comfort levels for different forums. Not cutting off other forums. Birgitte SB ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
The following message was rejected by moderators, but I think it is worth noting on this list. Whether 'we' like it or not, Gregory Kohs is asking probing questions and ignoring him is not making him go away; quite the contrary actually. http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs -- Forwarded message -- From: Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is) To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unfortunately, neither Philippe Beaudette nor Jay Walsh would respond to the question about competitive bidding for this important study of WMF donors, so the article in Examiner.com ran without their comment. (Note, according to Alexa.com, Examiner receives more Internet reach than Business Week, Time Magazine, or CBS News.) http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-wires-biased-study-of-donors I begin to wonder if actively ignoring journalists' requests for interviews (not even giving a courteous we have no comment) is really the best strategy for the WMF to address even low-level criticisms of business practices at the non-profit organization? Greg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
On 12 October 2010 00:00, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: The following message was rejected by moderators, but I think it is worth noting on this list. Whether 'we' like it or not, Gregory Kohs is asking probing questions and ignoring him is not making him go away; quite the contrary actually. http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Paying attention to him isn't helping either. We are not short of people to ask probing questions/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is) To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unfortunately, neither Philippe Beaudette nor Jay Walsh would respond to the question about competitive bidding for this important study of WMF donors, so the article in Examiner.com ran without their comment. Examiner.com is Gregory Kohs self publishing. He gets a share of the ad revenue on the articles he publishes so of course he is going to want to post them to this list. (Note, according to Alexa.com, Examiner receives more Internet reach than Business Week, Time Magazine, or CBS News.) Or to put it another way a bunch of sites unlikely to game their alexa rank. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:10 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 October 2010 00:00, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: The following message was rejected by moderators, but I think it is worth noting on this list. Whether 'we' like it or not, Gregory Kohs is asking probing questions and ignoring him is not making him go away; quite the contrary actually. http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs Paying attention to him isn't helping either. We are not short of people to ask probing questions/ Nobody else asked these questions. Did Philippe Beaudette work for Q2 Consulting, or is Greg Kohs wrong? Was this contract more than USD$5,000? If so, I assume that this contract falls under the Purchasing Disbursements policy, and needed to be signed by Executive Director or the Deputy Director plus the CFOO. Were other firms considered by whoever signed this? Does WMF have a policy which sets some parameters around when contracts must be competitively sourced? If not, they should. I don't mind if a $5,000 contract isn't competitively sourced, but I would be disturbed if it was a $20,000 contract. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Purchasing_%26_Disbursements_Policy -- Forwarded message -- From: Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is) To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unfortunately, neither Philippe Beaudette nor Jay Walsh would respond to the question about competitive bidding for this important study of WMF donors, so the article in Examiner.com ran without their comment. Examiner.com is Gregory Kohs self publishing. He gets a share of the ad revenue on the articles he publishes so of course he is going to want to post them to this list. Greg wouldn't have a story if someone at WMF had answered the questions here. (Note, according to Alexa.com, Examiner receives more Internet reach than Business Week, Time Magazine, or CBS News.) Or to put it another way a bunch of sites unlikely to game their alexa rank. How would Examiner.com do that? Do they do that? -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
