Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
LOL - we have a self-proclaimed April Fool who is not so happy about being made a fool of ^_^ On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Mark Williamson wrote: > Not only that, but I didn't find it funny at all. Absolutely devoid of > humor. Distorting truth does not automatically make it humorous. I > believed it at first, actually, until I realized what today is. I feel > that this was completely pointless and a waste of my time. > > Mark > > 2009/4/1 Marcus Buck : > > Aryeh Gregor hett schreven: > >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Marcus Buck wrote: > >> > >>> Harsh critic, isn't it? There are two interpretations possible now: a) > >>> All those critics are dicks. b) You did something that is indeed > critizable. > >>> > >> > >> "All those critics" being you and . . . who else, again? > >> > >> Part of being on an international list is having to deal with other > >> cultural groups' customs, such as April Fools' Day. > >> > > Ziko cross-posted his "joke" on several lists and on the wiki and got > > critic on several of them. If you want names: Marcela, Janneman, > > Phantom, Southpark for example. Look at the list: > > "culture-imperialistic, spamming garbage, confusing the newbies, making > > jokes about real dangers, making jokes about disabled people, and > > unwitty". The only thing, that I accused him of (at least I used the > > word, alhough not explicitly in his direction) was cultural imperialism. > > > > Fools' days are actually an ethnographic category. There are several > > time periods in different cultures at which making fun of others is > > common. Most of the Western world has April 1 as fools' day, the > > Spanish-speaking world, as Pedro mentioned, knows December 28, somebody > > mentioned the Yiddish Purim torah, Denmark knows the Majkat on April 30 > > and May 1 and there are several other occasions in other cultures. Would > > you like to be fooled on all of them? > > > > Marcus Buck > > User:Slomox > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
Folks, lighten up. For a community to be a community, vibrant and open, it can't be all serious all the time. So, at the risk of using culturally imperialistic idiom... chill out! Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
Not only that, but I didn't find it funny at all. Absolutely devoid of humor. Distorting truth does not automatically make it humorous. I believed it at first, actually, until I realized what today is. I feel that this was completely pointless and a waste of my time. Mark 2009/4/1 Marcus Buck : > Aryeh Gregor hett schreven: >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Marcus Buck wrote: >> >>> Harsh critic, isn't it? There are two interpretations possible now: a) >>> All those critics are dicks. b) You did something that is indeed critizable. >>> >> >> "All those critics" being you and . . . who else, again? >> >> Part of being on an international list is having to deal with other >> cultural groups' customs, such as April Fools' Day. >> > Ziko cross-posted his "joke" on several lists and on the wiki and got > critic on several of them. If you want names: Marcela, Janneman, > Phantom, Southpark for example. Look at the list: > "culture-imperialistic, spamming garbage, confusing the newbies, making > jokes about real dangers, making jokes about disabled people, and > unwitty". The only thing, that I accused him of (at least I used the > word, alhough not explicitly in his direction) was cultural imperialism. > > Fools' days are actually an ethnographic category. There are several > time periods in different cultures at which making fun of others is > common. Most of the Western world has April 1 as fools' day, the > Spanish-speaking world, as Pedro mentioned, knows December 28, somebody > mentioned the Yiddish Purim torah, Denmark knows the Majkat on April 30 > and May 1 and there are several other occasions in other cultures. Would > you like to be fooled on all of them? > > Marcus Buck > User:Slomox > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
Aryeh Gregor hett schreven: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Marcus Buck wrote: > >> Harsh critic, isn't it? There are two interpretations possible now: a) >> All those critics are dicks. b) You did something that is indeed critizable. >> > > "All those critics" being you and . . . who else, again? > > Part of being on an international list is having to deal with other > cultural groups' customs, such as April Fools' Day. > Ziko cross-posted his "joke" on several lists and on the wiki and got critic on several of them. If you want names: Marcela, Janneman, Phantom, Southpark for example. Look at the list: "culture-imperialistic, spamming garbage, confusing the newbies, making jokes about real dangers, making jokes about disabled people, and unwitty". The only thing, that I accused him of (at least I used the word, alhough not explicitly in his direction) was cultural imperialism. Fools' days are actually an ethnographic category. There are several time periods in different cultures at which making fun of others is common. Most of the Western world has April 1 as fools' day, the Spanish-speaking world, as Pedro mentioned, knows December 28, somebody mentioned the Yiddish Purim torah, Denmark knows the Majkat on April 30 and May 1 and there are several other occasions in other cultures. Would you like to be fooled on all of them? Marcus Buck User:Slomox ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Marcus Buck wrote: > Harsh critic, isn't it? There are two interpretations possible now: a) > All those critics are dicks. b) You did something that is indeed critizable. "All those critics" being you and . . . who else, again? Part of being on an international list is having to deal with other cultural groups' customs, such as April Fools' Day. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
The best solution to this problem is clearly a clean wipe of the Wikipedia namespace! On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > > NK: Yes, first results confirmed that new Wikipedia users find it very > difficult to link to the already existing community, to fit in and to learn > the rules. Most difficult this is because the rules change and there is no > clear authority. You don't know whom to direct to. > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
Ziko van Dijk hett schreven: > Ziko > > who is culture-imperialistic, spamming garbage, confusing the newbies, > making jokes about real dangers, making jokes about disabled people, and > unwitty (see how some Wikipedians react to a April fools day joke...) > > Harsh critic, isn't it? There are two interpretations possible now: a) All those critics are dicks. b) You did something that is indeed critizable. Marcus Buck User:Slomox ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
Thank you for your kind words, SJ. I will tell Ms. Kimura when I will see her (only in my imagination, the name is a mixture from a German friend of mine who has a Japanese mother, Marko Naoki Something, and a Japanese friend of mine who has a German mother, Mr. Kimura). Thanks to Naoko Komura who permitted to distribute a fake interview that could erroneously be attributed to her. Kind regards Ziko who is culture-imperialistic, spamming garbage, confusing the newbies, making jokes about real dangers, making jokes about disabled people, and unwitty (see how some Wikipedians react to a April fools day joke...) 2009/4/1 Samuel Klein > Thank you Ziko. I always enjoy the unfiltered news exacerbated by the > Kurier... you should broadcast your work more than once a year. And > Ms. Kimura is clearly a crack dictator, she should be miked up > regularly. SJ > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Ziko van Dijk > wrote: > > Hello, > > A couple of days ago I have contacted our project manager in San > Francisco > > who is dealing with the improvement of the usability of Wikipedia. I have > > done this interview for [[de:Wikipedia:Kurier]] and translated it to > German, > > but originally it is in English and so I thought that I can also send it > to > > this list. > > Kind regards > > Ziko > > > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kurier > > > > *Kimura: Wikipedia Usability by Better „Ranking“* > > > > > > *Wikipedia is difficult to edit, many people say, and Wikimedia > Foundation > > encountered the problem by installing Naoki Kimura as a project manager. > Her > > team will make proposals to improve Wikipedia Usability. In an interview > > with Ziko van Dijk she unravels test results and the next step.* > > > > ZvD: Dear Naoki Kimura, previously you told us that you would run some > tests > > about the problems of our new users. > > > > NK: Yes, first results confirmed that new Wikipedia users find it very > > difficult to link to the already existing community, to fit in and to > learn > > the rules. Most difficult this is because the rules change and there is > no > > clear authority. You don't know whom to direct to. > > > > ZvD: That is exactly the Wiki principle which made Wikipedia big. > > > > NK: But is it suitable to keep Wikipedia running? We lose a lot of people > or > > scare them away even before they join, the statistics show us. Wikipedia > can > > only go on by making the collaboration better. > > > > ZvD: So if I am a new user, what will change? > > > > NK: In fact, as a new user you already have only limited rights compared > to > > more experienced users. You cannot vote, you cannot sight versions in > > Wikipedias with flagged revisions, and so on. This must become more > > systematic. So as a new user you will start as a „rookie user“, and after > > six months, after trainings and tests, you might become an „advanced > user“ > > and later a „user major“. A bigger step will be to become an „editor > > adjunct“ etc. In the end, you can become a „senior editor general“. > > > > ZvD: I see. And what about non editors? > > > > NK: You mean developers and admins? It will be the same or similar. > > > > ZvD: And the "commander-in-chief" of the three service branches will be > > Jimmy Wales? > > > > NK: Yes of course, that will not change at all. > > > > ZvD: So the word "edit war“ will get a totally new meaning? > > > > NK: No, there will be no edit wars at all! There will be no quarrels, no > > uncertainties, no cybermobbing. We will even be able abolish the talk > pages. > > > > ZvD: Because everyone knows who is senior and has what rights. > > > > NK: Exactly. > > > > ZvD: But will Wikipedians accept such a system? > > > > NK: That is funny, you know. I worried about that until I presented the > idea > > to the staff members in San Francisco. They told me that they are all > Star > > Trek fans and when they were children at play, they called each other > > "captain“ or "midshipman“ or "commander“. > > > > ZvD: Naoki, I wish you all the best for implementation (it will certainly > > not be easy) and thank you for this interview. > > > > NK: Dismissed. > > > > --- > > Ziko van Dijk > > NL-Silvolde > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Ziko van Dijk NL-Silvolde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
Thank you Ziko. I always enjoy the unfiltered news exacerbated by the Kurier... you should broadcast your work more than once a year. And Ms. Kimura is clearly a crack dictator, she should be miked up regularly. SJ On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > A couple of days ago I have contacted our project manager in San Francisco > who is dealing with the improvement of the usability of Wikipedia. I have > done this interview for [[de:Wikipedia:Kurier]] and translated it to German, > but originally it is in English and so I thought that I can also send it to > this list. > Kind regards > Ziko > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kurier > > *Kimura: Wikipedia Usability by Better „Ranking“* > > > *Wikipedia is difficult to edit, many people say, and Wikimedia Foundation > encountered the problem by installing Naoki Kimura as a project manager. Her > team will make proposals to improve Wikipedia Usability. In an interview > with Ziko van Dijk she unravels test results and the next step.* > > ZvD: Dear Naoki Kimura, previously you told us that you would run some tests > about the problems of our new users. > > NK: Yes, first results confirmed that new Wikipedia users find it very > difficult to link to the already existing community, to fit in and to learn > the rules. Most difficult this is because the rules change and there is no > clear authority. You don't know whom to direct to. > > ZvD: That is exactly the Wiki principle which made Wikipedia big. > > NK: But is it suitable to keep Wikipedia running? We lose a lot of people or > scare them away even before they join, the statistics show us. Wikipedia can > only go on by making the collaboration better. > > ZvD: So if I am a new user, what will change? > > NK: In fact, as a new user you already have only limited rights compared to > more experienced users. You cannot vote, you cannot sight versions in > Wikipedias with flagged revisions, and so on. This must become more > systematic. So as a new user you will start as a „rookie user“, and after > six months, after trainings and tests, you might become an „advanced user“ > and later a „user major“. A bigger step will be to become an „editor > adjunct“ etc. In the end, you can become a „senior editor general“. > > ZvD: I see. And what about non editors? > > NK: You mean developers and admins? It will be the same or similar. > > ZvD: And the "commander-in-chief" of the three service branches will be > Jimmy Wales? > > NK: Yes of course, that will not change at all. > > ZvD: So the word "edit war“ will get a totally new meaning? > > NK: No, there will be no edit wars at all! There will be no quarrels, no > uncertainties, no cybermobbing. We will even be able abolish the talk pages. > > ZvD: Because everyone knows who is senior and has what rights. > > NK: Exactly. > > ZvD: But will Wikipedians accept such a system? > > NK: That is funny, you know. I worried about that until I presented the idea > to the staff members in San Francisco. They told me that they are all Star > Trek fans and when they were children at play, they called each other > "captain“ or "midshipman“ or "commander“. > > ZvD: Naoki, I wish you all the best for implementation (it will certainly > not be easy) and thank you for this interview. > > NK: Dismissed. > > --- > Ziko van Dijk > NL-Silvolde > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
Fail reading comprehension is fail. I submit myself to lose. -Dan On Mar 31, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Dan Rosenthal > wrote: >> Just a point of information: Her name is Naoko Komura, not Naoki >> Kimura. >> > > *cough* It's not real Dan. :-) > > -- > Casey Brown > Cbrown1023 > > --- > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal > emails sent to > this address will probably get lost. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Just a point of information: Her name is Naoko Komura, not Naoki Kimura. > *cough* It's not real Dan. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
Just a point of information: Her name is Naoko Komura, not Naoki Kimura. -Dan On Mar 31, 2009, at 6:23 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > A couple of days ago I have contacted our project manager in San > Francisco > who is dealing with the improvement of the usability of Wikipedia. I > have > done this interview for [[de:Wikipedia:Kurier]] and translated it to > German, > but originally it is in English and so I thought that I can also > send it to > this list. > Kind regards > Ziko > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kurier > > *Kimura: Wikipedia Usability by Better „Ranking“* > > > *Wikipedia is difficult to edit, many people say, and Wikimedia > Foundation > encountered the problem by installing Naoki Kimura as a project > manager. Her > team will make proposals to improve Wikipedia Usability. In an > interview > with Ziko van Dijk she unravels test results and the next step.* > > ZvD: Dear Naoki Kimura, previously you told us that you would run > some tests > about the problems of our new users. > > NK: Yes, first results confirmed that new Wikipedia users find it very > difficult to link to the already existing community, to fit in and > to learn > the rules. Most difficult this is because the rules change and there > is no > clear authority. You don't know whom to direct to. > > ZvD: That is exactly the Wiki principle which made Wikipedia big. > > NK: But is it suitable to keep Wikipedia running? We lose a lot of > people or > scare them away even before they join, the statistics show us. > Wikipedia can > only go on by making the collaboration better. > > ZvD: So if I am a new user, what will change? > > NK: In fact, as a new user you already have only limited rights > compared to > more experienced users. You cannot vote, you cannot sight versions in > Wikipedias with flagged revisions, and so on. This must become more > systematic. So as a new user you will start as a „rookie user“, and > after > six months, after trainings and tests, you might become an „advanced > user“ > and later a „user major“. A bigger step will be to become an „editor > adjunct“ etc. In the end, you can become a „senior editor general“. > > ZvD: I see. And what about non editors? > > NK: You mean developers and admins? It will be the same or similar. > > ZvD: And the "commander-in-chief" of the three service branches will > be > Jimmy Wales? > > NK: Yes of course, that will not change at all. > > ZvD: So the word "edit war“ will get a totally new meaning? > > NK: No, there will be no edit wars at all! There will be no > quarrels, no > uncertainties, no cybermobbing. We will even be able abolish the > talk pages. > > ZvD: Because everyone knows who is senior and has what rights. > > NK: Exactly. > > ZvD: But will Wikipedians accept such a system? > > NK: That is funny, you know. I worried about that until I presented > the idea > to the staff members in San Francisco. They told me that they are > all Star > Trek fans and when they were children at play, they called each other > "captain“ or "midshipman“ or "commander“. > > ZvD: Naoki, I wish you all the best for implementation (it will > certainly > not be easy) and thank you for this interview. > > NK: Dismissed. > > --- > Ziko van Dijk > NL-Silvolde > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
I would appreciate, if we do not put cultural non-universal April 1 jokes on an international list. Perhaps you had fun, I have none. Marcus Buck User:Slomox Ziko van Dijk hett schreven: > Hello, > A couple of days ago I have contacted our project manager in San Francisco > who is dealing with the improvement of the usability of Wikipedia. I have > done this interview for [[de:Wikipedia:Kurier]] and translated it to German, > but originally it is in English and so I thought that I can also send it to > this list. > Kind regards > Ziko > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kurier > > *Kimura: Wikipedia Usability by Better „Ranking“* > > > *Wikipedia is difficult to edit, many people say, and Wikimedia Foundation > encountered the problem by installing Naoki Kimura as a project manager. Her > team will make proposals to improve Wikipedia Usability. In an interview > with Ziko van Dijk she unravels test results and the next step.* > > ZvD: Dear Naoki Kimura, previously you told us that you would run some tests > about the problems of our new users. > > NK: Yes, first results confirmed that new Wikipedia users find it very > difficult to link to the already existing community, to fit in and to learn > the rules. Most difficult this is because the rules change and there is no > clear authority. You don't know whom to direct to. > > ZvD: That is exactly the Wiki principle which made Wikipedia big. > > NK: But is it suitable to keep Wikipedia running? We lose a lot of people or > scare them away even before they join, the statistics show us. Wikipedia can > only go on by making the collaboration better. > > ZvD: So if I am a new user, what will change? > > NK: In fact, as a new user you already have only limited rights compared to > more experienced users. You cannot vote, you cannot sight versions in > Wikipedias with flagged revisions, and so on. This must become more > systematic. So as a new user you will start as a „rookie user“, and after > six months, after trainings and tests, you might become an „advanced user“ > and later a „user major“. A bigger step will be to become an „editor > adjunct“ etc. In the end, you can become a „senior editor general“. > > ZvD: I see. And what about non editors? > > NK: You mean developers and admins? It will be the same or similar. > > ZvD: And the "commander-in-chief" of the three service branches will be > Jimmy Wales? > > NK: Yes of course, that will not change at all. > > ZvD: So the word "edit war“ will get a totally new meaning? > > NK: No, there will be no edit wars at all! There will be no quarrels, no > uncertainties, no cybermobbing. We will even be able abolish the talk pages. > > ZvD: Because everyone knows who is senior and has what rights. > > NK: Exactly. > > ZvD: But will Wikipedians accept such a system? > > NK: That is funny, you know. I worried about that until I presented the idea > to the staff members in San Francisco. They told me that they are all Star > Trek fans and when they were children at play, they called each other > "captain“ or "midshipman“ or "commander“. > > ZvD: Naoki, I wish you all the best for implementation (it will certainly > not be easy) and thank you for this interview. > > NK: Dismissed. > > --- > Ziko van Dijk > NL-Silvolde > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
*No, there will be no edit wars at all! There will be no quarrels, no uncertainties, no cybermobbing* Oh, I can't wait to see THIS. DM On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > A couple of days ago I have contacted our project manager in San Francisco > who is dealing with the improvement of the usability of Wikipedia. I have > done this interview for [[de:Wikipedia:Kurier]] and translated it to > German, > but originally it is in English and so I thought that I can also send it to > this list. > Kind regards > Ziko > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kurier > > *Kimura: Wikipedia Usability by Better „Ranking“* > > > *Wikipedia is difficult to edit, many people say, and Wikimedia Foundation > encountered the problem by installing Naoki Kimura as a project manager. > Her > team will make proposals to improve Wikipedia Usability. In an interview > with Ziko van Dijk she unravels test results and the next step.* > > ZvD: Dear Naoki Kimura, previously you told us that you would run some > tests > about the problems of our new users. > > NK: Yes, first results confirmed that new Wikipedia users find it very > difficult to link to the already existing community, to fit in and to learn > the rules. Most difficult this is because the rules change and there is no > clear authority. You don't know whom to direct to. > > ZvD: That is exactly the Wiki principle which made Wikipedia big. > > NK: But is it suitable to keep Wikipedia running? We lose a lot of people > or > scare them away even before they join, the statistics show us. Wikipedia > can > only go on by making the collaboration better. > > ZvD: So if I am a new user, what will change? > > NK: In fact, as a new user you already have only limited rights compared to > more experienced users. You cannot vote, you cannot sight versions in > Wikipedias with flagged revisions, and so on. This must become more > systematic. So as a new user you will start as a „rookie user“, and after > six months, after trainings and tests, you might become an „advanced user“ > and later a „user major“. A bigger step will be to become an „editor > adjunct“ etc. In the end, you can become a „senior editor general“. > > ZvD: I see. And what about non editors? > > NK: You mean developers and admins? It will be the same or similar. > > ZvD: And the "commander-in-chief" of the three service branches will be > Jimmy Wales? > > NK: Yes of course, that will not change at all. > > ZvD: So the word "edit war“ will get a totally new meaning? > > NK: No, there will be no edit wars at all! There will be no quarrels, no > uncertainties, no cybermobbing. We will even be able abolish the talk > pages. > > ZvD: Because everyone knows who is senior and has what rights. > > NK: Exactly. > > ZvD: But will Wikipedians accept such a system? > > NK: That is funny, you know. I worried about that until I presented the > idea > to the staff members in San Francisco. They told me that they are all Star > Trek fans and when they were children at play, they called each other > "captain“ or "midshipman“ or "commander“. > > ZvD: Naoki, I wish you all the best for implementation (it will certainly > not be easy) and thank you for this interview. > > NK: Dismissed. > > --- > Ziko van Dijk > NL-Silvolde > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results
Hello, A couple of days ago I have contacted our project manager in San Francisco who is dealing with the improvement of the usability of Wikipedia. I have done this interview for [[de:Wikipedia:Kurier]] and translated it to German, but originally it is in English and so I thought that I can also send it to this list. Kind regards Ziko http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kurier *Kimura: Wikipedia Usability by Better „Ranking“* *Wikipedia is difficult to edit, many people say, and Wikimedia Foundation encountered the problem by installing Naoki Kimura as a project manager. Her team will make proposals to improve Wikipedia Usability. In an interview with Ziko van Dijk she unravels test results and the next step.* ZvD: Dear Naoki Kimura, previously you told us that you would run some tests about the problems of our new users. NK: Yes, first results confirmed that new Wikipedia users find it very difficult to link to the already existing community, to fit in and to learn the rules. Most difficult this is because the rules change and there is no clear authority. You don't know whom to direct to. ZvD: That is exactly the Wiki principle which made Wikipedia big. NK: But is it suitable to keep Wikipedia running? We lose a lot of people or scare them away even before they join, the statistics show us. Wikipedia can only go on by making the collaboration better. ZvD: So if I am a new user, what will change? NK: In fact, as a new user you already have only limited rights compared to more experienced users. You cannot vote, you cannot sight versions in Wikipedias with flagged revisions, and so on. This must become more systematic. So as a new user you will start as a „rookie user“, and after six months, after trainings and tests, you might become an „advanced user“ and later a „user major“. A bigger step will be to become an „editor adjunct“ etc. In the end, you can become a „senior editor general“. ZvD: I see. And what about non editors? NK: You mean developers and admins? It will be the same or similar. ZvD: And the "commander-in-chief" of the three service branches will be Jimmy Wales? NK: Yes of course, that will not change at all. ZvD: So the word "edit war“ will get a totally new meaning? NK: No, there will be no edit wars at all! There will be no quarrels, no uncertainties, no cybermobbing. We will even be able abolish the talk pages. ZvD: Because everyone knows who is senior and has what rights. NK: Exactly. ZvD: But will Wikipedians accept such a system? NK: That is funny, you know. I worried about that until I presented the idea to the staff members in San Francisco. They told me that they are all Star Trek fans and when they were children at play, they called each other "captain“ or "midshipman“ or "commander“. ZvD: Naoki, I wish you all the best for implementation (it will certainly not be easy) and thank you for this interview. NK: Dismissed. --- Ziko van Dijk NL-Silvolde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l