Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
M. Williamson, 29/09/2011 22:45: ...and Nikerabbit removed it giving only the explanation: not here, per Nikerabbit (would have already fixed the real issues if only somebody had told me) It seems like he's saying that someone should've let him know about the autoselection issue, but he doesn't seem to agree that _even with_ auto language selection, the user should still be able to choose a different language manually on the mainpage. Please stop it, there isn't any use in this (off topic) discussion and guessing/[mis]representing other people's intentions. Use the talk page or bugzilla. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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No reason not to allow users to select their own language easily, especially given that browser language preferences and location are anything but a surefire predictor of language preference. 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/28 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a page with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international project. 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
Hoi, The difficulty is in predicting what language to use when you do not have a cookie. Obviously, you can select any language you like. Thanks, Gerard 2011/9/28 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com No reason not to allow users to select their own language easily, especially given that browser language preferences and location are anything but a surefire predictor of language preference. 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/28 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a page with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international project. 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
*Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. * No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English version of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my language - In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/28 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a page with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international project. 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
Yes, my browser language is Spanish and I got the page in English. Also, in response to Gerard's comment: Obviously, you can select any language you like. - well, where? Where is the language selector? I don't see it anywhere. There doesn't appear to be a language list, a selector, a button or anything like that... 2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com *Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. * No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English version of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my language - In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/28 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a page with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international project. 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
M. Williamson, the only way to see the Main Page in other language is log in, going to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Preferences and change it to Spanish (which I'm guessing is your native language). As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 29 September 2011 10:28, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, my browser language is Spanish and I got the page in English. Also, in response to Gerard's comment: Obviously, you can select any language you like. - well, where? Where is the language selector? I don't see it anywhere. There doesn't appear to be a language list, a selector, a button or anything like that... 2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com *Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. * No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English version of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my language - In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/28 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a page with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international project. 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com: As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the site in their (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket science to port that to meta if necessary. Perhaps you should log a bug on that? Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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And of course this is a huge usability problem. Imagine I'm travelling in the Netherlands and use a public computer in an Internet cafe. I don't have an account on TranslateWiki, the auto language select is actually working (it doesn't appear to be working right now), and I don't speak a word of Dutch. There is no reason to not have a language selector like on Commons, or some kind of list or bar somewhere on the mainpage to let users switch. 2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com M. Williamson, the only way to see the Main Page in other language is log in, going to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Preferences and change it to Spanish (which I'm guessing is your native language). As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 29 September 2011 10:28, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, my browser language is Spanish and I got the page in English. Also, in response to Gerard's comment: Obviously, you can select any language you like. - well, where? Where is the language selector? I don't see it anywhere. There doesn't appear to be a language list, a selector, a button or anything like that... 2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com *Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. * No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English version of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my language - In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/28 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/to a page with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international project. 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated
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Yes, when I went to commons I was pleased to get a notice that said Wikimedia Commons está disponible en español at the top of the page. Doesn't obligate the user to change, and the language chooser bar offers the user a plethora of other choices in case the language guess was wrong. Would be nice to see the same thing on Meta. And while we're at it, why isn't Wikispecies more multilingual? 2011/9/29 Strainu strain...@gmail.com 2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com: As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the site in their (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket science to port that to meta if necessary. Perhaps you should log a bug on that? Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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With all due respect the state of meta main page is at a dismal state. Some translations are over a year old in content. The goal of this endeavour is to offer up to date info in many languages. Feel free to hop in to assist with the effort. :) -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 03:12, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
You can go to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Main_Page?setlang=es but that's obviously not something everyone knows. I once added a language selector but it was removed at some point. I added it back now. 2011/9/29 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com: Yes, when I went to commons I was pleased to get a notice that said Wikimedia Commons está disponible en español at the top of the page. Doesn't obligate the user to change, and the language chooser bar offers the user a plethora of other choices in case the language guess was wrong. Would be nice to see the same thing on Meta. And while we're at it, why isn't Wikispecies more multilingual? 2011/9/29 Strainu strain...@gmail.com 2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com: As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the site in their (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket science to port that to meta if necessary. Perhaps you should log a bug on that? Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
And by the way, if you want to have a good translatable Meta Main Page (which is absolutely necessary), you can take a look at Incubator's http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Main_Page and its system :-) 2011/9/29 Robin Pepermans robinp.1...@gmail.com: You can go to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Main_Page?setlang=es but that's obviously not something everyone knows. I once added a language selector but it was removed at some point. I added it back now. 2011/9/29 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com: Yes, when I went to commons I was pleased to get a notice that said Wikimedia Commons está disponible en español at the top of the page. Doesn't obligate the user to change, and the language chooser bar offers the user a plethora of other choices in case the language guess was wrong. Would be nice to see the same thing on Meta. And while we're at it, why isn't Wikispecies more multilingual? 2011/9/29 Strainu strain...@gmail.com 2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com: As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the site in their (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket science to port that to meta if necessary. Perhaps you should log a bug on that? Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
I already devised a good way which is very similar to the page you linked. :3 -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 15:49, Robin Pepermans robinp.1...@gmail.comwrote: And by the way, if you want to have a good translatable Meta Main Page (which is absolutely necessary), you can take a look at Incubator's http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Main_Page and its system :-) 2011/9/29 Robin Pepermans robinp.1...@gmail.com: You can go to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Main_Page?setlang=es but that's obviously not something everyone knows. I once added a language selector but it was removed at some point. I added it back now. 2011/9/29 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com: Yes, when I went to commons I was pleased to get a notice that said Wikimedia Commons está disponible en español at the top of the page. Doesn't obligate the user to change, and the language chooser bar offers the user a plethora of other choices in case the language guess was wrong. Would be nice to see the same thing on Meta. And while we're at it, why isn't Wikispecies more multilingual? 2011/9/29 Strainu strain...@gmail.com 2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com: As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the site in their (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket science to port that to meta if necessary. Perhaps you should log a bug on that? Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
...and Nikerabbit removed it giving only the explanation: not here, per Nikerabbit (would have already fixed the real issues if only somebody had told me) It seems like he's saying that someone should've let him know about the autoselection issue, but he doesn't seem to agree that _even with_ auto language selection, the user should still be able to choose a different language manually on the mainpage. 2011/9/29 Robin Pepermans robinp.1...@gmail.com You can go to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Main_Page?setlang=es but that's obviously not something everyone knows. I once added a language selector but it was removed at some point. I added it back now. 2011/9/29 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com: Yes, when I went to commons I was pleased to get a notice that said Wikimedia Commons está disponible en español at the top of the page. Doesn't obligate the user to change, and the language chooser bar offers the user a plethora of other choices in case the language guess was wrong. Would be nice to see the same thing on Meta. And while we're at it, why isn't Wikispecies more multilingual? 2011/9/29 Strainu strain...@gmail.com 2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com: As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the site in their (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket science to port that to meta if necessary. Perhaps you should log a bug on that? Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a page with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international project. 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Meta main page
Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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I wonder if the Page Translation[1] feature of the Translate extension[2] would make it easier to manage this, It appears to (but not written), that when the main translation (en for example) is touched that it will mark the other ones for needing updates. [1]. http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Page_translation_feature [2]. http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
