Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
--- On Tue, 3/31/09, Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:48 PM On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: This is a (predominantly) English-language mailing list, so using those traditions used in the English-speaking world seems to make sense to me. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Of course, wasting resources on april 1st is very sensical. And who cares about purported reach to the whole world and all that fancy words let's bother them with our idiotic pranks becuase we are majority and thereforewe have the right to do so Very good attitude on the wikimedia foundation list (I don't care if you do so on english wikipedia list) Right, it obviously the pompous English majority conspiring here because you received a prank from every English speaker on the list. If the list were in Spanish so every immature youth in Latin America with too much time on their hands could access it without scholarship, you would be unable to spare the rest of us on Dec 28. Follow David's example and ignore those who actually choose to waste your time and spare the rest of us your stereotyped rant. Birgitte SB ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
Birgitte SB hett schreven: Right, it obviously the pompous English majority conspiring here because you received a prank from every English speaker on the list. If the list were in Spanish so every immature youth in Latin America with too much time on their hands could access it without scholarship, you would be unable to spare the rest of us on Dec 28. Follow David's example and ignore those who actually choose to waste your time and spare the rest of us your stereotyped rant. Birgitte SB Cultural imperialism is not confined to societies. It can be done by individuals too. And Pedro's critical remarks are aimed at individuals. No need to feel offended as a member of the English majority (except you support imposing your own cultural sillynesses on other people, in that case, feel offended). The main problem with just ignore them is: If you don't know the custom of April's Fool day, you won't know that it's a joke. And even if you know the custom you can still fall for the jokes. I am fully aware, that there will always be idiots, who don't know how to behave in an intercultural environment, but only if we tell them that they are idiots, awareness can arise for the idioticy of this behaviour. Marcus Buck ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
Pedro Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: This is a (predominantly) English-language mailing list, so using those traditions used in the English-speaking world seems to make sense to me. Of course, wasting resources on april 1st is very sensical. And who cares about purported reach to the whole world and all that fancy words let's bother them with our idiotic pranks becuase we are majority and thereforewe have the right to do so Very good attitude on the wikimedia foundation list (I don't care if you do so on english wikipedia list) Some people just need to lighten up. Over the years I've seen many issues that waste a lot more resources than this. If you see shit in the toilet a person who flushes uses resources far more efficiently than some jealously constipated individual who opens up an investigation to punish the person who left it there. People who complain about a little innocent fun are akin to those in an office who measure the length of pencils every day to make sure they aren't excessively wasted. Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: From: Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:16 AM Birgitte SB hett schreven: Right, it obviously the pompous English majority conspiring here because you received a prank from every English speaker on the list. If the list were in Spanish so every immature youth in Latin America with too much time on their hands could access it without scholarship, you would be unable to spare the rest of us on Dec 28. Follow David's example and ignore those who actually choose to waste your time and spare the rest of us your stereotyped rant. Birgitte SB Cultural imperialism is not confined to societies. It can be done by individuals too. And Pedro's critical remarks are aimed at individuals. No need to feel offended as a member of the English majority (except you support imposing your own cultural sillynesses on other people, in that case, feel offended). The main problem with just ignore them is: If you don't know the custom of April's Fool day, you won't know that it's a joke. And even if you know the custom you can still fall for the jokes. I am fully aware, that there will always be idiots, who don't know how to behave in an intercultural environment, but only if we tell them that they are idiots, awareness can arise for the idioticy of this behaviour. If you hadn't snipped it would be clear the rant was not directed at any individuals. The foundation list and it's English majority were all that was given not idiotic pranksters. While one need not feel offended about it, neither does one need to feel annoyed with April Fools pranks. But such an attitude is offensive to me and I don't think it belongs here any more than the annoying pranks do. I am afraid you misunderstood my suggestion as well as misquoted me.. I have no issue with singling out people, and didn't mean to suggest they must be ignored without comment. More like placed on the ignore emails from X function of your Inbox. So that they won't bother him in the future.. I suggested following David's example, which was singling a prankster out and publicly announcing that he was ignoring him. So I never intended to suggest that he just ignore [the pranks]. Birgitte SB ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Levy wrote: Pedro Sanchez wrote: Of course, wasting resources on april 1st is very sensical. And who cares about purported reach to the whole world and all that fancy words let's bother them with our idiotic pranks becuase we are majority and thereforewe have the right to do so Very good attitude on the wikimedia foundation list (I don't care if you do so on english wikipedia list) Needless to say, I wholeheartedly agree with you, Pedro. Every year, I find myself disheartened by this Anglocentric rationale for deliberate disruption. I've even mentioned 28 December when trying to explain to people that April Fools' Day isn't a worldwide custom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents#Feast_days Here here! I'm also a fan of doing this on December 28 (and ignoring the fact that it's my birthday that day). Cary -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ08I2yQg4JSymDYkRAtG8AJ9+/zwISvdVXI3LDDQnx80rKST3XgCgyPTk Ue8xhURlLyHGK+tAHeo/4L4= =73O+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
I've just finished coding up Non-Free Content Bot which spiders Google Images and uploads 10 per second to commons with no license information. I wrote the bot using MediaWiki's turing complete template language. Given that Google Images has 916,000,000 images I anticipate it will take 2.90269084 years to finish. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi all I just came across this[1] policy on Commons, which states that from today, non-free content is going to be allowed to be uploaded on Commons. I'm rather shocked that this was pushed through without any notice here, or anywhere, and it has become policy, going against Wikimedia's free content philosophy. Can people please input on the talk page as soon as possible please, so we can get this reversed. Thanks, -- Alex (User:Majorly) [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Non-free_content ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
May I point out that Alex, also known as majorly or Al Tally, is a respected member of the British Wikimedia crowd and not just a one off prankster using a made up e-mail address. Also, this made me laugh and I would have thought that a prank with cultural significance (due to the date), that is reveleaded to be such, is also interesting for intercultural learning instead of the opposite. To single out single members of the community, especially respected contributors on and off site, and calling them idiots I think is far worse. Ian [[User:Poeloq]] On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I've just finished coding up Non-Free Content Bot which spiders Google Images and uploads 10 per second to commons with no license information. I wrote the bot using MediaWiki's turing complete template language. Given that Google Images has 916,000,000 images I anticipate it will take 2.90269084 years to finish. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all I just came across this[1] policy on Commons, which states that from today, non-free content is going to be allowed to be uploaded on Commons. I'm rather shocked that this was pushed through without any notice here, or anywhere, and it has become policy, going against Wikimedia's free content philosophy. Can people please input on the talk page as soon as possible please, so we can get this reversed. Thanks, -- Alex (User:Majorly) [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Non-free_content ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Ian A Holton Basler-Landstrasse 19a - 79111 Freiburg - Germany +49 761 4587907 (Landline) +49 157 77247397 (Mobile) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
Cary Bass wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Levy wrote: Pedro Sanchez wrote: Of course, wasting resources on april 1st is very sensical. And who cares about purported reach to the whole world and all that fancy words let's bother them with our idiotic pranks becuase we are majority and thereforewe have the right to do so Very good attitude on the wikimedia foundation list (I don't care if you do so on english wikipedia list) Needless to say, I wholeheartedly agree with you, Pedro. Every year, I find myself disheartened by this Anglocentric rationale for deliberate disruption. I've even mentioned 28 December when trying to explain to people that April Fools' Day isn't a worldwide custom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents#Feast_days Here here! I'm also a fan of doing this on December 28 (and ignoring the fact that it's my birthday that day). Cary Me too; adding that I would be all for the jewish contributors of our site to create a [[Wikipedia:Purim policy page]] next year 27th to 28th of March. (See [[Purim torah]]) Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
Hi all I just came across this[1] policy on Commons, which states that from today, non-free content is going to be allowed to be uploaded on Commons. I'm rather shocked that this was pushed through without any notice here, or anywhere, and it has become policy, going against Wikimedia's free content philosophy. Can people please input on the talk page as soon as possible please, so we can get this reversed. Thanks, -- Alex (User:Majorly) [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Non-free_content ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi all I just came across this[1] policy on Commons, which states that from today, non-free content is going to be allowed to be uploaded on Commons. I'm rather shocked that this was pushed through without any notice here, or anywhere, and it has become policy, going against Wikimedia's free content philosophy. Can people please input on the talk page as soon as possible please, so we can get this reversed. Thanks, -- Alex (User:Majorly) [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Non-free_content ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l April's fools alredy? *sigh* ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
April's fools alredy? *sigh* Apparently. As I have no desire to have my time wasted by such abuse of the mailing list, I've created a filter to delete any future e-mails from Al Tally (with whom my interactions have been uniformly negative). ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:59 AM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: April's fools alredy? *sigh* Apparently. As I have no desire to have my time wasted by such abuse of the mailing list, I've created a filter to delete any future e-mails from Al Tally (with whom my interactions have been uniformly negative). Hey, some people just lack a sense of humour. David Levy is one of them. Happy April 1 everyone else :) -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.comwrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:59 AM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: April's fools alredy? *sigh* Apparently. As I have no desire to have my time wasted by such abuse of the mailing list, I've created a filter to delete any future e-mails from Al Tally (with whom my interactions have been uniformly negative). Hey, some people just lack a sense of humour. David Levy is one of them. Happy April 1 everyone else :) -- Alex (User:Majorly) _ you'd be annoyed if you started getting lots of bogus messages and silly jokes on december 28 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
2009/4/1 Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com: you'd be annoyed if you started getting lots of bogus messages and silly jokes on december 28 Yes, because December 28 isn't the traditional day for such things. As long as it is just one day a year, it's a bit of fun. If people started doing it on random days, obviously it would be annoying. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/4/1 Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com: you'd be annoyed if you started getting lots of bogus messages and silly jokes on december 28 Yes, because December 28 isn't the traditional day for such things. As long as it is just one day a year, it's a bit of fun. If people started doing it on random days, obviously it would be annoying. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Well it CERTAINLY is in all latin america, spain and other latin countries But we refrain from imposing our sillyness to the rerst of the world ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
2009/4/1 Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/4/1 Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com: you'd be annoyed if you started getting lots of bogus messages and silly jokes on december 28 Yes, because December 28 isn't the traditional day for such things. As long as it is just one day a year, it's a bit of fun. If people started doing it on random days, obviously it would be annoying. Well it CERTAINLY is in all latin america, spain and other latin countries But we refrain from imposing our sillyness to the rerst of the world This is a (predominantly) English-language mailing list, so using those traditions used in the English-speaking world seems to make sense to me. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: This is a (predominantly) English-language mailing list, so using those traditions used in the English-speaking world seems to make sense to me. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Of course, wasting resources on april 1st is very sensical. And who cares about purported reach to the whole world and all that fancy words let's bother them with our idiotic pranks becuase we are majority and thereforewe have the right to do so Very good attitude on the wikimedia foundation list (I don't care if you do so on english wikipedia list) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons
Pedro Sanchez wrote: Of course, wasting resources on april 1st is very sensical. And who cares about purported reach to the whole world and all that fancy words let's bother them with our idiotic pranks becuase we are majority and thereforewe have the right to do so Very good attitude on the wikimedia foundation list (I don't care if you do so on english wikipedia list) Needless to say, I wholeheartedly agree with you, Pedro. Every year, I find myself disheartened by this Anglocentric rationale for deliberate disruption. I've even mentioned 28 December when trying to explain to people that April Fools' Day isn't a worldwide custom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents#Feast_days ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
