Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
I know this is somewhat out of topic. Sorry about that. Technical discussions should go elsewhere. (11/12/28 6:39), Yao Ziyuan wrote: If Wikipedia can implement the things I talked about so far (topic-specific chat rooms, forums, topic-specific resource announcement and discovery) right on wikipedia.org, then certainly it's the most ideal solution. No, it's not. The Web with only one site, wikipedia.org, is not interesting at all. [snip] then we have to implement all this on a separate website or as a separate program (Wikipedia Explorer). s/website/websites/ and that's how the Web behaves already. What might be missing is the direction for readers of an entry to find the right place to chat/share. Wikipedia currently implements this as a section, namely, External Links. Indeed a separate program that aids users to find the right link among all the links in the external links section could be useful. In any case, asking wikipedia.org to become the only place where all the chatting/sharing happen is just not realistic, and that's not ideal either in my homble opinion. (11/12/28 6:51), Yao Ziyuan wrote: [snip] So instead I'm planning a desktop-based browser that simply browses wikipedia.org and provides additional features such as ebook creation, creating a FreeNode chat room for the currently browsed Wikipedia article, creating a virtual forum in a distributed manner by storing each user's posts on a Blogger.com blog I think it is always better to find existing places for chatting/sharing. Your program could maintain a community editable mapping from Wikipedia entries to chat rooms/visual forums. You mention yet another protocol based on HTTP headers. Believe me, there are already tons of protocols like that. Reusing an existing one might give you a better starting use base. Developing your program as a Flock add-on would have the same effect too. (The ideal situation is indeed if there's Wikipedia mirrors as playgrounds for MediaWiki extension.) (11/12/28 6:08), Yao Ziyuan wrote: The idea behind this program idea is that I have long felt Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia; it's the biggest ontology ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology_(information_science) ) ever made on the Web. Since you mentioned this, if you haven't heard of Semantic MediaWiki(SMW)[1], an MediaWiki extension, already then you might want to bring your idea to that community too. If I recall correctly, Wikipedia couldn't (or hasn't) adopt SMW for performance reason, but there's a starting project called WikiData[2] from the Germany branch of Wikipedia Foundation. [1] http://semantic-mediawiki.org/ [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata Cheers, Kenny -- W3C HTML5 Chinese Interest Group: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-ig-zh/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
Remember there was MSN Explorer (desktop software) that let you browse MSN and use MSN services such as Hotmail? Remember Google Earth (desktop software) that lets you browse the Earth and provides additional services based on the Earth? We can also make a Wikipedia Explorer (desktop software) that lets you browse Wikipedia AND provides an added layer that enables users to: * Chat/discuss with other users interested in the same topic (Wikipedia article). * Announce/find resources related to a topic (products, books, jobs, anything). * More. I intend to see such a Wikipedia Explorer developed, or personally develop it. Any comments? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
On 27 December 2011 21:01, Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com wrote: Remember there was MSN Explorer (desktop software) that let you browse MSN and use MSN services such as Hotmail? Remember Google Earth (desktop software) that lets you browse the Earth and provides additional services based on the Earth? We can also make a Wikipedia Explorer (desktop software) that lets you browse Wikipedia AND provides an added layer that enables users to: * Chat/discuss with other users interested in the same topic (Wikipedia article). * Announce/find resources related to a topic (products, books, jobs, anything). * More. I intend to see such a Wikipedia Explorer developed, or personally develop it. Any comments? Advertising products and jobs doesn't sound like something the Wikimedia movement would do, but Wikipedia is under a free license, which means anyone that wants to make such software is welcome to do so (although they can't use Wikipedia in the name without the Wikimedia Foundation's permission, which might not be forthcoming in this case due to the apparent commercial aspect). ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
I personally would prefer to see such new features added directly to Wikipedia instead of focusing on another product. Remember, this is 2012, we don't need dedicated software for most things anymore. On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com wrote: Remember there was MSN Explorer (desktop software) that let you browse MSN and use MSN services such as Hotmail? Remember Google Earth (desktop software) that lets you browse the Earth and provides additional services based on the Earth? We can also make a Wikipedia Explorer (desktop software) that lets you browse Wikipedia AND provides an added layer that enables users to: * Chat/discuss with other users interested in the same topic (Wikipedia article). * Announce/find resources related to a topic (products, books, jobs, anything). * More. I intend to see such a Wikipedia Explorer developed, or personally develop it. Any comments? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- John ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
I tend to agree that MW focus should be on the web applications - including mobile. However a free (and ad-free) third-party Adobe AIR app that integrates new web features with services offered by other sites in ways not otherwise allowed by WMF policies - might be interesting for folks that enjoy browsers like Flock and such (which I know is a surprisingly large audience) I'm not personally that socially oriented (beyond sharing things on FB, Twitter and G+) - so chat and such wouldn't interest me personally. As far as the app experience, I do occasionally use Mac OS X Dictionary's ability to browse Wikipedia from time to time. That pretty much fills that void for me the few times a year I feel it. -greg aka varnent On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:15 PM, John Du Hart wrote: I personally would prefer to see such new features added directly to Wikipedia instead of focusing on another product. Remember, this is 2012, we don't need dedicated software for most things anymore. On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com wrote: Remember there was MSN Explorer (desktop software) that let you browse MSN and use MSN services such as Hotmail? Remember Google Earth (desktop software) that lets you browse the Earth and provides additional services based on the Earth? We can also make a Wikipedia Explorer (desktop software) that lets you browse Wikipedia AND provides an added layer that enables users to: * Chat/discuss with other users interested in the same topic (Wikipedia article). * Announce/find resources related to a topic (products, books, jobs, anything). * More. I intend to see such a Wikipedia Explorer developed, or personally develop it. Any comments? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- John ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
Besides social features such as chat, discussions and resource announcement/retrieval, it could also have personal features such as bookmarks, ebook creation, etc., so that before the program's user base becomes large enough for its social features to be really useful, a user can already find the program's personal features useful. On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Gregory Varnum ad...@wikiqueer.org wrote: I tend to agree that MW focus should be on the web applications - including mobile. However a free (and ad-free) third-party Adobe AIR app that integrates new web features with services offered by other sites in ways not otherwise allowed by WMF policies - might be interesting for folks that enjoy browsers like Flock and such (which I know is a surprisingly large audience) I'm not personally that socially oriented (beyond sharing things on FB, Twitter and G+) - so chat and such wouldn't interest me personally. As far as the app experience, I do occasionally use Mac OS X Dictionary's ability to browse Wikipedia from time to time. That pretty much fills that void for me the few times a year I feel it. -greg aka varnent On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:15 PM, John Du Hart wrote: I personally would prefer to see such new features added directly to Wikipedia instead of focusing on another product. Remember, this is 2012, we don't need dedicated software for most things anymore. On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com wrote: Remember there was MSN Explorer (desktop software) that let you browse MSN and use MSN services such as Hotmail? Remember Google Earth (desktop software) that lets you browse the Earth and provides additional services based on the Earth? We can also make a Wikipedia Explorer (desktop software) that lets you browse Wikipedia AND provides an added layer that enables users to: * Chat/discuss with other users interested in the same topic (Wikipedia article). * Announce/find resources related to a topic (products, books, jobs, anything). * More. I intend to see such a Wikipedia Explorer developed, or personally develop it. Any comments? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- John ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
The idea behind this program idea is that I have long felt Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia; it's the biggest ontology ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology_(information_science) ) ever made on the Web. Just like GPS (Global Positioning System) gives every location in this world a unique set of coordinates, Wikipedia gives every concept in this world a unique ID (which is the concept's Wikipedia article title); and Wikipedia's link structure can guide you to navigate to a concept even if you initially don't know the concept's name. Put another way, just like DNS (Domain Name System) can resolve a domain name to an IP address, browsing Wikipedia can resolve a felt concept in your mind to a unique address for that concept (which is the concept's Wikipedia URL). So Wikipedia is an infrastructure for topic identification and navigation just like GPS is an infrastructure for location identification and navigation, and upon this platform there can be a rich ecosystem of topic-oriented apps. It can revolutionize how people announce and find stuff (currently we use Google and keywords to announce and find stuff, like products, but you know keywords have their own limitations, such as the synonym problem and the problem of catching a complex concept with keywords, while Wikipedia can always give you a unique ID for your felt concept, no matter how complex it is). On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Gregory Varnum ad...@wikiqueer.org wrote: I tend to agree that MW focus should be on the web applications - including mobile. However a free (and ad-free) third-party Adobe AIR app that integrates new web features with services offered by other sites in ways not otherwise allowed by WMF policies - might be interesting for folks that enjoy browsers like Flock and such (which I know is a surprisingly large audience) I'm not personally that socially oriented (beyond sharing things on FB, Twitter and G+) - so chat and such wouldn't interest me personally. As far as the app experience, I do occasionally use Mac OS X Dictionary's ability to browse Wikipedia from time to time. That pretty much fills that void for me the few times a year I feel it. -greg aka varnent On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:15 PM, John Du Hart wrote: I personally would prefer to see such new features added directly to Wikipedia instead of focusing on another product. Remember, this is 2012, we don't need dedicated software for most things anymore. On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com wrote: Remember there was MSN Explorer (desktop software) that let you browse MSN and use MSN services such as Hotmail? Remember Google Earth (desktop software) that lets you browse the Earth and provides additional services based on the Earth? We can also make a Wikipedia Explorer (desktop software) that lets you browse Wikipedia AND provides an added layer that enables users to: * Chat/discuss with other users interested in the same topic (Wikipedia article). * Announce/find resources related to a topic (products, books, jobs, anything). * More. I intend to see such a Wikipedia Explorer developed, or personally develop it. Any comments? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- John ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
Am 27. Dezember 2011 22:39 schrieb Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com: Besides social features such as chat, discussions and resource announcement/retrieval, it could also have personal features such as bookmarks, ebook creation, etc., so that before the program's user base becomes large enough for its social features to be really useful, a user can already find the program's personal features useful. I suggest the Wikimedia Foundation set up a Diaspora pod and a StatusNet server for Wikimedia users to communicate. As a Wikipedian I would like to have my social network accounts on a Wikimedia server. We could also run an IRC or a Jabber server of our own for chatting. Regards, Jürgen. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
In my original message I mentioned a chat room and a forum for every Wikipedia article. For chat rooms, yes, an IRC server has to be created (or use an existing IRC network such as FreeNode). For forums, however, we don't need a centralized forum server. Wikipedia Explorer will help the user create a blog with Blogger.com, and put all his forum posts on this blog, and call Google Blog Search to retrieve blog posts associated with a particular Wikipedia article and then merge them into a forum view. On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Jürgen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.comwrote: Am 27. Dezember 2011 22:39 schrieb Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com: Besides social features such as chat, discussions and resource announcement/retrieval, it could also have personal features such as bookmarks, ebook creation, etc., so that before the program's user base becomes large enough for its social features to be really useful, a user can already find the program's personal features useful. I suggest the Wikimedia Foundation set up a Diaspora pod and a StatusNet server for Wikimedia users to communicate. As a Wikipedian I would like to have my social network accounts on a Wikimedia server. We could also run an IRC or a Jabber server of our own for chatting. Regards, Jürgen. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
Am 27. Dezember 2011 23:24 schrieb Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com: In my original message I mentioned a chat room and a forum for every Wikipedia article. For chat rooms, yes, an IRC server has to be created (or use an existing IRC network such as FreeNode). For forums, however, we don't need a centralized forum server. Wikipedia Explorer will help the user create a blog with Blogger.com, and put all his forum posts on this blog, and call Google Blog Search to retrieve blog posts associated with a particular Wikipedia article and then merge them into a forum view. Again: No desktop software, but a cloud solution. Even though I am now posting from a Google account, we do not need Google or indeed any other company for that, we can do it ourserves, there are free alternatives we can set up for the community. Regards, Jürgen. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
If Wikipedia can implement the things I talked about so far (topic-specific chat rooms, forums, topic-specific resource announcement and discovery) right on wikipedia.org, then certainly it's the most ideal solution. But as Thomas Dalton said, if Wikimedia Foundation continues to take a purist stance and only wants to build the encyclopedia itself and ignores the wonderful potential of Wikipedia as a global infrastructure for topic-based communication (unlike friend-based communication like social networks) and topic-based resource sharing (e.g. announcing or finding products, books, jobs, etc. for a specific topic), then we have to implement all this on a separate website or as a separate program (Wikipedia Explorer). On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Gregory Varnum ad...@wikiqueer.org wrote: I tend to agree that MW focus should be on the web applications - including mobile. However a free (and ad-free) third-party Adobe AIR app that integrates new web features with services offered by other sites in ways not otherwise allowed by WMF policies - might be interesting for folks that enjoy browsers like Flock and such (which I know is a surprisingly large audience) I'm not personally that socially oriented (beyond sharing things on FB, Twitter and G+) - so chat and such wouldn't interest me personally. As far as the app experience, I do occasionally use Mac OS X Dictionary's ability to browse Wikipedia from time to time. That pretty much fills that void for me the few times a year I feel it. -greg aka varnent On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:15 PM, John Du Hart wrote: I personally would prefer to see such new features added directly to Wikipedia instead of focusing on another product. Remember, this is 2012, we don't need dedicated software for most things anymore. On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com wrote: Remember there was MSN Explorer (desktop software) that let you browse MSN and use MSN services such as Hotmail? Remember Google Earth (desktop software) that lets you browse the Earth and provides additional services based on the Earth? We can also make a Wikipedia Explorer (desktop software) that lets you browse Wikipedia AND provides an added layer that enables users to: * Chat/discuss with other users interested in the same topic (Wikipedia article). * Announce/find resources related to a topic (products, books, jobs, anything). * More. I intend to see such a Wikipedia Explorer developed, or personally develop it. Any comments? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- John ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Jürgen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.comwrote: Am 27. Dezember 2011 23:24 schrieb Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com: In my original message I mentioned a chat room and a forum for every Wikipedia article. For chat rooms, yes, an IRC server has to be created (or use an existing IRC network such as FreeNode). For forums, however, we don't need a centralized forum server. Wikipedia Explorer will help the user create a blog with Blogger.com, and put all his forum posts on this blog, and call Google Blog Search to retrieve blog posts associated with a particular Wikipedia article and then merge them into a forum view. Again: No desktop software, but a cloud solution. Even though I am now posting from a Google account, we do not need Google or indeed any other company for that, we can do it ourserves, there are free alternatives we can set up for the community. The reason I mentioned desktop software is for server costs reasons. If wikipedia.org is not going to implement these features, we're supposed to create another website that: (1) mirrors Wikipedia's content (text, images, and that's huge, as I've just checked out how large Wikipedia's image base is now); (2) provides additional services such as a chat room/forum for every Wikipedia article. I'm just an individual in China and I'm not gonna create such a mirror site and incur global traffic, which will definitely bankrupt me. So instead I'm planning a desktop-based browser that simply browses wikipedia.org and provides additional features such as ebook creation, creating a FreeNode chat room for the currently browsed Wikipedia article, creating a virtual forum in a distributed manner by storing each user's posts on a Blogger.com blog and retrieving article-specific posts with Google Blog Search. All these features won't involve building my own server. LOL! Regards, Jürgen. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
Actually, I don't think Wikipedia or Wikimedia Foundation has to do everything. They just need to maintain this platform: Wikipedia, just like Microsoft just needs to maintain Windows and let third party developers to develop apps for Windows. On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Jürgen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 27. Dezember 2011 23:24 schrieb Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com: In my original message I mentioned a chat room and a forum for every Wikipedia article. For chat rooms, yes, an IRC server has to be created (or use an existing IRC network such as FreeNode). For forums, however, we don't need a centralized forum server. Wikipedia Explorer will help the user create a blog with Blogger.com, and put all his forum posts on this blog, and call Google Blog Search to retrieve blog posts associated with a particular Wikipedia article and then merge them into a forum view. Again: No desktop software, but a cloud solution. Even though I am now posting from a Google account, we do not need Google or indeed any other company for that, we can do it ourserves, there are free alternatives we can set up for the community. The reason I mentioned desktop software is for server costs reasons. If wikipedia.org is not going to implement these features, we're supposed to create another website that: (1) mirrors Wikipedia's content (text, images, and that's huge, as I've just checked out how large Wikipedia's image base is now); (2) provides additional services such as a chat room/forum for every Wikipedia article. I'm just an individual in China and I'm not gonna create such a mirror site and incur global traffic, which will definitely bankrupt me. So instead I'm planning a desktop-based browser that simply browses wikipedia.org and provides additional features such as ebook creation, creating a FreeNode chat room for the currently browsed Wikipedia article, creating a virtual forum in a distributed manner by storing each user's posts on a Blogger.com blog and retrieving article-specific posts with Google Blog Search. All these features won't involve building my own server. LOL! Regards, Jürgen. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
For example, instead of putting a forum on every Wikipedia article, we can let any third party to provide such a forum externally, and Wikipedia just needs to do a Google query to present these third-party resources (e.g. forums) to the reader. Let's see an concrete example: Suppose a third party Uncle Sam wants to provide a forum for discussing the mobile phone Galaxy Nexus, he can create a resource manifest page on his forum's server, saying: // Topic-ID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_nexus // Resource-Type: forum // Title: Uncle Sam's Galaxy Nexus discussion forum // Description: Discussing issues related to Galaxy Nexus // URL: http://www.unclesam.com/forums/galaxy_nexus After he publishes this resource manifest page on his server, Google will index it, and Wikipedia will be able to retrieve this resource for readers of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_nexus . It works like this: Now a person named Alice is reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_nexus . Below the normal encyclopedic article, Wikipedia will provide a section called Third-party resources. This section is automatically generated by doing a Google search for the exact phrase Topic-ID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_nexus;, which will list all third-party resources designated for this topic. The Third-party resources section can also filter these search results by resource type (e.g. only showing forums), and sort them by date or by relevance (done by Google). On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I don't think Wikipedia or Wikimedia Foundation has to do everything. They just need to maintain this platform: Wikipedia, just like Microsoft just needs to maintain Windows and let third party developers to develop apps for Windows. On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Jürgen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 27. Dezember 2011 23:24 schrieb Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com: In my original message I mentioned a chat room and a forum for every Wikipedia article. For chat rooms, yes, an IRC server has to be created (or use an existing IRC network such as FreeNode). For forums, however, we don't need a centralized forum server. Wikipedia Explorer will help the user create a blog with Blogger.com, and put all his forum posts on this blog, and call Google Blog Search to retrieve blog posts associated with a particular Wikipedia article and then merge them into a forum view. Again: No desktop software, but a cloud solution. Even though I am now posting from a Google account, we do not need Google or indeed any other company for that, we can do it ourserves, there are free alternatives we can set up for the community. The reason I mentioned desktop software is for server costs reasons. If wikipedia.org is not going to implement these features, we're supposed to create another website that: (1) mirrors Wikipedia's content (text, images, and that's huge, as I've just checked out how large Wikipedia's image base is now); (2) provides additional services such as a chat room/forum for every Wikipedia article. I'm just an individual in China and I'm not gonna create such a mirror site and incur global traffic, which will definitely bankrupt me. So instead I'm planning a desktop-based browser that simply browses wikipedia.org and provides additional features such as ebook creation, creating a FreeNode chat room for the currently browsed Wikipedia article, creating a virtual forum in a distributed manner by storing each user's posts on a Blogger.com blog and retrieving article-specific posts with Google Blog Search. All these features won't involve building my own server. LOL! Regards, Jürgen. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Software idea: a Wikipedia Explorer that lets you browse Wikipedia and more
Speaking of web applications, why hasn't Wikipedia offered an online ebook creation tool for Chinese Wikipedia? This would be useful. For example, the Great Firewall blocks information on a page basis, but if you put hundreds of pages in a single ebook, one transmission of that ebook will thwart the Great Firewall hundreds of times. On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Gregory Varnum ad...@wikiqueer.org wrote: I tend to agree that MW focus should be on the web applications - including mobile. However a free (and ad-free) third-party Adobe AIR app that integrates new web features with services offered by other sites in ways not otherwise allowed by WMF policies - might be interesting for folks that enjoy browsers like Flock and such (which I know is a surprisingly large audience) I'm not personally that socially oriented (beyond sharing things on FB, Twitter and G+) - so chat and such wouldn't interest me personally. As far as the app experience, I do occasionally use Mac OS X Dictionary's ability to browse Wikipedia from time to time. That pretty much fills that void for me the few times a year I feel it. -greg aka varnent On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:15 PM, John Du Hart wrote: I personally would prefer to see such new features added directly to Wikipedia instead of focusing on another product. Remember, this is 2012, we don't need dedicated software for most things anymore. On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Yao Ziyuan yaoziy...@gmail.com wrote: Remember there was MSN Explorer (desktop software) that let you browse MSN and use MSN services such as Hotmail? Remember Google Earth (desktop software) that lets you browse the Earth and provides additional services based on the Earth? We can also make a Wikipedia Explorer (desktop software) that lets you browse Wikipedia AND provides an added layer that enables users to: * Chat/discuss with other users interested in the same topic (Wikipedia article). * Announce/find resources related to a topic (products, books, jobs, anything). * More. I intend to see such a Wikipedia Explorer developed, or personally develop it. Any comments? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- John ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
