Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Brianna Laugher wrote: > Wondering, does the software allow those who have voted to change their > minds? Ok, I see that I misunderstood the post, it was not directed at me, but here is my attempt to answer this question anyway. Right now I am using the google docs form feature to host polls, it is very good, and if people want to change their vote, they just vote again. The results are stored on a spreadsheet. This could be emulated with a wiki. I think the basic function would be some form of poll where people would edit a page and sign it with a template. various templates could be used, you would just need a bean counter-parser to interpret it. security is another issue, but the entire counting, limitation and delegation could be implemented as an ever more complex bean counter process. Basically it would be a talk page with special restrictions. Changing their minds would just be voting again, and the bean counter process would come up with a different sum. I hope this idea is understandable and simple. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
Thanks for the encouragement, I would be willing to do some coding for this on my free time. My philosophy is evolutionary development. I could at least do a code review and design on how it would fit. Right now I am using the google docs to host polls, it is very good. I think the basic function would be some form of poll where people would edit a page and sign it with a template. various templates could be used, you would just need a bean counter parser to interpret it. security is another issue, but the entire counting, limitation and delegation could be implemented as an ever more complex bean counter process. Basically it would be a write once page. Changing their minds would just be voting again, and the bean counter would come up with a different sum. mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
Hi! I think some section of http://mediawiki.org may be designated for this project. Eugene. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Brianna Laugher wrote: >> Is there a way to separate requests e.g. for different projects? >> Wikimedia Commons, Wikibooks, Wikinews, Wikisource, Wikipedia. Plus a >> general/default section for stuff that benefits multiple/all projects. >> >> > I considered that possibility too. If one such site catches on similar > efforts for the other projects should follow soon after. > > Wondering, does the software allow those who have voted to change their > minds? > > Ec > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
Brianna Laugher wrote: > Is there a way to separate requests e.g. for different projects? > Wikimedia Commons, Wikibooks, Wikinews, Wikisource, Wikipedia. Plus a > general/default section for stuff that benefits multiple/all projects. > > I considered that possibility too. If one such site catches on similar efforts for the other projects should follow soon after. Wondering, does the software allow those who have voted to change their minds? Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
2009/1/29 Erik Moeller : > If you haven't seen it yet, Ubuntu is running an interesting > brainstorming software called IdeaTorrent to think collectively about > common problems and solutions: > > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ > > The software: > > http://www.ideatorrent.org/ > > I wonder - would people consider it useful to set up something like > brainstorm.wikimedia.org using this software, or would it be too > duplicative of BugZilla and listservs? The benefit of IdeaTorrent is > that it's very straightforward for non-technical users to contribute > ideas and solutions. And, of course, it could be used for > non-technical problems as well. Sounds wonderful. I would strongly support it. I did not yet notice an accepted procedure for MW feature requests or roadmap type stuff. Is there a way to separate requests e.g. for different projects? Wikimedia Commons, Wikibooks, Wikinews, Wikisource, Wikipedia. Plus a general/default section for stuff that benefits multiple/all projects. /me has a look at the demo... when you submit a request, you can choose a category... and you can view by category as well, cool. Well that is my suggestion for that. :) cheers Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Platonides wrote: > I don't think it should be added, but moving bugzilla to brainstorm > could be considered. IdeaStorm is not acceptable as a replacement for Bugzilla. Ubuntu uses a separate bug tracker too, mind. Good bug trackers have many essential features that IdeaStorm lacks, like various resolution statuses, powerful search (look at Bugzilla's advanced search . . .), etc. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
Platonides wrote: > Erik Moeller wrote: > >> If you haven't seen it yet, Ubuntu is running an interesting >> brainstorming software called IdeaTorrent to think collectively about >> common problems and solutions: >> >> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ >> >> The software: >> >> http://www.ideatorrent.org/ >> >> I wonder - would people consider it useful to set up something like >> brainstorm.wikimedia.org using this software, or would it be too >> duplicative of BugZilla and listservs? The benefit of IdeaTorrent is >> that it's very straightforward for non-technical users to contribute >> ideas and solutions. And, of course, it could be used for >> non-technical problems as well. >> > Seems like bugzilla, but with a separated "solutions" section, where > proposed solutions can get votes. > I don't think it should be added, but moving bugzilla to brainstorm > could be considered. > It's worth the experiment. Bugzilla seems more related to technical issues and questions, in which I presume it does a good job. We need better processes to arrive at solutions to social and governance problems. Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
Yes. For fun, which brainstorming needs. Ever since Jamesday stopped spiking the punch in the virtual server room, the bugzilla quote list + mascot hasn't sufficed. SJ On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > If you haven't seen it yet, Ubuntu is running an interesting > brainstorming software called IdeaTorrent to think collectively about > common problems and solutions: > > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ > > The software: > > http://www.ideatorrent.org/ > > I wonder - would people consider it useful to set up something like > brainstorm.wikimedia.org using this software, or would it be too > duplicative of BugZilla and listservs? The benefit of IdeaTorrent is > that it's very straightforward for non-technical users to contribute > ideas and solutions. And, of course, it could be used for > non-technical problems as well. > > -- > Erik Möller > Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
ideas transcend bugzilla. Bugzilla is a place to report bugs. Sure you can file feature requests there, but its not a friendly place for the cultivation and discussion of new ideas on any conceivable topic relating to the WMF. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Platonides wrote: > Erik Moeller wrote: > > If you haven't seen it yet, Ubuntu is running an interesting > > brainstorming software called IdeaTorrent to think collectively about > > common problems and solutions: > > > > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ > > > > The software: > > > > http://www.ideatorrent.org/ > > > > I wonder - would people consider it useful to set up something like > > brainstorm.wikimedia.org using this software, or would it be too > > duplicative of BugZilla and listservs? The benefit of IdeaTorrent is > > that it's very straightforward for non-technical users to contribute > > ideas and solutions. And, of course, it could be used for > > non-technical problems as well. > > Seems like bugzilla, but with a separated "solutions" section, where > proposed solutions can get votes. > I don't think it should be added, but moving bugzilla to brainstorm > could be considered. > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
Erik Moeller wrote: > If you haven't seen it yet, Ubuntu is running an interesting > brainstorming software called IdeaTorrent to think collectively about > common problems and solutions: > > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ > > The software: > > http://www.ideatorrent.org/ > > I wonder - would people consider it useful to set up something like > brainstorm.wikimedia.org using this software, or would it be too > duplicative of BugZilla and listservs? The benefit of IdeaTorrent is > that it's very straightforward for non-technical users to contribute > ideas and solutions. And, of course, it could be used for > non-technical problems as well. Seems like bugzilla, but with a separated "solutions" section, where proposed solutions can get votes. I don't think it should be added, but moving bugzilla to brainstorm could be considered. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
2009/1/28 Brian : > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: >> If you haven't seen it yet, Ubuntu is running an interesting >> brainstorming software called IdeaTorrent to think collectively about >> common problems and solutions: >> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ >> The software: >> http://www.ideatorrent.org/ > Yes! Better tools are needed for finding good ideas and gauging consensus. > The worst thing is that it won't get used - the best thing is much better. Yep. Worth a spin. I'd like to see something that gathered ideas from *readers* as well. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
I think this would be awesome. I've used Ubuntu's Brainstorm and while it isn't a perfect system, I think it does a really good job of letting the community say what they really want to see. Some of that "not perfect" is the fact that some idea's tend to get duplicate entries, and as any voting system, it is susceptible to canvasing. Even still, It would be a great tool. -Jon [[User:ShakataGaNai]] On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:28, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Brian wrote: > > Yes! Better tools are needed for finding good ideas and gauging > consensus. > > The worst thing is that it won't get used - the best thing is much > better. > > I agree, too. It would be good to have SUL integrated there, as well > as to promote it at other Wikimedia projects. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Brian wrote: > Yes! Better tools are needed for finding good ideas and gauging consensus. > The worst thing is that it won't get used - the best thing is much better. I agree, too. It would be good to have SUL integrated there, as well as to promote it at other Wikimedia projects. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
Yes! Better tools are needed for finding good ideas and gauging consensus. The worst thing is that it won't get used - the best thing is much better. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > If you haven't seen it yet, Ubuntu is running an interesting > brainstorming software called IdeaTorrent to think collectively about > common problems and solutions: > > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ > > The software: > > http://www.ideatorrent.org/ > > I wonder - would people consider it useful to set up something like > brainstorm.wikimedia.org using this software, or would it be too > duplicative of BugZilla and listservs? The benefit of IdeaTorrent is > that it's very straightforward for non-technical users to contribute > ideas and solutions. And, of course, it could be used for > non-technical problems as well. > > -- > Erik Möller > Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?
If you haven't seen it yet, Ubuntu is running an interesting brainstorming software called IdeaTorrent to think collectively about common problems and solutions: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ The software: http://www.ideatorrent.org/ I wonder - would people consider it useful to set up something like brainstorm.wikimedia.org using this software, or would it be too duplicative of BugZilla and listservs? The benefit of IdeaTorrent is that it's very straightforward for non-technical users to contribute ideas and solutions. And, of course, it could be used for non-technical problems as well. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
