Re: [Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki (was: Foundation too passive)
On 21/03/11 09:27, Andre Engels wrote: I guess I'm awfully inadequate at that then... Moving interwikis to a separate site is something that I first proposed back in 2002 (although then saying it was 'something for the (far?) future'), that has many community members and I think also developers behind it, and yet it's 2011 now, and it still seems that it will not be there in the near future. This idea still have my support Andre! -- Ashar Voultoiz ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: ... So that's another opportunity to mention the request to enable it, open since September 2008: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Are there still any technical barriers to enabling it? I opened a new blocker for #15607 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28194) that is based on Tim's comments on #15607 to make it easier to track the which issues block the deployment of the Interlanguage extension. Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org writes: I believe both interwiki transclusion and the interlanguage extension are on Mark Hershberger's, the Bugmesiter, to-do list. He's the one who bothers the sysadmins to get things done. :-) I've CC'd him so he can hopefully chime in. Thanks, Casey. Finally subscribed. I'm trying to find ways to track issues that are important to the community *now* and raise them to the attention of the Foundation as something the community cares about. Casey, Gerard and others have contacted via email and helped by pointing me to specific issues. I invite anyone who thinks there is an important issue that the Foundation isn't addressing to send it to me. Every week, I'm trying to send out a couple of emails to wikitech-l about the bugs that the Foundation and MediaWiki hackers can focus on. This past week, some mediawiki hackers helped me realize that my criteria probably isn't the best (http://hexm.de/1d) and I tried to save myself by refocusing on bugs that got the most votes (http://hexm.de/1e). Developers haven't (and probably shouldn't) paid much attention to bugs rated by popularity, but, since my job is help Foundation developers and MediaWiki hackers remember to focus on the needs of the community, I think I'll continue to look at the popularity of bugs as well as rely on feedback from other people in the community. By filling the Bugmeister position, the Foundation is (in part) trying to increase its responsiveness to the community. If you think there is a specific item the Foundation isn't paying enough attention to, let me know. I can't promise that everyone who sends me an email will find the attention of the Foundation is focused on their issue, but I can, at least, make sure you are heard. Mark. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki (was: Foundation too passive)
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote: You do have the power! The world as immensely changed in the last few years thanks to the internet. Internet is just about connecting people and every little step is a change. Get an idea, get community members sharing it then you can markets it, find developers and get it applied to the live site. I guess I'm awfully inadequate at that then... Moving interwikis to a separate site is something that I first proposed back in 2002 (although then saying it was 'something for the (far?) future'), that has many community members and I think also developers behind it, and yet it's 2011 now, and it still seems that it will not be there in the near future. -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki (was: Foundation too passive)
An'n 21.03.2011 09:27, hett Andre Engels schreven: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ashar Voultoizhashar+...@free.fr wrote: You do have the power! The world as immensely changed in the last few years thanks to the internet. Internet is just about connecting people and every little step is a change. Get an idea, get community members sharing it then you can markets it, find developers and get it applied to the live site. I guess I'm awfully inadequate at that then... Moving interwikis to a separate site is something that I first proposed back in 2002 (although then saying it was 'something for the (far?) future'), that has many community members and I think also developers behind it, and yet it's 2011 now, and it still seems that it will not be there in the near future. Peter17 had a Google Summer of Code project in which he developed code that allows interwiki transclusion. And Nikola Smolenski's Interlanguage extension is developed since 2008. So it's not the volunteers who lack. Apparently the main problem is get it applied to the live site. Marcus Buck User:Slomox ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki (was: Foundation too passive)
2011/3/21 Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org An'n 21.03.2011 09:27, hett Andre Engels schreven: I guess I'm awfully inadequate at that then... Moving interwikis to a separate site is something that I first proposed back in 2002 (although then saying it was 'something for the (far?) future'), that has many community members and I think also developers behind it, and yet it's 2011 now, and it still seems that it will not be there in the near future. Peter17 had a Google Summer of Code project in which he developed code that allows interwiki transclusion. And Nikola Smolenski's Interlanguage extension is developed since 2008. So it's not the volunteers who lack. Apparently the main problem is get it applied to the live site. ... So that's another opportunity to mention the request to enable it, open since September 2008: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Are there still any technical barriers to enabling it? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki (was: Foundation too passive)
Hoi, One technical resource lacking is time. The 1.17 code is not stable enough for a full release. There is a lot of code that wants to go into 1.18 and until new releases are going to appear regularly a lot of stuff will continue to wait for it to happen. At this moment the feet of the developers are stuck in clay and agile programming and delivery is still a dream. With our new bugmeister we have a chance of stream lining the process but first the back log of quite important things are waiting to happen. In the end it is about priorities given not about how long we are waiting for something particular. Thanks, GerardM On 21 March 2011 18:59, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.ilwrote: 2011/3/21 Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org An'n 21.03.2011 09:27, hett Andre Engels schreven: I guess I'm awfully inadequate at that then... Moving interwikis to a separate site is something that I first proposed back in 2002 (although then saying it was 'something for the (far?) future'), that has many community members and I think also developers behind it, and yet it's 2011 now, and it still seems that it will not be there in the near future. Peter17 had a Google Summer of Code project in which he developed code that allows interwiki transclusion. And Nikola Smolenski's Interlanguage extension is developed since 2008. So it's not the volunteers who lack. Apparently the main problem is get it applied to the live site. ... So that's another opportunity to mention the request to enable it, open since September 2008: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Are there still any technical barriers to enabling it? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki (was: Foundation too passive)
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: ... So that's another opportunity to mention the request to enable it, open since September 2008: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Are there still any technical barriers to enabling it? I believe both interwiki transclusion and the interlanguage extension are on Mark Hershberger's, the Bugmesiter, to-do list. He's the one who bothers the sysadmins to get things done. :-) I've CC'd him so he can hopefully chime in. Mark, I'm not sure if you're on this list. If not, the rest of the thread can be read here: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/51883 -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki (was: Foundation too passive)
2011/3/21 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, One technical resource lacking is time. The 1.17 code is not stable enough for a full release. There is a lot of code that wants to go into 1.18 and until new releases are going to appear regularly a lot of stuff will continue to wait for it to happen. At this moment the feet of the developers are stuck in clay and agile programming and delivery is still a dream. For the Narayam extension, very short time passed from development to installation in a live Wikipedia and it happened just a few days ago, in the middle of the 1.17 work. I'm happy that it happened; Why can't the same happen with the Interlanguage extension? From the testing that i carried out, i saw that this extension, as it is now, doesn't break anything and the wiki in which it is installed just keeps working as it did (correct me if i'm wrong). FWIW, there is consensus that the functionality that the Interlanguage extension provides is very much needed. On the Meta talk page dedicated to it and in the bug comments no serious objections were expressed; several proposals to do similar things were created in the Strategy wiki; when i meet Wikipedians from around the world, they all tell me in person that they really, really want it. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki (was: Foundation too passive)
Marcus Buck wrote: Peter17 had a Google Summer of Code project in which he developed code that allows interwiki transclusion. And Nikola Smolenski's Interlanguage extension is developed since 2008. So it's not the volunteers who lack. Apparently the main problem is get it applied to the live site. I updated http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Review_queue. As with general MediaWiki code, there's a review bottleneck for extension code review. And obviously the larger the extension and the bigger the target (e.g., all Wikipedias instead of just Meta-Wiki or just Wikiversities), the longer it takes to get it through. Bugzilla is a lot of noise, so it's way too easy to drown out the signal. The newish Bugmeister position is supposed to mitigate this. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
