Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Chad]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe
Beaudette wrote:
> The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the
> board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the
> candidates ranked as follows:
>
>  Final ranking
>
> 1       Ting Chen (Wing)
> 2       Kat Walsh (mindspillage)
> 3       Samuel Klein (Sj)
> 4       Gerard Meijssen (GerardM)
> 5       Domas Mituzas (Midom)
> 6       Thomas Braun (Redlinux)
> 7       Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon Avaro)
> 8       Steve Smith (Sarcasticidealist)
> 9       Dan Rosenthal (Swatjester)
> 10      José Gustavo Góngora (Góngora)
> 11      Brady Brim-DeForest (Bradybd)
> 12      Lourie Pieterse (LouriePieterse)
> 13      Adam Koenigsberg (CastAStone)
> 14      Ralph Potdevin (Aruspice)
> 15      Beauford Anton Stenberg (B9 hummingbird hovering)
> 16      Gregory Kohs (Thekohser)
> 17      Kevin Riley O'Keeffe (KevinOKeeffe)
> 18      Relly Komaruzaman (Relly Komaruzaman)
>
> A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly.
>
> These names have been respectfully submitted to the Board, which has
> moved to seat the top three candidates.
>
> The Committee wishes to thank all those who submitted themselves as
> candidates.  It was a broad and diverse field this year.  We also wish
> to recognize the many volunteers that helped with this process.  The
> committee extends its gratitude and thanks to them
>
>
> For the committee,
> Philippe
>
>
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Congrats to the winners!

-Chad

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Steven Walling]

While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the
election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia.
With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of
the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly "old guard" Wikimedians
as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming
unfriendly to new participants.
Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too?

If I'm not alone, perhaps any official announcement about the elections
(i.e. on the Wikimedia blog and in press releases) should address this, even
if only tacitly.

Steven Walling

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chad  wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe
> Beaudette wrote:
> > The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the
> > board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the
> > candidates ranked as follows:
> >
> >  Final ranking
> >
> > 1   Ting Chen (Wing)
> > 2   Kat Walsh (mindspillage)
> > 3   Samuel Klein (Sj)
> > 4   Gerard Meijssen (GerardM)
> > 5   Domas Mituzas (Midom)
> > 6   Thomas Braun (Redlinux)
> > 7   Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon Avaro)
> > 8   Steve Smith (Sarcasticidealist)
> > 9   Dan Rosenthal (Swatjester)
> > 10  José Gustavo Góngora (Góngora)
> > 11  Brady Brim-DeForest (Bradybd)
> > 12  Lourie Pieterse (LouriePieterse)
> > 13  Adam Koenigsberg (CastAStone)
> > 14  Ralph Potdevin (Aruspice)
> > 15  Beauford Anton Stenberg (B9 hummingbird hovering)
> > 16  Gregory Kohs (Thekohser)
> > 17  Kevin Riley O'Keeffe (KevinOKeeffe)
> > 18  Relly Komaruzaman (Relly Komaruzaman)
> >
> > A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly.
> >
> > These names have been respectfully submitted to the Board, which has
> > moved to seat the top three candidates.
> >
> > The Committee wishes to thank all those who submitted themselves as
> > candidates.  It was a broad and diverse field this year.  We also wish
> > to recognize the many volunteers that helped with this process.  The
> > committee extends its gratitude and thanks to them
> >
> >
> > For the committee,
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Chad]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote:
> While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the
> election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia.
> With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of
> the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly "old guard" Wikimedians
> as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming
> unfriendly to new participants.
> Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too?
>
> If I'm not alone, perhaps any official announcement about the elections
> (i.e. on the Wikimedia blog and in press releases) should address this, even
> if only tacitly.
>
> Steven Walling
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chad  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe
>> Beaudette wrote:
>> > The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the
>> > board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the
>> > candidates ranked as follows:
>> >
>> >  Final ranking
>> >
>> > 1       Ting Chen (Wing)
>> > 2       Kat Walsh (mindspillage)
>> > 3       Samuel Klein (Sj)
>> > 4       Gerard Meijssen (GerardM)
>> > 5       Domas Mituzas (Midom)
>> > 6       Thomas Braun (Redlinux)
>> > 7       Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon Avaro)
>> > 8       Steve Smith (Sarcasticidealist)
>> > 9       Dan Rosenthal (Swatjester)
>> > 10      José Gustavo Góngora (Góngora)
>> > 11      Brady Brim-DeForest (Bradybd)
>> > 12      Lourie Pieterse (LouriePieterse)
>> > 13      Adam Koenigsberg (CastAStone)
>> > 14      Ralph Potdevin (Aruspice)
>> > 15      Beauford Anton Stenberg (B9 hummingbird hovering)
>> > 16      Gregory Kohs (Thekohser)
>> > 17      Kevin Riley O'Keeffe (KevinOKeeffe)
>> > 18      Relly Komaruzaman (Relly Komaruzaman)
>> >
>> > A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly.
>> >
>> > These names have been respectfully submitted to the Board, which has
>> > moved to seat the top three candidates.
>> >
>> > The Committee wishes to thank all those who submitted themselves as
>> > candidates.  It was a broad and diverse field this year.  We also wish
>> > to recognize the many volunteers that helped with this process.  The
>> > committee extends its gratitude and thanks to them
>> >
>> >
>> > For the committee,
>> > Philippe
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Congrats to the winners!
>>
>> -Chad
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Similar to how we have Senators in office for 20+ years...because they
continue to run and people continue to elect them. We certainly had
a wide cross-section of Wikimedians this year. But nobody voted
for them.

-Chad

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Kat Walsh]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe
Beaudette wrote:
> The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the
> board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the
> candidates ranked as follows:

Wikimedia is an amazing thing to be part of and I'm honored to be
chosen again, and I will at least try to make *different* mistakes
this time after hopefully learning from the old ones!

Congrats to Ting and SJ -- and a thank you to Domas, who is not only a
good big scary sysadmin but also a good big scary board member.

Cheers,
Kat


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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Thomas Dalton]

Congratulations to the victors and thank you to all the candidates and
thank you to the departing Domas!

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Andrew Turvey]

My first response is that's probably a reflection of the voting system. When 
you have a non-partisan system like this, there are no clear political pro/con 
reasons to vote for/against particular candidates and the anti-incumbency 
factor doesn't really work. Candidates are likely to be successful if they're 
well known, and that will give an advantage to more established editors. 

However, you might be over-stating this conclusion. All three retiring 
candidates stood again and only two were re-elected - Domas Mituzas lost out to 
sj. 

- "Steven Walling"  wrote: 
> From: "Steven Walling"  
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"  
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 20:07:00 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, 
> Portugal 
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results 
> 
> While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the 
> election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. 
> With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of 
> the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly "old guard" Wikimedians 
> as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming 
> unfriendly to new participants. 
> Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too? 
> 
> If I'm not alone, perhaps any official announcement about the elections 
> (i.e. on the Wikimedia blog and in press releases) should address this, even 
> if only tacitly. 
> 
> Steven Walling 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chad  wrote: 
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe 
> > Beaudette wrote: 
> > > The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the 
> > > board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the 
> > > candidates ranked as follows: 
> > > 
> > > Final ranking 
> > > 
> > > 1 Ting Chen (Wing) 
> > > 2 Kat Walsh (mindspillage) 
> > > 3 Samuel Klein (Sj) 
> > > 4 Gerard Meijssen (GerardM) 
> > > 5 Domas Mituzas (Midom) 
> > > 6 Thomas Braun (Redlinux) 
> > > 7 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon Avaro) 
> > > 8 Steve Smith (Sarcasticidealist) 
> > > 9 Dan Rosenthal (Swatjester) 
> > > 10 José Gustavo Góngora (Góngora) 
> > > 11 Brady Brim-DeForest (Bradybd) 
> > > 12 Lourie Pieterse (LouriePieterse) 
> > > 13 Adam Koenigsberg (CastAStone) 
> > > 14 Ralph Potdevin (Aruspice) 
> > > 15 Beauford Anton Stenberg (B9 hummingbird hovering) 
> > > 16 Gregory Kohs (Thekohser) 
> > > 17 Kevin Riley O'Keeffe (KevinOKeeffe) 
> > > 18 Relly Komaruzaman (Relly Komaruzaman) 
> > > 
> > > A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly. 
> > > 
> > > These names have been respectfully submitted to the Board, which has 
> > > moved to seat the top three candidates. 
> > > 
> > > The Committee wishes to thank all those who submitted themselves as 
> > > candidates. It was a broad and diverse field this year. We also wish 
> > > to recognize the many volunteers that helped with this process. The 
> > > committee extends its gratitude and thanks to them 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > For the committee, 
> > > Philippe 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > 
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Mathias Schindler]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Kat Walsh wrote:

> Congrats to Ting and SJ -- and a thank you to Domas, who is not only a
> good big scary sysadmin but also a good big scary board member.

Congrats to the three (re-)elected board members and all the best for
the upcoming term. The voting system seems to do a great job in
expressing what a majority actually prefers :)

Re Domas, I hope the board is going to rely on his advise and expertise.

Mathias

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Erik Moeller]

Let me add my congratulations to our newly elected or re-elected Board
members. :-)

Domas - thank you for all your contributions as a Board member. I'm
still amazed that you managed to serve on the Board while continuing
your technical volunteer work!
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Pavlo Shevelo]

> A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly.

Would you please add detailed statistic summary (number of people
voted, %% of eligible wikipedians, dice and slice of those to projects
groups etc.) ?
... I mean as detailed as possible - more is better


On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Philippe
Beaudette wrote:
> The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the
> board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the
> candidates ranked as follows:
>
>  Final ranking
>
> 1       Ting Chen (Wing)
> 2       Kat Walsh (mindspillage)
> 3       Samuel Klein (Sj)
> 4       Gerard Meijssen (GerardM)
> 5       Domas Mituzas (Midom)
> 6       Thomas Braun (Redlinux)
> 7       Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon Avaro)
> 8       Steve Smith (Sarcasticidealist)
> 9       Dan Rosenthal (Swatjester)
> 10      José Gustavo Góngora (Góngora)
> 11      Brady Brim-DeForest (Bradybd)
> 12      Lourie Pieterse (LouriePieterse)
> 13      Adam Koenigsberg (CastAStone)
> 14      Ralph Potdevin (Aruspice)
> 15      Beauford Anton Stenberg (B9 hummingbird hovering)
> 16      Gregory Kohs (Thekohser)
> 17      Kevin Riley O'Keeffe (KevinOKeeffe)
> 18      Relly Komaruzaman (Relly Komaruzaman)
>
> A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly.
>
> These names have been respectfully submitted to the Board, which has
> moved to seat the top three candidates.
>
> The Committee wishes to thank all those who submitted themselves as
> candidates.  It was a broad and diverse field this year.  We also wish
> to recognize the many volunteers that helped with this process.  The
> committee extends its gratitude and thanks to them
>
>
> For the committee,
> Philippe
>
>
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Gregory Maxwell]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote:
>> A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly.
>
> Would you please add detailed statistic summary (number of people
> voted, %% of eligible wikipedians, dice and slice of those to projects
> groups etc.) ?
> ... I mean as detailed as possible - more is better

{{Sofixit}}

The things you are asking for should be possible with already
available public data.  These things would be good, but they are
things that *you* can do. :)

Please save the election committees' cycles for dealing with whatever
non-public stuff remains. :)

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Marco Chiesa]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Andrew
Turvey wrote:
> My first response is that's probably a reflection of the voting system. When 
> you have a non-partisan system like this, there are no clear political 
> pro/con reasons to vote for/against particular candidates and the 
> anti-incumbency factor doesn't really work. Candidates are likely to be 
> successful if they're well known, and that will give an advantage to more 
> established editors.
>
> However, you might be over-stating this conclusion. All three retiring 
> candidates stood again and only two were re-elected - Domas Mituzas lost out 
> to sj.

Congratulations to Ting, Kat and Sj for being elected, and to
committee for handling such a complex vote so smoothly. I think the
community has chosen really well, and seeing that also the runners-up
are well-known people, it's clear that the voiting system works well.
Cruccone

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Pavlo Shevelo]

> The things you are asking for should be possible with already
> available public data.  These things would be good, but they are
> things that *you* can do. :)

Maybe my English is not good enough but I don't get it:
Either you suggest that it will be possible or you're quite sure about that?

... and what about data correction due to dramatic error being discussed.

... and where are those public data anyhow?
(you may call me dummy, but I have no clue about that)


On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote:
>>> A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly.
>>
>> Would you please add detailed statistic summary (number of people
>> voted, %% of eligible wikipedians, dice and slice of those to projects
>> groups etc.) ?
>> ... I mean as detailed as possible - more is better
>
> {{Sofixit}}
>
> The things you are asking for should be possible with already
> available public data.  These things would be good, but they are
> things that *you* can do. :)
>
> Please save the election committees' cycles for dealing with whatever
> non-public stuff remains. :)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Gregory Maxwell]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote:
> Maybe my English is not good enough but I don't get it:

Your English is far better than my Ukrainian.  I apologise for not
being more clear.

> Either you suggest that it will be possible or you're quite sure about that?
> ... and what about data correction due to dramatic error being discussed.
> ... and where are those public data anyhow?
> (you may call me dummy, but I have no clue about that)

The list of voters and projects is available at

https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php?limit=5000&title=Special%3ASecurePoll%2Flist%2F17

Rough eligibility can be derived from edit histories. This is a bit
harder to calculate, though anyone with a toolserver account could do
this.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Pavlo Shevelo]

{{You're laughing on me }}

:(

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote:
>> Maybe my English is not good enough but I don't get it:
>
> Your English is far better than my Ukrainian.  I apologise for not
> being more clear.
>
>> Either you suggest that it will be possible or you're quite sure about that?
>> ... and what about data correction due to dramatic error being discussed.
>> ... and where are those public data anyhow?
>> (you may call me dummy, but I have no clue about that)
>
> The list of voters and projects is available at
>
> https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php?limit=5000&title=Special%3ASecurePoll%2Flist%2F17
>
> Rough eligibility can be derived from edit histories. This is a bit
> harder to calculate, though anyone with a toolserver account could do
> this.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Sean Whitton]

Hi,

Congratulations Ting, Kat and Samuel. Thanks for everything so far and
more to come, domas :)

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 20:07, Steven Walling wrote:
> While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the
> election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia.
> With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of
> the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly "old guard" Wikimedians
> as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming
> unfriendly to new participants.
> Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too?

Since the board of the Wikimedia Foundation is our ultimate authority
(where necessary), surely it should be made up of old hands and
experienced veterans who, by being around and demonstrating their
sanity repeatedly, are most likely to be successful in the role? We
should encourage new contributors in more accessible jobs, where they
can make an equally valuable contribution, while putting those who (we
would like to think) have proved themselves to be committed and
knowledgeable in the ultimate positions of responsibility and power.

S

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Brion Vibber]

On 8/12/09 12:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote:
> While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the
> election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia.
> With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of
> the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly "old guard" Wikimedians
> as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming
> unfriendly to new participants.
> Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too?

On the contrary, getting the old guard more active is essential in 
resolving such community issues -- Wikipedia was much more 
newbie-friendly in its first couple of years than it is today, and we 
need to recover that spirit.

-- brion

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Steven Walling]

Let me clarify: I'm not actually arguing that anything is wrong with the
election system, the results, or having old hands on the Board. On the
contrary. I'm just wondering if this election (even if it's not unusual)
might be conflated with the PARC stats on the community that have gotten so
much attention from the media lately. That's all.
Steven Walling

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Brion Vibber  wrote:

> On 8/12/09 12:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote:
> > While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the
> > election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia.
> > With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state
> of
> > the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly "old guard"
> Wikimedians
> > as our Board representation will support claims about the community
> becoming
> > unfriendly to new participants.
> > Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too?
>
> On the contrary, getting the old guard more active is essential in
> resolving such community issues -- Wikipedia was much more
> newbie-friendly in its first couple of years than it is today, and we
> need to recover that spirit.
>
> -- brion
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Brion Vibber]

On 8/12/09 1:48 PM, Steven Walling wrote:
> Let me clarify: I'm not actually arguing that anything is wrong with the
> election system, the results, or having old hands on the Board. On the
> contrary. I'm just wondering if this election (even if it's not unusual)
> might be conflated with the PARC stats on the community that have gotten so
> much attention from the media lately. That's all.

a) I doubt it
and
b) I gave an example response of why that's not a bad thing

-- brion

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Milos Rancic]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote:
> {{You're laughing on me }}
>
> :(

I don't think so. "Your English is better than my 
language." is a honest response.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Milos Rancic]

BTW, congratulations from me, too.

I expect that:
* Kate will stay as a hardline defender of the community interests;
* Ting will continue to promote interests of the worldwide Wikimedians;
* Samuel will bring fresh ideas about which he talked publicly, as
well as privately with many of us.

I also hope that the Board will find a way how to engage Gerard and
Domas more into the WMF issues.

(And, articles in English are still mystery for me :])

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Pavlo Shevelo]

> I don't think so. "Your English is better than my 
> language." is a honest response.

Thank you, Milos, I appreciate your input.

I meant another... aspect - like

> Rough eligibility can be derived from edit histories. This is a bit
> harder to calculate, though anyone with a toolserver account could do
> this.

... meaning that:
* I do believe that election comity should (if not have to / must)
share statistic data which is in their possession
as well as
* I don't have (and never had) toolserver account
etc.

So

{{Sofixit}}

looks like more the "friendliness to newcomers" issue (for this
mailing list and beyond) which is so popular in _discussions_ here
last time.


On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Milos Rancic wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Pavlo Shevelo 
> wrote:
>> {{You're laughing on me }}
>>
>> :(
>
> I don't think so. "Your English is better than my 
> language." is a honest response.
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Chad]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote:
>> I don't think so. "Your English is better than my 
>> language." is a honest response.
>
> Thank you, Milos, I appreciate your input.
>
> I meant another... aspect - like
>
>> Rough eligibility can be derived from edit histories. This is a bit
>> harder to calculate, though anyone with a toolserver account could do
>> this.
>
> ... meaning that:
> * I do believe that election comity should (if not have to / must)
> share statistic data which is in their possession
> as well as
> * I don't have (and never had) toolserver account
> etc.
>
> So
>
> {{Sofixit}}
>
> looks like more the "friendliness to newcomers" issue (for this
> mailing list and beyond) which is so popular in _discussions_ here
> last time.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Milos Rancic wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Pavlo Shevelo 
>> wrote:
>>> {{You're laughing on me }}
>>>
>>> :(
>>
>> I don't think so. "Your English is better than my 
>> language." is a honest response.
>>
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Well, the raw data is certainly available, but more involved
statistics will take someone with time and a computer to
do the number crunching. That was Greg's original point,
that anyone can use the data if they'd like, for whatever
statistical analysis suits your needs.

-Chad

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Brian]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Philippe Beaudette <
pbeaude...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the
> board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the
> candidates ranked as follows:
>
>  Final ranking
>
> 1   Ting Chen (Wing)
> 2   Kat Walsh (mindspillage)
> 3   Samuel Klein (Sj)
>


Congrats to Tin, Kat & especially SJ!
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Luna]

Congrats to the winners, and thanks to all those who had the courage to
stand up and offer themselves as candidates.

-Luna
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Kwan Ting Chan]

Congratz indeed to the (re)elected, and thank you Domas for all your 
work, both within and outwith the Board.


Andrew Turvey wrote:
My first response is that's probably a reflection of the voting system. When you have a non-partisan system like this, there are no clear political pro/con reasons to vote for/against particular candidates and the anti-incumbency factor doesn't really work. Candidates are likely to be successful if they're well known, and that will give an advantage to more established editors. 

However, you might be over-stating this conclusion. All three retiring candidates stood again and only two were re-elected - Domas Mituzas lost out to sj. 



I'll have to agree, and also point out that it's a bit silly classing 
Ting as "old guard". Yes, he's a returning member of the board, but 
considering he was only elected last year, it's not so surprising he did 
well again this year.


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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Pedro Sanchez]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote:

> While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the
> election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia.
> With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of
> the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly "old guard" Wikimedians
> as our Board representation will support claims about the community
> becoming
> unfriendly to new participants.
> Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too?
>
>
> Steven Walling
>
>
Yes, you're becoming too nervous.
We're doing fine, we're doing right, we had and election and we have decided
who's going to be on board.

Whatever the "media outlets" want to think is not somethign we should lose
sleep over to.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

[Ray Saintonge]

Brion Vibber wrote:
> On 8/12/09 12:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote:
>   
>> While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the
>> election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia.
>> With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of
>> the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly "old guard" Wikimedians
>> as our Board representation will support claims about the community becoming
>> unfriendly to new participants.
>> Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too?
>> 
> On the contrary, getting the old guard more active is essential in 
> resolving such community issues -- Wikipedia was much more 
> newbie-friendly in its first couple of years than it is today, and we 
> need to recover that spirit.
>   

I concur.  As you described in another thread about dividing your job in 
two, one can too easily get caught up in administrative tasks and forget 
what got us involved in the first place.  We hang on because we still 
believe in the vision, and that vision comes with a deeply felt ethic.  
The old guard may even be more committed to democratic principles than 
the young Turks who profess to be. The dilemma therein for the old guard 
lies in the fact that the solution may lie in bold actions that conflict 
with our democratic ethic.

Ec

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Thomas Morton]

Latest update from the election officials:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABoard_elections%2F2011&action=historysubmit&diff=2667116&oldid=2666426
*
*
Tom
*
*
On 17 June 2011 12:53, Austin Hair  wrote:

> It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I
> have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single
> thread about the WMF board election results.
>
> I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you
> guys. In any case, I beg your forgiveness when I myself ask:
>
> What are the results, and why haven't they been released yet?
>
> Austin
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[MZMcBride]

Austin Hair wrote:
> What are the results, and why haven't they been released yet?

Matanya wrote:
> I'm really sorry no word was said until now, but we have some technical
> problems. We have been working on them for last 24h, and hope they are
> solved. I hope (no guarantees), that results will be out in the next 24h.
> Sorry Matanya 14:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2667116&oldid=2666426

Naturally I assume "technical problems" is a euphemism.

The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in
setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why
it's been unable to meet the deadline. Pages such as
 have simply
seen their verb tense shifted. For something of this importance, the whole
situation is really rather unacceptable.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Harel Cain]

Yes, I find this situation, especially on the part of the election
committee, as something between a sign of disrespect and a sign of
indifference.
I think the thousands of voters and the 19 candidates, who have spent a lot
of time in their pursuing their candidacy, deserve better than this.

Can someone from the election committee give us a better status report?


Harel Cain
Wikimedia Israel / Hebrew Wikipedia




On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:06, MZMcBride  wrote:

> Austin Hair wrote:
> > What are the results, and why haven't they been released yet?
>
> Matanya wrote:
> > I'm really sorry no word was said until now, but we have some technical
> > problems. We have been working on them for last 24h, and hope they are
> > solved. I hope (no guarantees), that results will be out in the next 24h.
> > Sorry Matanya 14:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
>
> Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2667116&oldid=2666426
>
> Naturally I assume "technical problems" is a euphemism.
>
> The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in
> setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why
> it's been unable to meet the deadline. Pages such as
>  have
> simply
> seen their verb tense shifted. For something of this importance, the whole
> situation is really rather unacceptable.
>
> MZMcBride
>
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Amir E. Aharoni]

2011/6/17 Austin Hair :
> It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I
> have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single
> thread about the WMF board election results.
>
> I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you
> guys.

Proud :)

2011/6/17 MZMcBride :
> The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in
> setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why
> it's been unable to meet the deadline.

It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Thehelpfulone]

Update from Mardetanha:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2669988&oldid=2669838&rcid=2608446

"As far as I can say, we are very hopeful that we can announce the results
within several hours, we are almost done
*Mardetanha*
 talk  13:24, 17 June
2011 (UTC)"

Thehelpfulone

On 17 June 2011 13:36, Amir E. Aharoni  wrote:

> 2011/6/17 Austin Hair :
> > It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I
> > have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single
> > thread about the WMF board election results.
> >
> > I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you
> > guys.
>
> Proud :)
>
> 2011/6/17 MZMcBride :
> > The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either
> in
> > setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating
> why
> > it's been unable to meet the deadline.
>
> It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too.
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[MZMcBride]

Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
> 2011/6/17 MZMcBride :
>> The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in
>> setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why
>> it's been unable to meet the deadline.
> 
> It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too.

I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing
lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Jan-Bart de Vreede]

Hello Everyone,

As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a 
little more patience on their behalf. 

Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not help 
matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are spread out 
across several time zones.

Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was 
very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job 
(please feel free to volunteer for the next elections)

That being said, I think you will not have to wait much longer. The election 
committee is taking the final steps towards publishing the results.

Jan-Bart de Vreede
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On Jun 17, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:

> 2011/6/17 Austin Hair :
>> It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I
>> have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single
>> thread about the WMF board election results.
>> 
>> I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you
>> guys.
> 
> Proud :)
> 
> 2011/6/17 MZMcBride :
>> The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in
>> setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why
>> it's been unable to meet the deadline.
> 
> It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too.
> 
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Joe Gazz84]

On 6/17/2011 9:31 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a 
> little more patience on their behalf.
>
> Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not 
> help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are 
> spread out across several time zones.
>
> Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was 
> very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job 
> (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections)
>
> That being said, I think you will not have to wait much longer. The election 
> committee is taking the final steps towards publishing the results.
>
> Jan-Bart de Vreede
> Board Liaison Election Committee
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these potential problems weren't thought about previously when choosing 
to use a third-party. In the future, I think we need to come up with a 
list of potential problems to prevent situations like this.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Domas Mituzas]

Hi!

> I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing
> lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though.

I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too. 

Domas
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Jan-Bart de Vreede]

Hi

Just to make sure we don't jump to the wrong conclusion.

This is my fourth Board election. Every time we have relied on Software in the 
Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org/) do be the trusted third party. Every 
time they have been extremely fast and flexible in their volunteer services 
towards us. I am extremely grateful for all that they have done.

But when a call for volunteers is made, and their timezones differ from each 
other, the office (and tech support) and SPI-Inc, that complicates matters when 
several checks are needed to confirm and verify. 

Jan-Bart


On Jun 17, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Joe Gazz84 wrote:

> On 6/17/2011 9:31 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a 
>> little more patience on their behalf.
>> 
>> Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not 
>> help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are 
>> spread out across several time zones.
>> 
>> Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was 
>> very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job 
>> (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections)
>> 
>> That being said, I think you will not have to wait much longer. The election 
>> committee is taking the final steps towards publishing the results.
>> 
>> Jan-Bart de Vreede
>> Board Liaison Election Committee
>> 
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> Thank you for this update, we appreciate it. I am disappointed that 
> these potential problems weren't thought about previously when choosing 
> to use a third-party. In the future, I think we need to come up with a 
> list of potential problems to prevent situations like this.
> 
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Nathan]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede
 wrote:
> Hi
>
> Just to make sure we don't jump to the wrong conclusion.
>
> This is my fourth Board election. Every time we have relied on Software in 
> the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org/) do be the trusted third party. 
> Every time they have been extremely fast and flexible in their volunteer 
> services towards us. I am extremely grateful for all that they have done.
>
> But when a call for volunteers is made, and their timezones differ from each 
> other, the office (and tech support) and SPI-Inc, that complicates matters 
> when several checks are needed to confirm and verify.
>
> Jan-Bart
>


Perfectly reasonable. Best way to forestall criticism in future
elections is to just be open and communicative -- before the results
are late.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Jan-Bart de Vreede]

Fully agreed :)

On Jun 17, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Nathan wrote:

> 
> Perfectly reasonable. Best way to forestall criticism in future
> elections is to just be open and communicative -- before the results
> are late.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Austin Hair]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede
 wrote:
> As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a 
> little more patience on their behalf.
>
> Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not 
> help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are 
> spread out across several time zones.
>
> Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was 
> very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job 
> (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections)

It shouldn't be thankless, so let me express my sincere appreciation
to Abbas, Jon, Mardetanha, Matanya, and Ryan. I know that it's not
easy, and I know that getting it right is more important than getting
it fast.

I won't speak for anyone else's motivations, but let me be clear that
I was only looking for something, anything, updating us on an overdue
deadline that many of us—the candidates, surely not the least—are
eagerly awaiting.

And yes, it's easy to let personal curiosity get overtaken by a
feeling of righteous indignation, but I have to say that a message
from ElecCom would have been really nice.

Austin

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Joe Gazz84]

On 6/17/2011 10:01 AM, Austin Hair wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede
>   wrote:
>> As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a 
>> little more patience on their behalf.
>>
>> Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not 
>> help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are 
>> spread out across several time zones.
>>
>> Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was 
>> very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job 
>> (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections)
> It shouldn't be thankless, so let me express my sincere appreciation
> to Abbas, Jon, Mardetanha, Matanya, and Ryan. I know that it's not
> easy, and I know that getting it right is more important than getting
> it fast.
>
> I won't speak for anyone else's motivations, but let me be clear that
> I was only looking for something, anything, updating us on an overdue
> deadline that many of us—the candidates, surely not the least—are
> eagerly awaiting.
>
> And yes, it's easy to let personal curiosity get overtaken by a
> feeling of righteous indignation, but I have to say that a message
> from ElecCom would have been really nice.
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could be done without this committee. This shouldn't be a thankless 
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[MZMcBride]

Domas Mituzas wrote:
>> I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to
>> mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though.
> 
> I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.

Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to
say.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Austin Hair]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> Domas Mituzas wrote:
>>> I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to
>>> mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though.
>>
>> I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.
>
> Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to
> say.

Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me.

Austin

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Harel Cain]

I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread:
it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught me
this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the results
page that was missing and would have spared us this thread.

Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :)


Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem,

Harel

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hair  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> > Domas Mituzas wrote:
> >>> I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to
> >>> mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this,
> though.
> >>
> >> I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.
> >
> > Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to
> > say.
>
> Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me.
>
> Austin
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Theo10011]

Results are out.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en


Theo

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Harel Cain  wrote:

> I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread:
> it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught me
> this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the results
> page that was missing and would have spared us this thread.
>
> Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :)
>
>
> Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem,
>
> Harel
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hair  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> > > Domas Mituzas wrote:
> > >>> I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to
> > >>> mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this,
> > though.
> > >>
> > >> I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.
> > >
> > > Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful
> to
> > > say.
> >
> > Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me.
> >
> > Austin
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Nathan]

Congrats Ting, Sj and Kat on your re-election.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Michael Snow]

On 6/17/2011 7:54 AM, Theo10011 wrote:
> Results are out.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en
Congratulations to Ting, SJ, and Kat, I'm glad that you will be 
continuing in your good work! Thanks also to the election committee, and 
just to remind them that they are not done - I'm certain people are 
interested in seeing the full results matrix as well, so it would be 
appreciated if they can release that at some point.

--Michael Snow

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Harel Cain]

Congratulations!! and thanks for the fun experience of running for the
board...

One thing the board might want to concern itself with now is how to allow
for more change in the next elections, in other words how to counteract the
built-in advantages of the incumbent(s), which in the board elections is
even bigger than in usual political elections.


Harel Cain
Wikimedia Israel / Hebrew Wikipedia

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> Congrats Ting, Sj and Kat on your re-election.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Alec Conroy]

> Congrats Ting, Sj and Kat on your re-election.
Congrats to all the participants, particularly the three re-elected incumbents:
I think this was the single most predictable single outcome--  we can
poke and prod individual candidates, but collectively, _as a board_ ,
they've never done anything too controversial.   The servers keep
running, the lights stay on, and the funding looks great.
Re-electing all incumbents is a credit to the individuals in question
and to the foundation organization as a whole.

Good work everyone!  Special thanks to the election committee members
who had so much work to do in this process.

Alec

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Alec Conroy]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Harel Cain  wrote:
> One thing the board might want to concern itself with now is how to allow
> for more change in the next elections, in other words how to counteract the
> built-in advantages of the incumbent(s), which in the board elections is
> even bigger than in usual political elections.

I suspect the board will recruit, formally or informally, the top n
runners-up to help provide the usual "new blood"ish infusion that a
normal election result provides.The global community wants to keep
the keys in the current hands, but it did also point out others it
likes, and we should be sure to keep engaging them at the
movement-wide strategy level.

Alec

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Casey Brown]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Alec Conroy  wrote:
> I suspect the board will recruit, formally or informally, the top n
> runners-up to help provide the usual "new blood"ish infusion that a
> normal election result provides.    The global community wants to keep
> the keys in the current hands, but it did also point out others it
> likes, and we should be sure to keep engaging them at the
> movement-wide strategy level.

Most of these people are already involved in the foundation and
meta-level, which is why they ran for the board in the first place.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Joan Goma]

Congratulations to Ting Chen, Samuel Klein, and Kat Walsh on your reelection
you have gained again the confidence of the editors so they are reasonably
happy whit things as they are I wish you continue doing this great job and
keeping their confidence.

Thanks to all the other candidates for making innovative and interesting
proposals it seems that we have not been able to offer alternatives
attractive enough but I have had a lot of fun in the process and I hope all
of you too.

Finally thank you to Abbas, Jon, Mardetanha, Mantaya, and Ryan for your job.
I would like to ask for the full pairwise results.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[CherianTinu Abraham]

Congrats Ting, Sj and Kat ... Well deserved.

I personally wished to see at least one new face, though. :)

Regards
Tinu Cherian

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Theo10011  wrote:

> Results are out.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en
>
>
> Theo
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Harel Cain  wrote:
>
> > I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread:
> > it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught
> me
> > this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the
> results
> > page that was missing and would have spared us this thread.
> >
> > Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :)
> >
> >
> > Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem,
> >
> > Harel
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hair  wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> > > > Domas Mituzas wrote:
> > > >>> I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting
> to
> > > >>> mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this,
> > > though.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.
> > > >
> > > > Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful
> > to
> > > > say.
> > >
> > > Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from
> me.
> > >
> > > Austin
> > >
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 06/17/2011 10:54 AM, Theo10011 wrote:
> Results are out.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en

Congratulations on the incumbents for their reelections.

I must admit that I am simultaneously disappointed and a little bit 
relieved that I wasn't elected.  It's a tough crowd you face.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Kat Walsh]

Thank you all for your congratulations and your support!

(And congratulations to the rest of the candidates, whose leadership
and dedication are obvious in chapters, committees, and other
projects; I look forward to continuing to work with you.)

Cheers,
Kat

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Jon Harald Søby]

2011/6/17 Joan Goma 

> Congratulations to Ting Chen, Samuel Klein, and Kat Walsh on your
> reelection
> you have gained again the confidence of the editors so they are reasonably
> happy whit things as they are I wish you continue doing this great job and
> keeping their confidence.
>
> Thanks to all the other candidates for making innovative and interesting
> proposals it seems that we have not been able to offer alternatives
> attractive enough but I have had a lot of fun in the process and I hope all
> of you too.
>
> Finally thank you to Abbas, Jon, Mardetanha, Mantaya, and Ryan for your
> job.
> I would like to ask for the full pairwise results.
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Thanks, pairwise results will come (Mardetanha will hopefully publish them
soon unless I mistunderstood him).

I would like to apologize for the delays on our part, we understand that it
is frustrating to be sitting on the edge of the seat without knowing when
results arrive. Communication could definitely have been better.

As I wrote in the board report, I think the elections would benefit from a
semi-permanent committee, instead of an election-by-election-based
committee. This would help counter repeats of the same mistakes, and
smoothen things out. This year none of us were very technically-minded, and
we learned that we definitely should have someone who can take care of that
part as a committee member.

In the beginning there were only three volunteers, but after some asking
around we got two more (Matanya and Mardetanha), and there is a lot of work
to do, so more volunteers is always nice. (Not trying to be apologetic here,
there are many things we could have done better, and we should take
self-criticism on that; I'm just trying to explain some of the factors
involved.)

Finally, congratulations to the winners! It is well-deserved. :-)
Oh, and we will put up a post-mortem page on Meta soon, and all feedback is
very welcome.

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mvh
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Milos Rancic]

First, congratulations to reelected Board members! As a steward and
member of some committees, I had very good cooperation with them, and
I am sure that we'll have in the future, too.

Second, I would like to thank to all of those who voted for me and
especially to all of those who didn't. I couldn't imagine better
result for myself personally:
* While I know that changes are important for all of us, I am a bit
anxious about changes in my life. As nothing has changed, I am quite
happy.
* A lot of Wikimedians voted for me, which means that my work matters
to the significant portion of the community. That gives more reasons
to me to continue my present work.
* Finally and most importantly, I wouldn't have to fulfill my
electoral promises.

As I said, I am quite happy with the results. Important issues, like
community participation in decision-making processes, have been opened
during the elections; some of them have been opened before the
elections. I am here to stay and work on them.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[KTC]

On 17/06/2011 18:20, Jon Harald Søby wrote:

>
> As I wrote in the board report, I think the elections would benefit from a
> semi-permanent committee, instead of an election-by-election-based
> committee. This would help counter repeats of the same mistakes, and
> smoothen things out. This year none of us were very technically-minded, and
> we learned that we definitely should have someone who can take care of that
> part as a committee member.

Well, you have been on it for a few times now Jon. ;-)

KTC

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Mike Dupont]

Congrats to the winners! What a great team.

BTW, we are going to be organizing a new conference the first weekend of
november in Prishtina, again, skf11 the third edition. It would be great to
get some speakers from wikimedia, we have had milos, gerardm (in vlore,
albania at the partner event freesb) , who else might be interested?

mike


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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[David Gerard]

On 17 June 2011 16:19, Alec Conroy  wrote:

> I suspect the board will recruit, formally or informally, the top n
> runners-up to help provide the usual "new blood"ish infusion that a
> normal election result provides.    The global community wants to keep
> the keys in the current hands, but it did also point out others it
> likes, and we should be sure to keep engaging them at the
> movement-wide strategy level.


I think this is an essential next step. Being volunteered into a job
is the standard reward for showing competence in public ...


- d.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Ting Chen]

Hello all,

at first thank you all for take part in the election, especially to the 
volunteers on the Elections Committee. As most of 
organizing-an-event-job, there are always a lot of work that the 
attendees of the events don't necessarily see. I also want to thank 
everyone who take part in the voting. Whoever you have voted, it is an 
important feedback for us all, and an important feedback for our works 
in the past and our works ahead. Many thanks to the candidates who had 
competed in a very fair and civil manner. The exchange of ideas and 
views with all of you is very refreshing and gives me new impulses. A 
very special thank this time to Alec McConroy, who had put up very tough 
questions and as soon as I had caught breath (see below), I will 
continue our conversation on meta.

Actually in this year I got the news of the election result later than 
most of you. I was mostly on travel last week, and had visited Almaty, 
Kazakhstan. Something really remarkable is happenning there. Our 
volunteers there had started to organize a nationwide movement and had 
found support in the politics, companies and media. The Kazakh 
Encyclopedia had decided to put its up-to-date 16-band encyclopedia 
under a free licence. There are initiatives in the parliament to make 
the copyright law more clear and supportive in respect of free-licenses, 
and the biggest national welfare fund "Samruk-Kazyna" had decided to 
fund activities to build up the Kazakh Wikipedia. Our volunteers there 
are going to start ambassador programs in the universities in Almaty and 
had set the very ambitious goal to expand the Kazakh Wikipedia into 200k 
articles until December 16th, the 20th independance day of the Republic 
Kazakhstan, not by using bots, but by writing and translating qualified 
articles. That would mean about ten fold of the article amount than at 
the moment. It was on my way from airport back how when I got the first 
congratulations, before I got know the result.

And tomorrow I am going to Den Bosch to celebrate with our volunteers in 
the Netherlands 10 Years Netherlandish Wikipedia.

It is by chance that these two events lye so near by each other, but I 
also think that there is an intrinsic link between them. It is our work 
until now, and I mean really OUR, every volunteer, that inspire and 
attract new people from around the world. Our success hetherto shows how 
a world of sharing and a world of free knowledge could look like. It is 
really true, that we are building a heritage, a world heritage, 
recognized officially or not. It is a world heritage because so many 
people, from so many places, put their hands on it. All of us collected 
it, shaped it, byte by byte, section by section.

And because of this, as in every of my speech, my best and sincere 
thank, goes to our volunteers, every single one of you.

Greetings
Ting

On 17.06.2011 16:54, wrote Theo10011:
> Results are out.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en
>
>
> Theo
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Harel Cain  wrote:
>
>> I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread:
>> it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught me
>> this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the results
>> page that was missing and would have spared us this thread.
>>
>> Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :)
>>
>>
>> Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem,
>>
>> Harel
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hair  wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
 Domas Mituzas wrote:
>> I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to
>> mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this,
>>> though.
> I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.
 Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful
>> to
 say.
>>> Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me.
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Patricio Lorente]

Congratulations to Ting, SJ and Kat! I'm sure you are going to keep on
the good work and to address some of the things that have been said in
this election.

Good luck!

Patricio

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Samuel Klein]

On Friday, June 17, 2011, Patricio Lorente  wrote:
> Congratulations to Ting, SJ and Kat!

Thank you Patricio, and all who shared congratulations.

This is a tricky time for the projects and the Foundation - we are
squarely facing a drop in participation for the first time.  Among
other things, we need fresh ideas and insights more than ever.

So I sympathize with Tinu - change is important. - and with Harel, we
should take care to balance the advantages of incumbency.  A longer
period for debate and questions and translation, and an official
debate or set of well-organized questions, would help.

Patricio writes:
>I'm sure you are going to keep on
> the good work and to address some of the things that have been said in
> this election.

I thought you in particular made some excellent points about equity in
communication and accountable governance.  I hope you will continue to
push for your suggestions.

Regards,
SJ

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Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

[Ting Chen]

Ah, sorry, read this too late. I had already promised the dutch chapter 
to attend their conference. Sorry, would have like to go. And meanwhile 
I am really out of my vocation days :-D

Wish you a good event.

Ting

On 17.06.2011 20:31, wrote Mike Dupont:
> Congrats to the winners! What a great team.
>
> BTW, we are going to be organizing a new conference the first weekend of
> november in Prishtina, again, skf11 the third edition. It would be great to
> get some speakers from wikimedia, we have had milos, gerardm (in vlore,
> albania at the partner event freesb) , who else might be interested?
>
> mike
>
>


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Ting

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