Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
So, the law was finally rejected or it was not voted yet? 2011/10/6 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com Not so easy. Yesterday an amendment has been officially proposed, not approved. It will be discussed into the parliament camera, then into the parliament senate. Only if both will accept it without modifications it'll be valid. Also, the government may ask for trust at the parliament about this law, and in the case it will be approved in its original form, without amendments. Maybe your countries are more slender, but in Itlay we are very very burocratics. That's simply a step, not the goal I agree with this. It's very easy for politicians to say Yes, we've heard what you have said and your views are very important to us. We'll definitely think very hard about taking your views into account. - and then completely ignore you. Don't trust them :-) Chris ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:26 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: So, the law was finally rejected or it was not voted yet? It hasn't been voted yet. Cruccone ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
very often in italian history, italian politicians use to postpone votings. This is tactics: when people gets angry for a law proposal, they delay its approval saying we trust you, with the hope that later people wouldnt notice the law proposal. About this law this has already happened: it was originally proposed in 2009 then delayed, now proposed then delayed because of our protest. Il giorno domenica 23 ottobre 2011, Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com ha scritto: On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:26 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: So, the law was finally rejected or it was not voted yet? It hasn't been voted yet. Cruccone ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up in Italy. /me claps Good show, Italy. Knowledge is free. -- ~Keegan Not so easy. Yesterday an amendment has been officially proposed, not approved. It will be discussed into the parliament camera, then into the parliament senate. Only if both will accept it without modifications it'll be valid. Also, the government may ask for trust at the parliament about this law, and in the case it will be approved in its original form, without amendments. Maybe your countries are more slender, but in Itlay we are very very burocratics. That's simply a step, not the goal ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
We'd be nice as well to have it back asap. And we are prompt to do so. But, please, take into account that the article you linked is actually totally not accurate, not to say that is just wrong: at the moment the law is unapproved, the controversial piece of the law is absolutely unchanged. What we have achieved is that there is a general orientation to discuss some improvements (which will met our point), and today will be the critical day for the related discussions in the Italian Parliament. The it.wiki community is currently oriented to wait until this afternoon, to see if the promised improvements are real or if are only political tactics: there is an OPEN discussion about this point herehttp://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Sciopero:_il_punto_della_situazione. Few more hour of patience to see if we have achieved real results and we'll be back. Pap3rinik Message: 8 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:27:14 +0300 From: Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com Subject: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now? To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 4e8d2e22.2040...@wikia-inc.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up in Italy. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Jalo jal...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe your countries are more slender If there is one thing that cannot be said of the denizens of the nation where Wikipedia is hosted, it is that they are slender. And we Brits will be similarly rotund by the end of the decade. Bodnotbod ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
Not so easy. Yesterday an amendment has been officially proposed, not approved. It will be discussed into the parliament camera, then into the parliament senate. Only if both will accept it without modifications it'll be valid. Also, the government may ask for trust at the parliament about this law, and in the case it will be approved in its original form, without amendments. Maybe your countries are more slender, but in Itlay we are very very burocratics. That's simply a step, not the goal I agree with this. It's very easy for politicians to say Yes, we've heard what you have said and your views are very important to us. We'll definitely think very hard about taking your views into account. - and then completely ignore you. Don't trust them :-) Chris ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
As I understand, the change has only been proposed. Possibly another interesting issue will develop: the italian wiki was discontinued by a short vote or poll. I suppose the most democratric way to terminate it would be another vote or poll. How are they gonna have that poll if they locked themselves out? Teun On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote: http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up in Italy. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
The WIki is back online already. But the village pump page was (at least for the last day) available. Lodewijk No dia 6 de Outubro de 2011 18:17, teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.comescreveu: As I understand, the change has only been proposed. Possibly another interesting issue will develop: the italian wiki was discontinued by a short vote or poll. I suppose the most democratric way to terminate it would be another vote or poll. How are they gonna have that poll if they locked themselves out? Teun On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote: http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up in Italy. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote: http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up in Italy. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l /me claps Good show, Italy. Knowledge is free. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
Yay! Congratulations, Wikipedia Italy! Matthew Bowker Sent from my iPod On Oct 5, 2011, at 22:27, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote: http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up in Italy. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 06:27, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote: http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up in Italy. Wikipedia needs to strike just one day to get requests fulfilled. That's good to know! Congratulations to Italian Wikipedians on bold move with great result! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
