Re: [Foundation-l] Indian Minister Kapil Sibal Wants to Censor social
Some updates on this, for anyone interested: http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/any-normal-human-being-would-be-offended/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/facebook-google-tell-india-they-wont-screen-for-derogatory-content/2011/12/06/gIQAUo59YO_blog.html http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/12/06/indias-dreams-of-web-censorship/#axzz1fpN86lWI http://www.legallyindia.com/201112072434/Regulatory/kapil-sibal-to-sterilise-net-but-cis-sting-shows-6-out-of-7-websites-already-trigger-happy-to-censor-content-under-chilling-it-act http://www.livemint.com/2011/12/06130244/Govt-wants-to-scrub-the-Intern.html There's still no clarity on what Kapil Sibal meant/means; whether he's serious; and the rules of the proposed IT act are still worrying; but at least the outcry is now entrenched. On Tuesday 06 December 2011 10:24 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote: > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 09:25:03PM +0530, Achal Prabhala wrote: >>> On Tuesday 06 December 2011 08:27 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: I do not believe that the Indian internet community shares Kapil Sibal's position. Though they'll have to speak for themselves, of course! :-) >>> They have: >>> >>> http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2664 >>> >>> and Mr Sibal's passing thought of yesterday is probably not going >> anywhere. >> >> And hurrah for that! :-) >> > A cautious hurrah. > > In April this year, the Indian government tried to restrict web content by > holding sites and service providers - or 'intermediaries' liable for > content. > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/28/technology/28internet.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=india%20online&st=cse > > These new rules will be considered by Parliament in the winter session - > and continue to pose a huge threat to online freedom of expression in India. > > Best > Bishakha > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Indian Minister Kapil Sibal Wants to Censor social
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 09:25:03PM +0530, Achal Prabhala wrote: > > On Tuesday 06 December 2011 08:27 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > > > I do not believe that the Indian internet community shares Kapil > > > Sibal's position. Though they'll have to speak for > > > themselves, of course! :-) > > They have: > > > > http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2664 > > > > and Mr Sibal's passing thought of yesterday is probably not going > anywhere. > > And hurrah for that! :-) > A cautious hurrah. In April this year, the Indian government tried to restrict web content by holding sites and service providers - or 'intermediaries' liable for content. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/28/technology/28internet.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=india%20online&st=cse These new rules will be considered by Parliament in the winter session - and continue to pose a huge threat to online freedom of expression in India. Best Bishakha ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Indian Minister Kapil Sibal Wants to Censor social
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 09:25:03PM +0530, Achal Prabhala wrote: > On Tuesday 06 December 2011 08:27 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > > I do not believe that the Indian internet community shares Kapil > > Sibal's position. Though they'll have to speak for > > themselves, of course! :-) > They have: > > http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2664 > > and Mr Sibal's passing thought of yesterday is probably not going anywhere. And hurrah for that! :-) My absolute nightmare scenario, of course, is that (the next) Mr Sibal calls Twitter, Facebook, Google, ..., and Wikimedia into his (or her) office; and that they all mutter and hem and haw, except us. We would go "Sir, yes sir! All ready to go sir!". This would leave the other "web 2.0" parties in a politically untenable position. It is my absolute belief that -without intervention- this scenario could happen and, in fact, could have already happened. We have the resources, we have the technology, but (fortunately) we haven't reached consensus on applying them in this manner, yet. Wikimedia needs to be neutral, and rightly so, imo. However -in terms of essential infrastructure, copyright and freedom of speech- we do have certain requirements. If our supporting ecosystem does not meet those requirements, we fail to thrive. Therefore, these essential items do require careful attention from social, financial, technical *and* (unfortunately) political angles. sincerely, Kim Bruning -- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Indian Minister Kapil Sibal Wants to Censor social
On Tuesday 06 December 2011 08:27 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > (Also: seeing reporting on facebook and twitter activity, and > having viewed pages from eg. Hindi Wikipedia, I do not > believe that the Indian internet community shares Kapil > Sibal's position. Though they'll have to speak for > themselves, of course! :-) > > > sincerely, > Kim Bruning > They have: http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2664 and Mr Sibal's passing thought of yesterday is probably not going anywhere. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
