Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[K. Peachey]

I wonder if the Page Translation[1] feature of the Translate
extension[2] would make it easier to manage this, It appears to (but
not written), that when the main translation (en for example) is
"touched" that it will mark the other ones for needing updates.

[1]. http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Page_translation_feature
[2]. http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate

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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[Mono mium]

Might make sense.

2011/9/26 とある白い猫 

> Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be
> difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often
> with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style
> info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal with words.
>
> Feel free to comment at:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
>
>  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[とある白い猫]

Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons
userpage. Consider something like
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc.
It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them
to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much.

The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these
pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we
expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a  wikimania each
year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are templated on
their own.

  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)


2011/9/27 Mono mium 

> Might make sense.
>
> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
>
> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to
> be
> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often
> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style
> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal with words.
> >
> > Feel free to comment at:
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
> >
> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[とある白い猫]

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es

Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows
easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately
making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied.

  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)


2011/9/27 とある白い猫 

> Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons
> userpage. Consider something like
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and
> etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting
> them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much.
>
> The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these
> pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we
> expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a  wikimania each
> year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are templated on
> their own.
>
>   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
>
>
> 2011/9/27 Mono mium 
>
>> Might make sense.
>>
>> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
>>
>> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to
>> be
>> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often
>> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style
>> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal with words.
>> >
>> > Feel free to comment at:
>> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
>> >
>> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it
has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the
translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing.
Thanks,
  GerardM

2011/9/27 とある白い猫 

> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es
>
> Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows
> easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately
> making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied.
>
>  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
>
>
> 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
>
> > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons
> > userpage. Consider something like
> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and
> > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but
> expecting
> > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too
> much.
> >
> > The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these
> > pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we
> > expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a  wikimania each
> > year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are templated on
> > their own.
> >
> >   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> >
> >
> > 2011/9/27 Mono mium 
> >
> >> Might make sense.
> >>
> >> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
> >>
> >> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears
> to
> >> be
> >> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and
> often
> >> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where
> style
> >> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal with
> words.
> >> >
> >> > Feel free to comment at:
> >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
> >> >
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[M. Williamson]

Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't
speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak
English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a page
with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least
rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an
unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international project.


2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen 

> Hoi,
> The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However,
> it
> has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the
> translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
>
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es
> >
> > Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows
> > easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately
> > making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was
> applied.
> >
> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> >
> >
> > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> >
> > > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons
> > > userpage. Consider something like
> > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> > > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and
> > > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but
> > expecting
> > > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too
> > much.
> > >
> > > The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep
> these
> > > pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example
> we
> > > expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a  wikimania
> each
> > > year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are templated
> on
> > > their own.
> > >
> > >   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > >
> > >
> > > 2011/9/27 Mono mium 
> > >
> > >> Might make sense.
> > >>
> > >> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
> > >>
> > >> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears
> > to
> > >> be
> > >> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and
> > often
> > >> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where
> > style
> > >> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal with
> > words.
> > >> >
> > >> > Feel free to comment at:
> > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
> > >> >
> > >> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser
language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match.
Thanks,
   GerardM

2011/9/28 M. Williamson 

> Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't
> speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak
> English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a
> page
> with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least
> rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an
> unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international
> project.
>
>
> 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen 
>
> > Hoi,
> > The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho.
> However,
> > it
> > has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the
> > translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing.
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> >
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es
> > >
> > > Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which
> allows
> > > easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated
> unfortunately
> > > making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was
> > applied.
> > >
> > >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > >
> > >
> > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > >
> > > > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons
> > > > userpage. Consider something like
> > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> > > > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues
> and
> > > > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but
> > > expecting
> > > > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too
> > > much.
> > > >
> > > > The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep
> > these
> > > > pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For
> example
> > we
> > > > expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a  wikimania
> > each
> > > > year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are
> templated
> > on
> > > > their own.
> > > >
> > > >   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2011/9/27 Mono mium 
> > > >
> > > >> Might make sense.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
> > > >>
> > > >> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it
> appears
> > > to
> > > >> be
> > > >> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and
> > > often
> > > >> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where
> > > style
> > > >> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal with
> > > words.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Feel free to comment at:
> > > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
> > > >> >
> > > >> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[M. Williamson]

No reason not to allow users to select their own language easily, especially
given that browser language preferences and location are anything but a
surefire predictor of language preference.


2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen 

> Hoi,
> Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser
> language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> 2011/9/28 M. Williamson 
>
> > Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't
> > speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak
> > English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a
> > page
> > with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least
> > rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an
> > unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international
> > project.
> >
> >
> > 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen 
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho.
> > However,
> > > it
> > > has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the
> > > translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing.
> > > Thanks,
> > >  GerardM
> > >
> > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > >
> > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
> > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
> > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es
> > > >
> > > > Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which
> > allows
> > > > easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated
> > unfortunately
> > > > making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was
> > > applied.
> > > >
> > > >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > > >
> > > > > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons
> > > > > userpage. Consider something like
> > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> > > > > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues
> > and
> > > > > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but
> > > > expecting
> > > > > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just
> too
> > > > much.
> > > > >
> > > > > The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep
> > > these
> > > > > pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For
> > example
> > > we
> > > > > expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a
>  wikimania
> > > each
> > > > > year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are
> > templated
> > > on
> > > > > their own.
> > > > >
> > > > >   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/9/27 Mono mium 
> > > > >
> > > > >> Might make sense.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it
> > appears
> > > > to
> > > > >> be
> > > > >> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated
> and
> > > > often
> > > > >> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure
> where
> > > > style
> > > > >> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal
> with
> > > > words.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Feel free to comment at:
> > > > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
The difficulty is in predicting what language to use when you do not have a
cookie. Obviously, you can select any language you like.
Thanks,
 Gerard

2011/9/28 M. Williamson 

> No reason not to allow users to select their own language easily,
> especially
> given that browser language preferences and location are anything but a
> surefire predictor of language preference.
>
>
> 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen 
>
> > Hoi,
> > Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser
> > language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match.
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
> >
> > 2011/9/28 M. Williamson 
> >
> > > Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who
> don't
> > > speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't
> speak
> > > English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a
> > > page
> > > with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least
> > > rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an
> > > unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international
> > > project.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen 
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho.
> > > However,
> > > > it
> > > > has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the
> > > > translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >  GerardM
> > > >
> > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > > >
> > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
> > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
> > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es
> > > > >
> > > > > Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which
> > > allows
> > > > > easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated
> > > unfortunately
> > > > > making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was
> > > > applied.
> > > > >
> > > > >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my
> commons
> > > > > > userpage. Consider something like
> > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> > > > > > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style
> issues
> > > and
> > > > > > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but
> > > > > expecting
> > > > > > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just
> > too
> > > > > much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to
> keep
> > > > these
> > > > > > pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For
> > > example
> > > > we
> > > > > > expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a
> >  wikimania
> > > > each
> > > > > > year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are
> > > templated
> > > > on
> > > > > > their own.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2011/9/27 Mono mium 
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Might make sense.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it
> > > appears
> > > > > to
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated
> > and
> > > > > often
> > > > > >> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure
> > where
> > > > > style
> > > > > >> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal
> > with
> > > > > words.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Feel free to comment at:
> > > > > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[Béria Lima]

>
> *Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser
> language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match.
> *


No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in
Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English version
of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my language -
In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese.
_
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On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> Hoi,
> Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser
> language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> 2011/9/28 M. Williamson 
>
> > Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't
> > speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak
> > English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a
> > page
> > with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least
> > rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an
> > unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international
> > project.
> >
> >
> > 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen 
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho.
> > However,
> > > it
> > > has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the
> > > translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing.
> > > Thanks,
> > >  GerardM
> > >
> > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > >
> > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
> > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
> > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es
> > > >
> > > > Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which
> > allows
> > > > easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated
> > unfortunately
> > > > making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was
> > > applied.
> > > >
> > > >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > > >
> > > > > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons
> > > > > userpage. Consider something like
> > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> > > > > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues
> > and
> > > > > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but
> > > > expecting
> > > > > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just
> too
> > > > much.
> > > > >
> > > > > The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep
> > > these
> > > > > pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For
> > example
> > > we
> > > > > expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a
>  wikimania
> > > each
> > > > > year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are
> > templated
> > > on
> > > > > their own.
> > > > >
> > > > >   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/9/27 Mono mium 
> > > > >
> > > > >> Might make sense.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it
> > appears
> > > > to
> > > > >> be
> > > > >> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated
> and
> > > > often
> > > > >> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure
> where
> > > > style
> > > > >> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal
> with
> > > > words.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Feel free to comment at:
> > > > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > > >> > ___
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[M. Williamson]

Yes, my browser language is Spanish and I got the page in English. Also, in
response to Gerard's comment: "Obviously, you can select any language you
like." - well, where? Where is the language selector? I don't see it
anywhere. There doesn't appear to be a language list, a selector, a button
or anything like that...


2011/9/29 Béria Lima 

> >
> > *Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser
> > language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match.
> > *
>
>
> No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in
> Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English version
> of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my language
> -
> In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese.
> _
> *Béria Lima*
> (351) 925 171 484
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre
> acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
> fazer .*
>
>
> On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen  >wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser
> > language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match.
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
> >
> > 2011/9/28 M. Williamson 
> >
> > > Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who
> don't
> > > speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't
> speak
> > > English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a
> > > page
> > > with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least
> > > rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an
> > > unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international
> > > project.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen 
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho.
> > > However,
> > > > it
> > > > has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the
> > > > translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >  GerardM
> > > >
> > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > > >
> > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
> > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
> > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es
> > > > >
> > > > > Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which
> > > allows
> > > > > easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated
> > > unfortunately
> > > > > making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was
> > > > applied.
> > > > >
> > > > >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my
> commons
> > > > > > userpage. Consider something like
> > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> > > > > > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style
> issues
> > > and
> > > > > > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but
> > > > > expecting
> > > > > > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just
> > too
> > > > > much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to
> keep
> > > > these
> > > > > > pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For
> > > example
> > > > we
> > > > > > expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a
> >  wikimania
> > > > each
> > > > > > year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are
> > > templated
> > > > on
> > > > > > their own.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2011/9/27 Mono mium 
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Might make sense.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it
> > > appears
> > > > > to
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated
> > and
> > > > > often
> > > > > >> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure
> > where
> > > > > style
> > > > > >> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal
> > with
> > > > > words.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Feel free to comment at:
> > > > > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > > > >> > ___
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[Béria Lima]

M. Williamson, the only way to see the Main Page in other language is log
in, going to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Preferences and change it
to Spanish (which I'm guessing is your native language).

As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes,
I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese.
_
*Béria Lima*
(351) 925 171 484

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
fazer .*


On 29 September 2011 10:28, M. Williamson  wrote:

> Yes, my browser language is Spanish and I got the page in English. Also, in
> response to Gerard's comment: "Obviously, you can select any language you
> like." - well, where? Where is the language selector? I don't see it
> anywhere. There doesn't appear to be a language list, a selector, a button
> or anything like that...
>
>
> 2011/9/29 Béria Lima 
>
> > >
> > > *Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser
> > > language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good
> match.
> > > *
> >
> >
> > No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in
> > Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English
> version
> > of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my
> language
> > -
> > In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese.
> > _
> > *Béria Lima*
> > (351) 925 171 484
> >
> > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> > livre
> > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
> > fazer .*
> >
> >
> > On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser
> > > language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good
> match.
> > > Thanks,
> > >   GerardM
> > >
> > > 2011/9/28 M. Williamson 
> > >
> > > > Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who
> > don't
> > > > speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't
> > speak
> > > > English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to
> a
> > > > page
> > > > with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least
> > > > rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an
> > > > unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international
> > > > project.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen 
> > > >
> > > > > Hoi,
> > > > > The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho.
> > > > However,
> > > > > it
> > > > > has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of
> the
> > > > > translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing.
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >  GerardM
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
> > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
> > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form
> which
> > > > allows
> > > > > > easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated
> > > > unfortunately
> > > > > > making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy
> was
> > > > > applied.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my
> > commons
> > > > > > > userpage. Consider something like
> > > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> > > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> > > > > > > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style
> > issues
> > > > and
> > > > > > > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate
> but
> > > > > > expecting
> > > > > > > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is
> just
> > > too
> > > > > > much.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to
> > keep
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For
> > > > example
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a
> > >  wikimania
> > > > > each
> > > > > > > year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are
> > > > templated
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > their own.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2011/9/27 Mono mium 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Might make sense.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it

Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[Strainu]

2011/9/29 Béria Lima :
> As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes,
> I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese.

Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the
site in their  (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket
science to port that to meta if necessary.

Perhaps you should log a bug on that?

Strainu

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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[M. Williamson]

And of course this is a huge usability problem. Imagine I'm travelling in
the Netherlands and use a public computer in an Internet cafe. I don't have
an account on TranslateWiki, the auto language select is actually working
(it doesn't appear to be working right now), and I don't speak a word of
Dutch. There is no reason to not have a language selector like on Commons,
or some kind of list or bar somewhere on the mainpage to let users switch.


2011/9/29 Béria Lima 

> M. Williamson, the only way to see the Main Page in other language is log
> in, going to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Preferences and change
> it
> to Spanish (which I'm guessing is your native language).
>
> As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes,
> I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese.
> _
> *Béria Lima*
> (351) 925 171 484
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre
> acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
> fazer .*
>
>
> On 29 September 2011 10:28, M. Williamson  wrote:
>
> > Yes, my browser language is Spanish and I got the page in English. Also,
> in
> > response to Gerard's comment: "Obviously, you can select any language you
> > like." - well, where? Where is the language selector? I don't see it
> > anywhere. There doesn't appear to be a language list, a selector, a
> button
> > or anything like that...
> >
> >
> > 2011/9/29 Béria Lima 
> >
> > > >
> > > > *Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the
> browser
> > > > language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good
> > match.
> > > > *
> > >
> > >
> > > No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in
> > > Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English
> > version
> > > of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my
> > language
> > > -
> > > In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese.
> > > _
> > > *Béria Lima*
> > > (351) 925 171 484
> > >
> > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> > > livre
> > > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos
> a
> > > fazer .*
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen  > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the
> browser
> > > > language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good
> > match.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >   GerardM
> > > >
> > > > 2011/9/28 M. Williamson 
> > > >
> > > > > Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who
> > > don't
> > > > > speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't
> > > speak
> > > > > English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/to
> > a
> > > > > page
> > > > > with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least
> > > > > rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an
> > > > > unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international
> > > > > project.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen 
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hoi,
> > > > > > The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho.
> > > > > However,
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of
> > the
> > > > > > translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing.
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >  GerardM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
> > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
> > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form
> > which
> > > > > allows
> > > > > > > easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated
> > > > > unfortunately
> > > > > > > making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy
> > was
> > > > > > applied.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my
> > > commons
> > > > > > > > userpage. Consider something like
> > > > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> > > > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> > > > > > > > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style
> > > issues
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate
> > but
> > > > > > > expecting
> > > > > > > > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is
> > just
> > > > too
> > > > > > > much.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The feature 

Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[M. Williamson]

Yes, when I went to commons I was pleased to get a notice that said
"Wikimedia Commons está disponible en español" at the top of the page.
Doesn't obligate the user to change, and the language chooser bar offers the
user a plethora of other choices in case the language guess was wrong. Would
be nice to see the same thing on Meta. And while we're at it, why isn't
Wikispecies more multilingual?

2011/9/29 Strainu 

> 2011/9/29 Béria Lima :
> > As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes,
> > I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese.
>
> Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the
> site in their  (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket
> science to port that to meta if necessary.
>
> Perhaps you should log a bug on that?
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[とある白い猫]

With all due respect the state of meta main page is at a dismal state. Some
translations are over a year old in content. The goal of this endeavour is
to offer up to date info in many languages. Feel free to hop in to assist
with the effort. :)

  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)


On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 03:12, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> Hoi,
> The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However,
> it
> has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the
> translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
>
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es
> >
> > Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows
> > easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately
> > making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was
> applied.
> >
> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> >
> >
> > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 
> >
> > > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons
> > > userpage. Consider something like
> > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> > > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and
> > > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but
> > expecting
> > > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too
> > much.
> > >
> > > The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep
> these
> > > pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example
> we
> > > expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a  wikimania
> each
> > > year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are templated
> on
> > > their own.
> > >
> > >   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
> > >
> > >
> > > 2011/9/27 Mono mium 
> > >
> > >> Might make sense.
> > >>
> > >> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
> > >>
> > >> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears
> > to
> > >> be
> > >> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and
> > often
> > >> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where
> > style
> > >> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal with
> > words.
> > >> >
> > >> > Feel free to comment at:
> > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
> > >> >
> > >> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[Robin Pepermans]

You can go to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Main_Page?setlang=es but
that's obviously not something everyone knows. I once added a language
selector but it was removed at some point. I added it back now.

2011/9/29 M. Williamson :
> Yes, when I went to commons I was pleased to get a notice that said
> "Wikimedia Commons está disponible en español" at the top of the page.
> Doesn't obligate the user to change, and the language chooser bar offers the
> user a plethora of other choices in case the language guess was wrong. Would
> be nice to see the same thing on Meta. And while we're at it, why isn't
> Wikispecies more multilingual?
>
> 2011/9/29 Strainu 
>
>> 2011/9/29 Béria Lima :
>> > As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes,
>> > I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese.
>>
>> Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the
>> site in their  (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket
>> science to port that to meta if necessary.
>>
>> Perhaps you should log a bug on that?
>>
>> Strainu
>>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[Robin Pepermans]

And by the way, if you want to have a good translatable Meta Main Page
(which is absolutely necessary), you can take a look at Incubator's
http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Main_Page and its system
:-)

2011/9/29 Robin Pepermans :
> You can go to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Main_Page?setlang=es but
> that's obviously not something everyone knows. I once added a language
> selector but it was removed at some point. I added it back now.
>
> 2011/9/29 M. Williamson :
>> Yes, when I went to commons I was pleased to get a notice that said
>> "Wikimedia Commons está disponible en español" at the top of the page.
>> Doesn't obligate the user to change, and the language chooser bar offers the
>> user a plethora of other choices in case the language guess was wrong. Would
>> be nice to see the same thing on Meta. And while we're at it, why isn't
>> Wikispecies more multilingual?
>>
>> 2011/9/29 Strainu 
>>
>>> 2011/9/29 Béria Lima :
>>> > As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes,
>>> > I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese.
>>>
>>> Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the
>>> site in their  (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket
>>> science to port that to meta if necessary.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you should log a bug on that?
>>>
>>> Strainu
>>>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[とある白い猫]

I already devised a good way which is very similar to the page you linked.
:3
  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)


On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 15:49, Robin Pepermans wrote:

> And by the way, if you want to have a good translatable Meta Main Page
> (which is absolutely necessary), you can take a look at Incubator's
> http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Main_Page and its system
> :-)
>
> 2011/9/29 Robin Pepermans :
> > You can go to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Main_Page?setlang=es but
> > that's obviously not something everyone knows. I once added a language
> > selector but it was removed at some point. I added it back now.
> >
> > 2011/9/29 M. Williamson :
> >> Yes, when I went to commons I was pleased to get a notice that said
> >> "Wikimedia Commons está disponible en español" at the top of the page.
> >> Doesn't obligate the user to change, and the language chooser bar offers
> the
> >> user a plethora of other choices in case the language guess was wrong.
> Would
> >> be nice to see the same thing on Meta. And while we're at it, why isn't
> >> Wikispecies more multilingual?
> >>
> >> 2011/9/29 Strainu 
> >>
> >>> 2011/9/29 Béria Lima :
> >>> > As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain:
> Yes,
> >>> > I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese.
> >>>
> >>> Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the
> >>> site in their  (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket
> >>> science to port that to meta if necessary.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps you should log a bug on that?
> >>>
> >>> Strainu
> >>>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[M. Williamson]

...and Nikerabbit removed it giving only the explanation: "not here, per
Nikerabbit (would have already fixed the real issues if only somebody had
told me)"

It seems like he's saying that someone should've let him know about the
autoselection issue, but he doesn't seem to agree that _even with_ auto
language selection, the user should still be able to choose a different
language manually on the mainpage.

2011/9/29 Robin Pepermans 

> You can go to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Main_Page?setlang=es but
> that's obviously not something everyone knows. I once added a language
> selector but it was removed at some point. I added it back now.
>
> 2011/9/29 M. Williamson :
> > Yes, when I went to commons I was pleased to get a notice that said
> > "Wikimedia Commons está disponible en español" at the top of the page.
> > Doesn't obligate the user to change, and the language chooser bar offers
> the
> > user a plethora of other choices in case the language guess was wrong.
> Would
> > be nice to see the same thing on Meta. And while we're at it, why isn't
> > Wikispecies more multilingual?
> >
> > 2011/9/29 Strainu 
> >
> >> 2011/9/29 Béria Lima :
> >> > As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain:
> Yes,
> >> > I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese.
> >>
> >> Wikimedia Commons offers anonymous users the possibility to see the
> >> site in their  (guessed) language AFAIK. I'm sure it's not rocket
> >> science to port that to meta if necessary.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should log a bug on that?
> >>
> >> Strainu
> >>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

M. Williamson, 29/09/2011 22:45:
> ...and Nikerabbit removed it giving only the explanation: "not here, per
> Nikerabbit (would have already fixed the real issues if only somebody had
> told me)"
>
> It seems like he's saying that someone should've let him know about the
> autoselection issue, but he doesn't seem to agree that _even with_ auto
> language selection, the user should still be able to choose a different
> language manually on the mainpage.

Please stop it, there isn't any use in this (off topic) discussion and 
guessing/[mis]representing other people's intentions. Use the talk page 
or bugzilla.

Nemo

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