New Affiliation
Hi all, As you probably know, I left Nokia in the end of March. I now work for LiTL (www.litl.com), a startup company developing a consumer product that involves hardware, software, and online services. I'm the only Board member affiliated to this company so no issues here. Thanks, --lucasr ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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As for me, the reason not pushing for Canada is that a GNOME community in Canada is surprisingly non-existent. Sure, there's you, me, and desrt. But that's pretty much it. Not that it changes anything, but I'm in Ottawa... - Mike ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Amsterdam Frankfurt Paris Brussels Geneva Milan All major cities, major travel hubs in Europe, easy to get to, with many university options. Anyone in any of these places feel tempted? Except Brussels, these cities have a good chance to be considered by the KDE community. Checking aKademy's website, aKademy has been taken place in Ireland, Scotland, Czech Republic, Spain and Germany in the past. aKademy 2008 will be in Belgium. Not many people would like to repeat cities unless there is a very good reason. Major cities in Europe are easily accessible from North America, too. Some reasonably-priced direct flight options exist. (Of course, it would not be as cheap as flying ryanair...) Clare ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 23:33 -0400, Clare So wrote: [...] I agree with you, Behdad. There is no point in pushing for Canada. When we had a W3C advisory committee meeting in Montreal in November some 3 years ago it was one of the better attended meetings we'd ever had (we = W3C). There is usually no snow until December or January in southern Ontario and Quebec at least, I don't know about the other provinces as well. Canada is also easy to get to, and does not have the US Visa requirements. If there is not a strong KDE or Gnome community here, maybe we need to fix that by having a conference? Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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If there is not a strong KDE or Gnome community here, maybe we need to fix that by having a conference? That's exactly what I think! LGM-2 in Montreal seems to be another good example. -- Cheers, Valek ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Originally coming from a country that definitely fits that bill too, I don't appreciate being exclusive to people based on their government. I agree, in a theoretical sense, but that isn't the issue here. Moreover, where do you set the limit? What about China for example? China is the epitome of a country to avoid. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important. That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime* credibility it does not deserve. 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part of this the same as any other one. Those people have an oppressing regime, ignore them is not a really compelling idea to me. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 22:20 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important. That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime* credibility it does not deserve. Not sure who you mean when you say we. I don't agree with your last sentence, no. 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part of this the same as any other one. Those people have an oppressing regime, ignore them is not a really compelling idea to me. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Hi everyone! Sorry, to step into this discussion, but I would really like to point out that every part of the world may have a gnome conference, even an important or *the* GNOME conference. But why can we keep GUADEC the european conference? If you want to do a GUAD*C at any other place of the world, I am fully ok with that but let's keep one GNOME conference in europe as there is a huge community there. Nevertheless, we would need some host applications anyway, before we can discuss the place further. Thanks, Johannes signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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quote who=Johannes Schmid Sorry, to step into this discussion, but I would really like to point out that every part of the world may have a gnome conference, even an important or *the* GNOME conference. But why can we keep GUADEC the european conference? If you want to do a GUAD*C at any other place of the world, I am fully ok with that but let's keep one GNOME conference in europe as there is a huge community there. 100% agree. This is the principle that underlines my (apparently now noted) conservatism on this issue... and why GNOME.conf.au exists. :-) Nevertheless, we would need some host applications anyway, before we can discuss the place further. Ahoy! Get those applications in, mateys! - Jeff -- OSCON 2008: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills. - Napoleon Dynamite ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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El mié, 23-04-2008 a las 23:07 +0200, Johannes Schmid escribió: Hi everyone! Sorry, to step into this discussion, but I would really like to point out that every part of the world may have a gnome conference, even an important or *the* GNOME conference. But why can we keep GUADEC the european conference? If you want to do a GUAD*C at any other place of the world, I am fully ok with that but let's keep one GNOME conference in europe as there is a huge community there. hm... things I don't understand: - GUADEC must stay in Europe, but it's publicized as *The* GNOME Conference. - GUADEC location is decided by the GNOME Foundation Board. AFAIK, no other regional conference has such an involvement from the board. - etc. So, considering the importance of GUADEC for the project, I don't believe it's fair for the rest of the world to say that GUADEC should stay in Europe forever, even with all the practical advantages this has. What I would like to see is proposals to host GUADEC in other places of the world to be considered. There may be a bias to prefer European locations because it's more practical, that seems reasonable; but at some point someone could appear with an amazing proposal at a great non-european location that would make everyone say wow.. we have to do it there!. I currently don't like the fact that no one can even consider working in such a proposal. And let's face it, we'll have this discussion each year, again and again. Let GUADEC evolve :-) Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On 4/23/08, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important. That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime* credibility it does not deserve. Wouldn't you be just spreading some kind of FUD ? What do you know about the Moroccan (not moroccian) regime and history ? What did the Moroccan people did to you ? Did you ever think that you should stop trying to keep the freedom for yourself and start sharing it with those who may not have it ? Maybe should you rethink your We are the good guys, they are the ugly guys kind of mentality ? Respectfully, -- Ali 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part of this the same as any other one. Those people have an oppressing regime, ignore them is not a really compelling idea to me. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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This thread is getting quite off-topic now. Lets end this particular sub-topic here. I'm sure if there's a Moroccan bid for '10 or '11, the board of the time will consider it on fair grounds. That's all that matters. behdad On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 00:18 +0200, Ali Sabil wrote: On 4/23/08, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important. That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime* credibility it does not deserve. Wouldn't you be just spreading some kind of FUD ? What do you know about the Moroccan (not moroccian) regime and history ? What did the Moroccan people did to you ? Did you ever think that you should stop trying to keep the freedom for yourself and start sharing it with those who may not have it ? Maybe should you rethink your We are the good guys, they are the ugly guys kind of mentality ? Respectfully, -- Ali 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part of this the same as any other one. Those people have an oppressing regime, ignore them is not a really compelling idea to me. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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I might suggest that this is a completely unproductive discussion that should go off-list until someone actually has a solid proposal on the table from a politically/morally/ethically/whatever-ly questionable regime. We've all got better things to do than to rehash potentially important but utterly predictable and utterly unoriginal political discussions over and over again. There are many other places on the internet for that. Luis On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Ali Sabil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important. That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime* credibility it does not deserve. Wouldn't you be just spreading some kind of FUD ? What do you know about the Moroccan (not moroccian) regime and history ? What did the Moroccan people did to you ? Did you ever think that you should stop trying to keep the freedom for yourself and start sharing it with those who may not have it ? Maybe should you rethink your We are the good guys, they are the ugly guys kind of mentality ? Respectfully, -- Ali 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part of this the same as any other one. Those people have an oppressing regime, ignore them is not a really compelling idea to me. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 17:36 -0400, Claudio Saavedra wrote: What I would like to see is proposals to host GUADEC in other places of the world to be considered. There may be a bias to prefer European locations because it's more practical, that seems reasonable; but at some point someone could appear with an amazing proposal at a great non-european location that would make everyone say wow.. we have to do it there!. I currently don't like the fact that no one can even consider working in such a proposal. I agree with this. I guess I would like the official foundation policy on this to be: It's cheaper to hold it in Europe, but if you've got a great location and tons of funding, we're willing to have it anywhere. Limit the location based on the ability of the organizing committee to come up with a proposal for getting everyone there rather than where it has been before. Now, that should include other practical things like Visas I agree, but that wasn't as much fun to write in a slogan :) --Ted signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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quote who=Claudio Saavedra I currently don't like the fact that no one can even consider working in such a proposal. I think it's possible, but there's little incentive to right now, because it seems so unlikely that it would succeed. If there was a bid that might succeed, it would be a cheap location (in terms of travel and event budget) pushing on the boundaries of Europe. Some might suggest that Turkey fits that description. :-) - Jeff -- OSCON 2008: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ It is not enough for me to wear dark sunglasses and a wig. The wheelchair gives me away. People want to be photographed with me, but it can be a nuisance when I am in a hurry. - Stephen Hawking on celebrity ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
