Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

[Dave Neary]

Hi,

Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
 Other than Telsa and partially Ross, have any other ones expressed to
 you or publicly that they left GNOME at least partly because of the
 tone of discourse?

Yes. Or rather, because of the culture which has become GNOME's over the
past 5 years or so.

 And when did Jorge drifted away from GNOME?  Last I
 checked he was around just fine.  And Google blackhole had no part?

Jorge left, disgusted, around 2005, and came back via Ubuntu in 2007.
Jorge, is that a fair summary?

Dave.

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

[Dave Neary]

Hi,

Mukund Sivaraman wrote:
 Dave, you left the GIMP project because of issues with a contributor. 
 Do you really think that person would have been deterred from behaving
 so, if he/she had signed such a document?

He would not have signed any such document - he would have found the
idea ridiculous (and said so) that having access to gimp.org resources
meant having any responsibility at all to the good name  culture of the
GIMP development community.


Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

[Philip Van Hoof]

On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 22:48 +, Alan Cox wrote:
 1. People speak on their own behalf, not on behalf of GNOME.  Unless 
  they 
  ARE talking on behalf of GNOME (say, board, release team, etc),

Indeed

 On things like the planet that can be addressed by suitable tags and
 styling (as could inappropriate content - if there is a 'rant filter'
 option or similar)

I agree with this

 4. In any kind of discussion and/or medium, one should learn who's words 
  matter.  Is he the maintainer of the module?  Is he a developer?  Does he 
  generally offer useful insight?  Does he know what he's talking about?  Do 
  others take this person seriously?  When you learn to ignore the noise, 
  life 
  is beautiful again.
 
 With the kernel hat on this is why LWN and Jon Masters summaries are so
 important. They distill the relevant material from the bloodbath that is
 linux-kernel (and which btw does put off a lot of people and cause big
 issues with some cultural groups). Please btw don't use Linux kernel as a
 shining example of why rules are not needed. The kernel works despite not
 because of the list attitude. Also there may be no code of conduct but
 certain people have at times been taken aside at conferences and
 educated on how they are coming across.

This happens at our GNOME conferences too.

Not as group meetings, but individual contact. This has most impact and
no Code of Conduct or enforcement amendment can compete.

 - Learn to agree to disagree.
  
 - Criticize ideas, not people presenting them.

I would likely support such amendments to our code of conduct. We worked
hard to get the often ignored Assume people mean well bullet point in
our Code Of Conduct:

Although often ignored, it's also the most important one.

Learning to agree to disagree goes alongside assuming people mean well.

 And perhaps also - Remmeber that different cultures have different
 attitudes, styles and touchy subjects.

Yes, good point.

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