Re: How about creating addons.gnome.org
It's not really a question of morality, how would we prevent a user from installing both a GPL and a non-OSI plugin for Tomboy at the same time? As someone already pointed out, we don't aim to _stop_ users from installing whatever they wish. The question at hand is what we _suggest_ to users. We should not steer users towards nonfree programs. What counts is whether the addon is free or nonfree. (See the definition in http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.) The OSI has a different criterion, called "open source". It really is different; not all open source programs are free. In the GNU Project, we don't follow the OSI; we insist on free programs. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How about creating addons.gnome.org
Hi! > Forgive my ignorance, but isn't that perfectly allowed as long as the > user doesn't then distribute the combination? Yeah, that's perfectly OK as Tomboy as LGPL. And for me, Freedom also includes the freedom to use proprietary software if someone wants to. Anyway, a.g.o will obviously only host free software! Regards, Johannes signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How about creating addons.gnome.org
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Sandy Armstrong wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: >> It's not really a question of morality, how would we prevent a user >> from installing both a GPL and a non-OSI plugin for Tomboy at the same >> time? > Forgive my ignorance, but isn't that perfectly allowed as long as the > user doesn't then distribute the combination? GPL lets you do anything as long as you don't distribute, there can be no such assumption about a non-OSI license. -- Patryk Zawadzki ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How about creating addons.gnome.org
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: >> On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 06:38 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: >>> Tomboy is LGPL2. >> Right, so some developers may choose to license their apps >> or plugin frameworks liberally to allow proprietary plugins. >> We don't need a morality debate on the existence of those >> plugins on this list (please). But I think most would agree >> that our servers shouldn't host non-free software. > > It's not really a question of morality, how would we prevent a user > from installing both a GPL and a non-OSI plugin for Tomboy at the same > time? Forgive my ignorance, but isn't that perfectly allowed as long as the user doesn't then distribute the combination? In other news, I agree with Shaun that a hypothetical a.g.o should only host free software. Sandy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How about creating addons.gnome.org
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 06:38 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: >> Tomboy is LGPL2. > Right, so some developers may choose to license their apps > or plugin frameworks liberally to allow proprietary plugins. > We don't need a morality debate on the existence of those > plugins on this list (please). But I think most would agree > that our servers shouldn't host non-free software. It's not really a question of morality, how would we prevent a user from installing both a GPL and a non-OSI plugin for Tomboy at the same time? -- Patryk Zawadzki ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How about creating addons.gnome.org
El dv 13 de 08 de 2010 a les 10:12 -0400, en/na Shaun McCance va escriure: > On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 06:38 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Johannes Schmid wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > >>>As all the applications involved are GPL'd > > >> > > >> Which applications are involved? There are some desktop apps that are > > >> LGPL'd or even MIT'd, for which non-free addons could legally be > > >> developed. > > > > > > Could you give examples inside the GNOME Desktop release set (not > > > libraries)? > > > > Tomboy is LGPL2. > > Right, so some developers may choose to license their apps > or plugin frameworks liberally to allow proprietary plugins. > We don't need a morality debate on the existence of those > plugins on this list (please). But I think most would agree > that our servers shouldn't host non-free software. > > It's a simple one-liner: "GNOME only hosts free software on > addons.gnome.org." It's worth adding. +1! -- gil forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New GNOME Foundation Members
Welcome Alex, Djavan and Flamarion ! On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:59, Jonh Wendell wrote: > Em Sex, 2010-08-13 às 14:43 +0200, Tobias Mueller escreveu: >> Hello everybody! >> >> The GNOME Foundation Membership Committee is proud to present the new >> members: >> >> * Randal Barlow >> * Peter Hutterer >> * Florian Müllner >> * Garrett Michael LeSage >> * Djavan Fagundes >> * Alexandro Silva >> * Milan Bouchet-Valat >> * Flamarion Jorge >> * Friedel Wolff >> * Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias >> * Ritesh Khadgaray >> > > Wow, 3 Brazilians! Welcome Alex, Djavan and Flamarion! > > Also, welcome Florian (I know you from libgami fame), great to see you > working hard on gnome-shell. > > Cheers, > -- > Jonh Wendell > http://www.bani.com.br > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > -- === Rodrigo L. M. Flores Computer Science Msc. Student - IME - USP Computer Science Degree - IME - USP Homepage (en): http://www.rodrigoflores.org Blog (pt-BR): http://blog.rodrigoflores.org Linux User # : 351304 Jabber: i...@rodrigoflores.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How about creating addons.gnome.org
On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 06:38 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Johannes Schmid wrote: > > Hi! > > > >>>As all the applications involved are GPL'd > >> > >> Which applications are involved? There are some desktop apps that are > >> LGPL'd or even MIT'd, for which non-free addons could legally be > >> developed. > > > > Could you give examples inside the GNOME Desktop release set (not > > libraries)? > > Tomboy is LGPL2. Right, so some developers may choose to license their apps or plugin frameworks liberally to allow proprietary plugins. We don't need a morality debate on the existence of those plugins on this list (please). But I think most would agree that our servers shouldn't host non-free software. It's a simple one-liner: "GNOME only hosts free software on addons.gnome.org." It's worth adding. -- Shaun McCance http://syllogist.net/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How about creating addons.gnome.org
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Johannes Schmid wrote: > Hi! > >>>As all the applications involved are GPL'd >> >> Which applications are involved? There are some desktop apps that are >> LGPL'd or even MIT'd, for which non-free addons could legally be >> developed. > > Could you give examples inside the GNOME Desktop release set (not libraries)? Tomboy is LGPL2. Sandy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New GNOME Foundation Members
Em Sex, 2010-08-13 às 14:43 +0200, Tobias Mueller escreveu: > Hello everybody! > > The GNOME Foundation Membership Committee is proud to present the new > members: > >* Randal Barlow >* Peter Hutterer >* Florian Müllner >* Garrett Michael LeSage >* Djavan Fagundes >* Alexandro Silva >* MilanBouchet-Valat >* Flamarion Jorge >* Friedel Wolff >* Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias >* Ritesh Khadgaray > Wow, 3 Brazilians! Welcome Alex, Djavan and Flamarion! Also, welcome Florian (I know you from libgami fame), great to see you working hard on gnome-shell. Cheers, -- Jonh Wendell http://www.bani.com.br ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
New GNOME Foundation Members
Hello everybody! The GNOME Foundation Membership Committee is proud to present the new members: * Randal Barlow * Peter Hutterer * Florian Müllner * Garrett Michael LeSage * Djavan Fagundes * Alexandro Silva * Milan Bouchet-Valat * Flamarion Jorge * Friedel Wolff * Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias * Ritesh Khadgaray If your name is on the list above, you're welcome!!! Feel embraced being part of GNOME Foundation you're contributing more with GNOME! Also feel free to introduce yourself to the community :-) If you aren't on the list, and you are close of one of them, please say "Welcome to GNOME Foundation" and embrace them. At your service, Tobi for the GNOME Foundation Membership Committee signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
GNOME Policy on Copyright Assignment
Hi, Several months ago, the Release Team contacted the GNOME Foundation to know what should be done if a module proposed for inclusion in GNOME requires a copyright assignment. There was no policy for this at that time, so the Board discussed the topic with the Advisory Board and asked Bradley Kuhn and Michael Meeks to draft a policy. After some iterations and feedback from various people, the policy was approved by the board. You can find the whole policy at: http://live.gnome.org/CopyrightAssignment The very short summary is that the inclusion of a new module in GNOME that requires copyright assignment has to be explicitly approved on a case-by-case basis by both the Release Team and the GNOME Foundation Board. The decision will be made based on criteria explained in the policy as well as in this additional document: http://live.gnome.org/CopyrightAssignment/Guidelines Note that this does not cover external dependencies. This clarifies a situation where the Release Team was faced with a decision it was uncomfortable to take alone, since it implied non-technical aspects. We feel that this policy and the criteria that are considered for decisions by the Release Team and the Board reflect the position of the community. Many thanks to Bradley and Michael who worked hard to produce those two documents, and to adjust them based on feedback that was received! Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How about creating addons.gnome.org
Which applications are involved? There are some desktop apps that are LGPL'd or even [X11'd], for which non-free addons could legally be developed. In those cases, nonfree addons would be lawful, but they are still wrong. So we should make sure not to include them in any list. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
