Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 08:28, Ben Konrath b...@bagu.org wrote: Hi Dave, On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Based on the Orca (or even a more general a11y) roadmap, it may be possible to get some funding from companies or associations interested in seeing Orca get better (although a lot of the associations seem to be focussing more on NVDA because it works on Windows). Just thought I'd chime in here. I spent a bit of time searching for funding to work on Caribou after the ATRC / IDRC cut funding for my position. The feedback I received was a similar story; the potential funders seemed only interested in an applications that would serve their users who primarily use Windows. Obviously this will be an issue when searching for funding for GNOME a11y projects - especially new projects that don't have an established group of users like Caribou. What about those companies deploying linux desktops in masse in public organizations? From time to time appear in the news some big European city or government department that has migrated their desktops to Linux. Those vendors aren't asked to provide an accessible solution? Your suggestion seems like it might be a good way forward. I'm no longer involved with Caribou but the last I heard, the Consorcio Fernando de los Ríos (www.consorciofernandodelosrios.es) provided some funding for Caribou after I left the project. I was in contact with them briefly but they only seemed interested in funding companies from Spain so I didn't qualify. Cheers, Ben ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 08:28, Ben Konrath b...@bagu.org wrote: Hi Dave, On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Based on the Orca (or even a more general a11y) roadmap, it may be possible to get some funding from companies or associations interested in seeing Orca get better (although a lot of the associations seem to be focussing more on NVDA because it works on Windows). Just thought I'd chime in here. I spent a bit of time searching for funding to work on Caribou after the ATRC / IDRC cut funding for my position. The feedback I received was a similar story; the potential funders seemed only interested in an applications that would serve their users who primarily use Windows. Obviously this will be an issue when searching for funding for GNOME a11y projects - especially new projects that don't have an established group of users like Caribou. What about those companies deploying linux desktops in masse in public organizations? From time to time appear in the news some big European city or government department that has migrated their desktops to Linux. Those vendors aren't asked to provide an accessible solution? Regards, Tomeu Cheers, Ben ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
What about those companies deploying linux desktops in masse in public organizations? From time to time appear in the news some big European city or government department that has migrated their desktops to Linux. That's impossible. Linux is just a kernel -- it cannot run a desktop machine by itself. It does not even have a no user interface. So I think you must be referring to the GNU/Linux operating system. Many people call that Linux, but doing so is not fair to the GNU Project. So please don't do that. See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html for more explanation, and http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html for background. Making the users of GNU aware that they're using GNU is good for all GNU packages, including GNOME. -- Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 09:02 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 08:28, Ben Konrath b...@bagu.org wrote: Hi Dave, On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Based on the Orca (or even a more general a11y) roadmap, it may be possible to get some funding from companies or associations interested in seeing Orca get better (although a lot of the associations seem to be focussing more on NVDA because it works on Windows). Just thought I'd chime in here. I spent a bit of time searching for funding to work on Caribou after the ATRC / IDRC cut funding for my position. The feedback I received was a similar story; the potential funders seemed only interested in an applications that would serve their users who primarily use Windows. Obviously this will be an issue when searching for funding for GNOME a11y projects - especially new projects that don't have an established group of users like Caribou. What about those companies deploying linux desktops in masse in public organizations? From time to time appear in the news some big European city or government department that has migrated their desktops to Linux. Those vendors aren't asked to provide an accessible solution? Regards, Tomeu What about international disabilities associations like: - International Council for Education of People with Visual Impairment [1] - ONCE International I think we can use OLPC/Sugar/GNOME deployments in schools like a good argument for asking for this. Usually, national associations are very Windows-centric, but they can help to children in poor areas improving the GNOME a11y technologies and its translation to Sugar. I think Sugar people would agree with this (Maybe Tomeu or someone from Sugarlabs can help with this idea if we think is feasible) cheers, -- Juanjo Marin [1] http://www.icevi.org/ [2] http://www.once.es/new/Onceinternacional/0_pruebaonceint/index_html [3] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Accessibility Cheers, Ben ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 22:58 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: Aha, well, yes. For starters: * Speech recognition would be useful for at least some people with print learning disabilities as well as for certain people with physical disabilities. * Caribou, especially were its functionality further expanded, would be useful for people with physical disabilities. Could we begin there? And if so, who is we and how do we begin? :-) OK - Caribou is the gok replacement, right? I guess we is us - the GNOME Foundation. I'm sure the board will help, I'll help, I'm certain the a11y team will help... we'll figure this out. I guess begin begins with build a list of organisations we could contact for grants - organisations should include non-profits, foundations, universities, and government agencies. We could use a wiki page for that, or Etherpad, or Google Docs, perhaps SugarCRM? Open to discussion. Then, for each one, we try to get a good entry point. Then, we contact them, with a general informal first approach - do you know GNOME? We're pretty cool. We do cool a11y stuff. and if they have heard of us, and are maybe using us a little, we can then pitch the roadmap for grants. Is there already any page with a list organizations ? We can work it out in a dossier about what is GNOME and about a11y GNOME tecnologies. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
El jue, 16-12-2010 a las 09:02 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso escribió: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 08:28, Ben Konrath b...@bagu.org wrote: Hi Dave, On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Based on the Orca (or even a more general a11y) roadmap, it may be possible to get some funding from companies or associations interested in seeing Orca get better (although a lot of the associations seem to be focussing more on NVDA because it works on Windows). Just thought I'd chime in here. I spent a bit of time searching for funding to work on Caribou after the ATRC / IDRC cut funding for my position. The feedback I received was a similar story; the potential funders seemed only interested in an applications that would serve their users who primarily use Windows. Obviously this will be an issue when searching for funding for GNOME a11y projects - especially new projects that don't have an established group of users like Caribou. What about those companies deploying linux desktops in masse in public organizations? From time to time appear in the news some big European city or government department that has migrated their desktops to Linux. Those vendors aren't asked to provide an accessible solution? Of course, they are good candidates. We can add to the list too. Regional Government of Andalusia (my employer) has done that in the last year, though I think that with economical crisis they won't have a budget for supporting a11y projects like the year before. Anyway, ask for some help is free :) -- Juanjo Marin Regards, Tomeu Cheers, Ben ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Juan José Marín Martínez Tlf: 956009437 (Corp. 409437) Móvil: 671596200 (Corp. 696200) Fax: 956009445 (Corp. 409445) Informática. Consejería de Cultura. DP Cádiz. Junta de Andalucía Antes de imprimir este correo electrónico piense bien si es necesario hacerlo: El medioambiente es cosa de todos. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
