Re: PLANNED MAINTENANCE: Monday, Tuesday 16th - 17th Dec 2013: l10n.gnome.org, www.{gnome,guadec}.org

2013-12-16 Thread Andrea Veri
Hi,

the migration went just fine and we just had a very little downtime (maybe
less than 1-2 minutes while switching the IPs from the old machines to the
new ones), please let the Sysadmin Team [1] know if any breakage pops up in
the upcoming hours especially on l10n.gnome.org's side. (i.e missing
dependencies, wrong permissions etc.)

I would like to send a special thank you to LaMont Jones, the Canonical
Sysadmin that helped the GNOME Sysadmin Team finding and racking the new
machines in place, his passion and valuable work have made this possible. I
would also like to thank Canonical for kindly sponsoring some of the
servers that make hosting the GNOME Project possible.

Have an awesome day,

[1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Contact or #sysadmin on irc.gnome.org


2013/12/16 Andrea Veri 

> Hi,
>
> we're in the middle of recycling two very old machines and migrate all the
> services running there to the new machines kindly provided by Canonical.
>
> The following services will be affected:
>
> 1. ns-slave.gnome.org
> 2. www.gnome.org
> 3. www.guadec.org
> 4. l10n.gnome.org
>
> I unfortunately don't have a valid date / time for the outage as of now,
> I'll make sure to update the thread as usual, keep an eye at [1] for an
> updated overview of how the maintenance is moving forward during the
> upcoming 24-48 hours.
>
> Thanks for your patience,
>
> [1] https://status.gnome.org
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Andrea
>
> Debian Developer,
> Fedora / EPEL packager,
> GNOME Sysadmin,
> GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman
>
> Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av
>



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Re: Technical and legal aspects of pitivi's crowdfunding campaign.

2013-12-16 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 16 décembre 2013, à 16:38 +0100, Mathieu Duponchelle a écrit :
> >>One quick question:
> >>On our side, there are two options we could go for, with
> >>different charges and laws associated :
> 
> >>1) We can create a non-profit association.
> 
> >>2) We can create a regular Limited Liability Company (LLC),
> >>  SARL in French.
> >Have there been any thoughts about a third option: actually having the
> >Foundation hire the people?
> 
> >There are probably several downsides (in terms of costs; in terms of
> >legal paperwork, as I understand that this is about French people and
> >the Foundation is still kind of US-centric for that matter; in terms of
> >involvement from the Foundation; etc.). But on the other hand, it might
> >make sense to at least think whether it's a good idea for the Foundation
> >to employ developers.
> 
> I am not sure what you have in mind here, the solution we are proposing
> should be pretty straight forward in term of paperwork for the Gnome
> fundation.

I'm not saying your proposed options are bad. I'm suggesting to step
back a bit and consider if it makes sense for the Foundation to hire
developers (in this case, the pitivi maintainers) in general, and
consider a longer term investment, instead of contracting external
people.

Cheers,

Vincent

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Re: Technical and legal aspects of pitivi's crowdfunding campaign.

2013-12-16 Thread Mathieu Duponchelle
Hello,

>Hi,
>>Le vendredi 13 décembre 2013, à 19:37 +0100, Mathieu Duponchelle a écrit :
>>Hi everyone !

>>Following a discussion with Karen Sandler and other members of the
>>gnome engagement team in the #engagement channel on gimpnet,
>>it was decided that a mail to that list would be necessary, to
>>expose the legal and technical aspects of the crowdfunding campaign
>>we are about to start around the pitivi video editor.

>I might have missed some info about this campaign, but it's the first
>time I hear about it: it would be good if you could summarize the goals
>and so on :-) Anyhow, I wish you the best!

So, the Pitivi team, composed of its 3 current maintainer decided a while
back to try to launch a fundraising campaign with the ambitious goal of
bringing the pitivi video editor to a robust state, making sure all the
components of its stack are solid enough to support its ambition of
becoming a professional grade video editing software. The plan is to have 2
phases during the actual development time:

   - Work package 1: Stabilization to reach the long awaited *1.0 release*


   - Work package 2: Implement top-wanted features (backers should be a
   llowed to vote so we can determine what these are?)


You can find a quick overview of the plan at
http://gstreamer.bugsfree.org:8080/#plan and all the full detailed version
at http://gstreamer.bugsfree.org:8080/the-plan -- Keep in mind that this is
still Work in Progres, and if we would be glad to get some feeback from you.

The team behind this initiative is composed of:

   - Jean Francois Fortin Tam, designer, bug triager, manager and
   maintainer of Pitivi, he is in the Gnome community since 2005 and you
   probably already know him.


   - Mathieu Duponchelle, GSoCer in the Gnome project in 2011 and 2013, he
   has been working on pitivi since then, and thanks to his GSoC project
   (again under the gnome umbrella) in 2013, we finally managed to release
   a 0.91 beta release based on the new stack we have been building for
   2years+ (namely GES, GI, Gst1.0 etc...)


   - Thibault Saunier,  GSoCer under the gnome umbrella in 2009 and 2010 he
   has been the main developer of pitivi, and GES since 2011


You can find some more details about us at:
http://gstreamer.bugsfree.org:8080/#about-us

If you have more question about the project/who we are etc. we would be
happy to talk with you, we are always connected on #pitivi.

>>One quick question:
>>On our side, there are two options we could go for, with
>>different charges and laws associated :

>>1) We can create a non-profit association.

>>2) We can create a regular Limited Liability Company (LLC),
>>  SARL in French.
>Have there been any thoughts about a third option: actually having the
>Foundation hire the people?

>There are probably several downsides (in terms of costs; in terms of
>legal paperwork, as I understand that this is about French people and
>the Foundation is still kind of US-centric for that matter; in terms of
>involvement from the Foundation; etc.). But on the other hand, it might
>make sense to at least think whether it's a good idea for the Foundation
>to employ developers.

I am not sure what you have in mind here, the solution we are proposing
should be pretty straight forward in term of paperwork for the Gnome
fundation.

Best Regards,

Thibault Saunier.



On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Mathieu Duponchelle <
mduponchel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone !
>
> Following a discussion with Karen Sandler and other members of the
> gnome engagement team in the #engagement channel on gimpnet,
> it was decided that a mail to that list would be necessary, to
> expose the legal and technical aspects of the crowdfunding campaign
> we are about to start around the pitivi video editor.
>
> Presentations of the team, our plan etc are available on the website
> we are currently developing and creating content for, bear in mind
> that it's still work in progress at the time. I'll post a link to
> that website soon, Thibault Saunier is not at his home and can't
> can't make it available right now.
>
> We've been happy to learn the GNOME committee had voted unanimously
> to help us handle the funds we'll get through that campaign for multiple
> reasons :
>
> + First we are not very keen on using proprietary services such as
>   kickstarter and indiegogo, as they are not part of our ecosystem.
>
> + Second, pitivi has always been a very "gnome-centric" app at
>   the technology level, all of our main components are GLib based
>   and we intend to go on that way, so this partnership seemed like
>   a logical continuation to us.
>
> As for our pay, we intend to go for quite low standards for
> CS engineers, and require 2500 euros a month, working 7 hours
> 21 days a month, which translates to a 17 euros hourly rate.
> I don't have official average salaries for CS engineers to submit,
> but as an example I'm currently making 3000 euros a month at my position.
> Money isn't really the i

Re: Technical and legal aspects of pitivi's crowdfunding campaign.

2013-12-16 Thread meg ford
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Vincent Untz  wrote:

> Have there been any thoughts about a third option: actually having the
> Foundation hire the people?
>
> There are probably several downsides (in terms of costs; in terms of
> legal paperwork, as I understand that this is about French people and
> the Foundation is still kind of US-centric for that matter; in terms of
> involvement from the Foundation; etc.). But on the other hand, it might
> make sense to at least think whether it's a good idea for the Foundation
> to employ developers.
>

MediaGoblin uses this model -- they raised money through a Free Software
Foundation campaign and their developer is, I believe, legally an employee
of the FSF. So it may make sense to ask the FSF for information about how
they handle this, since it might give you some useful ideas.
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PLANNED MAINTENANCE: Monday, Tuesday 16th - 17th Dec 2013: l10n.gnome.org, www.{gnome,guadec}.org

2013-12-16 Thread Andrea Veri
Hi,

we're in the middle of recycling two very old machines and migrate all the
services running there to the new machines kindly provided by Canonical.

The following services will be affected:

1. ns-slave.gnome.org
2. www.gnome.org
3. www.guadec.org
4. l10n.gnome.org

I unfortunately don't have a valid date / time for the outage as of now,
I'll make sure to update the thread as usual, keep an eye at [1] for an
updated overview of how the maintenance is moving forward during the
upcoming 24-48 hours.

Thanks for your patience,

[1] https://status.gnome.org



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Cheers,

Andrea

Debian Developer,
Fedora / EPEL packager,
GNOME Sysadmin,
GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman

Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av
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