Re: New GNOME foundation member
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:21 AM, SAHIL SAREEN wrote: > Hello everyone > > I'm Sahil Sareen(#ssareen) and I've been enjoying contributing to > GNOME-games especially chess. Welcome! Feel free to say Hi, if I'm around! :) Looking forward to see all the great things you'll do here! Best, sri ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New GNOME foundation member
Hey Sahil, On 18 February 2015 at 20:51, SAHIL SAREEN wrote: > Hello everyone > > I'm Sahil Sareen(#ssareen) and I've been enjoying contributing to > GNOME-games especially chess. > > I finished my undergrad in Computer Science at NIT Durgapur, India in 2014 > and > work as a Software Engineer in Arista Networks at their Bangalore(India) RnD > office. > > I really love the way people collaborate and work together here! > In particular, I find the irc to be very helpful. Welcome aboard! We're just starting to be a bit more active on the GNOME India list, so feel free to join in on gnome-in-l...@gnome.org Cheers, Arun ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: foundation application..
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Magdalen Berns wrote: > As regards comments on Outreachy internships (which seem to have clearly > been cited a lot more in defence of this new practice, than GSoC); this is > an internship specifically developed to address an identified problem of > inclusiveness for under-represented minorities in FOSS and it is heavily > associated with GNOME so, it's worth emphasising that one of the barriers > which women are particularly likely to face in general, is that they are > more likely to be told that their work has less value than someone else's, > when that is not actually the case. A number of members here have > indicated that interns are actually making non-trivial contributions, so on > that basis would you not agree with the principle that applying a less > favourable membership illegibility criteria for these interns in particular > than for everybody else, sends out a somewhat contradictory message to the > community about GNOME's commitment to equality? Moreover, if it is actually > the case that this idea was a response to the applications from Outreachy > (formally OPW) internships (as the comments on this thread are beginning to > suggest), then we really do have problem. Regarding this, I think it's fair to mention that there are very few women who have full-time employment working on GNOME. This is an area where (imo) we have not made significant headway as a group. OPW was established as a paid opportunity partly because women face financial barriers when contributing to FOSS. So you should be aware that you are asking people who have a significantly lower chance of being hired to work on GNOME professionally to work for free for an extra period of time, with none of the benefits associated with foundation membership. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Privacy campaign funds
> > >> > A while back we ran a $20K privacy campaign. A while later there was a > >> > discussion about what to do with the funds. Did we ever decide what to > >> > do with these? > >> Nope. > >> I proposed to fund interns to work on security and privacy related > >> projects > >> but the idea was rejected. > > > > This seems like a nice idea. Why was it rejected? > > It was not rejected, it was accepted. The vote to use some of the > money for an OPW intern passed on the 11th November 2014. At the end, > it didn't matter because Marina was able to find an external sponsor > for that intern. > I don't want to speak for Tobias but I think it is fair to assume in this case that he was suggesting that "accepting" his idea would have involved agreeing to spend at least some the money on interns - which seems like a nice idea! What are the other ideas on how to spend this money? Magdalen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: foundation application..
> > >> One of the main requirements of gaining > >> Foundation Membership is being active within the community for a > >> little while *after* the internship has ended to demonstrate the fact > >> there's a real interest staying around and contributing to the > >> Project. > > > > > > This is a practice which completely contradicts the bylaws definition a > > contributor who is eligible for membership. > > > > * All contributors have made a significant contribution (BYLAW) > > > > * All contributors are eligible for membership (BYLAW) > > > > * Some interns have made a significant contribution over their > internship > > > > * No interns are eligible for membership > > > > This does not make sense. > > As Germán correctly pointed out the Bylaws were written before any > internship program ever started within the GNOME Project. And as I correctly pointed out ;-), this does not make any difference. The bylaws were last amended in 2012. Requesting an amendment to the bylaws takes 21 days to process once the BoD (or the person requesting it) have published the request on the foundation list so that the responses can be tallied. While the Bylaws define what the main requirements for gaining Foundation > Membership are they also mention "Membership will be determined on a > case-by-case basis, at the sole discretion of the Board and > Membership Committee" (Article VI, section 6.1). So what we have here > is a set of requirements the Bylaws strictly require the applicant to > possess for the membership to be actually granted while leaving the > Membership Committee the required discretion to process a certain > application. This leaves me out with one main question: how far can > the Committee go when reviewing a certain application? can the > Committee introduce additional "requirements" (during one of its > meetings and with a regular vote) for a membership to be accepted in > absence of particular references on the Bylaws themselves (like in the > case of interns or GSoC students for example)? > > It's clear the Bylaws probably need an update on this side and ideally > part of the "what to do in case the Bylaws do not mention how peculiar > cases (such as interns) should be handled" should be delegated to the > Committee that should come up with a set of policy and guidelines > widely accepted by the membership. I'll make sure the following item > will be discussed on the next or future Board meetings. > > >> The rationale behind this decision is mainly related to the > >> fact a good number of interns stopped contributing right after their > >> internship ended and it was clear to us their intent wasn't sticking > >> around the community nor they probably were passionate about our > >> project to justify staying around some more. We found extending the > >> contributions period (usually one or two months) for interns the best > >> solution to build a membership base made of people who really love and > >> care deeply about the project and the values it promotes. > > > > > > The bylaws do not say anything about a contribution period (and I had not > > heard of it before myself either, to be honest). However, they do > explicitly > > state that individuals who should get credit for their contributions (not > > the corporations who pay them), the same as ordinary volunteers might. > > Either sponsored contributions are as valuable as ones that aren't > > sponsored, or they aren't: The bylaws say that they are... If there is an > > exception being made in the case of some interns then that seems quite > > significant. > > > > The bylaws do not say anything about what might motivate contributors to > > contribute, nor their level of commitment to GNOME, when it defines a > > "contributor" in terms of foundation membership but it does fairly > clearly > > describe about what a "contributor" is. The main thing that is unclear in > > the bylaws is what defines a "non-trivial contribution" really and this > > becomes even more confusing because the practice is to state that all > > interns who make contribution from 40 hour weeks over a period of 3 > months > > are not eligible until they contribute more stuff. > > Stating the fact interns contributions aren't enough for them to join > the GNOME Foundation is out of discussion here. It's clear their > contributions are non-trivial enough for the Membership Committee to > grant the membership right after checking all the references listed on > the application. When an internship comes to an end I can think of two > possible natural consequences: one being the person applying for > membership and the other being the intern leaving the project and > moving to something else. The rationale behind choosing any of the > above consequences is strictly subjective to the individual. There > might be interns who never heard of what a FOSS project aimed to and > what it was about before joining OPW and at the end of the journey the > values of freedom we pursue were shar
New GNOME foundation member
Hello everyone I'm Sahil Sareen(#ssareen) and I've been enjoying contributing to GNOME-games especially chess. I finished my undergrad in Computer Science at NIT Durgapur, India in 2014 andwork as a Software Engineer in Arista Networks at their Bangalore(India) RnD office. I really love the way people collaborate and work together here!In particular, I find the irc to be very helpful. Thanks for the membership! Sahil ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Privacy campaign funds
On 17/02/2015, Magdalen Berns wrote: >> >> >> > A while back we ran a $20K privacy campaign. A while later there was a >> > discussion about what to do with the funds. Did we ever decide what to >> > do with these? >> Nope. >> I proposed to fund interns to work on security and privacy related >> projects >> but the idea was rejected. > > This seems like a nice idea. Why was it rejected? It was not rejected, it was accepted. The vote to use some of the money for an OPW intern passed on the 11th November 2014. At the end, it didn't matter because Marina was able to find an external sponsor for that intern. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
