Re: Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates
You're right John, and some others have pointed out, that we should act by offer blogs, news and any other difussion we have access too, to promote GNOME, GTK+ apps and all its goodness; this is the right way. I love, to see more actions from GNOME Foundation to support, by contracting people making real interview to GNOME projects maintainers, point out and highlight how their work will help GNOME to be better Desktop for every one. 2016-05-25 17:22 GMT-05:00 John McHugh: > I was involved somewhat with the discussions Daniel keeps referring to. > The talk of lack of GNOME applications referred to applications targeting > the gnome HIG. Nothing to do with being open or not. > > Part of wanting to create something like this week in GNOME is to help > draw attention to efforts made by third parties to create applications > which target GNOME platform(including HIG), rather than a component of > GNOME. > > This week in rust as an example has crate of the week along with > information on new and updated crates published online. Hopefully something > similar might be achievable with Flatpaks and this week in GNOME. > > The "GTK being c and ugly" and other comments mentioned here I have no > idea about. I had mentioned that the bindings for other languages haven't > really been in healthy shape for the 3.x release but that could be in my > head. > > Like I said previously, I don't think its constructive to label those who > offer criticism as attackers. Or to attempt to try and silence them through > trademark law. > > > On Wed, 25 May 2016 at 22:18 Richard Stallman wrote: > >> > * No apps for GNOME/GTK+ >> >> If that means that we don't offer a place to download nonfree >> applications, that's not a flaw, that's a moral superiority! >> It's part of respecting users' freedom. >> >> Every GNU/Linux distro offers a system for installing packages. And, >> of course, you can install programs from elsewhere or build them from >> source. This way is the ethical way, because it gives users control >> over what versions they run. >> >> So let's turn those attacks around! Let's remind people that the >> distros' package systems are right way to distribute applications and >> GNOME works with those package systems. >> >> -- >> Dr Richard Stallman >> President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) >> Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) >> Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. >> >> ___ >> foundation-list mailing list >> foundation-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list >> > -- Trabajar, la mejor arma para tu superación "de grano en grano, se hace la arena" (R) (en trámite, pero para los cuates: LIBRE) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates
I was involved somewhat with the discussions Daniel keeps referring to. The talk of lack of GNOME applications referred to applications targeting the gnome HIG. Nothing to do with being open or not. Part of wanting to create something like this week in GNOME is to help draw attention to efforts made by third parties to create applications which target GNOME platform(including HIG), rather than a component of GNOME. This week in rust as an example has crate of the week along with information on new and updated crates published online. Hopefully something similar might be achievable with Flatpaks and this week in GNOME. The "GTK being c and ugly" and other comments mentioned here I have no idea about. I had mentioned that the bindings for other languages haven't really been in healthy shape for the 3.x release but that could be in my head. Like I said previously, I don't think its constructive to label those who offer criticism as attackers. Or to attempt to try and silence them through trademark law. On Wed, 25 May 2016 at 22:18 Richard Stallmanwrote: > > * No apps for GNOME/GTK+ > > If that means that we don't offer a place to download nonfree > applications, that's not a flaw, that's a moral superiority! > It's part of respecting users' freedom. > > Every GNU/Linux distro offers a system for installing packages. And, > of course, you can install programs from elsewhere or build them from > source. This way is the ethical way, because it gives users control > over what versions they run. > > So let's turn those attacks around! Let's remind people that the > distros' package systems are right way to distribute applications and > GNOME works with those package systems. > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) > Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates
> > * No apps for GNOME/GTK+ > > If that means that we don't offer a place to download nonfree > applications, that's not a flaw, that's a moral superiority! > It's part of respecting users' freedom. I think "App" in this context means what flatpack (and all its spiritual predecessors) is currently trying to address: No need to wrangle with installing packages, no ending up in dependency hell, grab latest version of something and just run it. > So let's turn those attacks around! Let's remind people that the > distros' package systems are right way to distribute applications and > GNOME works with those package systems. Except the normal user gives shit about packaging systems. And why things not work if he grabs some piece of software from some random place. Things should just work. There should not be "I cannot run Frobnicator 2k because my system has libfurb packaged in version 0.8, but Frobnicator needs 0.9 so I also need to get that from somewhere" ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates
> * No apps for GNOME/GTK+ If that means that we don't offer a place to download nonfree applications, that's not a flaw, that's a moral superiority! It's part of respecting users' freedom. Every GNU/Linux distro offers a system for installing packages. And, of course, you can install programs from elsewhere or build them from source. This way is the ethical way, because it gives users control over what versions they run. So let's turn those attacks around! Let's remind people that the distros' package systems are right way to distribute applications and GNOME works with those package systems. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list