Re: Boston Summit 2013?
On 04/30/2013 07:21 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 19:03 +0200, Piñeiro wrote: [...] What is the point of that long previous paragraph? Sincerely, for me, taking into account that we are talking about a small event, just starting to move to a different city for the sake of moving is an overkill. AFAIU, the idea of doing it in different city is because of last incident in Boston. It is not for the sake of moving it. FWIW, you are the first one mentioning that reason on the thread. And as Benjamin opened the can of Europe is far far away from Portland, this is even worse for people living in small cities. In my case I assisted the Boston summit twice (2009, 2012). And it was a Coruña-Madrid-Boston. In the hypothetical case of repeating this year, that extra hop would mean Coruña-Madrid-Amsterdam-Portland or Coruña-Madrid-Seattle-Boston. But I'm under no illusion that for some that this might be harder to get to. I'm still working the venue and hopefully I'll have something by next week. Although working for the venue is appreciated, imho, is irrelevant. It is relevant. Without venue or people organizing the event there is no event. Yeah sorry, I didn't chose the proper word *. And probably it is complex to use just one word. Rewording my phrase: Although working for the venue is appreciated, I really think that it would be better to use that effort (so time) in a different place, because, in my humble opinion, Portland is not a good option. And again, sorry if I sounded rude in my previous mail. Best regards * In the same way that I were constantly falling on a false friend, using 'assist' instead of 'attend'. -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Could a few influential GNOME developers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?
Just an additional comment On 01/17/2012 12:40 AM, Ciarán O'Riordan wrote: Bastien Nocera wrote: Could you go into a bit more details as to how those discussions might pertain to GNOME? It's a list for general discussion among programmers of GNU packages. Past discussions included choice of accessibility technology, autoconf, plug-in interface standards preventing non-free plugins, can someone help with XYZ?, pkg-config, making the GNU system more coherent for developers, how to use OpenJDK Classpath... Sorry, but I still don't understand properly the purpose of this list. The reason of that comment is this mention of accessibility technology discussion. I'm subscribed to gnu-accessibility list and I didn't see any mail about that discussion. So, I assume that although it was a mail to discuss things about accessibility, on GNU mailing list, for some reason, gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org was more suitable that gnu-accessibility. What was that reason? BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Announcing ATK/AT-SPI Hackfest 2012
This will come as no surprise to many of you at this point, as we already talked about it during the weekly accessibility meetings, but I would like to officially announce that we are having an ATK/AT-SPI2 Hackfest in January. Funnily enough one of the things to debate is if we should kill or not ATK. For the new people, ATK is the accessibility toolkit. Right now the main and more extensive implementation is done on GTK+ (a isolated module called GAIL on the past), although it is also used in Clutter (Cally), Java (via the Java Access Wrapper), Unity and others. AT-SPI is the accessibility service provider interface. Accessibility tools uses AT-SPI in order to interact with the applications. ATK works as the common language that target applications uses to expose themselves to AT-SPI. This is a follow-up of the ATK/AT-SPI hackfest that we organized on May (2011). We gathered a lot of information on that hackfest, and more information since then. We also worked on some aspects of that conclusion. In the same way some new actors appeared asking new questions. At may the main questions about the accessibility framework was how to improve ATK, AT-SPI, the ATK/AT-SPI relationship, and clarify and simplify the life of any ATK implementation. Now there are new questions related if the current pair and framework is the more suitable for our needs. And if the answer is no, how to solve the situation without totally break current user experience? Who Should Attend? * Developers of applications and toolkits which implement ATK * Developers of ATK and AT-SPI * Developers of Assistive Technologies which rely upon AT-SPI * Developers of testing solutions which rely upon AT-SPI * Developers of Technologies used by the current framework, like DBUS Location: Igalia (A Coruña, Galicia, Spain) Dates: 18-22 January, 2012 For more information, including the proposed task, pre-event homework, venue, and associated costs, please see: * Live GNOME Hackfest 2012 page : https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Hackfests/ATK2012 For the moment the event is sponsored by Igalia (Venue) and the GNOME Foundation (travel+hotel costs as far as we keep budget wise). Thank you very much to all the sponsors. If any other company want to fund this hackfest somehow, please contact me or Joanmarie Digss (and thanks in advance). Best regards === Piñeiro ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Desktop Summit Planning
On 12/14/2011 04:42 AM, Brian Cameron wrote: 1. To not have a large combined GNOME+KDE event, and to instead have a smaller Desktop Summit or focused hackfest(s) with a more clear agenda to work on specific and measurable collaborative tasks. GUADEC and Akademy would continue as separate events. FWIW, in Spain we already organized this smaller Desktop Summit, called Guademy. It was organized on 2007 [7] and 2008 [8] (and in theory they were successful). As on 2009 Desktop Summit was a combined event, it was not organized again. So this option is more or less bring it back Guademy, although with a more wider (non-local-Spanish) approach. 2. To arrange the Desktop Summit so that it is more of a co-located event. The GNOME and KDE events are separate but overlap on certain days. For example, GUADEC could happen first and continue for several days, then a few combined days of Desktop Summit followed by several days of Akademy. This setup would likely be more complicated for bidding, since it would likely require a more dynamic space to accommodate the shifting needs. This solution probably would mean that the combined event will be longer. In my personal opinion, GUADEC is already a really long event. And not all people can be on all the days of that such long event. This means that some days, mostly the last ones, GUADEC became a empty event. It is sad to see how many people attend to some talks during those days. BR [1] https://www.desktopsummit.org/ [2] https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC20111026 [3] https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC2023 [4] https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20110809 https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20110823 https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20111018 [5] https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/2001 [6] https://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/ [7] http://2007.guademy.org/ [8] http://www.guademy.org/ -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Additional Hackfests - Brno
On 11/30/2011 08:26 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: Let the board know even if you would like to plan a Hackfest at some other location or timeframe. There are currently no hackfests planned after February, so it would be good to start planning for more. I understand the Marketing and a11y teams have been talking about having a Hackfest. Have others? Sorry, I should have answered this mail before. I thought that it was just in order to ask accomodation for a hackfest at Brno, but re-reading your mail you were also asking about other hackfests. After debating and discarding other options (like co-hosting with webkitgtk hackfest, and also this Brno option), the current plan for the a11y hackfest is organizing it at Coruña, tentative (but almost written in stone) dates are 18-22 of January. Thanks for your interest. Best regards -- Piñeiro ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Foundation budget (Oct 2010-May 2011)
On 07/04/2011 05:32 AM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: Foundation members, I have uploaded an updated budget for the current fiscal year. It includes the our income and expenses from October 2010 to May 2011 and the expectations from June to September. You will the information available at: http://foundation.gnome.org/finance/gnome-foundation-budget-2011-may.ods I noticed that at the real tab, on expenses, it is not listed anything related to a11y hackfests. But we organized a atk hackfest on May, and although we reduced the costs as much as possible (food were payed by local LUGS, etc), some people asked to the travel committee in order to assist there. Were those costs assigned to a different month? [1] http://blogs.igalia.com/apinheiro/2011/05/09/atkat-spi2-hackfest-2011-day-1/ BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias (API) (apinhe...@igalia.com) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Announcing ATK/AT-SPI Hackfest
This will come as no surprise to many of you at this point, as we already talked about it during the weekly accessibility meetings, but I would like to officially announce that we are having an ATK Hackfest in May. For the new people, ATK is the accessibility toolkit. Right now the main and more extensive implementation is GAIL (GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library), although it is also used in Clutter (Cally), Java (via the Java Access Wrapper), and others. AT-SPI is the accessibility service provider interface. Accessibility tools uses AT-SPI in order to interact with the applications. ATK works as the common language that target applications uses to expose themselves to AT-SPI, so a deep change on ATK would require an update also in AT-SPI. In the same way, we would like to get a one-to-one relation between the interfaces on ATK and AT-SPI as much as possible. Applications and toolkits do not all implement ATK consistently. This has a negative impact on the assistive technologies ability to provide a consistent cross-application user experience. Even in applications and toolkits in which the ATK implementation is complete, the information obtained from a single event and/or object is not always sufficient for an AT client to proceed immediately; instead it is often necessary to perform further queries and make decisions based on heuristics rather than concrete data. This has a negative impact on both performance and reliability. Accessibility team has come to the conclusion that this is time to improve on ATK no matters if that means an API break. The primary goal is to take what we have learned from years of ATK/AT-SPI and make things better for all involved, and create the basis of what ATK 2.0 should be. Location: Igalia (A Coruña, Galicia, Spain) Dates: 9-15 May Who Should Attend? * Developers of applications and toolkits which implement ATK * Developers of ATK and AT-SPI * Developers of Assistive Technologies which rely upon AT-SPI * Developers of testing solutions which rely upon AT-SPI For more information, including the proposed task, pre-event homework, venue, and associated costs, please see: * Live GNOME ATK Hackfest page : http://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/ATK2011; * Metabug Towards ATK 2.0 : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638537; * Feel free to open more bugs on comment on the current ones For the moment the event is sponsored by Igalia (Venue, part of the food) and the GNOME Foundation (travel+hotel costs as far as the current a11y budget allows it). If any other company want to fund this hackfest somehow, please contact me or Joanmarie Digss (and thanks in advance) Best regards === API (apinhe...@igalia.com) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
From: Cesar Mauri Loba ce...@crea-si.com Based on the Orca (or even a more general a11y) roadmap, it may be possible to get some funding from companies or associations interested in seeing Orca get better (although a lot of the associations seem to be focussing more on NVDA because it works on Windows). Just thought I'd chime in here. I spent a bit of time searching for funding to work on Caribou after the ATRC / IDRC cut funding for my position. The feedback I received was a similar story; the potential funders seemed only interested in an applications that would serve their users who primarily use Windows. Obviously this will be an issue when searching for funding for GNOME a11y projects - especially new projects that don't have an established group of users like Caribou. And what about turning Orca into cross-platform? I would attract funding from different sources. When you mean turn Orca cross-platform I guess that you are thinking in a cross GNU/Linux-Windows platform, instead of the currrent plan to turn (in the future) Orca cross-desktop KDE-GNOME. So now the problems. Take into account that turn Orca cross-platform is not just be able to compile Orca on Windows. There are more pieces that it would be required to turn: * at-spi: Orca is a screen reader that gets all the information from at-spi. So at-spi should also be migrated. * new bridge: right now, the communication path between the apps and at-spi is the ATK bridge or the QT bridge. Windows apps doesn't use ATK, AFAIK, it uses IAccessible2. So a new bridge should be required. So, turn cross-platform Orca means turns two modules, and create a new one. This is a really big amount of work to do. And we enter in a vicious circle. You proposed that turn in order to get funds. But we would require a really big amount of funds to get that. BR === API (apinhe...@igalia.com) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell
From: Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com It's details like this that make the project look more like OpenOffice than a GNOME app (here's the resulting code versus here are the plans and the rationale, please discuss). what's fundamental is that not everything should be open to discussion. sure, if you disagree on the choice of colors in the CSS theme then you can discuss it with the UI design team - as long as you avoid bike-shedding them to death because that's not nice and all; but if you want to discuss the language of choice then you misunderstood how an open source project works. the gnome-shell developers decided, and you either follow them or you can start writing your own shell in your own language. Probably offtopic, sorry, but ... After read this paragraph, and reading again GS roadmap [1], I realized that theming are not included in the issues listed on the accessibility section of this roadmap. Anyway, Willie Walker identified this as one of the big issues of GS towards GNOME 3.0. [2]. There is any possibility to include theming in the accessibility issue list ? As Emmanuele Bassi said, right now there are people with a deep knowledge on design and usability working on GS, at it would be awesome if they could be involved here (and it seems that they are interested [3]). BR [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/RoadmapTwoThirtyOne [2] http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3#Theming [3] http://blogs.gnome.org/wwalker/2010/03/02/gnome-usability-hackfest/ === API (apinhe...@igalia.com) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Inviting GNOME to participate at an accessibility event
From: Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org It would be great to have GNOME a11y work well represented at this conference. Joanmarie Diggs pointed me this talk before the deadline (when she told me it was 15th May, now it was extended to 28th May). I have submitted a talk about Cally/GNOME-Shell, similar to the one I will have on GUADEC, but more user oriented (although Peter Korn have suggested that the title require further tuning). BR === API (apinhe...@igalia.com) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
