Re: Question for Bastian Nocera
On Thu, 2010-06-17 at 04:01 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > That's not the argument we are making. We say GNU/Linux because GNU wants > the credit for the part it delivers other than the kernel. That's why we > say GNU/Linux. > > That's an understatement. The reason people should call this system > "GNU/Linux" is that its core is the GNU system, with Linux added. > > If we apply that attitude to GNOME we can do the same thing. > > The argument doesn't apply the same for GNOME, since GNOME isn't an > operating system -- rather, it is a subsystem. You can apply that same logic and say that GNU isn't an operating system, just a glue layer between the kernel and the user interface. Seriously, this argument is leading nowhere. If you honestly intend in continuing to pursue it, please take it off of foundation-list. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question for Bastian Nocera
On vr, 2010-06-04 at 15:19 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 20:36 +0200, Javier Jardón wrote: > > Hello, > > > > in your application you say: > > > > > - (Re-)defining GNOME: > > > The Foundation charter defines GNOME as a loose collection of > > > independent project, though we need to stop considering it as such if > > > GNOME is to take an important role in the future of computing, be it on > > > the desktop, or in devices, where it would provide the infrastructure. > > > > Could you elaborate a bit more about this? > > Look at the upper and lower bounds on this diagram for GNOME Mobile: > http://www.gnome.org/mobile/gmae-arch-diag.png > > Where does GNOME start and stop? > > Do we go from the kernel up? From the user-space bits up? Is something > still GNOME when it doesn't use GTK+? When it doesn't use Matchbox (as > per the diagram), or metacity/mutter? > > I would think it being fine to say, GNOME is: > - Linux kernel > - D-Bus > - NetworkManager/BlueZ/PolicyKit/udisks/upower > - X11 > all the way to GTK+/Clutter combination and apps > > And this is what we need to focus on. There's a lot of swamp-draining to > be done in the lower levels, and working on GNOME means working on one > of those things in the stack. > > In the same way, I think it doesn't shut out other OSes, be they other > free Unices, or even Mac OS X and Windows, where the stack is just > shifted (pretty much everything underneath what we currently consider > the GNOME stack). > > Defining the GNOME OS is required if we want to avoid getting cornered > working on the bits at the top of the stack, and working around > problems, rather than solving the solutions "The Right Way" all the way > down our stack. > > Obviously, this would require discussions... Is this related to (I think it was Mark Shuttleworths) idea of defining a reference platform with synchronized versions of the core components (which we could then target)? I can imagine this to be massively useful for ISVs. -- Ruben Vermeersch (rubenv) http://www.savanne.be/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Starting the process for this year's Boston Summit
On wo, 2010-05-19 at 10:25 -0400, John Palmieri wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm going to be starting the process for setting up the Boston Summit. > That basically means getting the space at MIT and then a budget from > the board. Last year we saw an issue with the timing of other GNOME > related conferences. This year we have a choice of two dates, > Columbus day weekend, October 9th-11th or piggyback the weekend after > the Linux Plumbers conference, November 6th-8th. > > I'm leaning towards keeping Columbus day weekend because it is easier > to get rooms, and it reduces confusion by having it at the same time > every year. Silently hoping for this option as well, as November is IWT project defense time for PhD students in Belgium, which would make it a Summit-no-go for me and I'd really love to attend. So please put a vote down on October for me, atleast if my vote holds any value :-) Thanks for the effort J5! Ruben -- Ruben Vermeersch (rubenv) http://www.savanne.be/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: proposed speaker guidelines
On za, 2010-03-27 at 18:49 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > The proposed speaker guidelines have a serious problem. Since they > prohibit anything that makes someone uncomfortable, regardless of why, > and since criticism of one's actions tends to make many people > uncomfortable, the consequence is to prohibit serious criticism of any > practice that is followed by someone in the audience. > > For instance, when I asserted that use of C# was risky, someone in the > audience objected, claiming that this was unfair to the C# language. > Apparently that person felt uncomfortable with what I said about C#. > It seems that these proposed guidelines would prohibit any statement > that GNOME needs to avoid a certain practice lest it cause a serious > problem. I don't think anyone has any objections against honest criticism against the possible legal aspects of technologies. This is a very important topic. What made C# users uncomfortable was not this criticism about patents, it was the way it was presented as an almost personal attack towards mono developers. My feeling from the talk was that it was more aimed at making us feel bad about using C# than presenting some constructive plan on rectifying the situation (e.g. by working with Microsoft on the issue instead of calling them the "avoid enemy" and the situation hopeless). While the critic was correct, the way it was ushered led to alienation of the people that are the most involved in the issue, rather than encouraging them to work on a constructive solution. There's a difference between making people uncomfortable because they might be in danger (and offering help) and making people uncomfortable through reprimands (and basically calling them collaborators with the enemy). In that sense, I agree with the guidelines. When you're speaking as a representative of GNOME, you're fine to bring up any "uncomfortable" topic, just keep in mind the viewpoints of the people in the audience and keep it constructive. Ruben PS: If you're the person that loves holding flamewars about this topic, please don't reply. -- Ruben Vermeersch (rubenv) http://www.savanne.be/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Google Summer of Code 2010 Call for Ideas
Hiya GNOME lovers! It's that time of the year again: Google's Summer of Code is approaching. We are in the midst of preparing it all [1] but we need your help by submitting great project ideas. Student proposals will start to roll in on March 29, but we'd like to make sure there are plenty of projects from them to choose from and have mentors ready to volunteer their time. So what should you do? Please visit [2] and enter your project ideas under the "New Untriaged Ideas" section. A committee will be formed up later to triage the ideas prior to the opening of the proposal period. If you would like to volunteer your time to mentor but don't have a project idea, surf over and claim one. Mentoring is an awesome way to get more involved with the community and introduce someone to it. If you would like to throw your hat in the ring for the triaging or selection committees and other GSoC related tasks, pop on over to #soc-admin, join the soc-mentors-list and let one of the administrators for the program know you want to be involved in making GNOME rock. This year's administrators are Ruben Vermeersch, Christophe Fergeau and Daniel Siegel (and Sandy Armstrong, for as long as his time doesn't get stolen by the upcoming kid :-)) Cheers, The GNOME Google Summer of Code Administrators [1] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010 [2] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010/Ideas -- Ruben Vermeersch (rubenv) http://www.savanne.be/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 09:27 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > but it will never capture a significant market, which in the > end just means that you'll slowly become irrelevant. > > Is your standard of relevance based solely on "market" success? > > Only a few percent of computer users run the GNU/Linux system, and > even fewer run BSD. Some people would say this is not "a significant > market". But these systems are the only ways to use a computer and > have freedom, and that makes them very relevant for a different set of > values. I value the potential market we can cater as highly important, as this directly determines the size of the economical ecosystem we can build around F/OSS. While most of us are not in this to become rich, we all have to eat and feed the bills. If we want our project to have significant traction, we'll need to create a system that's self-sustaining. Furthermore, and I'll think we'll have to agree to disagree here, I don't think the moral/ethical victory of running a F/OSS solution in itself will convince more than a fraction of the market. This is very parallel to the environmentalist movement: yes they capture the minds of a fraction of the population based on ethics, but no, they did not cause the increased attention for the environment. The fact that we will lose out in comfort combined with the fact that greener solutions are getting economically preferable have caused this attention, with a better environment as a pleasant byproduct. The same applies to GNOME/KDE/...: I agree with you that we have won and are the freest thing out there, we have captured the minds of the ethical. But if we want to make the world a truly better, more free, place, we need to focus on winning the market and have freedom as the pleasant byproduct. Because, like being green, a large fraction of the population just doesn't care about software ethics, regardless of how much you educate them (I have a lot of friends that fully agree with the F/OSS philosophy, yet stil buy a Mac out of comfort). It is only when you can make your option the best all across the board that you can capture this segment, which is needed for a critical mass. If we truly want to make our world better, we need to aim for critical mass, such that we can actually have a dominant influence. Without that, we're just pleasing the ethics knights, but we'll be leaving the ignorant/uncaring in the cold. Keep in mind that not everyone wants to be an activist, but everyone does want a better life. The question is: do you want to save the climate or do you want everyone to think green? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 09:09 -0500, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > > How about a healthy dose of ambition and aim for becoming the best > > platform of choice, regardless of the freeness? > > All desktops are aiming for that, free or not. And honestly, most > desktops are "good enough". > > > > We're already the most free and open platform out there. > > But we seem embarrassed to promote that fact heavily. > > > > Let's focus on how we can become the best platform overall... > > I don't think "best" matters that much to "average users". I mean, > people use Windows despite its headline-worthy flaws. > > > Personally, my company moved to Gnome/Gnu/Linux because: > > 1) We found that our MS Exchange Server stored data in bizarre > proprietary hard-to-backup format which requires specialized proprietary > backups programs, and as a result, we lost a lot of email in a crash. > This is a "freedom of data" issue. It is much easier to backup simple > text files in a dovecot maildir! > > 2) We wanted to print photos with their filenames at the bottom of the > page. Impossible with the crummy Windows software. Easy, if we patched > gThumb! This was a "freedom to change" issue. > > > > Obviously I want Gnome to be the "best" too. However, I think freedom is > a key Gnome attribute that is easy to explain, easy to promote, and > truly different and better than the competing offerings. I fully agree that this is great and this is good stuff for marketing. However, if we need a strategy, we need to focus on other things. We don't need to play the freedom card again, we're already best at that. My main point was that when it comes to making a big plan, we need to tackle the harder issues where we're lagging behind. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 08:30 -0500, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > On 02/24/2010 01:05 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > Software freedom is a means to furthering our vision of providing > > technology to all, regardless of means, physical and technical > > capability or culture. > > > > Freedom can lead to more available technology, but it is vital in its > > own right. It is little benefit to have technology available > > if the price of using it is your freedom. That is why we write > > free replacements for existing proprietary software. > > Richard is a purist, of course, but I do wish that gnome would beat the > freedom drum more, something like this: > > Gnome, the Free Desktop: Free to Use, Free to Share, Free to Change > > or > > Gnome: The Desktop of the Free > > or, more hiply, > > Gnome: Own Your Code. Own Your Data. Own Your Desktop! > > Really, this is the only thing that truly distinguishes Gnome from the > practical alternatives like MS, Apple. (Maybe a footnote could say > "...and less obscure than Xfce", hah hah.) How about a healthy dose of ambition and aim for becoming the best platform of choice, regardless of the freeness? Trying to win a race where you're behind by competing on another level probably won't win us much. Especially because the broader audience generally puts more value to the qualities where we fall behind (and unfortunately doesn't have trouble sleeping because of a lack of freedom). We're already the most free and open platform out there. Let's focus on how we can become the best platform overall... Ruben ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 11:16 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Richard Stallman wrote: > > Software freedom is a means to furthering our vision of providing > > technology to all, regardless of means, physical and technical > > capability or culture. > > > > Freedom can lead to more available technology, but it is vital in its > > own right. It is little benefit to have technology available > > if the price of using it is your freedom. That is why we write > > free replacements for existing proprietary software. > > To draw a parallel with slavery (hyperbole, I know, but humour me): Is > it enough to say "you're free now" for a society to be just? Is the goal > of freedom for all a sufficient vision, especially when that goal is > (more or less) accomplished today? Freedom from slavery is a means to an > end, the "end" being a just society with no racial discrimination and > equal opportunity for all. > > I am speculating, but I imagine there were a great many slaves who, once > they had obtained their freedom, were reminiscent for the day when it > was their owner's responsibility to take care of them. > > In the same way, freedom for computer users is a means to an end - that > end being that we provide a better computing environment than > proprietary alternatives, and not simply a functional free environment. > > If a computer user can be free, but will end up with an inferior > computing environment because of it, he may welcome returning to a > proprietary environment, as many Mac OS X users & free software > developers have. > > I'm just saying, that while user freedom is vital, it is insufficient as > a vision for the GNOME project. This is very well said Dave. While freedom is an important factor in life, it is not the only defining factor for quality of life. At the end of the day, most of us want a certain level of comfort too. We need a strong vision and strategy to become best of breed in software. Merely being free will only please the ascetic who can live of mental joy, but it will never capture a significant market, which in the end just means that you'll slowly become irrelevant. Ruben ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New GNOME Foundation Members
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 13:34 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 13:31 +0100, Ruben Vermeersch wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 13:24 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > > > On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 11:45 +0100, Ruben Vermeersch wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:31 -0300, Bruno Boaventura wrote: > > > > > > > Dear membership committee, > > > > > > > > Could you at least include a small description of these people when > > > > sending out these announcements (it's part of the application, > > > > copy-paste!)? I'd love to welcome them and collaborate with those that > > > > work in related areas, but unfortunately I don't know all of them. > > > > > > > > I've been bringing this point up since GUADEC 2008 in Istanbul and I > > > > still haven't seen any response to it. It's a two minute effort, but it > > > > would make the integration of new members so much nicer. > > > > > > > > Is this possible please, or will I have to complain about this again in > > > > six months? > > > > > > Why don't we ask the new members to give a short introduction > > > themselves? > > > > That has been suggested before and it never happens. Only rarely does a > > new member introduce himself/herself (kudos to them). > > Okay, that's easy to solve. > > We just make it a requirement for becoming a foundation member. And we > document this requirement on the live pages and in a welcome mail. > > If they don't introduce themselves, we just unmember them a few days > later. Why go through all the hassle if we can just copy/paste the description they already wrote :-) (also, the membership process can take some time, does it mean we should stay home and monitor our mailboxes to watch out for the 7-days introduction warning?) > I'm guessing the foundation board can make a decision about this? It > doesn't sound to me like something we need to do a vote on ;) Yeah, I just want some statement. A no is fine as well, as long as it has a good reason. I've mentioned this quite a few times already now but I never got a decent reply. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New GNOME Foundation Members
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 13:24 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 11:45 +0100, Ruben Vermeersch wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:31 -0300, Bruno Boaventura wrote: > > > Dear membership committee, > > > > Could you at least include a small description of these people when > > sending out these announcements (it's part of the application, > > copy-paste!)? I'd love to welcome them and collaborate with those that > > work in related areas, but unfortunately I don't know all of them. > > > > I've been bringing this point up since GUADEC 2008 in Istanbul and I > > still haven't seen any response to it. It's a two minute effort, but it > > would make the integration of new members so much nicer. > > > > Is this possible please, or will I have to complain about this again in > > six months? > > Why don't we ask the new members to give a short introduction > themselves? That has been suggested before and it never happens. Only rarely does a new member introduce himself/herself (kudos to them). ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New GNOME Foundation Members
On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:31 -0300, Bruno Boaventura wrote: > Hello everybody! > > The GNOME Foundation Membership Committee is proud to present the new members: > > - Bradley M. Kuhn > - Holger Berndt > - Jim Evins > - Joanmarie Diggs > - Juan Jose Marin Martinez > - Scott Balneaves > > If your name is on the list above, you're welcome!!! Feel embraced! > Being part of GNOME Foundation you're contributing more with GNOME. > > If you aren't on the list, and you are close of one of them, please > say "Welcome to GNOME Foundation" and embrace them. > > At your service, > > GNOME Foundation Membership Committee Dear membership committee, Could you at least include a small description of these people when sending out these announcements (it's part of the application, copy-paste!)? I'd love to welcome them and collaborate with those that work in related areas, but unfortunately I don't know all of them. I've been bringing this point up since GUADEC 2008 in Istanbul and I still haven't seen any response to it. It's a two minute effort, but it would make the integration of new members so much nicer. Is this possible please, or will I have to complain about this again in six months? Lovingly yours (I truly appreciate the work you guys do), Ruben ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GUADEC 2010 to be held in The Hague, Netherlands
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 20:34 +0100, Wouter Bolsterlee wrote: > Op dinsdag 01-12-2009 om 13:49 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Dave Neary: > > The Netherlands is a great location for a conference - easy to get to > > via Schiphol airport, with trains to the Hague leaving every half hour > > (and it's only a half an hour train ride). > > At least twice an hour, but usually a lot more trains per hour... :) Great connectivity from Brussels as well, with direct trains every hour. Three cheers! Ruben ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New GNOME Foundation Members
On vr, 2009-06-05 at 19:51 -0300, Leonardo Ferreira Fontenelle wrote: > Em Sex, 2009-06-05 às 11:46 +0200, Ruben Vermeersch escreveu: > > Would it be possible to include a small bio of these people when you > > announce their membership? IIRC, applicants have to give it anyway, so > > it's just a matter of copy-paste. Most new members don't introduce them > > (no hard feelings for that), so it would be nice to have some way of > > knowing who the unknown names are and what they do (that'll help > > building bridges in the community). > > > > I'd rather have the new members introducing themselves instead. We did > it before, IIRC. Maybe the web page about the process should tell people > to subscribe to the mailing list before been approved as a foundation > member, and to reply to the welcome mail with that small biography. Yes off-course, it would be better if all new members did that themselves (some, but it's a minority, already do). But there will always be those that don't. Suppose this member X happens to work on a library that's very interesting for my project. If I don't know him/her, nor does he/she send an introduction mail, how will I know? Chances are I'll never know. The Foundation exists to help the project forward. Getting people introduced to each other is one of the things it can do to do this. The least it can then do (and it takes almost no effort) is post those short biographies. New members are always free to introduce themselves in more detail afterwards. -- Ruben Vermeersch (rubenv) http://www.savanne.be/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New GNOME Foundation Members
On do, 2009-06-04 at 21:30 -0300, Bruno Boaventura wrote: > Hello everybody! > > The GNOME Foundation Membership Committee is proud to present the new members: > > - Brad Taylor > - Nils Faerber > - Paul Cutler > - Pockey Lam > > If your name is on the list above, you're welcome!!! Feel embraced! > Being part of GNOME Foundation you're contributing more with GNOME. > > If you aren't on the list, and you are close of one of them, please > say "Welcome to GNOME Foundation" and embrace them. > > At your service, > > GNOME Foundation Membership Committee Hi to all new members! Welcome! Dear membership committee: Would it be possible to include a small bio of these people when you announce their membership? IIRC, applicants have to give it anyway, so it's just a matter of copy-paste. Most new members don't introduce them (no hard feelings for that), so it would be nice to have some way of knowing who the unknown names are and what they do (that'll help building bridges in the community). This has been asked quite a lot of times before. Can we at least get an official yes/no as to whether we'll see this happening? Apart from that: keep rocking, you guys are doing a great job :-) Cheers, Ruben -- Ruben Vermeersch (rubenv) http://www.savanne.be/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: So what do people *except* me want from the foundation?
On di, 2009-06-02 at 14:25 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > What do you expect from the foundation? Last year at GUADEC during the Foundation BOF, the question was raised as to why the GNOME Foundation keeps its entire finances in a US bank account (and thus in US Dollars). This also means that quite a lot of money gets lost due to currency conversions (especially now that the Euro is growing stronger again). Especially because some of the sponsors are based in Europe, as well as GUADEC, this amount can be quite substantial. The proposal was to have a second bank account in Euros, to avoid this. Has any action being taken on looking into this and if not, could this become a task for the next board? If the economy is as bad as the news wants us to believe, squeezing out every penny will help, so it might be worthwhile to investigate if this is worth doing. Ruben -- Ruben Vermeersch (rubenv) http://www.savanne.be/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: What do you think of the foundation?
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 07:33 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > Sometimes people say inappropriate things in inappropriate tones on > GNOME forums, irc, mailing lists, blogs, etc. Right now, the community > just lets them. We don't enforce our Standards of Conduct. > > Dave was pointing out what we do have the power to do something about > it. If we decide to enforce our own Standards of Conduct, I expect > there would be discussion about what steps to take. I don't think you > should ignore the fact that we have a problem by attacking a proposed > solution. Do we really have such a huge problem that the process of punishing, kicking or simply reprimand bad behaving individuals needs to be institutionalized? I have always had the impression that the GNOME community is one of the calmest and most mature places around. And this despite the fact that there's no official "cross this line and you'll go to jail"-policy in place, which is a great testament to how open-minded and welcoming the project as a whole is. -- Ruben Vermeersch (rubenv) http://www.savanne.be/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Supporting GTK+
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 13:00 +0800, 明覺 wrote: > I'm a chinese software developer and want to donate to support the > development of GTK+ and GNOME. Could anyone tell me the best way to > denote from china. Probably the easiest way is through friends of gnome: http://www.gnome.org/friends/ Kind regards, Ruben -- Ruben Vermeersch (rubenv) http://www.savanne.be/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Travel Committee & Travel Policy: A proposal for consideration and feedback
What would be nice is to know how much an average day at GUADEC will cost. Yes, you have flights and hotel costs. But there's more: food (what's the price of a cheap but survivable restaurant in Gran Canaria?), public transport (atleast two tram rides every day in Istanbul, plus a 15 min walk in the burning sun if you didn't take the bus). These are all small extra charges (not that small in the case of restaurants), but multiply that by 8 or 9 for the whole week and it suddenly gets a quite substantial amount of money, especially if you can't send the bills over to the company. At the advice of Dave, I've booked my plane ticket early*, yet I'm now hearing everywhere that it's extremely touristic over there, leaving me with fear that just the cost of staying alive there might already be very substantial. That being said, having a small contribution from our side is perfectly reasonable, but let's keep the big picture in mind: there's more to it than just airplanes and hotels. Ruben * and thus "cheap", hoping to increase my chances of foundation sponsorship. On wo, 2009-02-18 at 09:56 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: > Hi! > > > (If you feel strongly that it is a good idea, now is the time to speak > > up.) > > > I think it's a good idea except for students! > > Regards, > Johannes > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results
On ma, 2009-01-05 at 12:32 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > On 1/5/09, Johannes Schmid wrote: > > > > 6. Check all the documentation stuff on live.gnome.org that needs to be > > updated. That is really important because not everybody is familiar with > > git. There should also be a short introduction to git somewhere on the > > wiki. And some announcements should probably be made... > > > > And perhaps explain the benefits and cool stuff, if we are moving to > !svn, we should take advantage of the new cool stuff introduced... > that's where something like Federico's proposal to use gitorious fit. Yes, rather than fighting over the backend storage format, let's focus on making our developer experience better. Having a gitorious instance for all of GNOME (our own github, powered by free & open-source software [1]), will make collaboration much easier, as well as cover infrastructure problems. [1]: http://gitorious.org/projects/gitorious -- Ruben Vermeersch (rubenv) http://www.savanne.be ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
