Re: Can we improve things?

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Dec 14, 2007 11:38 PM, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>
> > You've been asked to be more open, don't get annoyed if people are pissed
> > by closed non-answers!
>
> I'm mostly annoyed at the attitude rather than the questions (even the ones
> that have already been answered). I don't really feel an obligation to give
> answers to people who have negative intent, which I know many onlookers can
> appreciate. I'm writing an email now that will resolve some of these issues,
> with the knowledge that nothing will satisfy those who want negativity more
> than they want resolution. :-)

What is this negative intent?  I see people concerned about the
maintenance of what has become an important community resource.  Like
most hackers, they are not satisfied by processes that are not
transparent.  Whether you mean it or not, that is the impression you
are giving.

This isn't a personal attack, Jeff.  Just normal criticism of the
maintainer of a high-profile module.  So why do you think that
Federico and others "want negativity more than they want resolution"
when they are offering to help out directly?  It seems to me an awful
lot like a contributor trying hard to get his patch accepted by a
maintainer who happens to be pretty busy.

That being said, I'm glad to hear that you are making progress on this
front, and look forward to hearing more details when you have a
chance.  As someone who over-extends on a regular basis, I'm not
particularly bothered by delays.  :-)

Sandy
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Re: PROBLEM INSTALLING GTK

[Sandy Armstrong]

Fran González wrote:
> Hi you all. My name is Fran and nowadays I'm trying to install GTK
> on my Ubuntu 7.04. Once I have solved all its dependencies and the
> ./configure command is properly done, I'm trying to use 'make' command
> and this is what I  receive:

Try hitting up gtk-list [1].  foundation-list is not a support list.  It
looks like you're probably just missing a dependency, and the folks on
gtk-list will probably be able to help better with that.

Best,
Sandy

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Re: Supporting GTK+

[Sandy Armstrong]

On 03/27/2009 09:15 AM, Yasmin OROU GUIDOU wrote:

Hi,
I just want to know if you have a tutorial to configure GTK+ for
Netbeans C/C++ 6.5.1

thanks for your help.


Please try one of the GTK+ mailing lists:

http://www.gtk.org/mailing-lists.html

Best,
Sandy
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Re: Extended deadline for GUADEC's travel sponsorship applications

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño  wrote:
> Dear hackers,
>
> The deadline to apply for travel sponsorship in order to attend to
> GUADEC has been extended.  Applications will be received until April 30,
> 2009, 19:00 UTC.
>
> Instructions about the process can be read at
> http://live.gnome.org/Travel

Summer of Code students have started inquiring about GUADEC travel
sponsorship, though very very few of them are Foundation members.
Since I won't be attending GUADEC, I wasn't really on top of the
deadlines.  :-/

Should they follow the same process to apply for sponsorship, with the
same deadlines?  The "community bonding" period has just started and
we're still getting them all rounded up on the list, etc.

Thanks for any advice,
Sandy
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Re: Supporting GTK+

[Sandy Armstrong]

I believe Martyn Russell maintains the page.  At least, he did when I
asked about this in #gtk+ back in March.  Like everyone, he's probably
busy with higher priority stuff, but I agree that this situation is
pretty annoying.  :-)

Sandy

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Lionel Dricot wrote:
> Could we imagine to fix the confusing gtk page pointing to this list
> once for all?
>
> Who is the webmaster of that page?
>
> Lionel
>
>
>
> Le mercredi 05 août 2009 à 16:51 -0400, Pierre-Luc Beaudoin a écrit :
>> On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 23:15 -0700, Bo Yang wrote:
>> > Recently I’m working on GTK/DirectFB, and I found a coding mistake (I
>> > think) at gdk/directfb/gdkgeometry-directfb.c:249.
>> >
>> > When dx or dy is negative, the destination point is calculated wrong.
>> >
>> > Directly use coordinates in dest_extents is just fine.
>>
>> Such emails would be more appropriate on gtk-l...@gnome.org, or
>> gtk-app-devel-l...@gnome.org
>>
>> Also consider raising a bug on http://bugs.gnome.org
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Pierre-Luc
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Re: Free Desktop Communities come together at the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 21:06 +0530, Srinivasa Ragavan wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
>> > Apologizes for asking.
>> >
>> > When was the community consulted about this decision?
>>
>> There was a survey request on the foundation list about the opinion
>> from the members.
>> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-July/msg6.html
>
> Aha, thanks.
>
> Are the results of that survey available?

Looks like there is at least a FAQ addressing the reasons for the decision:

http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2009-08-desktop-summit-conclusion.html
(scroll down a lot)

I'd be curious to see the survey results, too.  I do not disagree with
the decision to split, though I think we could have done the joint
conference a bit better.

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Re: Supporting GTK+

[Sandy Armstrong]

If this is fixed in git, it has not been pushed to the live site.

Sandy

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> Fixed. The header now says "Donations".
> - Andreas
>
> On 08/05/2009 11:18 PM, Sandy Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> I believe Martyn Russell maintains the page.  At least, he did when I
>> asked about this in #gtk+ back in March.  Like everyone, he's probably
>> busy with higher priority stuff, but I agree that this situation is
>> pretty annoying.  :-)
>>
>> Sandy
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Lionel Dricot  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Could we imagine to fix the confusing gtk page pointing to this list
>>> once for all?
>>>
>>> Who is the webmaster of that page?
>>>
>>> Lionel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le mercredi 05 août 2009 à 16:51 -0400, Pierre-Luc Beaudoin a écrit :
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 23:15 -0700, Bo Yang wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently I’m working on GTK/DirectFB, and I found a coding mistake (I
>>>>> think) at gdk/directfb/gdkgeometry-directfb.c:249.
>>>>>
>>>>> When dx or dy is negative, the destination point is calculated wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Directly use coordinates in dest_extents is just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Such emails would be more appropriate on gtk-l...@gnome.org, or
>>>> gtk-app-devel-l...@gnome.org
>>>>
>>>> Also consider raising a bug on http://bugs.gnome.org
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pierre-Luc
>>>>
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Re: Foundation IRC meeting, January 30th

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Vincent Untz  wrote:
> Le jeudi 21 janvier 2010, à 13:02 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a écrit :
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> looking forward for feedback and discussion of general issues, the Board
>> would like to invite all GNOME Foundation members to a general purpose
>> IRC meeting:
>>
>>         When: Saturday, January 30th, 16:00 UTC
>>         Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation
>
> And this is starting now. Don't miss your last chance to attend ;-)

An untrimmed log is available here:

http://armstrong-clan.net/dump/foundation.log

I'll happily put this on the wiki if there's a particular place it should go.

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Re: Foundation IRC meeting, January 30th

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Vincent Untz  wrote:
> Le samedi 30 janvier 2010, à 21:43 -0800, Sandy Armstrong a écrit :
>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Vincent Untz  wrote:
>> > Le jeudi 21 janvier 2010, à 13:02 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a écrit :
>> >> Hey everyone,
>> >>
>> >> looking forward for feedback and discussion of general issues, the Board
>> >> would like to invite all GNOME Foundation members to a general purpose
>> >> IRC meeting:
>> >>
>> >>         When: Saturday, January 30th, 16:00 UTC
>> >>         Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation
>> >
>> > And this is starting now. Don't miss your last chance to attend ;-)
>>
>> An untrimmed log is available here:
>>
>> http://armstrong-clan.net/dump/foundation.log
>>
>> I'll happily put this on the wiki if there's a particular place it should go.
>
> It's already attached to
> http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC20100130 (although the
> page links to the file on your website, instead of the attachment, hrm)
>
> Thanks for the log :-)

Oh, I see now!  Normally I make a separate wiki page with the log
pasted inside a {{{#!irc tag [0], so I wasn't expecting an attachment.

Sandy

[0] http://live.gnome.org/Snowy/Meetings/23Jan2010/Log
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Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Richard Stallman  wrote:
>    It seems to me there's a continuing need to 1) raise awareness about
>    GNOME, 2) raise money for GNOME, and 3) provide services around open
>    tools so users don't need to host their own servers, etc., to benefit
>    from services like Snowy, iFolder, etc.
>
> Let's not be in a rush to invite users to use servers -- even our own
> -- instead of their own computers.  That is the wrong direction to go.

It is something our users want, and even expect.  "Wrong" is a loaded
word.  If we make an effort to be a truly Free Network Service
[http://autonomo.us/], there are a lot of benefits to users.

I am not trying to say that the risks you mention do not exist.  But
they can be addressed in time (by features like encryption, as you
mention below).  In the meantime, users are free to not use the
service, or to set up their own servers under their own control
running the Snowy software.

> For instance, consider Snowy:
>
>     "Snowy is a web application for synchronizing, viewing, sharing, and
>      editing your Tomboy notes online. It is designed to power an upcoming
>      Tomboy Online free web service where any Tomboy user can make an
>      account. It can also be used on your own personal server.
>      Snowy is AGPL-licensed and written in Python using the Django framework."
>
> Synchronizing and sharing the notes are not SaaS, though editing might
> be SaaS.  So at least some of this service is basically ok, provided
> Gnote can also use it (because Tomboy's dependence on C# is a problem).

The REST API used for syncing is being developed in the open in
collaboration with other interested parties, including other
Tomboy-compatible applications like Tomdroid and Conboy, and server
software like Ubuntu One and Midgard2.  There is nothing preventing
the Gnote developer from implementing this API, or contributing to its
development.

The reason we specifically talk about Tomboy here is because it is a
part of the GNOME Desktop Suite.

> Even better, can Gnote be adapted to communicate these data via email,
> I wonder?  Then it would not need a server at all.  People could
> optionally encrypt the email using GPG for full privacy.

Email certainly requires a server.

Encrypting user data is something I'd like to explore for Snowy in the
future (see Mozilla's Weave project for a good example of how this
might be done).  I won't be working on this feature until we've gotten
a bit further in development and deployment, but anyone is welcome to
contribute that feature earlier if it interests them.

Storing everything encrypted will have an impact on the ability for
Snowy to provide certain features that users expect in an efficient
manner, so I would not be surprised if many users would choose
features over absolute privacy.  They make that choice every day when
they use Gmail and Facebook.

We can simultaneously work toward providing a compelling service and
protecting our users' freedom, but both goals take time and effort.

> This approach would require some programming, but that would only have
> to be done once; it would spare GNOME the continuing effort of running
> a server, and enable users to avoid depending on one.

I am curious to see what effort and expense will be required by GNOME
to host Tomboy Online.

But the reality for users is that they care about the features that
are most easily enabled by a hosted service.  I feel it would be
foolish of us to keep waiting (aka, losing) until a perfect non-server
solution was available.

But as always, patches welcome.

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Re: unsubscribing

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Felix Kaser  wrote:
>
>
> On 03/05/2010 02:57 PM, Paul Cutler wrote:
>>
>> I don't really want to start the conversation again that we had about
>> the Code of Conduct, but if our Foundation members are no longer
>> participating in the conversation for all the reasons we are currently
>> seeing, I think we need to find a solution quickly.
>>
>> I don't know what that solution is without some knee jerk reactions, but
>> I just wanted to communicate my dismay in seeing long standing
>> Foundation members leave the list.
>
> What about forming small workgroups which kick in when a topic becomes
> too "emotional" or simply too complex, unclear and confusing to be
> discussed on foundation list?

Or, moderators could step in immediately when a thread starts to
meander off-topic, and recommend that new threads be started.  This
way, useful threads can be read, and argumentative ones can be ignored
by uninterested parties.

It shouldn't be too hard for those who feel the need to quibble on
certain points, to change the subject of their replies to reflect that
their email is no longer on-topic for the thread.

> If you look at the last 20 or 30 emails you will notice that there are
> some few people which participate at the discussion. I'm sure that there
> are others which are in "read-only" mode or in "ignore" mode. They may
> be too frightened to participate because all they get in return are
> unkind words.

Dave recently shared this article on Planet GNOME, and I do hope that
everyone who is contributing to the bulk of these giant threads (you
know who you are) will take the time to read it:

http://www.danspalding.com/articles/stfu.html

> I suggest to form workgroups which get a own mailinglist and the
> workgroup can discuss the topic (whatever that would be) inside the
> group and present the outcome of the discussion on foundation list.

I'm not trying to knock your idea, but it is a lot of infrastructure
to solve a problem that, realistically, requires immediate action.  It
is not that useful for a workgroup to show up three days later and
declare that a thread has gotten off track.  If we can address the
problem at its source, it might work better.  For example:

* Private emails to the troublemakers, encouraging them to realize the
damaging effects they are having.
* Stop tolerating threads going off-topic.  Insist that a new thread
be started, and enforce repeated offenses with temporary banning.

If nobody is participating in these new argumentative threads, they
will die out on their own.  But as long as they're mixed in with real,
useful debate, the problem of this list being completely unreadable
will continue.

Just my two cents,
Sandy
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Re: Google Summer of Code 2010 Call for Ideas

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Brian Cameron  wrote:
>
> Ruben:
>
> At the GNOME Usability Hackfest, it was discussed that there is a
> real need to develop some free software to help the GNOME Usability
> team better collaborate.  Máirín Duffy discusses this in some detail
> in her blog:
>
> http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/the-one-where-the-designers-ask-for-a-pony/
>
> Could this project be a part of the Google Summer of Code project?

That would be a great project, as long as somebody is willing to
mentor it.  ;-)  That's usually the only limiting factor, as long as
it's GNOME-related.

Sandy
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Re: CEO Goals & Bonuses

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Brian Cameron  wrote:
>  + Increase revenue ($4,500)
>
>   + Increase revenue via new Advisory Board membership, Grants, or
>     finding other new sources of revenue.  This bonus will only be
>     paid out at the end of the fiscal year and only if the GNOME
>     Foundation made more money than it did in the previous year.  For
>     each $10,000 of additional income that the CEO played a
>     significant role in acquiring, the CEO will be paid $450.  This
>     has a maximum bonus of $4,500 for bringing in $50,000.

There is a math error here, somewhere.  450/1 is 4.5%, but 4500/5 is 9%.

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Re: Speaker Guidelines

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Murray Cumming  wrote:
> "We are not interested in a debate about whether someone should feel
> offended. You should avoid offending people even if you do not share
> their views."
>
> "We do not consider this to be excessive censorship. It does not stop
> you from offending outside of the community."

I really like these additions, and would like to see them on the page.

Sandy
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Last call for SoC Ideas! (was Re: Google Summer of Code 2010 Call for Ideas)

[Sandy Armstrong]

Howdy,

On Sunday a small group of SoC mentors will sort through the list of
ideas on the wiki, clean them up, remove those we don't want to
recommend to students, and highlight those we find especially
alluring.

If you have ideas for your project, you have today and tomorrow to add
them to the wiki before our meeting.  Please place new ideas in the
"Other Ideas" section:

http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010/Ideas#Other_Ideas

The student proposal period starts Monday.  If you want to help review
student proposals, please sign up as a mentor.  If you don't use your
full name and include details when applying to be a mentor, we may not
know who you are, so if you choose to do that please email me, Ruben,
or Daniel with your link_id so we don't reject you. :-)  We have to be
careful because there are some sneaky or confused students out there
who try to sign up as mentors.

The ideas page will be under tight control after our meeting on
Sunday, but it will still be possible to add ideas if you check with
folks in #soc-admin or on the GNOME soc-mentors-list first.

Thanks for your time,
Sandy

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Ruben Vermeersch  wrote:
> Hiya GNOME lovers!
>
> It's that time of the year again: Google's Summer of Code is
> approaching. We are in the midst of preparing it all [1] but we need
> your help by submitting great project ideas. Student proposals will
> start to roll in on March 29, but we'd like to make sure there are
> plenty of projects from them to choose from and have mentors ready to
> volunteer their time.
>
> So what should you do? Please visit [2] and enter your project ideas
> under the "New Untriaged Ideas" section.  A committee will be formed up
> later to triage the ideas prior to the opening of the proposal period.
>
> If you would like to volunteer your time to mentor but don't have a
> project idea, surf over and claim one.  Mentoring is an awesome way to
> get more involved with the community and introduce someone to it.
>
> If you would like to throw your hat in the ring for the triaging or
> selection committees and other GSoC related tasks, pop on over to
> #soc-admin, join the soc-mentors-list and let one of the
> administrators for the program know you want to be involved in making
> GNOME rock.
>
> This year's administrators are Ruben Vermeersch, Christophe Fergeau and
> Daniel Siegel (and Sandy Armstrong, for as long as his time doesn't get
> stolen by the upcoming kid :-))
>
> Cheers,
>   The GNOME Google Summer of Code Administrators
>
>
>
> [1] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010
> [2] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010/Ideas
>
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Re: Last call for SoC Ideas! (was Re: Google Summer of Code 2010 Call for Ideas)

[Sandy Armstrong]

This meeting is actually on *Saturday*, not Sunday, so STOP SLACKING GO GO GO!

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Sandy Armstrong
 wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> On Sunday a small group of SoC mentors will sort through the list of
> ideas on the wiki, clean them up, remove those we don't want to
> recommend to students, and highlight those we find especially
> alluring.
>
> If you have ideas for your project, you have today and tomorrow to add
> them to the wiki before our meeting.  Please place new ideas in the
> "Other Ideas" section:
>
> http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010/Ideas#Other_Ideas
>
> The student proposal period starts Monday.  If you want to help review
> student proposals, please sign up as a mentor.  If you don't use your
> full name and include details when applying to be a mentor, we may not
> know who you are, so if you choose to do that please email me, Ruben,
> or Daniel with your link_id so we don't reject you. :-)  We have to be
> careful because there are some sneaky or confused students out there
> who try to sign up as mentors.
>
> The ideas page will be under tight control after our meeting on
> Sunday, but it will still be possible to add ideas if you check with
> folks in #soc-admin or on the GNOME soc-mentors-list first.
>
> Thanks for your time,
> Sandy
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Ruben Vermeersch  wrote:
>> Hiya GNOME lovers!
>>
>> It's that time of the year again: Google's Summer of Code is
>> approaching. We are in the midst of preparing it all [1] but we need
>> your help by submitting great project ideas. Student proposals will
>> start to roll in on March 29, but we'd like to make sure there are
>> plenty of projects from them to choose from and have mentors ready to
>> volunteer their time.
>>
>> So what should you do? Please visit [2] and enter your project ideas
>> under the "New Untriaged Ideas" section.  A committee will be formed up
>> later to triage the ideas prior to the opening of the proposal period.
>>
>> If you would like to volunteer your time to mentor but don't have a
>> project idea, surf over and claim one.  Mentoring is an awesome way to
>> get more involved with the community and introduce someone to it.
>>
>> If you would like to throw your hat in the ring for the triaging or
>> selection committees and other GSoC related tasks, pop on over to
>> #soc-admin, join the soc-mentors-list and let one of the
>> administrators for the program know you want to be involved in making
>> GNOME rock.
>>
>> This year's administrators are Ruben Vermeersch, Christophe Fergeau and
>> Daniel Siegel (and Sandy Armstrong, for as long as his time doesn't get
>> stolen by the upcoming kid :-))
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   The GNOME Google Summer of Code Administrators
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010
>> [2] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2010/Ideas
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.savanne.be/
>>
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Re: proposed speaker guidelines

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Richard Stallman  wrote:
>
> The proposed speaker guidelines have a serious problem.  Since they
> prohibit anything that makes someone uncomfortable, regardless of why,
> and since criticism of one's actions tends to make many people
> uncomfortable, the consequence is to prohibit serious criticism of any
> practice that is followed by someone in the audience.

This is true, maybe we should be a little more clear about what it
means to make somebody uncomfortable in the context of these
guidelines.  I don't think the guidelines refer to making the audience
uncomfortable with your technical or legal opinion.

> For instance, when I asserted that use of C# was risky, someone in the
> audience objected, claiming that this was unfair to the C# language.
> Apparently that person felt uncomfortable with what I said about C#.
> It seems that these proposed guidelines would prohibit any statement
> that GNOME needs to avoid a certain practice lest it cause a serious
> problem.

Richard, I'm fairly certain these guidelines are more about not making
the audience uncomfortable when prominent speakers make sexist
remarks, or remarks critical of religion, etc etc, especially when
these remarks are completely off-topic.

I don't think they are meant to prevent you from making critical
statements on relevant subject matter based on technical or legal
arguments.

When viewing these guidelines as a reaction to your own GUADEC
keynote, I think you might be thinking of the wrong "uncomfortable"
statements.

Sandy
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Re: Announcing our new Foundation members

[Sandy Armstrong]

Welcome to my friends Hylke, Simon, Joe, Bryen, and all the rest!

Cheers,
Sandy

2010/4/21 Andrea Veri :
> Hi,
>
> I would like to announce some of the new Foundation members we approved
> during these two months.
> Unfortunately changing the welcome mail to have them sending out an
> introduction to the list didnt have
> good results since just one new member posted on the list lately.
>
> So in the name's list that will follow, you'll find one or two details
> (mostly the area of involvement) about
> our brand new members.
>
> They are:
>
> 1. Alexandre Franke (translations for the French l10n team plus Planner's
> bug triaging and code commits)
> 2. Koen Martens (main organizator of GUADEC 2010)
> 3. Hylke Bons (Icons (Tango, GNOME Icon Theme, Moblin), Artwork, UI Design,
> Usability)
> 4. Tomeu Vizoso (Filed bugs, contributed fixes, implemented features,
> hippo-canvas maintenance)
> 5. Xabier Rodriguez Calvar (main developer in MAFW (Maemo), Hildon (Maemo)
> and Fisterra project)
> 6. Nils-Christoph Fiedler (Translation and coordination of GNOME into Low
> German on gnome.org and integration of
>     Low German GNOME strings into Launchpad.)
> 7. Simon van der Linden (Pygi maintainer)
> 8. Zhang Sen (Gnome-games, Foresight Linux packaging, Summer of Code, Gnome
> Developer Kit)
> 9. Jean-François Fortin Tam (Pitivi project and its documentation, code,
> translations and talks)
> 10. William Kahn-Greene (GNOME Journal article, GNOME Miro Community.)
> 11. Joe Brockmeier (Press releases for the GNOME Foundation plus Public
> Relations leader)
> 12. Hiroyuki Ikezoe (librsvg maintainer)
> 13. Thorsten Prante (Co-founder of the Zeitgeist project)
> 14. Bryen Yunashko (GNOME A11y team)
>
> Please welcome them into the team with a great hug!
>
> /me goes back preparing the elections : /
>
> cheers!
>
> The GNOME Membership Committee
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Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2010 - The candidates

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Tobias Mueller  wrote:
> Please see 
> for details.

Brian's name is followed by a link to Paul's email and an excerpt from
it.  This should be fixed to link to and excerpt from
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2010-May/msg5.html

Cheers,
Sandy
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Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Sergey Panov  wrote:
> I sense a suspicion from the outsiders (not RedHat employees) that
> project is not just manned by the RedHat employees, but controlled by
> the company

It's controlled by the people doing the work, like any other project.

What does it mean to be "controlled by the company"?  It sounds a bit
far-fetched.

> When design/architecture decisions are made within the
> company in most of the cases you get, at best, monstrosities like an
> OpenOffice.

The differences between gnome-shell's development and that of
OpenOffice are so staggeringly different that I'm not sure how to
respond to such a statement.

I really don't see how any of the critical responses in this thread
are not already answered by Owen's original post.

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Re: Ensuring GNOME 3 is a Success

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Brian Cameron
 wrote:
>
>> You let us know overwhelmingly that ensuring that GNOME 3 is a success
>> is the #1 priority that the GNOME Foundation should be working on
>> according to the survey Stormy ran last January.[1]
>
> Sorry, but the reference in my previous email pointed to a non-public
> link.  The survey I am talking about is here:
>
> [1]
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2010-January/msg00135.html

Our of curiosity, are the results of this survey public?

Sandy
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Re: How about creating addons.gnome.org

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Johannes Schmid  wrote:
> Hi!
>
>>>As all the applications involved are GPL'd
>>
>> Which applications are involved? There are some desktop apps that are
>> LGPL'd or even MIT'd, for which non-free addons could legally be
>> developed.
>
> Could you give examples inside the GNOME Desktop release set (not libraries)?

Tomboy is LGPL2.

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Re: How about creating addons.gnome.org

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Patryk Zawadzki  wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Shaun McCance  wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 06:38 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote:
>>> Tomboy is LGPL2.
>> Right, so some developers may choose to license their apps
>> or plugin frameworks liberally to allow proprietary plugins.
>> We don't need a morality debate on the existence of those
>> plugins on this list (please). But I think most would agree
>> that our servers shouldn't host non-free software.
>
> It's not really a question of morality, how would we prevent a user
> from installing both a GPL and a non-OSI plugin for Tomboy at the same
> time?

Forgive my ignorance, but isn't that perfectly allowed as long as the
user doesn't then distribute the combination?

In other news, I agree with Shaun that a hypothetical a.g.o should
only host free software.

Sandy
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Re: GNOME Foundation Hires a System Administrator

[Sandy Armstrong]

That's great news!  Christer's already an awesome member of the
sysadmin team, so it's great to have him on in a paid capacity. :-)

Sandy

2010/9/17 Paul Cutler :
> The GNOME Foundation is pleased to announce the hiring of Christer Edwards
> to fill the position of system administrator.  Christer joins the GNOME
> Foundation in a part-time role and will be responsible for working with
> GNOME's volunteer sysadmin team in mantaining GNOME's infrastructure.
> The GNOME Foundation would like to thank all the candidates who applied for
> the system administrator position.
> The Board of Directors would also like to thank the interview panel of
> Jonathan Blandford, Bradley Kuhn and Brad Taylor.  Jonathan, Bradley and
> Brad conducted numerous interviews and we are grateful for the time they
> spent during this process.
> Welcome aboard Christer!
> Paul Cutler
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Re: [Fwd: GNOME Developer Survey]

[Sandy Armstrong]

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:33 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Michael Meeks wrote:
> >       These people are irritating ... three spams from the same group. They
> > shot themselves in the foot in the third paragraph with the "twenty
> > minutes" IMHO.
>
> I've also seen it on other forums. As far as I know, they approached the
> board so it's sanctioned. Grin & bear it has been my approach.

Also, each email has a "Follow the link to opt out of future emails:"
link at the bottom.

I'm not crazy about this survey or how it's been handled, either, but
you don't *have* to deal with the spam any more than once. ;-)

Sandy
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