Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Some good jokes in this thread this morning :). On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 13:33 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: > Seriously, I went once to a ski resort, and some doctors conference was > taking place in a hotel there, and I really think it would be a great > thing for hackfests (maybe not for a big conference like GUADEC or the > Summit), but getting the right people together in a similar place might > be much more productive than getting them on a big city, in separated > hotels, and no sport activities at all :-) Getting 15/20 people together > in a hotel, for some skiing during the morning, and talks and hacking in > the afternoon / evening could be a good way of organising hackfests Foundation would be happy to do that for hackfests, yes. We are still waiting for proposals. Go ahead! I'd say keeping hackfests to less than 10 people will be even more productive. When David Bolter, Ben Konrath, and myself met last Summer here in Toronto to discuss the a11y summit, we all agreed that we can hold a very decent and great hackfest for 10 people in cottages two hours drive from Toronto for less than $2000 for accommodation for a week, including both weekends. Compare that to hotels... Add car rentals and food and you're still much below what hotels would cost. And I'm talking about cottages by gorgeous lakes, with kayaking and canoeing options. So yeah, go ahead and propose... The accommodation sharing works even for busy locations like Berlin, but the bigger the group gets the harder it is to find suitable offerings and this is a lesson we learned the hard way during the GTK+ Hackfest last month. Now I have to go finish that hackfest report... will be back. > At least, hackers would learn how to ski :-) and the same could be done > during the summer, with some biking/hiking activities in the morning. We > are all getting old, so we need something else than only hacking :-) -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Fwd: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Hi Valek, Valek Filippov wrote: >> I would love an extra conference in Canada, for example. But the GNOME >> User and Developer EUROPEAN Conference is ... well, European. Right? > > Btw, why the Boston Summit is always in Boston? > It's not fair! > There are much better places for this event. > For example the Boston Summit in Kyoto would be a nice idea. As Luis pointed out, the Boston Summit is in Boston because both Red Hat and Novell (formerly Ximian) have lots of GNOME developers living there. Holding the Summit there allowed these companies to send more people. I think a GNOME event in Kyoto would be a great idea. The Foundation has always encouraged GNOME events in regions other than Europe and the US - the GNOME Forum in Brazil, the GNOME Asia Summit in Beijing later this year, the GNOME developer room in FOSDEM, and gnome.conf.au in LCA. If you would like to see a GNOME event in Japan, the please! by all means, start one, and request help from fellow GNOME hackers and from the foundation. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:00 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Rodrigo Moya wrote: > > I wouldn't mind having a joint skiing/hacking conference there :-) > > Crazy idea (tell me if I've been smoking the wacky baccy): > > Someone offers to host the Summit at the Summit, say in Utah or > Whistler? Travel costs would be an issue, but fitting in some skiing > over a holiday weekend in (say) February would be cool. > where do I need to sign? :-) Seriously, I went once to a ski resort, and some doctors conference was taking place in a hotel there, and I really think it would be a great thing for hackfests (maybe not for a big conference like GUADEC or the Summit), but getting the right people together in a similar place might be much more productive than getting them on a big city, in separated hotels, and no sport activities at all :-) Getting 15/20 people together in a hotel, for some skiing during the morning, and talks and hacking in the afternoon / evening could be a good way of organising hackfests At least, hackers would learn how to ski :-) and the same could be done during the summer, with some biking/hiking activities in the morning. We are all getting old, so we need something else than only hacking :-) -- Rodrigo Moya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Fwd: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
> I would love an extra conference in Canada, for example. But the GNOME > User and Developer EUROPEAN Conference is ... well, European. Right? Btw, why the Boston Summit is always in Boston? It's not fair! There are much better places for this event. For example the Boston Summit in Kyoto would be a nice idea. -- Cheers, Valek ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 22:39 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 08:48 +1000, Andrew Cowie wrote: > > > > If keeping the costs down is a factor, then perhaps some attempt > > should > > be made to return the conference forward in the calendar a bit. Too > > late for 2008, of course, but something we may want to consider for > > 2009. > > GUADEC was pushed into the high-season to avoid conflicts with school > exams. It just happens that school exams determine high season too. With all these discussions about changing things about GUADEC, like not choosing Europe as a location and changing the date ... Didn't Guadec work out quite well the other years? If the formula, then why change it? However. I would love an extra conference in Canada, for example. But the GNOME User and Developer EUROPEAN Conference is ... well, European. Right? Although a lot of Canadians and Europeans would love Canada to become part of Europe! We once made a tunnel* to the guys living on the British Islands, maybe we can make one to Canada too? ;-) * Regretfully is air-travel nonetheless cheaper than using the tunnel. -- Philip Van Hoof, freelance software developer home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org http://pvanhoof.be/blog http://codeminded.be ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 08:48 +1000, Andrew Cowie wrote: > > If keeping the costs down is a factor, then perhaps some attempt > should > be made to return the conference forward in the calendar a bit. Too > late for 2008, of course, but something we may want to consider for > 2009. GUADEC was pushed into the high-season to avoid conflicts with school exams. It just happens that school exams determine high season too. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 08:48 +1000, Andrew Cowie wrote: > Otherwise, if we're not worrying about budgets, then by all means. > European summers are lovely. Or elsewhere since we are not worrying about budgets in this hypothesis. Hub ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 17:38 +0300, Quim Gil wrote: > ...Being in Summer... This has been mentioned elsewhere, but not in this thread: the middle of summer is high season for air travel to Europe from North America and elsewhere and as a result tickets are much more expensive. Over the last 4 years of GUADECs we have shifted from mid-late May (no problem) to early July (the only dates that are harder to travel are religious holidays). If keeping the costs down is a factor, then perhaps some attempt should be made to return the conference forward in the calendar a bit. Too late for 2008, of course, but something we may want to consider for 2009. Otherwise, if we're not worrying about budgets, then by all means. European summers are lovely. AfC Sydney -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Operational Dynamics is an operations and engineering consultancy focusing on IT strategy, organizational architecture, systems review, and effective procedures for change management. We actively carry out research and development in these areas on behalf of our clients, and enable successful use of open source in their mission critical enterprises, worldwide. http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ Sydney New York Toronto London signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Hi all, > Whistler should work, yeah. I hear there's going to be a huge Firefox > summit in Whistler later this Summer. I may be attending, in which case > I'll check out the place. *BUT*, we already have Boston Summit scheduled > for October in Boston. Having another one just a few months later > doesn't make much sense. So, we seem to be talking about '10. Whistler in 2010 would not work. At least it is going to be extremely expensive to go because Winter Olympic Games will be in Whistler. As Luis said, don't get too excited about Whistler. :( Clare ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 20:01 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > > Whistler should work, yeah. I hear there's going to be a huge Firefox > > > summit in Whistler later this Summer. I may be attending, in which case > > > I'll check out the place. *BUT*, we already have Boston Summit scheduled > > > for October in Boston. Having another one just a few months later > > > doesn't make much sense. So, we seem to be talking about '10. > > > > Really? I wasn't aware we'd started planning the Summit in Boston yet > > this year. I was thinking about '08/'09, but obviously if you've got a > > site sorted out in Boston, keeping that makes sense. > > J5 has been working on booking Stata Center, yes. There may not be > anything concrete yet, as IIRC we had to wait until May to be able to > book for October. John? Before people get too excited about Whistler, let this be a polite reminder that the reason we've historically had summit in Boston is that it allows RH and Novell to effectively double the number of events they can send people to from 1 (GUADEC) to 2 (GUADEC and Summit) since the vast majority of their people are in Boston. I obviously can't speak to the current budget situation at either company, but I'm guessing neither is so flush that they'll be happy to fly their desktop teams to Canada for an event when they could have had the event in their back yards. Of course, both companies would be better positioned to complain if they were better about offering beds and such to Boston visitors, but... :) Luis ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 20:01 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > Whistler should work, yeah. I hear there's going to be a huge Firefox > > summit in Whistler later this Summer. I may be attending, in which case > > I'll check out the place. *BUT*, we already have Boston Summit scheduled > > for October in Boston. Having another one just a few months later > > doesn't make much sense. So, we seem to be talking about '10. > > Really? I wasn't aware we'd started planning the Summit in Boston yet > this year. I was thinking about '08/'09, but obviously if you've got a > site sorted out in Boston, keeping that makes sense. J5 has been working on booking Stata Center, yes. There may not be anything concrete yet, as IIRC we had to wait until May to be able to book for October. John? > Cheers, > Dave. > -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Hi, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > Whistler should work, yeah. I hear there's going to be a huge Firefox > summit in Whistler later this Summer. I may be attending, in which case > I'll check out the place. *BUT*, we already have Boston Summit scheduled > for October in Boston. Having another one just a few months later > doesn't make much sense. So, we seem to be talking about '10. Really? I wasn't aware we'd started planning the Summit in Boston yet this year. I was thinking about '08/'09, but obviously if you've got a site sorted out in Boston, keeping that makes sense. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:00 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Rodrigo Moya wrote: > > I wouldn't mind having a joint skiing/hacking conference there :-) > > Crazy idea (tell me if I've been smoking the wacky baccy): > > Someone offers to host the Summit at the Summit, say in Utah or > Whistler? Travel costs would be an issue, but fitting in some skiing > over a holiday weekend in (say) February would be cool. Whistler should work, yeah. I hear there's going to be a huge Firefox summit in Whistler later this Summer. I may be attending, in which case I'll check out the place. *BUT*, we already have Boston Summit scheduled for October in Boston. Having another one just a few months later doesn't make much sense. So, we seem to be talking about '10. > Cheers, > Dave. > -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Hi, Rodrigo Moya wrote: > I wouldn't mind having a joint skiing/hacking conference there :-) Crazy idea (tell me if I've been smoking the wacky baccy): Someone offers to host the Summit at the Summit, say in Utah or Whistler? Travel costs would be an issue, but fitting in some skiing over a holiday weekend in (say) February would be cool. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 23:33 -0400, Clare So wrote: > > As for me, the reason not pushing for Canada is that a GNOME community > > in Canada is surprisingly non-existent. Sure, there's you, me, and > > desrt. But that's pretty much it. > > Is there anyone from Western Canada? You, me, desrt and Hub are > living in the Eastern part of the country. > > I agree with you, Behdad. There is no point in pushing for Canada. > Other than the size of the community, another important factor is the > weather. The winter here would be too shocking for a lot of people. > (7-feet snowbank, -25C in the night, 10cm of new snow in a day ... > just to name a few. But hey, great for skiing, snowboarding or > skating!) > I wouldn't mind having a joint skiing/hacking conference there :-) > Where in the world with the highest concentration of GNOME and KDE > community? This thread has so far been considering the GNOME > community only. > KDE seems to be more Europe-centric than GNOME, from what I know -- Rodrigo Moya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Quim Gil wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Amsterdam > >> Frankfurt > >> Paris > >> Brussels > >> Geneva > >> Milan > > > > Helsinki, anyone? > > Are you feeling like becoming our first recidivist? I wouldn't be the first one helping out in more than one GUADEC and I'm definitely not proposing to coordinate a second one. Helsinki is not a bad place for a joint GUADEC/aKademy. Being in Summer, you can hack during the "day" (and that's about 20h) and sleep all night long. ;) It would be nice to have some local guy i.e. Linus Torvalds for the opening keynote... -- Quim Gil /// http://flors.wordpress.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Hi, Johannes Schmid wrote: > Sorry, to step into this discussion, but I would really like to point > out that every part of the world may have a gnome conference, even an > important or *the* GNOME conference. But why can we keep GUADEC the > "european" conference? > > If you want to do a GUAD*C at any other place of the world, I am fully > ok with that but let's keep one GNOME conference in europe as there is a > huge community there. I also feel this way. Pretty much every continent has their GNOME meeting, and Europe has several (the GNOME devroom in FOSDEM, GUADEC, Guademy, the Boston Summit, Forum GNOME, the GNOME developer meetings, GNOME Asia Summit, gnome.conf.au). All are co-ordinated by local GNOME user groups or individuals except for the Summit and GUADEC. GUADEC is different from the others for two reasons: * We make an effort to get as many GNOME developers as possible together, regardless of the cost * Thus, we need more money, sponsorship and infrastructure Those two things would become orders of magnitude more difficult if GUADEC were outside Europe. Costs would be multiples higher for a flagship GNOME conference in the US (just ask the LUG Radio guys). We would perhaps get more US attendees, but much fewer European attendees. Overall, I think we'd probably have fewer participants and higher costs. > Nevertheless, we would need some host applications anyway, before we can > discuss the place further. I also agree whole-heartedly with this. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Quim Gil wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Amsterdam >> Frankfurt >> Paris >> Brussels >> Geneva >> Milan > > Helsinki, anyone? Are you feeling like becoming our first recidivist? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Le jeudi 24 avril 2008, à 17:14 +0300, Quim Gil a écrit : > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Amsterdam > > Frankfurt > > Paris > > Brussels > > Geneva > > Milan > > Helsinki, anyone? I heard there's someone who organized a GUADEC living in Helsinki. Maybe he can help? :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Amsterdam > Frankfurt > Paris > Brussels > Geneva > Milan Helsinki, anyone? -- Quim Gil /// http://flors.wordpress.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
> I currently don't like the fact that no one can even consider working in > such a proposal. I think it's possible, but there's little incentive to right now, because it seems so unlikely that it would succeed. If there was a bid that might succeed, it would be a cheap location (in terms of travel and event budget) pushing on the boundaries of Europe. Some might suggest that Turkey fits that description. :-) - Jeff -- OSCON 2008: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ "It is not enough for me to wear dark sunglasses and a wig. The wheelchair gives me away. People want to be photographed with me, but it can be a nuisance when I am in a hurry." - Stephen Hawking on celebrity ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 15:26 -0700, Ted Gould wrote: > On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 17:36 -0400, Claudio Saavedra wrote: > > What I would like to see is proposals to host GUADEC in other places of > > the world to be considered. There may be a bias to prefer European > > locations because it's more practical, that seems reasonable; but at > > some point someone could appear with an amazing proposal at a great > > non-european location that would make everyone say "wow.. we have to do > > it there!". I currently don't like the fact that no one can even > > consider working in such a proposal. > > I agree with this. I guess I would like the official foundation policy > on this to be: > > "It's cheaper to hold it in Europe, but if you've got a great > location and tons of funding, we're willing to have it > anywhere." > > Limit the location based on the ability of the organizing committee to > come up with a proposal for getting everyone there rather than where it > has been before. > > Now, that should include other practical things like Visas I agree, but > that wasn't as much fun to write in a slogan :) This is pretty much what I tried to say when I said for example Morocco would make for a good bid, because it has the closeness advantage of most European locations. Anyway, I suggest people go back to writing bids, or hacking, and trust their board's judgment and common sense. Note that all bids will be presented to membership for comment. If someone is interested in writing a bid but is not sure if it's worth the try, I suggest they contact board@, instead of posting here. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 17:36 -0400, Claudio Saavedra wrote: > What I would like to see is proposals to host GUADEC in other places of > the world to be considered. There may be a bias to prefer European > locations because it's more practical, that seems reasonable; but at > some point someone could appear with an amazing proposal at a great > non-european location that would make everyone say "wow.. we have to do > it there!". I currently don't like the fact that no one can even > consider working in such a proposal. I agree with this. I guess I would like the official foundation policy on this to be: "It's cheaper to hold it in Europe, but if you've got a great location and tons of funding, we're willing to have it anywhere." Limit the location based on the ability of the organizing committee to come up with a proposal for getting everyone there rather than where it has been before. Now, that should include other practical things like Visas I agree, but that wasn't as much fun to write in a slogan :) --Ted signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
I might suggest that this is a completely unproductive discussion that should go off-list until someone actually has a solid proposal on the table from a politically/morally/ethically/whatever-ly questionable regime. We've all got better things to do than to rehash potentially important but utterly predictable and utterly unoriginal political discussions over and over again. There are many other places on the internet for that. Luis On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Ali Sabil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/23/08, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a > > profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important. > > That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime* > > credibility it does not deserve. > > > Wouldn't you be just spreading some kind of FUD ? What do you know > about the Moroccan (not moroccian) regime and history ? What did the > Moroccan people did to you ? Did you ever think that you should stop > trying to keep the freedom for yourself and start sharing it with > those who may not have it ? > > Maybe should you rethink your "We are the good guys, they are the ugly > guys" kind of mentality ? > > Respectfully, > > -- > Ali > > > > > > > 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok > for > > > > > travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... > That > > > > > said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... > > > > > > > > I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all > > > > about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the > > > > conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what > > > > GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) > > > > > > GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* > > > are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a > > > great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part > > > of this the same as any other one. "Those people have an oppressing > > > regime, ignore them" is not a really compelling idea to me. > > > > > > -- > > > behdad > > > http://behdad.org/ > > > > > > "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little > > > Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > > -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > mvh Björn > > > > ___ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
This thread is getting quite off-topic now. Lets end this particular sub-topic here. I'm sure if there's a Moroccan bid for '10 or '11, the board of the time will consider it on fair grounds. That's all that matters. behdad On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 00:18 +0200, Ali Sabil wrote: > On 4/23/08, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a > > profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important. > > That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime* > > credibility it does not deserve. > > > Wouldn't you be just spreading some kind of FUD ? What do you know > about the Moroccan (not moroccian) regime and history ? What did the > Moroccan people did to you ? Did you ever think that you should stop > trying to keep the freedom for yourself and start sharing it with > those who may not have it ? > > Maybe should you rethink your "We are the good guys, they are the ugly > guys" kind of mentality ? > > Respectfully, > > -- > Ali > > > > > 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok > > for > > > > > travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... > > That > > > > > said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... > > > > > > > > I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all > > > > about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the > > > > conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what > > > > GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) > > > > > > GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* > > > are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a > > > great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part > > > of this the same as any other one. "Those people have an oppressing > > > regime, ignore them" is not a really compelling idea to me. > > > > > > -- > > > behdad > > > http://behdad.org/ > > > > > > "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little > > > Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > > -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > mvh Björn > > > > ___ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > > -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On 4/23/08, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a > profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important. > That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime* > credibility it does not deserve. > Wouldn't you be just spreading some kind of FUD ? What do you know about the Moroccan (not moroccian) regime and history ? What did the Moroccan people did to you ? Did you ever think that you should stop trying to keep the freedom for yourself and start sharing it with those who may not have it ? Maybe should you rethink your "We are the good guys, they are the ugly guys" kind of mentality ? Respectfully, -- Ali > > 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for > > > > travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That > > > > said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... > > > > > > I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all > > > about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the > > > conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what > > > GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) > > > > GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* > > are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a > > great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part > > of this the same as any other one. "Those people have an oppressing > > regime, ignore them" is not a really compelling idea to me. > > > > -- > > behdad > > http://behdad.org/ > > > > "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little > > Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > > > > > > > -- > mvh Björn > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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El mié, 23-04-2008 a las 23:07 +0200, Johannes Schmid escribió: > Hi everyone! > > Sorry, to step into this discussion, but I would really like to point > out that every part of the world may have a gnome conference, even an > important or *the* GNOME conference. But why can we keep GUADEC the > "european" conference? > > If you want to do a GUAD*C at any other place of the world, I am fully > ok with that but let's keep one GNOME conference in europe as there is a > huge community there. hm... things I don't understand: - GUADEC must stay in Europe, but it's publicized as "*The* GNOME Conference". - GUADEC location is decided by the GNOME Foundation Board. AFAIK, no other regional conference has such an involvement from the board. - etc. So, considering the importance of GUADEC for the project, I don't believe it's fair for the rest of the world to say that GUADEC should stay in Europe forever, even with all the practical advantages this has. What I would like to see is proposals to host GUADEC in other places of the world to be considered. There may be a bias to prefer European locations because it's more practical, that seems reasonable; but at some point someone could appear with an amazing proposal at a great non-european location that would make everyone say "wow.. we have to do it there!". I currently don't like the fact that no one can even consider working in such a proposal. And let's face it, we'll have this discussion each year, again and again. Let GUADEC evolve :-) Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> Sorry, to step into this discussion, but I would really like to point out > that every part of the world may have a gnome conference, even an > important or *the* GNOME conference. But why can we keep GUADEC the > "european" conference? > > If you want to do a GUAD*C at any other place of the world, I am fully ok > with that but let's keep one GNOME conference in europe as there is a huge > community there. 100% agree. This is the principle that underlines my (apparently now noted) "conservatism" on this issue... and why GNOME.conf.au exists. :-) > Nevertheless, we would need some host applications anyway, before we can > discuss the place further. Ahoy! Get those applications in, mateys! - Jeff -- OSCON 2008: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ "You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills." - Napoleon Dynamite ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Hi everyone! Sorry, to step into this discussion, but I would really like to point out that every part of the world may have a gnome conference, even an important or *the* GNOME conference. But why can we keep GUADEC the "european" conference? If you want to do a GUAD*C at any other place of the world, I am fully ok with that but let's keep one GNOME conference in europe as there is a huge community there. Nevertheless, we would need some host applications anyway, before we can discuss the place further. Thanks, Johannes signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 22:20 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a > profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important. > That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime* > credibility it does not deserve. Not sure who you mean when you say "we". I don't agree with your last sentence, no. > 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for > > > > travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That > > > > said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... > > > > > > I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all > > > about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the > > > conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what > > > GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) > > > > GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* > > are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a > > great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part > > of this the same as any other one. "Those people have an oppressing > > regime, ignore them" is not a really compelling idea to me. > > > > -- > > behdad > > http://behdad.org/ > > > > "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little > > Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > > > > > -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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I fully agree. We think that the actions of the gnome foundation has a profound impact on the world, that the choice of venue is important. That holding the conference in morocco lends the moroccian *regime* credibility it does not deserve. 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for > > > travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That > > > said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... > > > > I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all > > about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the > > conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what > > GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) > > GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* > are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a > great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part > of this the same as any other one. "Those people have an oppressing > regime, ignore them" is not a really compelling idea to me. > > -- > behdad > http://behdad.org/ > > "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little > Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: >> About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for >> travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That >> said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... > > I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all > about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the > conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what > GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) > Hello, May I ask you to give more details about the following claims: 1) "Morocco is all about taking away those freedoms" You may have more freedoms than what a Moroccan person has, but did any Moroccan try to take away your freedom ? Maybe should you think about sharing the freedom you got with people who didn't have the chance to have it or understand it ? 2) "Burning summer heat" This one made me smile :) Actually I think it would be really awesome to hold the Guadec '10 or '11 in Morocco. Thank you, -- Ali Sabil ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Originally coming from a country that definitely fits that bill too, I don't appreciate being exclusive to people based on their government. I agree, in a theoretical sense, but that isn't the issue here. Moreover, where do you set the limit? What about China for example? China is the epitome of a country to avoid. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:46 -0400, Valek Filippov wrote: > > LGM-2 in Montreal seems to be another good example. Don't get me wrong. Canada is a really nice place to have conferences. But it's more effective when you have a large body coming from the US and the rest from Europe. Not when you have your largest body in Europe, and the rest coming from all over the place... Given that we on the board like to pursue the joint GUADEC+Akademy option this year, I wouldn't recommend working on a Canada bid for GUADEC this year anyway. But GNOME presence in Canada definitely needs a boost and that's something to work on, yes. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> If there is not a strong KDE or Gnome community here, maybe we need > to fix that by having a conference? That's exactly what I think! LGM-2 in Montreal seems to be another good example. -- Cheers, Valek ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 23:33 -0400, Clare So wrote: [...] > I agree with you, Behdad. There is no point in pushing for Canada. When we had a W3C advisory committee meeting in Montreal in November some 3 years ago it was one of the better attended meetings we'd ever had (we = W3C). There is usually no snow until December or January in southern Ontario and Quebec at least, I don't know about the other provinces as well. Canada is also easy to get to, and does not have the US Visa requirements. If there is not a strong KDE or Gnome community here, maybe we need to fix that by having a conference? Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> Amsterdam > Frankfurt > Paris > Brussels > Geneva > Milan > > All major cities, major travel hubs in Europe, easy to get to, with many > university options. > > Anyone in any of these places feel tempted? Except Brussels, these cities have a good chance to be considered by the KDE community. Checking aKademy's website, aKademy has been taken place in Ireland, Scotland, Czech Republic, Spain and Germany in the past. aKademy 2008 will be in Belgium. Not many people would like to repeat cities unless there is a very good reason. Major cities in Europe are easily accessible from North America, too. Some reasonably-priced direct flight options exist. (Of course, it would not be as cheap as flying ryanair...) Clare ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> As for me, the reason not pushing for Canada is that a GNOME community > in Canada is surprisingly non-existent. Sure, there's you, me, and > desrt. But that's pretty much it. Not that it changes anything, but I'm in Ottawa... - Mike ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 22:57 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* > are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? > > I think the Moroccan *people* are not the issue. > > "Those people have an oppressing > regime, ignore them" is not a really compelling idea to me. > > If the purpose of holding GUADEC in any given place were paying > attention to the people who live there, that would be a valid > response. However, the purpose of GUADEC is for GNOME developers to > meet. I don't think that the response relates to that. One of the deciding factors when considering GUADEC bids is that which user community can better use a boost. So, I wouldn't say that paying attention to local people is not one of the goals of GUADEC. > Political endorsement of the government of the country where GUADEC is > held is not its purpose either, and I would not suggest choosing the > place to hold it by comparing the laws or policies of various European > countries. (Thanks to the EU, they are all bad in the areas that most > directly relate to us.) > > But there are some situations where you cannot ignore politics. > Recall how people ridiculed the holding of the WSIS conference in > Tunisia, a country that imprisons people for what they say on the > Internet. Morocco may be a similar case -- I am not sure. Originally coming from a country that definitely fits that bill too, I don't appreciate being exclusive to people based on their government. Moreover, where do you set the limit? What about China for example? We are having a GNOME.Asia Summit there this year... Did boycotting ever solved any problem BTW? -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> Where in the world with the highest concentration of GNOME and KDE > community? This thread has so far been considering the GNOME community > only. Both communities have their strongest presence in Europe. - Jeff -- GUADEC 2008: Istanbul, Turkey http://www.guadec.org/ "Everyone says they like Free Software - not everyone is ready to make the tough choices to make it happen." - Maciej Stachowiak ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 23:33 -0400, Clare So wrote: > > Where in the world with the highest concentration of GNOME and KDE > community? This thread has so far been considering the GNOME > community only. KDE is even more Euro-centric -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> As for me, the reason not pushing for Canada is that a GNOME community > in Canada is surprisingly non-existent. Sure, there's you, me, and > desrt. But that's pretty much it. Is there anyone from Western Canada? You, me, desrt and Hub are living in the Eastern part of the country. I agree with you, Behdad. There is no point in pushing for Canada. Other than the size of the community, another important factor is the weather. The winter here would be too shocking for a lot of people. (7-feet snowbank, -25C in the night, 10cm of new snow in a day ... just to name a few. But hey, great for skiing, snowboarding or skating!) Where in the world with the highest concentration of GNOME and KDE community? This thread has so far been considering the GNOME community only. Just my 2 cents. Clare ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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- US visa. It's a real issue. It's not a predictable and fast process like most European countries are. It literally takes months to get a US visa for those of us that need one. And many people going to GUADEC need one. I think it would be a good thing for GNOME to make a prominent statement about this. Every organization running an event should think about this, but I suspect most of them don't. The more we spread the word, the more they will pay attention. Eventually the Bush Regime may feel the pressure. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? I think the Moroccan *people* are not the issue. "Those people have an oppressing regime, ignore them" is not a really compelling idea to me. If the purpose of holding GUADEC in any given place were paying attention to the people who live there, that would be a valid response. However, the purpose of GUADEC is for GNOME developers to meet. I don't think that the response relates to that. Political endorsement of the government of the country where GUADEC is held is not its purpose either, and I would not suggest choosing the place to hold it by comparing the laws or policies of various European countries. (Thanks to the EU, they are all bad in the areas that most directly relate to us.) But there are some situations where you cannot ignore politics. Recall how people ridiculed the holding of the WSIS conference in Tunisia, a country that imprisons people for what they say on the Internet. Morocco may be a similar case -- I am not sure. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Germán Poó-Caamaño <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > For what it is worth, we have discussed GUADLAC in previous years (I > > think as far back as 2004, maybe 2003?) but it typically foundered on > > travel costs, which were always unacceptably high for some large group > > (given the continent's large size). In the end regional conferences > > (like FISL or the various gnome.cl get-togethers) seemed more > > reasonable. That said, I agree it would be cool and if people can make > > it happen I'm sure we could get some support for it- I'd love to go. > > The LatinAmerican 'Idol' Tour could helps to factorize the costs. > > If Forum do Gnome (Brazil) is held joint to Latinoware, we will have two > conferences in two weeks. As far as I remember, Diego Escalante was > looking for something similar in Perú. Still is possible to organize > something between to make a more productive trip for invited speakers. To be clear, the problem with GUADLAC wasn't the speakers, it was the audience- getting the large brazilian group to chile, or the large chilean group to brazil, or _ (fill in blank) made a single GUADLAC a problem. I agree that a series of smaller conferences back-to-back would at least make the speakers a better value, but it wouldn't unite the continent in one place, which is a shame :/ Luis ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 18:16 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Bruno Boaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Jonh Wendell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Oh, It would be really, really, amazing! > > > > > > GUADLAC, as Behdad suggested. A GNOME Conference in Americas, with the > > > same structure as GUADEC (aka sponsorship). > > > > > > /me wonders about a huge GNOME crowd here in Brazil... :-) > > > > > > I like this idea, Jonh!!! > > Brazil seems to be one of the countries with most growth in number of > > contributors in recent years (I'm one of them!!!). The same for Chile. > > For what it is worth, we have discussed GUADLAC in previous years (I > think as far back as 2004, maybe 2003?) but it typically foundered on > travel costs, which were always unacceptably high for some large group > (given the continent's large size). In the end regional conferences > (like FISL or the various gnome.cl get-togethers) seemed more > reasonable. That said, I agree it would be cool and if people can make > it happen I'm sure we could get some support for it- I'd love to go. The LatinAmerican 'Idol' Tour could helps to factorize the costs. If Forum do Gnome (Brazil) is held joint to Latinoware, we will have two conferences in two weeks. As far as I remember, Diego Escalante was looking for something similar in Perú. Still is possible to organize something between to make a more productive trip for invited speakers. -- Germán Póo Caamaño Concepción - Chile ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 15:12 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:43 -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:03 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > > > > > Except that we have been advertising it as "GUADEC, The GNOME > > > Conference" for the past couple of years. Maybe we should make that > > > official. > > > > > > About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for > > > travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That > > > said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... > > > > The thing is that so far, having it in Europe makes it more for European > > people given the price of airfare. Note also that Summer is probably the > > worst period to get cheaper travel, so all in all it seems to be made to > > prevent people out of Europe from attending en masse [1]. > > Not true. Travel finances should not be a decision factor for any > regular GNOME contributor. But it is. Including with sponsorship is it currently mean advancing an uncertain amount of money of an uncertain amount of month (like until 2 month after the conference). It may be easy for some, less easy for other. FYI, today flying to Instanbul from the closest major airport (YUL in my case) would cost me $1500. It is likely to be in a similar ball-park for others in North America, at least on the eastern side. Also the price of airfare also impact the involvement of corporate entities that tend to have a somewhat fixed budget for this kind of things, the more is the airfare, the less people are likely to come on these grounds. It is just the reality. The sponsorship mechanism is great but it is not the golden hammer that makes everything go away. Hub ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 23:42 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > An aside: some of my preferred locations for GUADEC would be (planting > ideas in the heads of possible organisers): > > Amsterdam > Frankfurt > Paris > Brussels > Geneva > Milan FYI, Akademy is in Belgium this year. Hub ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Bruno Boaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Jonh Wendell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh, It would be really, really, amazing! > > > > GUADLAC, as Behdad suggested. A GNOME Conference in Americas, with the > > same structure as GUADEC (aka sponsorship). > > > > /me wonders about a huge GNOME crowd here in Brazil... :-) > > > I like this idea, Jonh!!! > Brazil seems to be one of the countries with most growth in number of > contributors in recent years (I'm one of them!!!). The same for Chile. For what it is worth, we have discussed GUADLAC in previous years (I think as far back as 2004, maybe 2003?) but it typically foundered on travel costs, which were always unacceptably high for some large group (given the continent's large size). In the end regional conferences (like FISL or the various gnome.cl get-togethers) seemed more reasonable. That said, I agree it would be cool and if people can make it happen I'm sure we could get some support for it- I'd love to go. Luis ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Jonh Wendell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, It would be really, really, amazing! > > GUADLAC, as Behdad suggested. A GNOME Conference in Americas, with the > same structure as GUADEC (aka sponsorship). > > /me wonders about a huge GNOME crowd here in Brazil... :-) I like this idea, Jonh!!! Brazil seems to be one of the countries with most growth in number of contributors in recent years (I'm one of them!!!). The same for Chile. Cheers!!! brunobol ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Hi, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > For the first time we also invite proposals to hold GUADEC and Akademy, > the KDE community conference, at the same time, in the same location. > Proposals should detail plans for hosting up to 800 attendees, with > separate facilities available for Akademy and GUADEC planned sessions. Can I get away from the "can GUADEC be outside Europe?" discussion for a second to say "Yay! GNOME and KDE agree on getting together in the same place and having conversations!" Now, it's entirely possible that the boards of the respective organisations have organised switchblades and knuckledusters for us to do a Jets vs Sharks thing, but if that's not the case, we're likely to have some nice conversations and collaboration, which is, all things considered, great! An aside: some of my preferred locations for GUADEC would be (planting ideas in the heads of possible organisers): Amsterdam Frankfurt Paris Brussels Geneva Milan All major cities, major travel hubs in Europe, easy to get to, with many university options. Anyone in any of these places feel tempted? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Hey On 4/22/08, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:38 -0400, Adam Schreiber wrote: > > > > > I too would appreciate another North/Central/South America based > > conference if GUADEC can't be moved across the pond occasionally. > > However, I suspect that because the GNOME summit is held in Boston > > every year we will have to make due. > > > Boston Summit can move around. Just come up with proposals for Boston > Summit 2009 before this year's Summit. Send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > It just hit me, if Boston Summit is usually around October and there's the LA tour planned for October, why not merge both ideas? We can have BS (ok, never use that acronym) in -say- Lima, and then some of the hackers can take a plane to -say- Santiago, some guys from Europe could also come and be in the Summit instead of just watching via IRC. Of course this involves having the usual attendees pay an extra fee for the trip, it's still something reasonable to pay under 1000 usd to get a weekend in South America. Also there's a language barrier, but I wouldn't consider it an actual problem, given that people in the Summit is gonna interact mainly between them. What do you think? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Em Ter, 2008-04-22 às 12:13 -0700, Ted Gould escreveu: > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:38 -0400, Adam Schreiber wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:34 PM, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Usa isn't the only country in North America. Maybe Canada or Mexico > > > has less strict rules about visas? It is not hard to imagine that the > > > Americans might feel that it is a little unfair that guadec always is > > > in Europe. Couldn't there be two conferences? > > > > I too would appreciate another North/Central/South America based > > conference if GUADEC can't be moved across the pond occasionally. > > However, I suspect that because the GNOME summit is held in Boston > > every year we will have to make due. > > It seems to me that the Boston Summit should turn into the "Americas > Conference" and leave GUADEC as the "European Conference". While I know > that there are a lot of GNOME Folks in Boston, it would seem that moving > it around the Americas would be reasonable. > > Now all we need is a cleaver acronym for it :) > > --Ted Oh, It would be really, really, amazing! GUADLAC, as Behdad suggested. A GNOME Conference in Americas, with the same structure as GUADEC (aka sponsorship). /me wonders about a huge GNOME crowd here in Brazil... :-) -- Jonh Wendell www.bani.com.br ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 15:43 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 20:34 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > > Usa isn't the only country in North America. Maybe Canada or Mexico > > has less strict rules about visas? It is not hard to imagine that the > > Americans might feel that it is a little unfair that guadec always is > > in Europe. > > This American views it as a great excuse to go to Europe. > I can see Chicago anytime. Istanbul is something special. > And while there are differences between American cities, > it's nowhere near the differences we get between different > European countries. The diversity is awesome. > > I'm not saying this is necessarily a reason to keep it in > Europe. I'm just saying it's why I, in particular, don't > care if GUADEC is ever on my side of the pond. Can't agree more... > -- > Shaun -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 20:34 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > Usa isn't the only country in North America. Maybe Canada or Mexico > has less strict rules about visas? It is not hard to imagine that the > Americans might feel that it is a little unfair that guadec always is > in Europe. This American views it as a great excuse to go to Europe. I can see Chicago anytime. Istanbul is something special. And while there are differences between American cities, it's nowhere near the differences we get between different European countries. The diversity is awesome. I'm not saying this is necessarily a reason to keep it in Europe. I'm just saying it's why I, in particular, don't care if GUADEC is ever on my side of the pond. -- Shaun ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 22:42 +0300, Quim Gil wrote: > Cool! > > Proposed location for the first joint GUADEC/aKademy: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_Center_of_the_Earth ;) > > (Alternative, sunny locations come to mind though) /me suggests that foundation hire Quim to do GUADEC's in Spain year after year... Oh, with Akademy. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Cool! Proposed location for the first joint GUADEC/aKademy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_Center_of_the_Earth ;) (Alternative, sunny locations come to mind though) On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Hubert Figuiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Note also that Summer is probably the > worst period to get cheaper travel, so all in all it seems to be made to > prevent people out of Europe from attending en masse. Note also that Summer is probably the best period to get one week off for students, and also for professionals. There are other possible gaps in the calendar (Christmas, Easter) but you would get the same high season prices. -- Quim Gil /// http://flors.wordpress.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Ted Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:38 -0400, Adam Schreiber wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:34 PM, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Usa isn't the only country in North America. Maybe Canada or Mexico > > > has less strict rules about visas? It is not hard to imagine that the > > > Americans might feel that it is a little unfair that guadec always is > > > in Europe. Couldn't there be two conferences? > > > > I too would appreciate another North/Central/South America based > > conference if GUADEC can't be moved across the pond occasionally. > > However, I suspect that because the GNOME summit is held in Boston > > every year we will have to make due. > > It seems to me that the Boston Summit should turn into the "Americas > Conference" and leave GUADEC as the "European Conference". While I know > that there are a lot of GNOME Folks in Boston, it would seem that moving > it around the Americas would be reasonable. > > Now all we need is a cleaver acronym for it :) But what if most of your regular collaborators are on the other side of the pond? GNOME is a global project, and developers are not organized into projects by geographic location. I think there's a big benefit to having one 'official' conference where you know most GNOME hackers will be attending. Having additional local sub-conferences is great as well, but I don't see the benefit of having several competing 'main' conferences. -- jonner ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:38 -0400, Adam Schreiber wrote: > > I too would appreciate another North/Central/South America based > conference if GUADEC can't be moved across the pond occasionally. > However, I suspect that because the GNOME summit is held in Boston > every year we will have to make due. Boston Summit can move around. Just come up with proposals for Boston Summit 2009 before this year's Summit. Send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 19:03 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for > > travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That > > said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... > > I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all > about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the > conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what > GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? We think we in GNOME have a great thing to offer, and any person on this planet deserves being part of this the same as any other one. "Those people have an oppressing regime, ignore them" is not a really compelling idea to me. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:38 -0400, Adam Schreiber wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:34 PM, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Usa isn't the only country in North America. Maybe Canada or Mexico > > has less strict rules about visas? It is not hard to imagine that the > > Americans might feel that it is a little unfair that guadec always is > > in Europe. Couldn't there be two conferences? > > I too would appreciate another North/Central/South America based > conference if GUADEC can't be moved across the pond occasionally. > However, I suspect that because the GNOME summit is held in Boston > every year we will have to make due. It seems to me that the Boston Summit should turn into the "Americas Conference" and leave GUADEC as the "European Conference". While I know that there are a lot of GNOME Folks in Boston, it would seem that moving it around the Americas would be reasonable. Now all we need is a cleaver acronym for it :) --Ted signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:43 -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote: > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:03 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > > > Except that we have been advertising it as "GUADEC, The GNOME > > Conference" for the past couple of years. Maybe we should make that > > official. > > > > About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for > > travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That > > said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... > > The thing is that so far, having it in Europe makes it more for European > people given the price of airfare. Note also that Summer is probably the > worst period to get cheaper travel, so all in all it seems to be made to > prevent people out of Europe from attending en masse [1]. Not true. Travel finances should not be a decision factor for any regular GNOME contributor. A big bulk of GUADEC money is spent on sponsorship, and the truth is that if the regular contributors don't apply for it, people will end up getting the money that don't have much to do with GNOME other than wanting to go to a week of paid-for vacation... > Given that a choice has to be made, I think it would be fair to try to > alternate between the various parts of the world. LGM seems to be doing > that. > > Hub > > [1] the total reluctance for prominent members to reject any alternative > just make me thinks that's what it is. If you don't believe me, re-read > this thread and the one from last year when somebody ask "why not > canada". As for me, the reason not pushing for Canada is that a GNOME community in Canada is surprisingly non-existent. Sure, there's you, me, and desrt. But that's pretty much it. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 04:38 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > Americans might feel that it is a little unfair that guadec always > is in > > Europe. Couldn't there be two conferences? > > GUADEC and the Boston Summit. :-) Except that we don't pay for travel to Boston Summit. We are launching GNOME.Asia Summit this year. Would love to see GUADLAC (Latin-American) become a reality too. As for Boston Summit, maybe we should add some sponsorship to it, but it's doing fine at the size it is. My 0.02CAD -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for > travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That > said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... I wouldn't. GNOME is all about creating more freedom, Morocco is all about taking away those freedoms. It would seem weird if the conference was hosted in a country so diametrically opposed to what GNOME stands for. That and the burning summer heat. :) -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:03 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > Except that we have been advertising it as "GUADEC, The GNOME > Conference" for the past couple of years. Maybe we should make that > official. > > About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for > travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That > said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... The thing is that so far, having it in Europe makes it more for European people given the price of airfare. Note also that Summer is probably the worst period to get cheaper travel, so all in all it seems to be made to prevent people out of Europe from attending en masse [1]. Given that a choice has to be made, I think it would be fair to try to alternate between the various parts of the world. LGM seems to be doing that. Hub [1] the total reluctance for prominent members to reject any alternative just make me thinks that's what it is. If you don't believe me, re-read this thread and the one from last year when somebody ask "why not canada". ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Thomas Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's something I think might be useful: > > If we had a list of where everyone attending aKademy and GUADEC will > come from (which might be decently approximated by seeing where they > came from last year), we can then make a list of places: This sounds good, but it doesn't really tell you anything. If you hold a conference in Europe, naturally more europeans will attend because it's easier for them to get there. I've been wanting to attend a GUADEC for several years now, but have not been able to due to time and budget constraints, and I suspect there are quite a few others in the same situation. I'm not saying that this means that GUADEC must be held in north america to accommodate me (I rather like behdad's idea of morrocco, actually), but I don't think it makes any sense to insist that it be held in Europe simply because GUADEC has an E in its name. It may have originally been a european developers meeting, but it has grown into *the* GNOME conference and so it seems reasonable to accommodate some non-europeans every now and then. -- jonner ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> Americans might feel that it is a little unfair that guadec always is in > Europe. Couldn't there be two conferences? GUADEC and the Boston Summit. :-) - Jeff -- OSCON 2008: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ "Imagine a four million line code base that is based on C++, uses threads, a hundred shared libraries, and is over a gigabyte in size when built and then point a debugger at it that was designed to debug GNU sed." - Chris Blizzard on Mozilla ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:34 PM, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Usa isn't the only country in North America. Maybe Canada or Mexico > has less strict rules about visas? It is not hard to imagine that the > Americans might feel that it is a little unfair that guadec always is > in Europe. Couldn't there be two conferences? I too would appreciate another North/Central/South America based conference if GUADEC can't be moved across the pond occasionally. However, I suspect that because the GNOME summit is held in Boston every year we will have to make due. Cheers, Adam > > 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:17 -0400, Og Maciel wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > > > As I'd love to see GUADEC (as well as Akademy) being hosted in North > > > Carolina, and as this is not an official bid, I was wondering if there > > > is anyone interested in helping/coaching me? I don't have any > > > experience with this kind of activity, but I do know a lot of people > > > and we have big companies around the area such as Red Hat, IBM, rPath > > > as well as most of the Foresight Linux developers. > > > > > > Anyone want to adopt me? > > > > Hi Og, > > > > There are two main issues with having GUADEC in the US: > > > > - The Big Pond. It's just more travel to fly everyone to the US. > > > > - US visa. It's a real issue. It's not a predictable and fast > > process like most European countries are. It literally takes months to > > get a US visa for those of us that need one. And many people going to > > GUADEC need one. > > > > For those reasons, I don't think having GUADEC in the US is practical as > > of now. Things of course may change in the future. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- > > behdad > > http://behdad.org/ > > > > "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little > > Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > > > ___ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > > > > > -- > mvh Björn > > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Usa isn't the only country in North America. Maybe Canada or Mexico has less strict rules about visas? It is not hard to imagine that the Americans might feel that it is a little unfair that guadec always is in Europe. Couldn't there be two conferences? 2008/4/22, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:17 -0400, Og Maciel wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > As I'd love to see GUADEC (as well as Akademy) being hosted in North > > Carolina, and as this is not an official bid, I was wondering if there > > is anyone interested in helping/coaching me? I don't have any > > experience with this kind of activity, but I do know a lot of people > > and we have big companies around the area such as Red Hat, IBM, rPath > > as well as most of the Foresight Linux developers. > > > > Anyone want to adopt me? > > Hi Og, > > There are two main issues with having GUADEC in the US: > > - The Big Pond. It's just more travel to fly everyone to the US. > > - US visa. It's a real issue. It's not a predictable and fast > process like most European countries are. It literally takes months to > get a US visa for those of us that need one. And many people going to > GUADEC need one. > > For those reasons, I don't think having GUADEC in the US is practical as > of now. Things of course may change in the future. > > Cheers, > > -- > behdad > http://behdad.org/ > > "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little > Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 03:41 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > Is the rule about having GUADEC in Europe rather than, say, in > Bangalore > > still in play, by the way? > > The 'E' still stands for Europe, yeah. ;-) Except that we have been advertising it as "GUADEC, The GNOME Conference" for the past couple of years. Maybe we should make that official. About GUADEC out of Europe, that's fine as long as the place is Ok for travel. Bangalore has the same problem that US has. Too far... That said, I love to see GUADEC '11 in Morocco for example... > - Jeff -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> > > > Is the rule about having GUADEC in Europe rather than, say, in Bangalore > > still in play, by the way? > > The 'E' still stands for Europe, yeah. ;-) Aha, was this more in reference to the text of the CfH? In that case, it's a minor disconnect between norms of each organisation and conference, not well expressed in the CfH (I don't think anyone noticed it). Speaking only for myself, not for either organisation involved in the CfH... It would take a lot to convince me that we should hold GUADEC outside Europe even if we had a neat GUADEC+Akademy proposal for somewhere else. And I say that as someone who is not particularly close to Europe (let alone anywhere else on the planet I guess). ;-) - Jeff -- GUADEC 2008: Istanbul, Turkey http://www.guadec.org/ "You know, it's not that unusual, even in Hollywood, for brothers to work together. Heard of the Warner brothers?" - Ethan Coen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> Is the rule about having GUADEC in Europe rather than, say, in Bangalore > still in play, by the way? The 'E' still stands for Europe, yeah. ;-) - Jeff -- GUADEC 2008: Istanbul, Turkey http://www.guadec.org/ "The two [separate] UIs are both incredibly simple and don't even look like computer programs; they barely need menus. [When combined, they] suddenly look like software." - Havoc Pennington on 'software' design ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Hi Behdad, Thanks for the quick reply. > - US visa. It's a real issue. It's not a predictable and fast > process like most European countries are. It literally takes months to > get a US visa for those of us that need one. And many people going to > GUADEC need one. Unfortunately you're absolutely correct about this. :/ Will follow this thread with much interest... Cheers, -- Og B. Maciel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 01:24:06PM -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > There are two main issues with having GUADEC in the US: > > - The Big Pond. It's just more travel to fly everyone to the US. > > - US visa. It's a real issue. It's not a predictable and fast > process like most European countries are. It literally takes months to > get a US visa for those of us that need one. And many people going to > GUADEC need one. > > For those reasons, I don't think having GUADEC in the US is practical as > of now. Things of course may change in the future. Here's something I think might be useful: If we had a list of where everyone attending aKademy and GUADEC will come from (which might be decently approximated by seeing where they came from last year), we can then make a list of places: * which are closest to each one, and * which don't require onerous visa applications for each one. For example, if we find that most attenders are within the Schengen area, obviously it makes most sense to want to have the conference within the Schengen area too. Is the rule about having GUADEC in Europe rather than, say, in Bangalore still in play, by the way? T -- Thomas Thurman, tthurman at gnome, http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman In Narrow Corridor ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:17 -0400, Og Maciel wrote: > Hi there, > > As I'd love to see GUADEC (as well as Akademy) being hosted in North > Carolina, and as this is not an official bid, I was wondering if there > is anyone interested in helping/coaching me? I don't have any > experience with this kind of activity, but I do know a lot of people > and we have big companies around the area such as Red Hat, IBM, rPath > as well as most of the Foresight Linux developers. > > Anyone want to adopt me? Hi Og, There are two main issues with having GUADEC in the US: - The Big Pond. It's just more travel to fly everyone to the US. - US visa. It's a real issue. It's not a predictable and fast process like most European countries are. It literally takes months to get a US visa for those of us that need one. And many people going to GUADEC need one. For those reasons, I don't think having GUADEC in the US is practical as of now. Things of course may change in the future. Cheers, -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Hi there, As I'd love to see GUADEC (as well as Akademy) being hosted in North Carolina, and as this is not an official bid, I was wondering if there is anyone interested in helping/coaching me? I don't have any experience with this kind of activity, but I do know a lot of people and we have big companies around the area such as Red Hat, IBM, rPath as well as most of the Foresight Linux developers. Anyone want to adopt me? -- Og B. Maciel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009 == The GNOME Foundation invites proposals to host GUADEC, the annual GNOME conference, during the Summer of 2009. GUADEC is the biggest gathering of GNOME users and developers and includes a three-day conference, the annual general meeting of the members of the GNOME Foundation, and a week of coding, meeting, and discussing. For the first time we also invite proposals to hold GUADEC and Akademy, the KDE community conference, at the same time, in the same location. Proposals should detail plans for hosting up to 800 attendees, with separate facilities available for Akademy and GUADEC planned sessions. The conferences should be held independently, in the same location, with facilities available for joint sessions of interest to both communities. A co-hosted event would constitute one of the largest events on the planet dedicated to free software on the desktop. Proposals for GUADEC-only should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], proposals for a co-hosted event should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well. Deadline for proposals is June 15th. Key points which proposals should consider, and which will be taken into account when deciding among candidates, are: * Local community support for hosting the conference * The availability and cost of travel from major European cities * The availability of sufficient low-cost accommodation * The budget for infrastructure and facilities required to hold the conference * The availability of restaurants or the organization of catering on-site * Local industry and government support Check out the call-for-bids and the bids from previous GUADECs for more information. Or just contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] The conference will require availability of facilities for one week, including a weekend, during Summer. Dates should avoid other key free software conferences. A few words of advice: organizing a conference of this size is hard work, but there are many people in the community with experience who will be there to help you. Bear in mind that people coming to these conferences do so primarily to meet up with old friends and have fun, and so the hallway track and social activities are very important. Behdad Esfahbod Director, GNOME Foundation ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
