Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
On 08/01/2012 04:02 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: Em Mon, 2012-07-30 às 11:55 +0200, Alexandre Franke escreveu: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Johannes Schmid wrote: I don't use RSS. I am browsing this pages from work where I am not allowed to install software and I don't wanna use Google Reader (because I don't have any google account apart from GSoC). I like to be able to access plain webpages and that's basically where you catch people. If they are interested they *might* use RSS at some point but they won't discover stuff with RSS. Ok, so what about having n.g.o merged onto planet, but: * we keep the feeds separate so that people can choose to subscribe to either project news or hacker news or both * as Vincent said, we make them visually separated Or maybe we could stop bikeshedding and let the marketing team do what they feel is necessary for news.gnome.org and planet.gnome.org to reach their respective audiences. Which is what I recommended at the beginning of this thread :) Ok, fresh thread on marketing-list opened. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2012-August/msg1.html Everyone interested are welcome to participate in the discussion. - Andreas ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Em Mon, 2012-07-30 às 11:55 +0200, Alexandre Franke escreveu: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Johannes Schmid wrote: > > I don't use RSS. I am browsing this pages from work where I am not > > allowed to install software and I don't wanna use Google Reader (because > > I don't have any google account apart from GSoC). I like to be able to > > access plain webpages and that's basically where you catch people. If > > they are interested they *might* use RSS at some point but they won't > > discover stuff with RSS. > > Ok, so what about having n.g.o merged onto planet, but: > * we keep the feeds separate so that people can choose to subscribe to > either project news or hacker news or both > * as Vincent said, we make them visually separated Or maybe we could stop bikeshedding and let the marketing team do what they feel is necessary for news.gnome.org and planet.gnome.org to reach their respective audiences. Which is what I recommended at the beginning of this thread :) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
El dl 30 de 07 de 2012 a les 12:20 +0200, en/na Alexandre Franke va escriure: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Johannes Schmid wrote: > > I was *never* proposing that > > Well *I* am. :-) > > > - I just wanted commit-digest as single > > exception, maybe visually separated. The rest of news.gnome.org is not > > that interesting to be on the planet. > > It seems a bit unfair to me to say that the rest of n.g.o isn't as > worthy of the reader's attention as the things we would have on > Planet. As I said earlier, it's not very high volume, so why not have > it with the rest? As you said we've been trying to make it more > visible for years. Maybe this is the solution? > Just to throw more opinions... Why not just create a digest from news.g.o that is sent every week or so on planet.g.o? With just the headlines that have been sent to news.g.o in a single entry? That way is just one entry per week on p.g.o but you still are able to see what has happened on n.g.o quickly, and you can also pass over it easily as is one entry only, not 10 or so. Cheers, -- Gil Forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net planet: http://planet.guifi.net ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
El dl 30 de 07 de 2012 a les 12:20 +0200, en/na Alexandre Franke va escriure: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Johannes Schmid wrote: > > I was *never* proposing that > > Well *I* am. :-) > > > - I just wanted commit-digest as single > > exception, maybe visually separated. The rest of news.gnome.org is not > > that interesting to be on the planet. > > It seems a bit unfair to me to say that the rest of n.g.o isn't as > worthy of the reader's attention as the things we would have on > Planet. As I said earlier, it's not very high volume, so why not have > it with the rest? As you said we've been trying to make it more > visible for years. Maybe this is the solution? > Just to throw more opinions... Why not just create a digest from news.g.o that is sent every week or so on planet.g.o? With just the headlines that have been sent to news.g.o in a single entry? That way is just one entry per week on p.g.o but you still are able to see what has happened on n.g.o quickly, and you can also pass over it easily as is one entry only, not 10 or so. Cheers, -- Gil Forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net planet: http://planet.guifi.net ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Johannes Schmid a écrit: >> Why do you check the website at all? RSS solves that problem and n.g.o >> is not what could be called noisy. I'm not saying that doing so is a >> bad thing, I'm just trying to understand the way you do it. > > I don't use RSS. I am browsing this pages from work where I am not > allowed to install software and I don't wanna use Google Reader (because > I don't have any google account apart from GSoC). I think I am on the same page. I don't want to use Google Reader and I find RSS Readers to be as clunky as it could possible be. So I use rss2email. I sends me my RSS feeds as email. Thus just read my RSS in my normal email. Bonus point, I can sort them using the solid my email filters I have in place already. I your email workflow is streamlined, so should your rss' be. I hope this helps. -- Dodji ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Johannes Schmid wrote: > I was *never* proposing that Well *I* am. :-) > - I just wanted commit-digest as single > exception, maybe visually separated. The rest of news.gnome.org is not > that interesting to be on the planet. It seems a bit unfair to me to say that the rest of n.g.o isn't as worthy of the reader's attention as the things we would have on Planet. As I said earlier, it's not very high volume, so why not have it with the rest? As you said we've been trying to make it more visible for years. Maybe this is the solution? -- Alexandre Franke ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Hi! > Ok, so what about having n.g.o merged onto planet, but: > * we keep the feeds separate so that people can choose to subscribe to > either project news or hacker news or both > * as Vincent said, we make them visually separated I was *never* proposing that - I just wanted commit-digest as single exception, maybe visually separated. The rest of news.gnome.org is not that interesting to be on the planet. Johannes signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Johannes Schmid wrote: > I don't use RSS. I am browsing this pages from work where I am not > allowed to install software and I don't wanna use Google Reader (because > I don't have any google account apart from GSoC). I like to be able to > access plain webpages and that's basically where you catch people. If > they are interested they *might* use RSS at some point but they won't > discover stuff with RSS. Ok, so what about having n.g.o merged onto planet, but: * we keep the feeds separate so that people can choose to subscribe to either project news or hacker news or both * as Vincent said, we make them visually separated -- Alexandre Franke ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Hi! > Why do you check the website at all? RSS solves that problem and n.g.o > is not what could be called noisy. I'm not saying that doing so is a > bad thing, I'm just trying to understand the way you do it. I don't use RSS. I am browsing this pages from work where I am not allowed to install software and I don't wanna use Google Reader (because I don't have any google account apart from GSoC). I like to be able to access plain webpages and that's basically where you catch people. If they are interested they *might* use RSS at some point but they won't discover stuff with RSS. Regards, Johannes signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Johannes Schmid wrote: > We tried that for five (or more?) years now without success and I hope > at some point people realize that it doesn't work. I was one of the > people that used to read n.g.o but at some point I am just missing the > time to check yet another website. Why do you check the website at all? RSS solves that problem and n.g.o is not what could be called noisy. I'm not saying that doing so is a bad thing, I'm just trying to understand the way you do it. -- Alexandre Franke ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Hi! > Some people expressed another opinion which I agree with: > news.gnome.org is the right place for this and if the problem is that > people don't read it, then maybe we should rather work on making it > more appealing and advertise it more. We tried that for five (or more?) years now without success and I hope at some point people realize that it doesn't work. I was one of the people that used to read n.g.o but at some point I am just missing the time to check yet another website. Regards, Johannes signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
O Dom, 29-07-2012 ás 15:41 +0100, Alberto Ruiz escribiu: > Maybe we can just forward peoeple to GNOME Memes through the official > GNOME twitter account and/or G+... I think this needs a bit more > discussion and thought. Yeah, I was talking to Alberto that that was my opinion too. I think GNOME Memes is perfect for the twitter account, but I don't think it's a good idea for PGO. Br. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > However, it seems to me that there is a broad consensus that one way or the > other Commit Digests should go in, am I right? Some people expressed another opinion which I agree with: news.gnome.org is the right place for this and if the problem is that people don't read it, then maybe we should rather work on making it more appealing and advertise it more. -- Alexandre Franke ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
On 07/29/2012 06:00 PM, Johannes Schmid wrote: if we lost the talent for a laugh As an avid planet reader I was very surprised to see the memes appearing and... didn't find them funny at all, or even relevant to the GNOME planet which as stated "is a window into the world, work and lives of GNOME hackers and contributors." Now we probably all have different kind of humor and it's going to be difficult to amuse everyone ;-) Fred ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Em Sun, 2012-07-29 às 15:41 +0100, Alberto Ruiz escreveu: > Maybe we can just forward peoeple to GNOME Memes through the official > GNOME twitter account and/or G+... I think this needs a bit more > discussion and thought. > > However, it seems to me that there is a broad consensus that one way > or the other Commit Digests should go in, am I right? From my side, I'd say "ask the marketing team". I guess they'd come to similar conclusions. Cheers ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Maybe we can just forward peoeple to GNOME Memes through the official GNOME twitter account and/or G+... I think this needs a bit more discussion and thought. However, it seems to me that there is a broad consensus that one way or the other Commit Digests should go in, am I right? 2012/7/29 Emmanuele Bassi > hi; > > On 29 July 2012 11:45, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > "I'm of the opinion" pretty much covers my answer :) The point of > deferring is that I would defer. If the marketing team thinks that GNOME > memes is interesting, then so be it. I don't see it being kept up long term. > > I agree; submissions would keep GNOME Memes alive, but I'm not so sure > it should be added to PGO; it's easy enough to get to, and I like the > fact that it's slightly on the outside of the usual venues of > information. > > ciao, > Emmanuele. > > -- > W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name > B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi/ > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
hi; On 29 July 2012 11:45, Bastien Nocera wrote: > "I'm of the opinion" pretty much covers my answer :) The point of deferring > is that I would defer. If the marketing team thinks that GNOME memes is > interesting, then so be it. I don't see it being kept up long term. I agree; submissions would keep GNOME Memes alive, but I'm not so sure it should be added to PGO; it's easy enough to get to, and I like the fact that it's slightly on the outside of the usual venues of information. ciao, Emmanuele. -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
On 29 Jul 2012, at 12:00, Johannes Schmid wrote: > Hi Bastien! > >> I was of the opinion that Alberto (the p.g.o editor) should be working >> with the marketing team to make sure that blogs relevant to following >> the development of GNOME get added to p.g.o. That would mean yes to >> commit-digest and no to gnome-memes. > > Is the last sentence the official opinion of the marketing team and has > it been discussed (somewhere)? I am missing arguments here...I feel the > gnome-memes is highly relevant because if we lost the talent for a laugh > on our work we are basically screwed. "I'm of the opinion" pretty much covers my answer :) The point of deferring is that I would defer. If the marketing team thinks that GNOME memes is interesting, then so be it. I don't see it being kept up long term. Cheers > Regards, > Johannes ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Le dimanche 29 juillet 2012, à 11:23 +0200, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > I was of the opinion that Alberto (the p.g.o editor) should be working > with the marketing team to make sure that blogs relevant to following > the development of GNOME get added to p.g.o. That would mean yes to > commit-digest and no to gnome-memes. If we add those feeds, I think it'd be nice to style them a little bit differently on pgo so that it's obvious that they're not personal blogs. This is useful for people who'll want to skim over pgo and only read those news. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Hi Bastien! > I was of the opinion that Alberto (the p.g.o editor) should be working > with the marketing team to make sure that blogs relevant to following > the development of GNOME get added to p.g.o. That would mean yes to > commit-digest and no to gnome-memes. Is the last sentence the official opinion of the marketing team and has it been discussed (somewhere)? I am missing arguments here...I feel the gnome-memes is highly relevant because if we lost the talent for a laugh on our work we are basically screwed. Regards, Johannes signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Hello, Em Sat, 2012-07-28 às 12:05 +0200, Johannes Schmid escreveu: > Hi all! > > You all know that the Foundation (Board) set policies on > planet.gnome.org (only foundation members, only real persons, etc.) > which is in general fine while the editors still have the final word in > inclusion. > > However, could we vote on the following during AGM meeting (which does > not impact the editors final word...): > > "The Foundation adds two (and only these two) exceptions to the p.g.o > policies: > * commit-digest > * gnome-memes" As the people on the list that might not have been present at the AGM didn't get an update. We did not vote on this particular item, but chose to discuss it on the mailing-list instead. I was of the opinion that Alberto (the p.g.o editor) should be working with the marketing team to make sure that blogs relevant to following the development of GNOME get added to p.g.o. That would mean yes to commit-digest and no to gnome-memes. Cheers ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
