Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
El jue, 22-03-2007 a las 12:11 +, Alan Cox escribió: Mexico has some claim to be the original home of Gnome... In fact! we want to organize the GUADLAC (GNOME Users And Developers Latin American Conference) the Latin American GUADEC, later this year, it can be the pre-GUADEC in Mexico :) Greetings, Miguel ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 00:01 -0600, Miguel Angel López Hernández wrote: El jue, 22-03-2007 a las 12:11 +, Alan Cox escribió: Mexico has some claim to be the original home of Gnome... In fact! we want to organize the GUADLAC (GNOME Users And Developers Latin American Conference) the Latin American GUADEC, later this year, it can be the pre-GUADEC in Mexico :) Why not just GUADAC? You are suggesting that US and Canada should start their own GUADNAC, are you? Greetings, Miguel -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
quote who=Behdad Esfahbod Why not just GUADAC? You are suggesting that US and Canada should start their own GUADNAC, are you? You guys have the Summit! - Jeff -- Open CeBIT 2007: Sydney, Australia http://www.opencebit.com.au/ 'Cause remember, smug is beautiful. - Zachary Beane ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 02:01 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Where necessary, and in this case I think it is, we should be very clear about GNOME's geopolitical view of the world: North America is not in Europe. - Jeff Hey Jeff, GNOME cannot have a geopolitical view since Gnome is people and we each, well, erhm, perhaps, think a little differently. Now the GNOME foundation probably has to recognize nation states but don't think for a second that means that GNOME does. As for the myth of the continents, that useful fiction to define the others as being from elsewhere and therefore inferior, closer to the animals (not that anything evolved from the animals, no siree!), and generally worthy of conquest, pillage, exploitation, well, perhaps our code of conduct would lead some of us to re-examine the concept and perhaps leave it out of our language. Which leaves this gnomer with the Gnome Users' and Developers' Earth Conference, something that could happen in lots of places ... and lovely if it did, especially in, say, a town of Mediterranean climate with good air, food, and wine, leading to fine discussions, grandiose plans and a great vibe for another year. And if such a thing happened in say Turkey, Lebanon, Mexico, or Cape Verde, who would seriously object? --adrian, who will now throttle his bandwidth, hoping that most have deleted this unread. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
On 3/23/07, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 15:14 +0200, Baris Cicek wrote: I'll talk w/ our local GUG about if we can organize to host GUADEC next year in Istanbul. Please, yes. Please, no. Not until I can come. Istanbul 2010! ;) Luis (seriously, Istanbul would rock.) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
What about Malta? Cypress? sri On 3/22/07, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 10:37 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Does that mean that candidates outside the EU would be considered? Not sure - we would need to discuss it. But one thing is for sure - the travel costs for attendees is something which will definitely be taken into account, and in general that will exclude anything outside North America and Europe. /me fancies a GUADEC in Dubai. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-announce mailing list foundation-announce@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-announce -- -- Sriram Ramkrishna ([EMAIL PROTECTED](()aracnet.com) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
I'm only on foundation-announce, not on foundation-list, but yet I get this discussion about GUADEC 2008. Can you please make the announcement list moderated so all these follow-up postings don't get distributed to everyone. Thanks. Example: * Christian F.K. Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-23 11:29]: I think we should in general encourage people who think they are located in a place that make it feasible for people in west Europe and the US ___ foundation-announce mailing list foundation-announce@gnome.org ^^ http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-announce -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
On 3/23/07, Baris Cicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 11:29 +0100, Christian F.K. Schaller wrote: I think we should in general encourage people who think they are located in a place that make it feasible for people in west Europe and the US to go there to apply to host GUADEC. Even if they are not in Europe per se. For instance I it struck me that Morocco could be a good alternative when I was there, as its cheap in terms of food and lodging, yet reasonably well connected with cheap flights (EasyJet flies to Marrakesh from both London and Madrid for example). I am sure places like Egypt, Israel, non-European parts of Turkey and Russia have similar setups. Of course even within 'Europe' we have kept things quite far to the west so far so there is for sure opportunities for a spread of applicants even with that constraint in place. I'll talk w/ our local GUG about if we can organize to host GUADEC next year in Istanbul. I'm all for Istanbul! Zaheer ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 07:04 -0700, Elliot Lee wrote: Baris Cicek wrote: I'll talk w/ our local GUG about if we can organize to host GUADEC next year in Istanbul. Not Constantinople? It was called Constantinople ages ago, afaik, but however you call it, as long as we point same land place, some languages still uses Constantinople name I guess. Though officially this city is called Istanbul as one of most beautiful cities in the World. (even though lots of corruption due to migration). Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul -- Elliot Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
On 3/24/07, Baris Cicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 07:04 -0700, Elliot Lee wrote: Baris Cicek wrote: I'll talk w/ our local GUG about if we can organize to host GUADEC next year in Istanbul. Not Constantinople? It was called Constantinople ages ago, afaik, but however you call it, as long as we point same land place, some languages still uses Constantinople name I guess. Though officially this city is called Istanbul as one of most beautiful cities in the World. (even though lots of corruption due to migration). I believe Elliot was making a reference to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Not_Constantinople Moral of the story: always footnote your non-cross-cultural jokes ;) Luis ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 20:01 -0700, sri wrote: What about Malta? Cypress? While I don't know where all the membership lives, I do know that Sri is hanging in Portland. Why are so many North Americans (No.mericans) suggesting cities, and why have so many missed the entire European peninsula? This might be an indictment upon geography teachers. I think the No.mericans could drive this conference if enough of them formed a nomadic LUG and migrated to an agreeable destination. Reykjavik is the closest European city to North Americans. It has the largest number of pubs/bars per capita. Lots of hot tubs. It produces more than its fair share of musicians. Faries (magical folk) are protected by law! -- __C U R T I S C. H O V E Y [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guilty of stealing everything I am. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
On 24 Mar 2007, at 14:56, Curtis Hovey wrote: [...] Reykjavik is the closest European city to North Americans. It has the largest number of pubs/bars per capita. Lots of hot tubs. It produces more than its fair share of musicians. Faries (magical folk) are protected by law! Brilliant idea! I just got back from Reykjavik and I did wonder what sort of GNOME community (if any) there was around. I'd love an excuse to go back again. I think it is important for Europeans to have a GNOME conference each year though, so I don't think taking GUADEC out of europe would be a good thing. I don't know why we're so ashamed of the E in GUADEC. Perhaps we should re-emphasize that the E means held in Europe. It certainly doesn't mean non-europeans can't attend and it certainly doesn't mean other continents can't hold their own GUADEC style conferences! Regards, Thomas ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
I think we should in general encourage people who think they are located in a place that make it feasible for people in west Europe and the US to go there to apply to host GUADEC. Even if they are not in Europe per se. For instance I it struck me that Morocco could be a good alternative when I was there, as its cheap in terms of food and lodging, yet reasonably well connected with cheap flights (EasyJet flies to Marrakesh from both London and Madrid for example). I am sure places like Egypt, Israel, non-European parts of Turkey and Russia have similar setups. Of course even within 'Europe' we have kept things quite far to the west so far so there is for sure opportunities for a spread of applicants even with that constraint in place. Christian On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 09:55 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Østergaard wrote: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008 GUADEC is the yearly GNOME Users and Developers European Conference. Does that automatically exclude those outside EU from sending proposals ? :Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGAgUgXQZpNTcrCzMRAiSpAJ9xk0fSv+cjrYjXMdNAQUMe7X+DVgCggLwA u1BMR2UYThx1RnYeSh7V6Bs= =hCGB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
Well, I would love a GUADEC in Morocco, however, I doubt that we had the necessary local group there for organizing it. :( Salu2 On 3/23/07, Christian F.K. Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should in general encourage people who think they are located in a place that make it feasible for people in west Europe and the US to go there to apply to host GUADEC. Even if they are not in Europe per se. For instance I it struck me that Morocco could be a good alternative when I was there, as its cheap in terms of food and lodging, yet reasonably well connected with cheap flights (EasyJet flies to Marrakesh from both London and Madrid for example). I am sure places like Egypt, Israel, non-European parts of Turkey and Russia have similar setups. Of course even within 'Europe' we have kept things quite far to the west so far so there is for sure opportunities for a spread of applicants even with that constraint in place. Christian On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 09:55 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Østergaard wrote: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008 GUADEC is the yearly GNOME Users and Developers European Conference. Does that automatically exclude those outside EU from sending proposals ? :Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGAgUgXQZpNTcrCzMRAiSpAJ9xk0fSv+cjrYjXMdNAQUMe7X+DVgCggLwA u1BMR2UYThx1RnYeSh7V6Bs= =hCGB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-announce mailing list foundation-announce@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-announce ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
But one thing is for sure - the travel costs for attendees is something which will definitely be taken into account, and in general that will exclude anything outside North America and Europe. I think excluding NA would be reasonable as well - there are so many OSS conferences on the other side of the pond, please leave something to good old Europe:) Cheers, Sergey ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Neary wrote: But one thing is for sure - the travel costs for attendees is something which will definitely be taken into account, and in general that will exclude anything outside North America and Europe. Or, in short unless a conference outside NA or EU reimburses travel expenses for attendees/speakers a Regional GNOME Conference or a GUADAC with developer participation from NA or EU is effectively ruled out. Hmm...kind of puts regional organisers between rock(s) and hard place(s) since it will raise the sponsorship and attendance fees in order to ensure crowd attendance and also meet the objective of herding the cats etc etc :Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGAlPtXQZpNTcrCzMRAm14AJ4s2/aX3ckW38TrR6TGO9h//zSQZQCfSpTu 6MR2KNmdAsDDlayBi8cyhAs= =n4SB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
Hi, Sergey Udaltsov wrote: I think excluding NA would be reasonable as well - there are so many OSS conferences on the other side of the pond, please leave something to good old Europe:) To me the best free software conferences around aren't in the US - FOSDEM, aKademy, LSM, GUADEC, OLS, LCA, FOSS.IN, CeBIT, LinuxTag... Perhaps the biggest free software business conferences are in the US (your LinuxWorlds and OSCons of the world), but all the best community conferences happen outside the US. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
Perhaps the biggest free software business conferences are in the US (your LinuxWorlds and OSCons of the world), but all the best community conferences happen outside the US. OK, then let's keep it this way:) Sergey ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
But one thing is for sure - the travel costs for attendees is something which will definitely be taken into account, and in general that will exclude anything outside North America and Europe. That depends upon the time of year and location. The bit of North America which is civilised to visitors (Canada) can be very pricy in summer but very very cheap in winter [guess why]. This is a problem with OLS. Mexico has some claim to be the original home of Gnome... Alan ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
quote who=Luke Stroven I'll footnotes it. Hrm, except it's down right now. Boh! Darn thunderstorms anyways. Its back up ;) Thanks Stro, unsung hero! (Rhymes for great justice!) - Jeff -- Open CeBIT 2007: Sydney, Australia http://www.opencebit.com.au/ And, most importantly, we now have modules named 'fontilus' and 'themus' -- the two founders of GROME. - Jonathon Blandford ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
Alan Cox wrote: But one thing is for sure - the travel costs for attendees is something which will definitely be taken into account, and in general that will exclude anything outside North America and Europe. That depends upon the time of year and location. The bit of North America which is civilised to visitors (Canada) can be very pricy in summer but very very cheap in winter [guess why]. This is a problem with OLS. Alan, Also don't forget that Ottawa (since you mention the case of OLS) by itself is not the best destination as, despite being the Nation's Capital, its airport route is barely direct. Most of people will have to fly through Toronto (YYZ) or Montreal (YUL), and depending in the airline, they might a non negligible cost to add for this last leg to Ottawa (YOW). That said if there is any proposal for Canada (Montreal is IMHO a better choice than Ottawa), count me in :-) Hub ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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quote who=Hubert Figuiere That said if there is any proposal for Canada (Montreal is IMHO a better choice than Ottawa), count me in :-) Where necessary, and in this case I think it is, we should be very clear about GNOME's geopolitical view of the world: Quebecistan is not in Europe. - Jeff -- Open CeBIT 2007: Sydney, Australia http://www.opencebit.com.au/ Everyone's a little queer, why can't she be a little straight? - Weezer, Pink Triangle ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 01:35 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Hubert Figuiere That said if there is any proposal for Canada (Montreal is IMHO a better choice than Ottawa), count me in :-) Where necessary, and in this case I think it is, we should be very clear about GNOME's geopolitical view of the world: Quebecistan is not in Europe. Who said Quebec is in Europe ? Being one of the biggest regions in North America I'd think it would be hard to miss on the map, North America wasnt on the excluded list last I checked, is it ? Anyway, I dont expect to be going to any oversees FOSS related conferences but if there was one in Canada (and I must stress that Ottawa is one of the most boring places I've been to) then as hub says count me in :) Cheers, -Tristan ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 10:37 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Does that mean that candidates outside the EU would be considered? Not sure - we would need to discuss it. But one thing is for sure - the travel costs for attendees is something which will definitely be taken into account, and in general that will exclude anything outside North America and Europe. /me fancies a GUADEC in Dubai. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
quote who=Anne Østergaard Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008 I'll footnotes it. - Jeff -- Open CeBIT 2007: Sydney, Australia http://www.opencebit.com.au/ GNOME. Vorsprung durch Einfachheit. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
quote who=Jeff Waugh quote who=Anne Østergaard Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008 I'll footnotes it. Hrm, except it's down right now. Boh! - Jeff -- Open CeBIT 2007: Sydney, Australia http://www.opencebit.com.au/ Instead you're doing circle jerks with the Care Bears of Censorship. - Siduri on Slashdot ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Østergaard wrote: Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008 GUADEC is the yearly GNOME Users and Developers European Conference. Does that automatically exclude those outside EU from sending proposals ? :Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGAgUgXQZpNTcrCzMRAiSpAJ9xk0fSv+cjrYjXMdNAQUMe7X+DVgCggLwA u1BMR2UYThx1RnYeSh7V6Bs= =hCGB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
