RE: sysmonmsg group

2001-09-14 Thread salvatory dany

Hi Moshe,

My be I didn't clarify the situation very well.
The case is,In the normal Legacy Historian from the
DATA DISPLAY we can save an ASCII file with any data
from Reduction Group and Message Group in
/opt/fox/R_station_letterbug.
My question now is,Can I make the same with the
AIM_HISTORIAN installed on NT platform,And where these
files saved if this is possible?. 



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 exactly same place. aim*historian is multiplatform.
 
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  Subject:sysmonmsg group
  
  Hi all,
  
  All system messages are stored in the sysmonmsg
  message group in the Historian package for AW51x,
  What about these messages for AIM-Historian
 package
  for
  the AW70's,Can any one till me where these
 messages
  stored in the AW70's?
  
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RE: sysmonmsg group

2001-09-14 Thread Ghodhbani, Hafedh

Hi Dany,
I have question for you.
If I look for messages in sysmonmsg in my AW51B, I find nothing!
How can I activate archiving system message alarms in sysmonmsg ?
How could they be identified by CP in /opt/fox/R_station letterbug?
Regards
Hafedh Ghodhbani

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From: salvatory dany [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 14 September 2001 09:12
To: Foxboro DCS Mail List
Subject: RE: sysmonmsg group


Hi Moshe,

My be I didn't clarify the situation very well.
The case is,In the normal Legacy Historian from the
DATA DISPLAY we can save an ASCII file with any data
from Reduction Group and Message Group in
/opt/fox/R_station_letterbug.
My question now is,Can I make the same with the
AIM_HISTORIAN installed on NT platform,And where these
files saved if this is possible?. 



--- Maurice Moshe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 exactly same place. aim*historian is multiplatform.
 
  -Original Message-
  From:   salvatory dany [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent:   Wed, September 12, 2001 12:59 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject:sysmonmsg group
  
  Hi all,
  
  All system messages are stored in the sysmonmsg
  message group in the Historian package for AW51x,
  What about these messages for AIM-Historian
 package
  for
  the AW70's,Can any one till me where these
 messages
  stored in the AW70's?
  
  thank you for your attention.
  
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RE: Cassandra.org meeting in Las Vegas

2001-09-14 Thread Lowell, Tim:

Well, I have tickets, hotel reservations, and I registered, but that doesn't
necessarily mean I will be coming.  Since I work for a large organization,
the decision is ultimately not mine to make.  As of now, no air travel is
allowed, and from what I am hearing, air travel will be limited to
non-discretionary (meaning only absolutely necessary) for the near future.
So, if I'm there, I'll be at the roundtable, but I wouldn't count on it.

Tim

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October 7 to 11 in Las Vegas?

I'm on the steering committee for the user group meeting and one of
my
responsibilities is a Tuesday night roundtable session from 6:00 to
8:00.  

The session is called User Utilities and Solutions Roundtable
Discussion.
This is actually the meeting slot for the Cassandra.org people.
We had a
similar session last year that was informative and a lot of fun.

The session will be free format and should provide a great
opportunity for
users to share and discuss solutions, ideas, problems etc.

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RE: vibration transmitters

2001-09-14 Thread Balmer, Robert D.

Hafedh
We use Metrix Instrument Co. Model 5484C-021 vibration Transmitters. (0 to
1fps Velocity Unit).
In this particular case we feed the signal into an FBC, however I have not
had and device that worked on a FBC not work on an FBM.  
You can find information out at www.metrix1.com
Robert Balmer
Climax Molybdenum

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Subject: vibration transmitters


Folks,
I'd like to install vibration transmitters on a fixed mechanical structure
for continuous monitoring. Do you know a good product that I can connect 
easily to FBM01 or FBM04 for example.

Cheers
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Re: PLC Question

2001-09-14 Thread Glen Bounds

First, thanks for all the responses.

Second, I have issues with all of the listed methods of communication
from ControlLogix to I/A because of the following reasons:

 1. AB Integrator 30 to AB 1770-KF2 or 1779-KFL DH+ module in single or
 redundant ControLogix configuration.

I have nine overloaded AB30's connected to one PLC-3 that I plan on updating
to a ControlLogix 5550.  This is absurd.  I would like to have something
LIKE
an AB30 (with no hard drives, moving parts, configure in ICC, ...) but with
a
much larger capacity - like a CP60 communicating over Ethernet to
ControlLogix.

 2. AW51 or AW70 with Ethernet interface, FoxBlocks and AB Interchange or
 RSLinx software.

I actually purchased AB Interchange for Solaris and was considering
installing it
when I realized how much maintenance and configuration is required.  One of
our plants does us this method and is not happy with the results.

 3. AW70 with DH+ interface, FoxBlocks and AB RSLinx software.

If it has a 70 anywhere in the model number, it will not reside in my
control
system.  (Sorry, Foxboro!)

 4. Micro I/A with AB Ethernet interface.

This was actually something I was very interested in until I found out the
true
performance and it isn't much better than the AB30.  I would still end up
with
many stations.

 5. AW70 with FoxBlocks and DDE I/O Gate through a serial or Ethernet
 interface which addresses data in the native ControLogic naming structure.

See answer for #3.

 6. AW51 or AW70 through an Ethernet interface with a third party OPC
 software which addresses data in the native ControLogic naming structure.

This is what I will probably have to end up doing.  AW51 with a third party
OPC server.  I just wish I didn't have go this way.  It has a hard drive,
has
to be configured a couple of places instead of one, and I will have to deal
with finger pointing when something goes wrong.

So, in conclusion, I want a CP60 like performance and form factor, with
the ability to configure C:B.P directly in ICC or FoxCAE communicating
over fast Ethernet.  We have many plants around the world that could use
this technology today.  Is that too much to ask?


Glen Bounds
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Corn Products International



- Original Message -
From: Jason Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: PLC Question


 Glen,

 I don't think there is a real good answer, but I've seen it done. I have
 copied some old information I found below for reference (from Foxboro
tech).
 There are several options depending on the amount of data and type of
 communications. From the Foxboro perspective, the easiest way would be to
 communicate to the ControlLogix as a PLC-5. This would require a little
bit
 of configuration on the Rockwell side. I hope this is helpful.

 Regards,
 Jason
 ___
 Jason Wright
 Regional Technical Specialist
 ControlSoft
 (216) 397-3900 x201


 A-B ControlLogix PLC's

 Many Foxboro customers are purchasing the new Allen Bradley ControLogix
PLC
 and asking how would we interface it to I/A Series. The ControLogix
product
 is designed around their new ControlNet data highway and uses an object
 oriented data naming structure. Fortunately, Allen Bradley also supports
 Ethernet and DH+ with PLC5 data table structure so that all of our
 traditional interfaces can be used. When a data object (up to 40
characters
 in length) is created, a pull-down menu is available to assign the data
 object to a PLC5 data table. In addition, Allen Bradley will be
introducing
 a fault-tolerant ControLogix configuration with two processors and shared
 I/O. As a result, we can interface via the following methods:

 1. AB Integrator 30 to AB 1770-KF2 or 1779-KFL DH+ module in single or
 redundant ControLogix configuration.
 2. AW51 or AW70 with Ethernet interface, FoxBlocks and AB Interchange or
 RSLinx software.
 3. AW70 with DH+ interface, FoxBlocks and AB RSLinx software.
 4. Micro I/A with AB Ethernet interface.
 5. AW70 with FoxBlocks and DDE I/O Gate through a serial or Ethernet
 interface which addresses data in the native ControLogic naming structure.
 6. AW51 or AW70 through an Ethernet interface with a third party OPC
 software which addresses data in the native ControLogic naming structure.

 -Original Message-
 Subject: Re: PLC Question


 I for one would be interested in some more detailed information.

 I have asked Foxboro about this for a couple of years now with
 no results.

 Glen Bounds
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Corn Products International



 - Original Message -
  Foxboro does not yet endorse connectivity to ControlLogix.
 
  We (FeedForward, a Foxboro Systems Integrator) have, however,
successfully
  integrated the two for one of our customers.
  I was not directly involved with this project, but from my
understanding,
 it
  requires no more than entering the correct (but not intuitively obvious)
  parameters in the ABSCAN blocks, and also requires the setup of aliases
in
  the ControlLogix processor.
 
  If you are interested, 

RE: PLC Question

2001-09-14 Thread Stear, Bo

Hear Hear on the 70 bit...

-Original Message-
From: Glen Bounds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:15 AM
To: Foxboro DCS Mail List
Subject: Re: PLC Question


First, thanks for all the responses.

Second, I have issues with all of the listed methods of communication
from ControlLogix to I/A because of the following reasons:

 1. AB Integrator 30 to AB 1770-KF2 or 1779-KFL DH+ module in single or
 redundant ControLogix configuration.

I have nine overloaded AB30's connected to one PLC-3 that I plan on updating
to a ControlLogix 5550.  This is absurd.  I would like to have something
LIKE
an AB30 (with no hard drives, moving parts, configure in ICC, ...) but with
a
much larger capacity - like a CP60 communicating over Ethernet to
ControlLogix.

 2. AW51 or AW70 with Ethernet interface, FoxBlocks and AB Interchange or
 RSLinx software.

I actually purchased AB Interchange for Solaris and was considering
installing it
when I realized how much maintenance and configuration is required.  One of
our plants does us this method and is not happy with the results.

 3. AW70 with DH+ interface, FoxBlocks and AB RSLinx software.

If it has a 70 anywhere in the model number, it will not reside in my
control
system.  (Sorry, Foxboro!)

 4. Micro I/A with AB Ethernet interface.

This was actually something I was very interested in until I found out the
true
performance and it isn't much better than the AB30.  I would still end up
with
many stations.

 5. AW70 with FoxBlocks and DDE I/O Gate through a serial or Ethernet
 interface which addresses data in the native ControLogic naming structure.

See answer for #3.

 6. AW51 or AW70 through an Ethernet interface with a third party OPC
 software which addresses data in the native ControLogic naming structure.

This is what I will probably have to end up doing.  AW51 with a third party
OPC server.  I just wish I didn't have go this way.  It has a hard drive,
has
to be configured a couple of places instead of one, and I will have to deal
with finger pointing when something goes wrong.

So, in conclusion, I want a CP60 like performance and form factor, with
the ability to configure C:B.P directly in ICC or FoxCAE communicating
over fast Ethernet.  We have many plants around the world that could use
this technology today.  Is that too much to ask?


Glen Bounds
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Corn Products International



- Original Message -
From: Jason Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: PLC Question


 Glen,

 I don't think there is a real good answer, but I've seen it done. I have
 copied some old information I found below for reference (from Foxboro
tech).
 There are several options depending on the amount of data and type of
 communications. From the Foxboro perspective, the easiest way would be to
 communicate to the ControlLogix as a PLC-5. This would require a little
bit
 of configuration on the Rockwell side. I hope this is helpful.

 Regards,
 Jason
 ___
 Jason Wright
 Regional Technical Specialist
 ControlSoft
 (216) 397-3900 x201


 A-B ControlLogix PLC's

 Many Foxboro customers are purchasing the new Allen Bradley ControLogix
PLC
 and asking how would we interface it to I/A Series. The ControLogix
product
 is designed around their new ControlNet data highway and uses an object
 oriented data naming structure. Fortunately, Allen Bradley also supports
 Ethernet and DH+ with PLC5 data table structure so that all of our
 traditional interfaces can be used. When a data object (up to 40
characters
 in length) is created, a pull-down menu is available to assign the data
 object to a PLC5 data table. In addition, Allen Bradley will be
introducing
 a fault-tolerant ControLogix configuration with two processors and shared
 I/O. As a result, we can interface via the following methods:

 1. AB Integrator 30 to AB 1770-KF2 or 1779-KFL DH+ module in single or
 redundant ControLogix configuration.
 2. AW51 or AW70 with Ethernet interface, FoxBlocks and AB Interchange or
 RSLinx software.
 3. AW70 with DH+ interface, FoxBlocks and AB RSLinx software.
 4. Micro I/A with AB Ethernet interface.
 5. AW70 with FoxBlocks and DDE I/O Gate through a serial or Ethernet
 interface which addresses data in the native ControLogic naming structure.
 6. AW51 or AW70 through an Ethernet interface with a third party OPC
 software which addresses data in the native ControLogic naming structure.

 -Original Message-
 Subject: Re: PLC Question


 I for one would be interested in some more detailed information.

 I have asked Foxboro about this for a couple of years now with
 no results.

 Glen Bounds
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Corn Products International



 - Original Message -
  Foxboro does not yet endorse connectivity to ControlLogix.
 
  We (FeedForward, a Foxboro Systems Integrator) have, however,
successfully
  integrated the two for one of our customers.
  I was not directly involved with this project, but from my
understanding,
 it
  requires no 

RE: sysmonmsg group

2001-09-14 Thread Lowell, Tim:

We don't have any AW70's, so I'm not sure if I can help much, but I do know
a way to extract message data from AIM*AT to a text file on the AW51.  In
/usr/fox/disp_tools is a program called fh_sacego, which is a tool for
extracting System Monitor and Operator Action Journal messages to a text
file.  The syntax is:

AW5101# fh_sacego filename.txt histname Station name filter
Compound Name filter Block Name filter start time in the format
-MM-DD HH:MM:SS end time in the format -MM-DD HH:MM:SS
optional -m for System Monitor, otherwise Operator Action Journal

So, for example, to get System Monitor messages for yesterday for all
stations from historian hist01 into a file called messages.txt, the command
would be

AW5101# fh_sacego messages.txt hist012001-09-13 00:00
2001-09-14 00:00 -m

The quotes are required.  As you can see, to get all messages without regard
to station, compound or block, the filters would just be double quotes ().
With no -m, which is the default, you get Operator Action Journal messages
only.

I have no idea if fh_sacego exists on the AW70, but I think it doesn't.

If you buy the AIM*AT Suite with the ODBC driver license, you can use
Microsoft Access and Excel Visual Basic to view message data from AIM*AT,
but I have had very limited success with this method.  Document B0193YJ,
chapter 10 gives you some examples of using ODBC in this fashion, none of
which address message groups.  AIM*Datalink does a pretty good job of
retrieving message group data, and I would suggest taking the AIM*AT
training class offered at the Lifetime Learning Center to learn how to use
AIM*AT.

Tim


-Original Message-
From:   salvatory dany [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Friday, September 14, 2001 4:12 AM
To: Foxboro DCS Mail List
Subject:RE: sysmonmsg group

Hi Moshe,

My be I didn't clarify the situation very well.
The case is,In the normal Legacy Historian from the
DATA DISPLAY we can save an ASCII file with any data
from Reduction Group and Message Group in
/opt/fox/R_station_letterbug.
My question now is,Can I make the same with the
AIM_HISTORIAN installed on NT platform,And where these
files saved if this is possible?. 



--- Maurice Moshe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 exactly same place. aim*historian is multiplatform.
 
  -Original Message-
  From:   salvatory dany [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent:   Wed, September 12, 2001 12:59 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject:sysmonmsg group
  
  Hi all,
  
  All system messages are stored in the sysmonmsg
  message group in the Historian package for AW51x,
  What about these messages for AIM-Historian
 package
  for
  the AW70's,Can any one till me where these
 messages
  stored in the AW70's?
  
  thank you for your attention.
  
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RE: PLC Question

2001-09-14 Thread Corey R Clingo

We second that emotion (I'll be 70 before I buy a '70 :-)

We are currently in a similar situation trying to integrate some devices via an
OPC server, and looking at the 3rd-party approach as well.  I like the
super-integrator (CP60 with Ethernet comms) idea as well, although one of
those will probably never work for OPC.

We had I/O scan overruns on all 3 of our AB Integrator 30s.  I backed off the
scanning of most ABSCAN blocks on them to 2 secs or slower, which fixed the
problem on 2 of them, but not on the third.  I tried phasing out the points on
the third, but changing the phase caused the ABSCAN blocks to smurf, so we had
to punt on that (we sent a saveall to TAC and they were able to change phases
with no problem...sigh).  I can't understand the nature of the scan overruns, as
we are not scanning that many points.

It's too bad, really, because I like the transparency the Integrator provides.
The points appear to the operator just like a CP, so you don't have any training
issues - as you might, say,  with an all-HPM Honeywell TDC system with a PLC
Gateway.  But our crusty old PLC Gateways can scan hundreds of points per second
- to the bandwidth limit on the A-B DH+ - without problems.  Alas, I cannot say
that about Integrator 30s.

Corey Clingo
Sr. Engineer
BASF Corporation





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What the future holds.

2001-09-14 Thread David Johnson

Hey gang,

I just got this in my weekly ARCwire email and thought some of you might be 
interested.

[
Invensys Software has announced a new ability to deliver open, unified 
automation and information solutions for process, batch, discrete, and 
hybrid manufacturing applications. The common platform is build around the 
Invensys ArchestrA framework, which has been in development since 1998. It 
will be used to unify the Invensys Foxboro, APV, Wonderware, Triconex, 
Esscor, and Simulation Sciences products for broader applicability across 
all manufacturing industry and application domains. The common 
architecture, which will run on Microsoft technology, will offer a 
migration path for customers, greater ease of use, scalability, and more 
functionality.
]

Let us dissect the last sentence.
  The common architecture, (we're putting all of our development effort 
into one platform) which will run on Microsoft technology(no surprise 
here), will offer a migration path for customers(Solaris users are in 
trouble), greater ease of use (always promised, seldom delivered), 
scalability (You can mix and match NT, 2000 and XP), and more 
functionality(comes with Excel plug-ins).

At least that's my take on it.  Any of you guys familiar with this 
ArchestrA stuff?  I'd like to know what you think.

Regards,
David


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What the future holds.

2001-09-14 Thread Cyrus W. Taft

David,
I like the way you translated the last paragraph.  Unfortunately you have
to do that with all news these days to get around the spin.  It sounds like
Solaris is out.  Too bad.

Cyrus Taft


Message text written by Foxboro DCS Mail List
Let us dissect the last sentence.
  The common architecture, (we're putting all of our development effort 
into one platform) which will run on Microsoft technology(no surprise 
here), will offer a migration path for customers(Solaris users are in 
trouble), greater ease of use (always promised, seldom delivered), 
scalability (You can mix and match NT, 2000 and XP), and more 
functionality(comes with Excel plug-ins).



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