Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Delphi may have Linux support next year

2016-08-30 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said:
> 
> > Also afaik the compiler is the same as for mobile targets, with probably the
> > same limitations, and not the win32/win64 delphi compiler.
> 
> :-/

Note that I heard this when it first came on the roadmap. I haven't seen any
confirmation/repitition of that tidbit in the newer rounds of roadmap news
(this summer) yet.


 
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Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Delphi may have Linux support next year

2016-08-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2016-08-30 13:12, Marco van de Voort wrote:
> 
> Yes, it is a crosscompiler with their paserver remote debug solution.

Thanks for confirming.


> Also afaik the compiler is the same as for mobile targets, with probably the
> same limitations, and not the win32/win64 delphi compiler.

:-/


> The debug experience under Delphi is still several times better than
> Lazarus.  More expressions evaluate directly, and types are more easily
> browsed and inspectable (specially under D2010+ which has proper debug
> support for collection types)

Sad but true. Maybe the Free Pascal Foundation or donors to the
foundation will be willing to sponsor such development of a native FPC
debugger at some point. I'll be keen to work on that.


Regards,
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Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Delphi may have Linux support next year

2016-08-30 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said:
> > What might be interesting is if the Delphi command line compiler could run
> > on AMD64 Linux, but that's yet to be seen.
> 
> [I would assume your message is off-topic, so I set the reply-to of this
> message to FPC-Other]

Correct.
 
> I doubt it will actually run on Linux, because then they would also need
> a debugger, which then begs for an IDE to make debugging easier. So in
> all likelihood, you would need a copy (and license) of Windows to
> develop for Linux - just like you need for OSX/iOS development.

Yes, it is a crosscompiler with their paserver remote debug solution.

Also afaik the compiler is the same as for mobile targets, with probably the
same limitations, and not the win32/win64 delphi compiler.

> Just stick with FPC and have native tools for each platform. I see no
> benefit of having Delphi these days. Delphi is outshined by Free Pascal
> and Lazarus IDE for some years now.

The debug experience under Delphi is still several times better than
Lazarus.  More expressions evaluate directly, and types are more easily
browsed and inspectable (specially under D2010+ which has proper debug
support for collection types)

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Re: [fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Delphi may have Linux support next year

2016-08-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2016-08-30 06:15, Anthony Walter wrote:
> What might be interesting is if the Delphi command line compiler could run
> on AMD64 Linux, but that's yet to be seen.

[I would assume your message is off-topic, so I set the reply-to of this
message to FPC-Other]

I doubt it will actually run on Linux, because then they would also need
a debugger, which then begs for an IDE to make debugging easier. So in
all likelihood, you would need a copy (and license) of Windows to
develop for Linux - just like you need for OSX/iOS development.

Just stick with FPC and have native tools for each platform. I see no
benefit of having Delphi these days. Delphi is outshined by Free Pascal
and Lazarus IDE for some years now.

Regards,
  Graeme

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