Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
Frankly, every new feature will be a mere increase of complexity if you reject learning about it. There is a listing, despite not up-to-date, of new language features since Delphi 7, at http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/34324. Not all of them are currently implemented in FPC. Could you point out which of them is “nonsense” or “only saves some keystrokes”? On January 15, 2012, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Lars schrieb: Personally, I'm getting sick of all the new features added to delphi that don't add anything meaningful, and just add complexity to the compiler. why didn't borland just make people use old borland objects with methods instead of new advanced records? Old borland objects are advanced records.. Ticking me off more: why do we even have objects and classes? what is an object? what are classes? I would have preferred if borland would have just called old borland objects Extended records from day one. Now we have this feature overload in the language and it's becoming more and more complex of a language (needlessly). Objects, Classes, records.. aren't they all the same thing? I don't even personally buy the idea that objects even exist.. i think they are just extended records. What is an object? an instance of a class? if so, why did borland call the type definition object if it was supposed to be a class? Ugh. Ugly language - it is becoming - sorry to say! I agree wholeheartly with you!! Lots of nonsense is added that is already available otherwise (or only saves some keystrokes). In the past Pascal was an easy to learn (still powerfull) language. Today the direction goes into increased complexity as all the other languages and nobody realy understands it anymore so programmers code in a suboptimal manner more and more. Some may say: You don't have to use it. That's true. But I am also no longer able to read foreign code (i.e. Lazarus program code) because all these strange concepts are used there. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal -- Best Regards, J.-c. Chu ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Re: Help!!
So far i've managed to do the program quite well, and I was wondering, can i close the main form (form1) whils opening form2 and not closing the app? Is there any way that I can do it? And if i were to make a new 'ID' (on the app), is there any way that i can write that into my database? What command should i use? Thanks in advance. On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Malvin Viriya malvin...@gmail.com wrote: thanks, i'll try using it On 1/4/12, Graeme Geldenhuys-2 [via Free Pascal - General] ml-node+s1045716n5120203...@n5.nabble.com wrote: On 4 January 2012 12:33, Malvin wrote: Is there any other components need installing so that it will connect properly other than libmysql.dll, Under Windows, that should be all that you need. Under Linux you would normally need to install the xxx-dev package where xxx is the database library (mysql, firebird, postgresql etc). and also i've heard of TMySQL, what is that? and is there any other alternatives? I don't use MySQL at all, so can't really comment on that. I solely use Firebird for my commercial work. I also don't use database components directly, instead I use tiOPF - an object persistence framework which supports multiple database backends. This allows me to concentrate on business objects and business logic, and the tiOPF framework takes care of the loading, saving and transaction support for me. I primarily use the SqlDB database backend (included with FPC) via tiOPF, but can easily change to FBLib via a single compiler directive change and a recompile too. tiOPF is also documented on the FPC wiki. Or visit http://www.tiopf.com for more details if you want. -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/Help-tp5116673p5120203.html To unsubscribe from Help!!, visit http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=5116673code=bWFsdmludm52QGdtYWlsLmNvbXw1MTE2NjczfDEyNTA4MzUwNA== -- View this message in context: http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/Help-tp5116673p5146427.html Sent from the Free Pascal - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
Am 15.01.2012 00:59 schrieb Lars nore...@z505.com: Daniel Gaspary wrote: Any special reason to Advanced Records be available only in Delphi Mode ? Personally, I'm getting sick of all the new features added to delphi that don't add anything meaningful, and just add complexity to the compiler. why didn't borland just make people use old borland objects with methods instead of new advanced records? Old borland objects are advanced records.. Although I don't know why Borland did it that way (and I'm also not that a big fan of that extension (but I use them)), I can assure you that advanced records and objects are not the same: * objects support inheritance and destructors * advanced records support the declaration of operators inside them (important for genetics) and variant parts Ticking me off more: why do we even have objects and classes? what is an object? what are classes? I would have preferred if borland would have just called old borland objects Extended records from day one. Now we have this feature overload in the language and it's becoming more and more complex of a language (needlessly). Objects, Classes, records.. aren't they all the same thing? I don't even personally buy the idea that objects even exist.. i think they are just extended records. What is an object? an instance of a class? if so, why did borland call the type definition object if it was supposed to be a class? Ugh. Ugly language - it is becoming - sorry to say! Objects were introduced in Turbo Pascal. There were no classes yet, only objects. When they introduced classes they realized that the object concept wasn't powerful enough, but because of backwards compatibility they decided not to fix the objects (or adding a compilerswitch for changing the functionality) but to introduce a new language construct. The advanced records were AFAIK introduced, because they added them for Delphi.Net and they wanted to unify the two platforms a bit. And yes, the word object now has two meanings in case of Pascal: * the old OOP concept * an instance of a type of the new concept I also can assure you that at least in the FPC compiler (advanced) records and objects are not the same. A little sidenote at the end: in mode MacPascal types declared as object are handled like class, because the objects in MacPascal are closer to Delphi's classes than to TP's objects. Regards, Sven ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 04:43, J.-c. Chu jc...@acm.org wrote: For one thing, class variables, class methods, and class properties are subject to visibility controls and inheritance. So you can, for example, have a private class variable initialized with class constructor (which avoids code in the INITIALIZATION section) and accessed via a read-only class property (which is impossible with unit-level variables). Interesting, thank you for share this use case. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:44, J.-c. Chu jc...@acm.org wrote: There is a listing, despite not up-to-date, of new language features since Delphi 7, at http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/34324. Not all of them are currently implemented in FPC. I believe could be really useful to have a grid style in just one page with compability status. Is there something similar to this page at fpc wiki ? ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] sorting and merging array of records
In our previous episode, Tomas Hajny said: Well, I just played with using CHMs with FP IDE under OS/2 and realized that I get a nice immediate SIGSEGV when using the context help with the CHM help files, Hopefully fixed. Somehow the documentation generated empty topic titles all of a sudden ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
In our previous episode, J.-c. Chu said: Frankly, every new feature will be a mere increase of complexity if you reject learning about it. There is a listing, despite not up-to-date, of new language features since Delphi 7, at http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/34324. Not all of them are currently implemented in FPC. Which ones aren't? Could you point out which of them is ?nonsense? or ?only saves some keystrokes?? Below is a link to a very old discussion of the above article: http://www.stack.nl/~marcov/delphilater.txt ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
class abstract? On January 15, 2012, Marco van de Voort wrote: Which ones aren't? -- Best Regards, J.-c. Chu ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
J.-c. Chu schrieb: Frankly, every new feature will be a mere increase of complexity if you reject learning about it. So how should in your opinion (Object) Pascal look like in say 10 or 15 years? If new features are added with the same speed as in the past, it would become a monster that only those who grew up with it (without gap) or who invest months of learning can control.. Every novice would surrender because the learning curve is so steep. It's no surprise that other scipting languages are so popular. In general they are much easier to learn. Borland/Embacadero was the driving force behind all these changes and FPC had to follow if it wanted to stay compatible. But Borland added all these features just for one reason: They had to sell new versions of Delphi. Not the new users were the target but the existing (who should upgrade). The new ones are (were) coming anyway because they were forced to (by the existing users). But if one day FPC frees from Delphi then I hope that this annoying feature-creep stops. There is a listing, despite not up-to-date, of new language features since Delphi 7, at http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/34324. Not all of them are currently implemented in FPC. Could you point out which of them is “nonsense” or “only saves some keystrokes”? I may not be a standard user (but in the end, who is?) but I have never used (nor missed) any of the mentioned concepts, nor collections, nor objects nor classes nor whatever has been added in the last 20 years and I have never missed any of them. My programs are lightning fast and easy to understand. The only thing that changed was that the number (and mightiness) of used libraries. But I can use them all with Pascal concepts that exist since Turbo Pascal. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
On 15.01.2012 16:55, J.-c. Chu wrote: class abstract? On January 15, 2012, Marco van de Voort wrote: Which ones aren't? Implemented since 2.4.2 or 2.4.4 AFAIK. Regards, Sven ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
On 15.01.2012 16:47, Marco van de Voort wrote: In our previous episode, J.-c. Chu said: Frankly, every new feature will be a mere increase of complexity if you reject learning about it. There is a listing, despite not up-to-date, of new language features since Delphi 7, athttp://edn.embarcadero.com/article/34324. Not all of them are currently implemented in FPC. Which ones aren't? They should all be part of FPC now (only if they meant TMyClass = record in their operator overloading example though - the example given as is is AFAIK not compileable neither by FPC nor by Delphi). Segards, Sven ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] installing FPC 2.6.0 on OS/2
On 1/14/2012 16:49, Tomas Hajny wrote: Is there any difference between ppas.cmd created by fp.exe and fpc.exe if you add option -s to compilation from both? i can't find a ppas.cmd when i use fp -s and hit F9 or ALT-F9 to compile... it still fails with an error linking... i am allowing the dsk file to load the files i had open... here's the ppas.cmd from fpc -s though... [ fpc-ppas.cmd ] @echo off SET THEFILE=satsort echo Assembling %THEFILE% h:\fp\2.6.0\bin\os2\as.exe -o satsort.o satsort.s if errorlevel 1 goto asmend Del satsort.s SET THEFILE=satsort.exe echo Linking %THEFILE% h:\fp\2.6.0\bin\os2\ld.exe -o satsort.out @link.res if errorlevel 1 goto linkend h:\fp\2.6.0\bin\os2\emxbind.exe -b -s -w -k256 -h1 -o satsort.exe satsort.out -ai -s8 if errorlevel 1 goto linkend del satsort.out if errorlevel 1 goto linkend goto end :asmend echo An error occured while assembling %THEFILE% goto end :linkend echo An error occured while linking %THEFILE% :end [ end ] Any difference between link.res file created in the two cases? yes... the first thing i note is the fp link.res includes the .\ directory and the fpc one does not... indicated with a 1 below... the second thing i note is the fp link.res messes up the directory we're working in for the program.o file being compiled whereas the fpc one doesn't say the directory but only the program.o... indicated with a 2 below... [ fp-link.res ] 1 -L.\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\zlib\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\x11\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\unzip\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\tcl\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\symbolic\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\rexx\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\regexpr\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\paszlib\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\pasjpeg\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\os2units\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\libpng\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\libgd\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\lexyacc\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\imlib\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\hermes\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\hash\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\gtk1\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fv\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fppkg\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fpmkunit\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fpgtk\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-xml\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-res\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-registry\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-process\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-passrc\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-net\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-json\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-js\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-image\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-fpcunit\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-db\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-base\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\chm\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\bzip2\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\BIN\OS2\ H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\prt0.o 2 h:\fpc\projects\satellite\h:\fpc\projects\satellite\satsort.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\system.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\heaptrc.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\sysutils.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\strutils.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\objects.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\math.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\crt.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\dos.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\objpas.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\sysconst.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\doscalls.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\strings.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\system.a H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\crt.a H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\doscalls.a [ fp-link.res ends ] [ fpc-link.res ] -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\zlib\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\x11\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\unzip\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\tcl\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\symbolic\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\rexx\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\regexpr\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\paszlib\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\pasjpeg\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\os2units\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\libpng\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\libgd\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\lexyacc\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\imlib\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\hermes\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\hash\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\gtk1\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fv\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fppkg\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fpmkunit\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fpgtk\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-xml\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-res\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-registry\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-process\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-passrc\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-net\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-json\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-js\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-image\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-fpcunit\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-db\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\fcl-base\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\chm\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\bzip2\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\ -LH:\FP\2.6.0\BIN\OS2\ H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\prt0.o 2 satsort.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\system.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\heaptrc.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\sysutils.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\strutils.o H:\FP\2.6.0\UNITS\OS2\RTL\objects.o
Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
I’m not brave enough to predict what Pascal is going to look like in a decade. It’s true that features should not be added promiscuously, but I don’t think Delphi is a fair target of blame. Let’s again have a look at the table in http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/34324. Basically we can group those features as follows. 1. Catching up with other langauges: operator overloading. Operator overloading makes certain code more readable. 2. Finer scoping and encapsulation: class-local types, variables, constants, and properties; “advanced” record syntax; STRICT visibilities; STATIC CLASS methods; class helpers; CLASS ABSTRACT; CLASS SEALED; and FINAL methods. These really are refinements of long-existed concepts, which cannot be elegantly reduced to pre-existing constructs. 3. Misc: routine inlining; FOR–IN loops. The FOR–IN loop is the only thing that I personally find objectionable; that’s one in 17 (according to the table in the article). There is no substantially new concepts. None of them are difficult to understand, certainly not requiring “months of learning”. And if you need some help, a simple Google query with “site:embarcadero.com” will almost do the job. I understand that for someone who’s been avoiding OOP in the past 20 years these new features may be annoying. But in the meantime there are people who grew up with object-oriented languages, and they might welcome these changes. On January 16, 2012, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: J.-c. Chu schrieb: Frankly, every new feature will be a mere increase of complexity if you reject learning about it. So how should in your opinion (Object) Pascal look like in say 10 or 15 years? If new features are added with the same speed as in the past, it would become a monster that only those who grew up with it (without gap) or who invest months of learning can control.. Every novice would surrender because the learning curve is so steep. It's no surprise that other scipting languages are so popular. In general they are much easier to learn. Borland/Embacadero was the driving force behind all these changes and FPC had to follow if it wanted to stay compatible. But Borland added all these features just for one reason: They had to sell new versions of Delphi. Not the new users were the target but the existing (who should upgrade). The new ones are (were) coming anyway because they were forced to (by the existing users). But if one day FPC frees from Delphi then I hope that this annoying feature-creep stops. There is a listing, despite not up-to-date, of new language features since Delphi 7, at http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/34324. Not all of them are currently implemented in FPC. Could you point out which of them is “nonsense” or “only saves some keystrokes”? I may not be a standard user (but in the end, who is?) but I have never used (nor missed) any of the mentioned concepts, nor collections, nor objects nor classes nor whatever has been added in the last 20 years and I have never missed any of them. My programs are lightning fast and easy to understand. The only thing that changed was that the number (and mightiness) of used libraries. But I can use them all with Pascal concepts that exist since Turbo Pascal. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal -- Jetcheng Chu http://people.rerouted.org/jcchu ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
The attached file does not compile in my trunk-version compiler.
On January 16, 2012, Sven Barth wrote:
On 15.01.2012 16:55, J.-c. Chu wrote:
class abstract?
On January 15, 2012, Marco van de Voort wrote:
Which ones aren't?
Implemented since 2.4.2 or 2.4.4 AFAIK.
Regards,
Sven
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{$MODE delphi}
type
TTestClass = class abstract
procedure TestMethod;
end;
begin
end.
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Advanced Records - Why not available by default?
In our previous episode, J.-c. Chu said: The attached file does not compile in my trunk-version compiler. As Sven already said, that example doesn't compile in Delphi either. Embarcadero Delphi for Win32 compiler version 22.0 Copyright (c) 1983,2010 Embarcadero Technologies, Inc. xxx.dpr(8) xxx.dpr(3) Error: E2065 Unsatisfied forward or external declaration: 'TTestClass.TestMethod' ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] installing FPC 2.6.0 on OS/2
On 15 Jan 12, at 13:31, waldo kitty wrote: On 1/14/2012 16:49, Tomas Hajny wrote: . . Any difference between link.res file created in the two cases? yes... the first thing i note is the fp link.res includes the .\ directory and the fpc one does not... indicated with a 1 below... I don't know why they are different, but this probably shouldn't be a problem. the second thing i note is the fp link.res messes up the directory we're working in for the program.o file being compiled whereas the fpc one doesn't say the directory but only the program.o... indicated with a 2 below... . . 2 h:\fpc\projects\satellite\h:\fpc\projects\satellite\satsort.o . . This obviously is the problem - the linker cannot find the object file this way. :-((( I can reproduce it, but finding time for debugging it and fixing it will probably take some time (mostly due to time constraints on my side :-( ). Fortunately, the workaround of using the command line compiler works well so this shouldn't be a show-stopper (although it certainly isn't pleasant :-( ). Thanks for letting me know about it. I suggest that you file a standard bug report (not that I expect anyone else to fix it if the problem is restricted to the OS/2 version, but it becomes visible for other users who may come across the problem too this way at least). Tomas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] installing FPC 2.6.0 on OS/2
On 1/15/2012 17:17, Tomas Hajny wrote: On 15 Jan 12, at 13:31, waldo kitty wrote: On 1/14/2012 16:49, Tomas Hajny wrote: Any difference between link.res file created in the two cases? yes... the first thing i note is the fp link.res includes the .\ directory and the fpc one does not... indicated with a 1 below... I don't know why they are different, but this probably shouldn't be a problem. i didn't think so, either... i mean, it would seem that fpc looks in the current directory already... as such, it doesn't list the .\ directory in its list... fp seems to need this additional assistance, maybe? ;) the second thing i note is the fp link.res messes up the directory we're working in for the program.o file being compiled whereas the fpc one doesn't say the directory but only the program.o... indicated with a 2 below... . 2 h:\fpc\projects\satellite\h:\fpc\projects\satellite\satsort.o . This obviously is the problem - the linker cannot find the object file this way. :-((( I can reproduce it, i suspected that was the problem once i knew where to look... i'm glad you could reproduce it, too ;) but finding time for debugging it and fixing it will probably take some time (mostly due to time constraints on my side :-( ). i know how that is... i'm the maintainer of an add-on package for a popular firewall product and i haven't much time to work on that, recently, either :/ Fortunately, the workaround of using the command line compiler works well so this shouldn't be a show-stopper (although it certainly isn't pleasant :-( ). yeah, 'about that :LOL: ah'ma gunna haf tah look at sumptin' tah see how tah tell fpc what ah wan' it tah do... like ah have set up in fp when compiling with the different modes :LOL last time i did that was with TP/BP 67 and that was a looong time ago ;) Thanks for letting me know about it. I suggest that you file a standard bug report (not that I expect anyone else to fix it if the problem is restricted to the OS/2 version, but it becomes visible for other users who may come across the problem too this way at least). you are welcome... i will /try/ to do a bug report but i'm not sure where... i've done a few reports on these automated systems but, ha!, they still tend to confound me at times :P /me adds make a bug report to the LOTTD (List Of Things To Do) and waddles off to try to figure out how to add an internal svn server to his small herd of boxen... :byebye: ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Re: Help!!
thanks for your information On 1/15/12, Mattias Gaertner [via Free Pascal - General] ml-node+s1045716n5146438...@n5.nabble.com wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:58:21 -0800 (PST) Malvin malvin...@gmail.com wrote: So far i've managed to do the program quite well, and I was wondering, can i close the main form (form1) whils opening form2 and not closing the app? Is there any way that I can do it? If you mean LCL forms: The MainForm can not be closed, but you can hide it. And if i were to make a new 'ID' (on the app), is there any way that i can write that into my database? What command should i use? I don't know. Thanks in advance. Mattias ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/Help-tp5116673p5146438.html To unsubscribe from Help!!, visit http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=5116673code=bWFsdmludm52QGdtYWlsLmNvbXw1MTE2NjczfDEyNTA4MzUwNA== -- View this message in context: http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/Help-tp5116673p5147410.html Sent from the Free Pascal - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] installing FPC 2.6.0 on OS/2
On Sun, January 15, 2012 23:43, waldo kitty wrote: . . i didn't think so, either... i mean, it would seem that fpc looks in the current directory already... as such, it doesn't list the .\ directory in its list... fp seems to need this additional assistance, maybe? ;) link.res is only used by the linker (invoked from both fpc and fp equally). Neither fpc nor fp use it themselves. . . Thanks for letting me know about it. I suggest that you file a standard bug report (not that I expect anyone else to fix it if the problem is restricted to the OS/2 version, but it becomes visible for other users who may come across the problem too this way at least). you are welcome... i will /try/ to do a bug report but i'm not sure where... i've done a few reports on these automated systems but, ha!, they still tend to confound me at times :P http://bugs.freepascal.org Tomas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] convert epoch to UTC
i'm needing to convert a UTC epoch date to a standard time string... by that, i mean that i want to get something like 2011-01-13 22:24:04 out of the epoch number 12013.9338171... the above epoch number is (supposedly) built like this... 12 == 2012 013 == 13th day of the year .9338171 * 24 == 22.4116104 hours .4114104 * 60 == 24.696624 minutes and here's where it breaks on me because .696624 * 60 == 41.79744 seconds and that doesn't match the above time string showing 04 seconds... that time string was built from this epoch number (by another program) and i assume that it followed this published formula for this format (which is for satellite TLEs)... so, my question is this... is there an existing FPC routine that will convert this (or a part of this) properly or do i need to play with something to get it right? it is obvious that this is not a unix epoch... i'm not sure how normal julian date epochs are represented... i've looked through the docs on freepascal.org but none of them show an number with which to compare... there's no links pointing to a definition or example of a julian date or unix date or any such... help! please :/ ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] installing FPC 2.6.0 on OS/2
On 1/15/2012 18:41, Tomas Hajny wrote: On Sun, January 15, 2012 23:43, waldo kitty wrote: Thanks for letting me know about it. I suggest that you file a standard bug report (not that I expect anyone else to fix it if the problem is restricted to the OS/2 version, but it becomes visible for other users who may come across the problem too this way at least). you are welcome... i will /try/ to do a bug report but i'm not sure where... i've done a few reports on these automated systems but, ha!, they still tend to confound me at times :P http://bugs.freepascal.org if we're lucky, it would be this one http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=21100 i say lucky because i had to dance some rough hoops to get logged in... that was ugly because i already have/had an account on the wiki where i'd made some edits in the past few years... dunno what weird things were going on but it was not a pretty dance to dance :/ ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Postscriptcanvas
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:31 PM, David Copeland david.copel...@jsidata.ca wrote: Is it possible to use the PostScriptCanvas unit in a non-gui program? For drawing or for printing? -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
