Re: [fpc-pascal] Delphi compiler team left Embarcadero/Idera
Hmm maybe sad for Delphi users, I myself have not used Delphi since 2012, hopefully Delphi users see the light and start using Lazarus and FPC. It's not surprising that people are leaving embarcadero, it sucks being on the end of a dirty acquisition stick ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Delphi compiler team left Embarcadero/Idera
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:11:54 -0500, Anthony Walter wrote: >The problem Delphi ran into a while back comes down to one key factor: PRICE > .. > >This is especially true when it's so platform limited. The IDE only works >on Windows, it has no real Linux support (sorry Kylix), the OSX VCL tooling >is abysmal (my god its awful). Yeah, I got myself a personal boost back in 2013 by buying XE5 so as to explore the world of mobile apps, but I never really got going on that. >You add these in with the fact that more and more developers have been >moving to web applications, and you have a recipe for failure. Would it then not be a good time to convert to FPC/Lazarus? Price-wise it would not be a big deal At my old workplace we developed industrial automation software and we used Delphi from version 1 up to 7 and then stayed on 7 until I retired in 2011. Converting from Delphi7 to FPC 3.0 and Lazarus should not be that big of a problem unless there are snags with the 3rd party stuff we used. If one has moved on with RAD until Seattle and used the stuff in there (like FireMonkey) then it would be a hard deal I guess -- Bo Berglund Developer in Sweden ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Delphi compiler team left Embarcadero/Idera
The problem Delphi ran into a while back comes down to one key factor: PRICE What is the current cost of their professional version now? Something greater than 1000 buck I believe, and it's been that way for quite some time. In this age, when anyone with a ".edu" email address (DreamSpark) or website (WebSpark) can get Visual Studio pro for free, anyone can get Eclipse or IntelliJ IDEA for free, anyone can get Python + any IDE for it for free, or get Atom/Brackets for Javascript/HTML for free, it's no wonder practically NO ONE is buying and then using Delphi. This is especially true when it's so platform limited. The IDE only works on Windows, it has no real Linux support (sorry Kylix), the OSX VCL tooling is abysmal (my god its awful). You add these in with the fact that more and more developers have been moving to web applications, and you have a recipe for failure. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Delphi compiler team left Embarcadero/Idera
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:03:29 +0100 (CET), mar...@stack.nl (Marco van de Voort) wrote: >In our previous episode, Serguei TARASSOV said: >> > fixes >> > is usually not that high, so for Seattle the calculation regardless of >> > people leaving. >> >> Yes, the subscription is "by default". > >That recently changed? I bought Seattle without in november or so. There was an email message from them recently that said they are changing the conditions as of March 1, 2016. After that there is always a subscription to buy... -- Bo Berglund Developer in Sweden ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Delphi compiler team left Embarcadero/Idera
In our previous episode, Serguei TARASSOV said: > > fixes > > is usually not that high, so for Seattle the calculation regardless of > > people leaving. > > Yes, the subscription is "by default". That recently changed? I bought Seattle without in november or so. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Delphi compiler team left Embarcadero/Idera
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 05:55:26 -0700 (MST), Serguei TARASSOV wrote: >Marco van de Voort wrote >> Were you planning to buy with subscription? The number of post relases >> fixes >> is usually not that high, so for Seattle the calculation regardless of >> people leaving. > >Yes, the subscription is "by default". Interesting, at the same time the developers leave the team Embarcadero changes licensing such that you cannot get a new version without the extra subscription, which by itself covers bugfixes that presumably stop as soon as the next release is made in 6 months or so. So a product no longer actively developed gets a higher price... I'm glad I am retired now. -- Bo Berglund Developer in Sweden ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Delphi compiler team left Embarcadero/Idera
Marco van de Voort wrote > Were you planning to buy with subscription? The number of post relases > fixes > is usually not that high, so for Seattle the calculation regardless of > people leaving. Yes, the subscription is "by default". Will see the situation... - -- Regards, Serguei -- View this message in context: http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/Delphi-compiler-team-left-Embarcadero-Idera-tp5724251p5724256.html Sent from the Free Pascal - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Delphi compiler team left Embarcadero/Idera
2016-02-22 12:45 GMT+01:00 Marco van de Voort : > announced quite a while ago? Last summer or fall? > I already knew this, and the m > No way. This is breaking news. Maybe it was someone else. AFAIK from now, there isn't any of well-known/experienced people on the compiler team. -- Best regards, Maciej Izak ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Delphi compiler team left Embarcadero/Idera
In our previous episode, Serguei TARASSOV said: > Sad news. > As we have many UI codes in D7 that cannot be easily ported to Lazarus, the > migration to Seattle 10 was in roadmap. Now I doubt to investing into this > migration. Were you planning to buy with subscription? The number of post relases fixes is usually not that high, so for Seattle the calculation regardless of people leaving. P.s. wasn't this already announced quite a while ago? Last summer or fall? I already knew this, and the message wording also sounded awfully familiar. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Delphi compiler team left Embarcadero/Idera
Sad news. As we have many UI codes in D7 that cannot be easily ported to Lazarus, the migration to Seattle 10 was in roadmap. Now I doubt to investing into this migration. - -- Regards, Serguei -- View this message in context: http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/Delphi-compiler-team-left-Embarcadero-Idera-tp5724251p5724253.html Sent from the Free Pascal - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal