maker.ini entries for Line End Options dialogue

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

All:

Does anybody know if there are any maker.ini entries that will set the 
defaults of the Line End Options dialogue?  This dialogue is accessed by 
clicking the Set Line End Style button on the tools palette.  I want the 
default Cap Style to be Butt.  And is it possible to set your own custom 
arrows?

Examining the maker.ini files in my home directory and in the FrameMaker 
directory doesn't reveal any obvious or even obscure entries.

Regards,
Hedley

--
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Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

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? MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2005

Subject: Content Management

[Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)]

Hello JIm,

have a look at www.doczone.com


Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl
DTP and XML Management

Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl
tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84
fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85
http://www.scriptware.nl
info at scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl 

another questions on XML import

[Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)]

Hello Lynn,

Could the 'Entity Locations' (element < Entities>) in the Structapps file be 
used to point to the Public entity files?

Or in stead of defining separate entitys, use general pointer in the DTD, like



My problem is that I working with 'legacy' XML files that sre created by 
different resources. Sometimes escape sequences are used for characters (like 
⟨). I don't want to make separate entrys for each occurence as long as 
they are following the (XML)standards.


Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl
DTP and XML Management

Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl
tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84
fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85
http://www.scriptware.nl
info at scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Lynne A. Price [mailto:lprice at txstruct.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 11 april 2006 18:19
Aan: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware); Framers (E-mail)
Onderwerp: Re: another questions on XML import 


At 01:20 AM 4/11/2006, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote:
>If the error message:  " Message: Entity 'lang' was not found " appears, 
>and the entity has been defined in the rules file, what can be wrong? Do I 
>need an extra pointer in the DTD for these entitys?
>
>I defined the entity (entity "⟨" is fm char "[";) before the #include 
>"isoall.rw"  statement.

Wim,
   You must declare the entity in the DTD as well as supporting it with a 
read/write rule:

  

Furthermore, the name of the entity is "lang"; the leading & and closing ; 
delimit the entity reference from surrounding text. Therefore, the r/w rule 
you need is:

  entity "lang" is fm char "[";

Hope this helps,

 --Lynne



Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505  cell phone: (510) 421-2284 

How to remove the alphabetical breaks?

[Cao Ye (Meg Cao)]

Hi, all,

When I use standard index automation in FrameMaker, the alphabetical breaks
will be generated automaticlly like following:
A
alone
apple

B
boy
.
.
.
Can I remove the "A" ot "B" such alphabetical breaks to make the index like

alone
apple

boy
.
.
.

Thanks
-Meg

questions on XML import

[Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)]

Continuing with my legacy XML documents

If the error :  Unknown Char: ※  appears on import, does that mean that 
FrameMaker can't read the Uncicode character - even if it's available in the 
rules file as:
entity "#x203B" is fm char "*";

Note: in the XML it is a Japanese asterix.

Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl
DTP and XML Management

Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl
tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84
fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85
http://www.scriptware.nl
info at scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Lynne A. Price [mailto:lprice at txstruct.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 5 april 2006 17:40
Aan: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware); Framers (E-mail)
Onderwerp: Re: questions on XML export 


At 01:27 AM 4/5/2006, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote:
>Just two quick questions (FM 7.x , Windows).


Wim,
   Asking the questions may have been quick, but I'm afraid the answers 
aren't as quick as you might think. See below!


>1. After exporting to XML the Import of the same document gives validation 
>error:
>Message: Notation 'epsi' was referenced but never declared
>Where should this be declared, in the EDD, DTD or Rules file? On export 
>FrameMaker generates the notation:
>
>


   The notation should be declared in the DTD; either in the external 
subset (the file often referred to as the DTD), or in the internal subset 
at the beginning of the document. Given the two lines you quote (the 
comment and the notation declaration), FM has done just that on export. 
Unless you have removed that line on import, I don't see why you are 
getting an error message.

   By the way, as I write this, I have no Internet connection and can't 
check, but if my memory is correct, XML public identifiers require a system 
identifier. Although FM does not report an error given:



I believe it is incorrect and should be at least:



I suggest you avoid the issue by adding:



to your DTD.

   And here is some relevant background. When you export a document that 
uses a notation that is not declared in the DTD, FM generates a notation 
declaration such as:



in the internal subset. Whenever you open an XML document that has notation 
or entity declaration sin the internal subset, FM uses a reference page 
called Entity Declarations to save enough information to regenerate those 
declarations. Information about notation declarations is saved in a 
three-column table. The notation name goes in the first column, the public 
identifier in the second, and the system identifier in the third. The table 
does not distinguish a system identifier that is present but contains no 
characters from one that doesn't appear. When both columns 2 and 3 are 
empty, it generates a public identifier, so the imported:



is exported as:



Again, avoid the issue by declaring the notation in your EDD.


>2. When exporting to XML, the reference to DTD is stored with full path 
>info: ///E:/vijay/KOM107C-XML/FMApp/komori.dtd" - how can I make FM store only 
>the DTD name, without full path? The XML files need to be processed on 
>different systems that don't have access to the same server.

Good news, bad news on this one. There is a r/w rule that I believe should 
do what you want:

writer {external dtd is "komori.dtd";}

Unfortunately, FM assumes that the specified file exists in the same folder 
as the FM file being saved. Thus, the rule works if you save the XML file 
to that folder. Suppose, however, that you have a main project folder with 
two subfolders, one called fm and once called xml. If your FM file is in 
the fm subfolder, and you save it as ..\xml\output.xml. FM uses 
..\xml\komori.dtd as the external identifier. Since there's no need to 
store the DTD there, such a file is not likely to exist. Short of using a 
custom FDK client, the workaround is to keep both FM and XML versions in 
the same folder.

 --Lynne



Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505  cell phone: (510) 421-2284 

How to remove the alphabetical breaks?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Meg,

Navigate to the IX reference page in your index. Find the paragraph that is 
tagged GroupTitlesIX. Delete the contents of the paragraph, but don't delete 
the paragraph itself; in other words, the GroupTitlesIX paragraph should be 
blank. Save the document and regenerate the Index and your group titles will 
be gone.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> Hi, all,
>
> When I use standard index automation in FrameMaker, the alphabetical 
> breaks
> will be generated automaticlly like following:
> A
> alone
> apple
>
> B
> boy
> .
> .
> .
> Can I remove the "A" ot "B" such alphabetical breaks to make the index 
> like
>
> alone
> apple
>
> boy
> .
> .
> .
>
> Thanks
> -Meg
> ___

How to remove the alphabetical breaks?

[Shlomo Perets]

Meg,

You wrote:

>When I use standard index automation in FrameMaker, the alphabetical breaks
>will be generated automaticlly like following:
> A
> alone
> apple
>
> B
> boy
> .
> .
> .
>Can I remove the "A" ot "B" such alphabetical breaks to make the index like
>
> alone
> apple
>
> boy
> .
> .

Yes. To have space but no text above each group, set up the GroupTitlesIX 
in the IX Flow on the index reference page as follows:
[\ 
];[0];[A];[B];[C];[D];[E];[F];[G];[H];[I];[J];[K];[L];[M];[N];[O];[P];[Q];[R];[S];[T];[U];[V];[W];[X];[Y];[Z]
 



Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

How to remove the alphabetical breaks?

[Anne Robotti]

> Yes. To have space but no text above each group, set up the
GroupTitlesIX
> in the IX Flow on the index reference page as follows:
> [\
>
];[0];[A];[B];[C];[D];[E];[F];[G];[H];[I];[J];[K];[L];[M];[N];[O];[P];[Q
];
> [R];[S];[T];[U];[V];[W];[X];[Y];[Z]

Okay, this brings up a point that has always puzzled me about numbering.
The help on this just isn't very helpful, and I don't understand what
the things inside the <> mean. I've gone to the Numbering tab on
paragraph formats with one tab and then a number/letter, and seen
something like <0><0><0><0><0>. What does it mean? I think it would
really help me to set up paragraphs the way I want them if I understood
this function.

Anne



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OT: Translation Services

[Gillian Flato]

Hey guys,

We are looking for a translation house to translate some of our docs
into Japanese and Korean. Who do you guys use? If any of you are
really happy with your translation company, please email me privately
with the company name and your contact's information.

We need to get at least three competitive quotes before we can pick a
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Online Help

[vikram chugh]

Hey,
I just started using WebWorks AutoMap2003 Platinium
Edition. It really save you a lot of time because as
the name suggests styles are automatically mapped. Try
it I'm sure you will love it.
Vikram

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Online Help

[Doug]

Is that the version with the built-in GPS?

(grin)

--Doug

On 4/12/06, vikram chugh  wrote:
> Hey,
> I just started using WebWorks AutoMap2003 Platinium
> Edition. It really save you a lot of time because as
> the name suggests styles are automatically mapped. Try
> it I'm sure you will love it.

How to remove the alphabetical breaks?

[Joe Malin]

FM has two ways of numbering.

The first is letter:
The second is <><><>, etc.

==

In the first, the letter identifies a sequence. All the autonumbering
formats with the same sequence relate to each other. So, if you do

A: for paragraph format "foo", do A: for paragraph format
"bar", and then tag two successive paragraphs with "foo" and then "bar",
the first paragraph starts with 1. and the second starts with 2.

But if you do foo A: and bar B:, then foo will start at 1. but
bar will start with one more than the last usage of bar.

This allows you to assign different sequences of numbers to different
entities in your book. You can have one sequence for lists, another for
tables, a third for figures, and so forth.

==

The second uses the string of <> as placeholders. If the <> is empty,
you don't see anything. If you put  then the sequence in that
position is incremented. If you put  then you get the same value as
the previous paragraph tag.

You can use this for MILSPEC/paragraph numbering, that is, ..
will yield something like 1.1.1

This is documented in the online help, but may be difficult to find.

Much praise goes to Barbara Ash for teaching me this.


Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-

Okay, this brings up a point that has always puzzled me about numbering.
The help on this just isn't very helpful, and I don't understand what
the things inside the <> mean. I've gone to the Numbering tab on
paragraph formats with one tab and then a number/letter, and seen
something like <0><0><0><0><0>. What does it mean? I think it would
really help me to set up paragraphs the way I want them if I understood
this function.

Anne

Subject: Content Management

[Joe Malin]

This *has* to be expensive, based on the fact that the price isn't
listed on the website! :)

My observation stands: free takes work, no work takes money. Alas, the
money solution may *still* take work.


Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:07 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; jlight at pillardata.com
Subject: Subject: Content Management

Hello JIm,

have a look at www.doczone.com


Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl
DTP and XML Management

Changing Attribute Types

[Lynne A. Price]

At 03:04 PM 4/7/2006, Grinnell Larry-ELG001 wrote:
>Changing attribute types: Frame 7.0 Structured Developer's guide states
>that without a Read/Write rule, Frame changes all NMTOKENS attribute
>types to Strings on import then changes all Strings attribute types to
>CDATA types on export (pages 248-249).
>
>I need to ensure certain attribute values are NMTOKENS type on export
>but I can't get the following argument (from page 425) to work in my R/W
>rules: nmtokens attribute "Role" is fm Strings attribute;


Larry,
   If you are trying to ensure that the attribute values are valid name 
tokens, FM validation won't help. Thus, if you include a character in the 
value of a FM Strings attribute that is not permitted in an XML NMTOKEN 
attribute, the validation error will not be reported until you export the 
FM document to XML. Nor will FM attempt to correct the error. You could use 
the FDK either to validate the attribute as you edit, or to transform it.

   Given a rule of the form:

   xmldv attribute "attname" is fm fmtype attribute;

FM is supposed to use xmldv when generating a DTD from an EDD and fmtype 
when generating an EDD from a DTD. Thus, you can have an XML NMTOKENS 
attribute correspond to a FM String attribute instead of the default 
Strings, or an XML CDATA attribute correspond to an FM unique-id attribute. 
The particular rule you have quoted:

   nmtokens attribute "Role" is fm Strings attribute ;

should not change the default processing when creating an EDD from a DTD, 
since FM creates a Strings attribute from a NMTOKENS attribute without a 
rule. When creating a DTD from an EDD, though, the default is to create a 
CDATA attribute from a Strings attribute. Doing so ensures that all valid 
FM attribute values will correspond to valid XML attributes. However, it 
can prevent an accurate round-trip since when a CDATA attribute is mapped 
to a Strings attribute, the entire XML attribute value is treated as a 
single string. The above rule or the simpler form:

   nmtokens attribute "Role" is fm attribute ;

should declare the XML attribute as NMTOKENS instead.

However, I've been doing some testing with FM 7.2p158 on Windows. It 
reports a syntax error at the keyword nmtokens and nmtoken. Furthermore, 
other possible values of xmldv seem to have no effect on the resulting DTD.

When creating an EDD from a DTD, all possible values of fmtype seem to be 
processed correctly except "string" which has no effect.

 --Lynne

Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
lprice at txstruct.com http://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505   cell phone: (510) 421-2284  

OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[David Bills]

Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the manual 
CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall have 
Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by using 
the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but didn't find 
any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs directly from the 
CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this information on Adobe's 
site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills

Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Joanne Curme]

They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
for and download the right version of Reader.

Joanne 


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[mailto:framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
David Bills
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills
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Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Joanne Curme]

Oops! That'll teach me to half-read before replying. :) 


Joanne 


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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
for and download the right version of Reader.

Joanne 


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David Bills
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

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Exporting RTF or MIF from InDesign

[Diane Gaskill]

Right you are Hedley.  And the rumor mill would begin spinning again.
BTW, I wondered how you spelled Viincent's villainous laugh.  Now I know.

Diane

-Original Message-
>From: hedley.finger at myob.com
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 6:37 PM
>To: framers at omsys.com, framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Exporting RTF or MIF from InDesign
>
>Of course, if export to FM from InDesign was implemented, certain 
>wild-eyed types would immediately assume that Adobe were going to 
>discontinue InDesign in favour of FrameMaker. 
>Moo-err-h-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! [think Vincent Price].
>--
>Hedley Finger
>Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
>MYOB Australia 
>P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
>12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia
>
>Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558
>
>? MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2006
>___
>
>

Exporting RTF or MIF from InDesign

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Alan (and Hedley):

ID 2.x did export HTML, but later releases do not! There's an export 
"package" option for GoLive, but it's not HTML.

There are free scripts available at the Adobe Studio and InDesign 
User-to-User Forum that can export all stories in a file as RTF or 
text. You can export an ID file as XML, but you need to assign XML 
element tags to each object and story to do this.

Your suggestion to export as PDF and convert PDF to RTF is a 
reasonable workaround.

At 1:43 PM +1200 4/13/06, Alan Litchfield wrote:
>From http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/indesign_508.html
>
>"Adobe InDesign 2.0 enables users to convert InDesign documents into
>text-based formats, such as Rich Text Format (RTF), Hypertext Markup Language
>(HTML), eXtensible Markup Language (XML), and plain text (TXT). These formats
>can be accessed using standard tools, such as word processors."
>
>Of course, when one tries to do this by going File > Export...
>
>Well, here's the secret. Select the Text tool and the text frame you want to
>export to rtf. Go File > Export and hey presto. Instead of the usual PDF, etc.
>options, you now have a whole bunch of text related export options.
>
>But, you are only going to export the text flow you have selected ;)
>
>Option B. How about exporting to PDF, then saving from Acrobat as RTF?
>
>Cheers
>Alan
>
>>  All:
>>
>>  A colleague wants to know whether there is any way of exporting text
>>  content and graphics from InDesign to FrameMaker (either as binary FM or
>>  MIF).  Otherwise, export to Word or Rich Text Format (RTF) may have to
>>  suffice.  I've not used InDesign, so can't comment.
>>
>>  You would think this was easy as both InDesign and FrameMaker are Adobe
>  > products, but a visit to Adobe's site was not very informative.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Diane Gaskill]

Dave, 

I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version of Acrobat 
Reader.
I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire tree to a 
CD.  It
worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of its products
and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current version of 
Acrobat.
But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on a Windows 
system
so there was no question regarding platforms.

I would expect that whoever wrote the RFP has no question about platfrms, and 
since
you are documenting the software, that you already know exactly what platform 
the
users will have.

Incidentally, I also included a readme.txt file on the CD that provided the 
link to the Acrobat Reader
page on Adobe's website in case the users ran into any problems with the 
installed application.  But
to my knowledge, no one ever did.

HTH

Diane Gaskill


-Original Message-
>From: Alan Litchfield 
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 6:22 PM
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install software
>on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.
>
>Seems to me:
>1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the requirements
>of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
>2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be run on
>one platform.
>3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often integrated
>with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program that has not
>been installed into that environment.
>
>Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open and
>display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they need, like
>bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are distributing for.
>
>Cheers
>Alan
>
>Joanne Curme said:
>> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
>> CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
>> situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
>> right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
>> for and download the right version of Reader.
>>
>> Joanne
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> David Bills
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
>> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
>> have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
>> using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Dave Bills
>> ___

Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Peter Gold]

If there's no information on running Reader from a CD-ROM on the 
Adobe site, and it's not mentioned in the license, and no mention 
especially in the distribution requirements, it's a good bet that 
Adobe doesn't want their product to be distributed this way, even if 
it runs. Although Reader is free, it's not without licence 
requirements.

HTH


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices


Dave asked:

>  >> I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>  >> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>  >> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>  >> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>  >>
>  >> Thanks in advance,
>  >>
>  >> Dave Bills

Diane replied:

At 9:07 PM -0700 4/12/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:
>Dave,
>
>I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version 
>of Acrobat Reader.
>I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire 
>tree to a CD.  It
>worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of 
>its products
>and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current 
>version of Acrobat.
>But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on 
>a Windows system
>so there was no question regarding platforms.

MORE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Diane Gaskill]

I forgot to mention that if Acrobat Reader is already installed on a user's 
system, it does not matter what platform it is.  Any PDF file can be read by 
any version of Acrobat Reader, the same way an FM file is portable across W, U, 
and M platforms.  BTW, I do not mean any release of PDF can be read by any 
release of Reader.  For example, I don't think you can open a PDF 1.5 file with 
Acrobat Reader 3.0. 

- Diane

-Original Message-
>From: Diane Gaskill 
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 9:07 PM
>To: alan at alphabyte.co.nz, framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>Dave, 
>
>I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version of Acrobat 
>Reader.
>I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire tree to a 
>CD.  It
>worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of its 
>products
>and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current version of 
>Acrobat.
>But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on a Windows 
>system
>so there was no question regarding platforms.
>
>I would expect that whoever wrote the RFP has no question about platfrms, and 
>since
>you are documenting the software, that you already know exactly what platform 
>the
>users will have.
>
>Incidentally, I also included a readme.txt file on the CD that provided the 
>link to the Acrobat Reader
>page on Adobe's website in case the users ran into any problems with the 
>installed application.  But
>to my knowledge, no one ever did.
>
>HTH
>
>Diane Gaskill
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Alan Litchfield 
>>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 6:22 PM
>>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>
>>Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install software
>>on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.
>>
>>Seems to me:
>>1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the requirements
>>of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
>>2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be run on
>>one platform.
>>3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often integrated
>>with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program that has not
>>been installed into that environment.
>>
>>Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open and
>>display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they need, like
>>bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are distributing for.
>>
>>Cheers
>>Alan
>>
>>Joanne Curme said:
>>> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
>>> CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
>>> situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
>>> right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
>>> for and download the right version of Reader.
>>>
>>> Joanne
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com
>>> [mailto:framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of
>>> David Bills
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
>>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
>>> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
>>> have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
>>> using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>>> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>>> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>>> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Dave Bills
>>> ___
>
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Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Diane Gaskill]

When I installed Reader on the CD as I described previously, I called Adobe and 
asked if it was ok to do it that way.  I was assured that it was fine.  All 
they wanted was to make sure that we did not change any of their files.  But 
again, that was several years ago.  It's probably a good idea to call Adobe and 
ask.

Diane

-Original Message-
>From: Peter Gold 
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 9:32 PM
>To: Diane Gaskill , alan at alphabyte.co.nz, 
>framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>If there's no information on running Reader from a CD-ROM on the 
>Adobe site, and it's not mentioned in the license, and no mention 
>especially in the distribution requirements, it's a good bet that 
>Adobe doesn't want their product to be distributed this way, even if 
>it runs. Although Reader is free, it's not without licence 
>requirements.
>
>HTH
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Peter Gold
>KnowHow ProServices
>
>
>Dave asked:
>
>>  >> I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>>  >> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>>  >> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>>  >> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>  >>
>>  >> Thanks in advance,
>>  >>
>>  >> Dave Bills
>
>Diane replied:
>
>At 9:07 PM -0700 4/12/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:
>>Dave,
>>
>>I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version 
>>of Acrobat Reader.
>>I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire 
>>tree to a CD.  It
>>worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of 
>>its products
>>and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current 
>>version of Acrobat.
>>But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on 
>>a Windows system
>>so there was no question regarding platforms.
>

Subject: Content Management

[Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\)]

Hello JIm,

have a look at www.doczone.com


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RE: another questions on XML import

[Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\)]

Hello Lynn,

Could the 'Entity Locations' (element < Entities>) in the Structapps file be 
used to point to the Public entity files?

Or in stead of defining separate entitys, use general pointer in the DTD, like



My problem is that I working with 'legacy' XML files that sre created by 
different resources. Sometimes escape sequences are used for characters (like 
⟨). I don't want to make separate entrys for each occurence as long as 
they are following the (XML)standards.


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Onderwerp: Re: another questions on XML import 


At 01:20 AM 4/11/2006, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote:
>If the error message:  " Message: Entity 'lang' was not found " appears, 
>and the entity has been defined in the rules file, what can be wrong? Do I 
>need an extra pointer in the DTD for these entitys?
>
>I defined the entity (entity "⟨" is fm char "[";) before the #include 
>"isoall.rw"  statement.

Wim,
   You must declare the entity in the DTD as well as supporting it with a 
read/write rule:

  

Furthermore, the name of the entity is "lang"; the leading & and closing ; 
delimit the entity reference from surrounding text. Therefore, the r/w rule 
you need is:

  entity "lang" is fm char "[";

Hope this helps,

 --Lynne



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How to remove the alphabetical breaks?

[Cao Ye (Meg Cao)]

Hi, all,

When I use standard index automation in FrameMaker, the alphabetical breaks
will be generated automaticlly like following:
A
alone
apple

B
boy
.
.
.
Can I remove the "A" ot "B" such alphabetical breaks to make the index like

alone
apple

boy
.
.
.

Thanks
-Meg
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questions on XML import

[Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\)]

Continuing with my legacy XML documents

If the error :  Unknown Char: ※  appears on import, does that mean that 
FrameMaker can't read the Uncicode character - even if it's available in the 
rules file as:
entity "#x203B" is fm char "*";

Note: in the XML it is a Japanese asterix.

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Onderwerp: Re: questions on XML export 


At 01:27 AM 4/5/2006, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote:
>Just two quick questions (FM 7.x , Windows).


Wim,
   Asking the questions may have been quick, but I'm afraid the answers 
aren't as quick as you might think. See below!


>1. After exporting to XML the Import of the same document gives validation 
>error:
>Message: Notation 'epsi' was referenced but never declared
>Where should this be declared, in the EDD, DTD or Rules file? On export 
>FrameMaker generates the notation:
>
>


   The notation should be declared in the DTD; either in the external 
subset (the file often referred to as the DTD), or in the internal subset 
at the beginning of the document. Given the two lines you quote (the 
comment and the notation declaration), FM has done just that on export. 
Unless you have removed that line on import, I don't see why you are 
getting an error message.

   By the way, as I write this, I have no Internet connection and can't 
check, but if my memory is correct, XML public identifiers require a system 
identifier. Although FM does not report an error given:



I believe it is incorrect and should be at least:



I suggest you avoid the issue by adding:



to your DTD.

   And here is some relevant background. When you export a document that 
uses a notation that is not declared in the DTD, FM generates a notation 
declaration such as:



in the internal subset. Whenever you open an XML document that has notation 
or entity declaration sin the internal subset, FM uses a reference page 
called Entity Declarations to save enough information to regenerate those 
declarations. Information about notation declarations is saved in a 
three-column table. The notation name goes in the first column, the public 
identifier in the second, and the system identifier in the third. The table 
does not distinguish a system identifier that is present but contains no 
characters from one that doesn't appear. When both columns 2 and 3 are 
empty, it generates a public identifier, so the imported:



is exported as:



Again, avoid the issue by declaring the notation in your EDD.


>2. When exporting to XML, the reference to DTD is stored with full path 
>info: ///E:/vijay/KOM107C-XML/FMApp/komori.dtd" - how can I make FM store only 
>the DTD name, without full path? The XML files need to be processed on 
>different systems that don't have access to the same server.

Good news, bad news on this one. There is a r/w rule that I believe should 
do what you want:

writer {external dtd is "komori.dtd";}

Unfortunately, FM assumes that the specified file exists in the same folder 
as the FM file being saved. Thus, the rule works if you save the XML file 
to that folder. Suppose, however, that you have a main project folder with 
two subfolders, one called fm and once called xml. If your FM file is in 
the fm subfolder, and you save it as ..\xml\output.xml. FM uses 
..\xml\komori.dtd as the external identifier. Since there's no need to 
store the DTD there, such a file is not likely to exist. Short of using a 
custom FDK client, the workaround is to keep both FM and XML versions in 
the same folder.

 --Lynne



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Re: How to remove the alphabetical breaks?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Meg,

Navigate to the IX reference page in your index. Find the paragraph that is 
tagged GroupTitlesIX. Delete the contents of the paragraph, but don't delete 
the paragraph itself; in other words, the GroupTitlesIX paragraph should be 
blank. Save the document and regenerate the Index and your group titles will 
be gone.


Rick Quatro
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Hi, all,

When I use standard index automation in FrameMaker, the alphabetical 
breaks

will be generated automaticlly like following:
A
alone
apple

B
boy
.
.
.
Can I remove the "A" ot "B" such alphabetical breaks to make the index 
like


alone
apple

boy
.
.
.

Thanks
-Meg
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Re: How to remove the alphabetical breaks?

[Shlomo Perets]

Meg,

You wrote:


When I use standard index automation in FrameMaker, the alphabetical breaks
will be generated automaticlly like following:
A
alone
apple

B
boy
.
.
.
Can I remove the "A" ot "B" such alphabetical breaks to make the index like

alone
apple

boy
.
.


Yes. To have space but no text above each group, set up the GroupTitlesIX 
in the IX Flow on the index reference page as follows:
[\ 
];[0];[A];[B];[C];[D];[E];[F];[G];[H];[I];[J];[K];[L];[M];[N];[O];[P];[Q];[R];[S];[T];[U];[V];[W];[X];[Y];[Z] 




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RE: How to remove the alphabetical breaks?

[Anne Robotti]

> Yes. To have space but no text above each group, set up the
GroupTitlesIX
> in the IX Flow on the index reference page as follows:
> [\
>
];[0];[A];[B];[C];[D];[E];[F];[G];[H];[I];[J];[K];[L];[M];[N];[O];[P];[Q
];
> [R];[S];[T];[U];[V];[W];[X];[Y];[Z]

Okay, this brings up a point that has always puzzled me about numbering.
The help on this just isn't very helpful, and I don't understand what
the things inside the <> mean. I've gone to the Numbering tab on
paragraph formats with one tab and then a number/letter, and seen
something like <0><0><0><0><0>. What does it mean? I think it would
really help me to set up paragraphs the way I want them if I understood
this function.

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OT: Translation Services

[Gillian Flato]

Hey guys,
 
We are looking for a translation house to translate some of our docs
into Japanese and Korean. Who do you guys use? If any of you are
really happy with your translation company, please email me privately
with the company name and your contact's information.
 
We need to get at least three competitive quotes before we can pick a
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If you want, we will mention your name as the reference when we call
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We also don't care where in the world the company is located.
 
 
 
 

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RE:Online Help

[vikram chugh]

Hey,
I just started using WebWorks AutoMap2003 Platinium
Edition. It really save you a lot of time because as
the name suggests styles are automatically mapped. Try
it I'm sure you will love it.
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Re: Online Help

[Doug]

Is that the version with the built-in GPS?

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RE: How to remove the alphabetical breaks?

[Joe Malin]

FM has two ways of numbering.

The first is letter:
The second is <><><>, etc.

==

In the first, the letter identifies a sequence. All the autonumbering
formats with the same sequence relate to each other. So, if you do

A: for paragraph format "foo", do A: for paragraph format
"bar", and then tag two successive paragraphs with "foo" and then "bar",
the first paragraph starts with 1. and the second starts with 2.

But if you do foo A: and bar B:, then foo will start at 1. but
bar will start with one more than the last usage of bar.

This allows you to assign different sequences of numbers to different
entities in your book. You can have one sequence for lists, another for
tables, a third for figures, and so forth.

==

The second uses the string of <> as placeholders. If the <> is empty,
you don't see anything. If you put  then the sequence in that
position is incremented. If you put  then you get the same value as
the previous paragraph tag.

You can use this for MILSPEC/paragraph numbering, that is, ..
will yield something like 1.1.1

This is documented in the online help, but may be difficult to find.

Much praise goes to Barbara Ash for teaching me this.


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-Original Message-

Okay, this brings up a point that has always puzzled me about numbering.
The help on this just isn't very helpful, and I don't understand what
the things inside the <> mean. I've gone to the Numbering tab on
paragraph formats with one tab and then a number/letter, and seen
something like <0><0><0><0><0>. What does it mean? I think it would
really help me to set up paragraphs the way I want them if I understood
this function.

Anne
 
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RE: Subject: Content Management

[Joe Malin]

This *has* to be expensive, based on the fact that the price isn't
listed on the website! :)

My observation stands: free takes work, no work takes money. Alas, the
money solution may *still* take work.


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have a look at www.doczone.com


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Re: Changing Attribute Types

[Lynne A. Price]

At 03:04 PM 4/7/2006, Grinnell Larry-ELG001 wrote:

Changing attribute types: Frame 7.0 Structured Developer's guide states
that without a Read/Write rule, Frame changes all NMTOKENS attribute
types to Strings on import then changes all Strings attribute types to
CDATA types on export (pages 248-249).

I need to ensure certain attribute values are NMTOKENS type on export
but I can't get the following argument (from page 425) to work in my R/W
rules: nmtokens attribute "Role" is fm Strings attribute;



Larry,
  If you are trying to ensure that the attribute values are valid name 
tokens, FM validation won't help. Thus, if you include a character in the 
value of a FM Strings attribute that is not permitted in an XML NMTOKEN 
attribute, the validation error will not be reported until you export the 
FM document to XML. Nor will FM attempt to correct the error. You could use 
the FDK either to validate the attribute as you edit, or to transform it.


  Given a rule of the form:

  xmldv attribute "attname" is fm fmtype attribute;

FM is supposed to use xmldv when generating a DTD from an EDD and fmtype 
when generating an EDD from a DTD. Thus, you can have an XML NMTOKENS 
attribute correspond to a FM String attribute instead of the default 
Strings, or an XML CDATA attribute correspond to an FM unique-id attribute. 
The particular rule you have quoted:


  nmtokens attribute "Role" is fm Strings attribute ;

should not change the default processing when creating an EDD from a DTD, 
since FM creates a Strings attribute from a NMTOKENS attribute without a 
rule. When creating a DTD from an EDD, though, the default is to create a 
CDATA attribute from a Strings attribute. Doing so ensures that all valid 
FM attribute values will correspond to valid XML attributes. However, it 
can prevent an accurate round-trip since when a CDATA attribute is mapped 
to a Strings attribute, the entire XML attribute value is treated as a 
single string. The above rule or the simpler form:


  nmtokens attribute "Role" is fm attribute ;

should declare the XML attribute as NMTOKENS instead.

However, I've been doing some testing with FM 7.2p158 on Windows. It 
reports a syntax error at the keyword nmtokens and nmtoken. Furthermore, 
other possible values of xmldv seem to have no effect on the resulting DTD.


When creating an EDD from a DTD, all possible values of fmtype seem to be 
processed correctly except "string" which has no effect.


--Lynne

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OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[David Bills]

Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the manual 
CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall have 
Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by using 
the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but didn't find 
any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs directly from the 
CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this information on Adobe's 
site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

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RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Joanne Curme]

They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
for and download the right version of Reader.

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Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

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RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Joanne Curme]

Oops! That'll teach me to half-read before replying. :) 


Joanne 


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They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
for and download the right version of Reader.

Joanne 


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Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills
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Exporting RTF or MIF from InDesign

[hedley . finger]

All:

A colleague wants to know whether there is any way of exporting text 
content and graphics from InDesign to FrameMaker (either as binary FM or 
MIF).  Otherwise, export to Word or Rich Text Format (RTF) may have to 
suffice.  I've not used InDesign, so can't comment.

You would think this was easy as both InDesign and FrameMaker are Adobe 
products, but a visit to Adobe's site was not very informative.

Regards,
Hedley

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MYOB Australia 
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RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Alan Litchfield]

Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install software
on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.

Seems to me:
1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the requirements
of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be run on
one platform.
3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often integrated
with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program that has not
been installed into that environment.

Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open and
display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they need, like
bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are distributing for.

Cheers
Alan

Joanne Curme said:
> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
> CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
> situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
> right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
> for and download the right version of Reader.
>
> Joanne
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> David Bills
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
> have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
> using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave Bills
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Re: Exporting RTF or MIF from InDesign

[Alan Litchfield]

>From http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/indesign_508.html

"Adobe InDesign 2.0 enables users to convert InDesign documents into
text-based formats, such as Rich Text Format (RTF), Hypertext Markup Language
(HTML), eXtensible Markup Language (XML), and plain text (TXT). These formats
can be accessed using standard tools, such as word processors."

Of course, when one tries to do this by going File > Export...

Well, here's the secret. Select the Text tool and the text frame you want to
export to rtf. Go File > Export and hey presto. Instead of the usual PDF, etc.
options, you now have a whole bunch of text related export options.

But, you are only going to export the text flow you have selected ;)

Option B. How about exporting to PDF, then saving from Acrobat as RTF?

Cheers
Alan

> All:
>
> A colleague wants to know whether there is any way of exporting text
> content and graphics from InDesign to FrameMaker (either as binary FM or
> MIF).  Otherwise, export to Word or Rich Text Format (RTF) may have to
> suffice.  I've not used InDesign, so can't comment.
>
> You would think this was easy as both InDesign and FrameMaker are Adobe
> products, but a visit to Adobe's site was not very informative.
>
> Regards,
> Hedley
>
> --
> Hedley Finger
> Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
> MYOB Australia 
> P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
> 12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia
> 
> Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558
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Re: Exporting RTF or MIF from InDesign

[hedley . finger]

Of course, if export to FM from InDesign was implemented, certain 
wild-eyed types would immediately assume that Adobe were going to 
discontinue InDesign in favour of FrameMaker. 
Moo-err-h-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! [think Vincent Price].
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Exporting RTF or MIF from InDesign

[Diane Gaskill]

Right you are Hedley.  And the rumor mill would begin spinning again.
BTW, I wondered how you spelled Viincent's villainous laugh.  Now I know.

Diane

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>
>Of course, if export to FM from InDesign was implemented, certain 
>wild-eyed types would immediately assume that Adobe were going to 
>discontinue InDesign in favour of FrameMaker. 
>Moo-err-h-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! [think Vincent Price].
>--
>Hedley Finger
>Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
>MYOB Australia 
>P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
>12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia
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Re: Exporting RTF or MIF from InDesign

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Alan (and Hedley):

ID 2.x did export HTML, but later releases do not! There's an export 
"package" option for GoLive, but it's not HTML.


There are free scripts available at the Adobe Studio and InDesign 
User-to-User Forum that can export all stories in a file as RTF or 
text. You can export an ID file as XML, but you need to assign XML 
element tags to each object and story to do this.


Your suggestion to export as PDF and convert PDF to RTF is a 
reasonable workaround.


At 1:43 PM +1200 4/13/06, Alan Litchfield wrote:

From http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/indesign_508.html

"Adobe InDesign 2.0 enables users to convert InDesign documents into
text-based formats, such as Rich Text Format (RTF), Hypertext Markup Language
(HTML), eXtensible Markup Language (XML), and plain text (TXT). These formats
can be accessed using standard tools, such as word processors."

Of course, when one tries to do this by going File > Export...

Well, here's the secret. Select the Text tool and the text frame you want to
export to rtf. Go File > Export and hey presto. Instead of the usual PDF, etc.
options, you now have a whole bunch of text related export options.

But, you are only going to export the text flow you have selected ;)

Option B. How about exporting to PDF, then saving from Acrobat as RTF?

Cheers
Alan


 All:

 A colleague wants to know whether there is any way of exporting text
 content and graphics from InDesign to FrameMaker (either as binary FM or
 MIF).  Otherwise, export to Word or Rich Text Format (RTF) may have to
 suffice.  I've not used InDesign, so can't comment.

 You would think this was easy as both InDesign and FrameMaker are Adobe

 > products, but a visit to Adobe's site was not very informative.


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

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RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Diane Gaskill]

Dave, 

I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version of Acrobat 
Reader.
I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire tree to a 
CD.  It
worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of its products
and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current version of 
Acrobat.
But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on a Windows 
system
so there was no question regarding platforms.

I would expect that whoever wrote the RFP has no question about platfrms, and 
since
you are documenting the software, that you already know exactly what platform 
the
users will have.

Incidentally, I also included a readme.txt file on the CD that provided the 
link to the Acrobat Reader
page on Adobe's website in case the users ran into any problems with the 
installed application.  But
to my knowledge, no one ever did.

HTH

Diane Gaskill


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>From: Alan Litchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 6:22 PM
>To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install software
>on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.
>
>Seems to me:
>1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the requirements
>of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
>2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be run on
>one platform.
>3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often integrated
>with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program that has not
>been installed into that environment.
>
>Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open and
>display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they need, like
>bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are distributing for.
>
>Cheers
>Alan
>
>Joanne Curme said:
>> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
>> CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
>> situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
>> right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
>> for and download the right version of Reader.
>>
>> Joanne
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> David Bills
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
>> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
>> have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
>> using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Dave Bills
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RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Peter Gold]

If there's no information on running Reader from a CD-ROM on the 
Adobe site, and it's not mentioned in the license, and no mention 
especially in the distribution requirements, it's a good bet that 
Adobe doesn't want their product to be distributed this way, even if 
it runs. Although Reader is free, it's not without licence 
requirements.


HTH


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices


Dave asked:


 >> I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
 >> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
 >> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
 >> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
 >>
 >> Thanks in advance,
 >>
 >> Dave Bills


Diane replied:

At 9:07 PM -0700 4/12/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:

Dave,

I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version 
of Acrobat Reader.
I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire 
tree to a CD.  It
worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of 
its products
and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current 
version of Acrobat.
But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on 
a Windows system

so there was no question regarding platforms.


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MORE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Diane Gaskill]

I forgot to mention that if Acrobat Reader is already installed on a user's 
system, it does not matter what platform it is.  Any PDF file can be read by 
any version of Acrobat Reader, the same way an FM file is portable across W, U, 
and M platforms.  BTW, I do not mean any release of PDF can be read by any 
release of Reader.  For example, I don't think you can open a PDF 1.5 file with 
Acrobat Reader 3.0. 

- Diane

-Original Message-
>From: Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 9:07 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>Dave, 
>
>I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version of Acrobat 
>Reader.
>I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire tree to a 
>CD.  It
>worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of its 
>products
>and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current version of 
>Acrobat.
>But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on a Windows 
>system
>so there was no question regarding platforms.
>
>I would expect that whoever wrote the RFP has no question about platfrms, and 
>since
>you are documenting the software, that you already know exactly what platform 
>the
>users will have.
>
>Incidentally, I also included a readme.txt file on the CD that provided the 
>link to the Acrobat Reader
>page on Adobe's website in case the users ran into any problems with the 
>installed application.  But
>to my knowledge, no one ever did.
>
>HTH
>
>Diane Gaskill
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Alan Litchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 6:22 PM
>>To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>
>>Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install software
>>on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.
>>
>>Seems to me:
>>1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the requirements
>>of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
>>2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be run on
>>one platform.
>>3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often integrated
>>with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program that has not
>>been installed into that environment.
>>
>>Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open and
>>display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they need, like
>>bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are distributing for.
>>
>>Cheers
>>Alan
>>
>>Joanne Curme said:
>>> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
>>> CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
>>> situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
>>> right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
>>> for and download the right version of Reader.
>>>
>>> Joanne
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>>> David Bills
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
>>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
>>> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
>>> have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
>>> using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>>> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>>> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>>> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Dave Bills
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RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

[Diane Gaskill]

When I installed Reader on the CD as I described previously, I called Adobe and 
asked if it was ok to do it that way.  I was assured that it was fine.  All 
they wanted was to make sure that we did not change any of their files.  But 
again, that was several years ago.  It's probably a good idea to call Adobe and 
ask.

Diane

-Original Message-
>From: Peter Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 9:32 PM
>To: Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
>framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>If there's no information on running Reader from a CD-ROM on the 
>Adobe site, and it's not mentioned in the license, and no mention 
>especially in the distribution requirements, it's a good bet that 
>Adobe doesn't want their product to be distributed this way, even if 
>it runs. Although Reader is free, it's not without licence 
>requirements.
>
>HTH
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Peter Gold
>KnowHow ProServices
>
>
>Dave asked:
>
>>  >> I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>>  >> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>>  >> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>>  >> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>  >>
>>  >> Thanks in advance,
>>  >>
>>  >> Dave Bills
>
>Diane replied:
>
>At 9:07 PM -0700 4/12/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:
>>Dave,
>>
>>I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version 
>>of Acrobat Reader.
>>I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire 
>>tree to a CD.  It
>>worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of 
>>its products
>>and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current 
>>version of Acrobat.
>>But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on 
>>a Windows system
>>so there was no question regarding platforms.
>

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