RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332 If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces documentation for the European countries I strongly recommend to update as soon as possible. Multiple Undo, numerous bug fixes and the XML related improvements are really a good basis for the future of Desktop Publishing with or without XML and be worth the upgrade costs. There really is no alternative to FrameMaker as for example the improvements of Word 2007 are for greeting card designers and not for the creation of technical documentation. If you agree to this perception you may keep cool in looking for the next Adobe FrameMaker updates. The most important point is: FrameMaker is living and Adobe now shows that the want to keep FrameMaker alive. If you take a look at all the great plug-ins and FrameScript Scripts for FrameMaker (best links: http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/ and http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/default.html then you will see: There really is no need to call into question the future of FrameMaker. Regards Dieter Gust Management RD itl - Institut für technische Literatur AG Tel.: +49 (089) 89 26 23 - 600 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.itl.de -- itl ideas * actions * solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:44 AM To: Alan Houser; Diane Gaskill Cc: framers@frameusers.com; Neil Tubb Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Diane Gaskill obviously does NOT have a reliable source inside Adobe. - Dov On Behalf Of Alan Houser Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: framers@frameusers.com; Neil Tubb Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like PageMaker and FrameMaker, I might speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. -Alan Diane Gaskill wrote: I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a couple of months. Diane -Original Message- From: lists.frameusers.com Behalf Of Neil Tubb Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
eps images dissappear after updating the eps
Hi, If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open the eps images and resave them in a more recent version that the original eps file (i use for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a previous version of illustrator) then some images just dissappear in the framemaker file. They are just gone, I need to import them again. The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all. Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this? Thanks! ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8
Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like PageMaker and FrameMaker, I might speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. Acrobat 8 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. I would imagine it will support importing/imbedding of Flash files. CS3 should be out around April 2007 due to the Windows Vista delay and the Macintosh Universal install. FrameMaker is anybody's guess, but I will say I'm unimpressed by the multiple undo feature in 7.2, and the upgrade pricing of the last few versions (7.0-to-7.1 and 7.1-to-7.2). I would like to see a discounted upgrade when only moving one notch up. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified (since 1995) for ALL Print and Web Publishing-related software Authorized Quark Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified Apple Certified Consultant (since 1990) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
Hi, This is an issue I have ocassionaly seen with FrameMaker over the years: sometimes the Top and Left offsets of an image will change when the image is refiltered. I have never been able to reproduce it on purpose and haven't seen it in Adobe's knowledge base. But I have seen it myself and have read posts from others who have encountered it. Someone mentioned the bounding box changing in the Illustrator file. But even if that were so, why whould the Top and Left offsets change? As usual, my solution is to use FrameScript to reposition the graphics in the anchored frames. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Hi, If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open the eps images and resave them in a more recent version that the original eps file (i use for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a previous version of illustrator) then some images just dissappear in the framemaker file. They are just gone, I need to import them again. The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all. Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this? Thanks! ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Automate Outline Object
All, Is there a way to automate putting an outline on a graphic object. (Other than using FrameScript which I don't have.) I can do this manually by selecting the object then the Tools Palette but I've got about 1200 graphic objects to modify. If not, I'll look at modifying the actual graphic to put a border on them. Thanks, Don. -- Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://wdtb.noaa.gov ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Automate Outline Object
Hi Don, FrameScript would certainly pay for itself with this job alone. If you decide to try it, here is the code to add a 1 point border to all of the imported graphics on body pages in the document. If ActiveDoc = 0 MsgBox 'There is no active document.'; LeaveSub; Else Run ProcessDoc oDoc(ActiveDoc); EndIf Sub ProcessDoc // Set oGraphic = oDoc.FirstGraphicInDoc; Loop While(oGraphic) // See if the graphic is an imported graphic. If oGraphic.ObjectName = 'Inset' // See if the graphic is on a body page. If oGraphic.Page.ObjectName = 'BodyPage' Set oGraphic.Pen = FillBlack; Set oGraphic.BorderWidth = 1pt; EndIf EndIf Set oGraphic = oGraphic.NextGraphicInDoc; EndLoop // EndSub Without FrameScript, you could save your documents as MIF and use a text editor to add the border. See the online MIF Reference for the syntax details. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com All, Is there a way to automate putting an outline on a graphic object. (Other than using FrameScript which I don't have.) I can do this manually by selecting the object then the Tools Palette but I've got about 1200 graphic objects to modify. If not, I'll look at modifying the actual graphic to put a border on them. Thanks, Don. -- Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://wdtb.noaa.gov ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I will reply on behalf of Adobe. (1) Diane Gaskill has no reliable source in Adobe that provided any release information. (2) Adobe has not and has no plans to move FrameMaker development back from India where in fact it is under active development. - Dov -Original Message- From: lists.frameusers.com On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:37 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Diane, Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very quietly, the FM development department is still (in exile?) in India. Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back to Adobe HQ? Art On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different topic. Diane ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. At this point, I don't know who really knows what and I'm inclined not to believe anything on this topic until I see the app on the screen. 'Nuff said. Diane == -Original Message- From: Max Dunn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:21 AM To: 'Diane Gaskill' Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? I know for a fact this is incorrect. Shouldn't spread this sort of rumor... Max -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:15 AM To: Neil Tubb; framers@frameusers.com Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a couple of months. Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Tubb Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Hi all, Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Neil ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/maxdunn%40siliconpublish ing.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- the cost of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker elsewhere. On the other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas, so the business profits at the expense of the host nation. I'm a bit more partial to my country than I am to any particular business that operates out of it. Tarage ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is between the two of you and your contacts, none of which speak for Adobe. Adobe has not communicated anything, so there is no communication problem. Right now, all the two of you have is rumors, and there is ALWAYS a communication problm with rumors. John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand I know of multiple specific instances of where outsourced projects were brought back and domestic developers were added back. John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Sounds like the communication problem is that insiders are leaking you unofficial information... Yikes!!! On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. At this point, I don't know who really knows what and I'm inclined not to believe anything on this topic until I see the app on the screen. 'Nuff said. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Not entirely correct re: outsourcing. There are many examples of companies cancelling their outsourced labor and bringing the work back into their home offices (I haven't the time or desire to cite, but there have been several articles in trade magazines over the past few months that attest to this). As with anything, if the benefit isn't there, the plan is aborted. I believe, though, that the FM work isn't outsourced but is actually housed by Adobe India - this is a very different thing, and I can see logic in this. Costs of workers is only a factor if the workers can deliver and if the communication is good. Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. Bill On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- the cost of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker elsewhere. On the other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas, so the business profits at the expense of the host nation. I'm a bit more partial to my country than I am to any particular business that operates out of it. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. From a business standpoint, sure, it's about value but is there really value in outsourcing, or is it just cheaper? I did a contract at a company that had outsourced its Tech Writing to India but after seeing how poorly the Indians wrote English, they brought TW back to America. Another company I worked at outsourced QA to Russia, bragging to us how they saved 50%. But guess what! The Russians took twice as long to do anything and many times, the quality was not as good, so there went there 50% savings. Not to mention the low morale around the office by the Americans who saw their jobs going overseas. Many people spent more time gossiping about whose job was going next than doing work. Many other people around the office were just pissed all the time, thereby lowering their productivity, and others left, thereby screwing the company since they were needed. For the government, it's a bad deal. They lose a lot of tax base when workers are laid off and don't pay as much in taxes, not to mention the loss in unemployment dollars they have to shell out. So I don't think it is such a great thing. -Gillian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Framers Subject: Re: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Not entirely correct re: outsourcing. There are many examples of companies cancelling their outsourced labor and bringing the work back into their home offices (I haven't the time or desire to cite, but there have been several articles in trade magazines over the past few months that attest to this). As with anything, if the benefit isn't there, the plan is aborted. I believe, though, that the FM work isn't outsourced but is actually housed by Adobe India - this is a very different thing, and I can see logic in this. Costs of workers is only a factor if the workers can deliver and if the communication is good. Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. Bill On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- the cost of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker elsewhere. On the other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas, so the business profits at the expense of the host nation. I'm a bit more partial to my country than I am to any particular business that operates out of it. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it. Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: CMYK problems
I have set up a whole-new black called New black, using 100 percent black only. Works great for us and our printers. -- Scott White Media Production Manager AlaMark Technologies 210-704-8239 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Daniel Osborn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:57:59 +0200 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: CMYK problems Hi, I have some questions about creating pdf files for a printer. To try and get it right, I'm currently doing the following: 1. Only use cmyk .eps images. 2. Set GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK to 'Printing' 3. Save as pdf rather than print to pdf. 4. Convert the resulting pdf to cmyk using Quite a box of tricks. I use save as pdf because I found that the images lost a lot of quality when the pdf was converted to cmyk, although I think this may have been before I started using .eps images. The files I generated have been printed with very good results. Many thanks to everyone on the list who helped me get to this stage when I first had to produce a file for a printer. I'm now delivering to a different printer and they don't like the colours in the pdf. The images are not a problem, it's the colours used for text, thumb tabs and shading in tables. In FM, the colours are defined like this: Black K 100% Red M 90% Y 86% GreyK 30% And I have some text in an .eps image which is defined as K 100%. In the pdf the colours have these values: Black C 75% M 68% Y 67% B 90% Red C 3%M 100% Y 100% GreyC 21% M 16% Y 16% And the black text in the .eps image is C 75% M 69% Y 62% B 75% The printer is saying that the 'black' text will come out as a muddy brown with misregistration issues (not sure what that means) and he is also not happy with the other colours. I used the Output preview tool in Acrobat Pro 7 to get these figures (and so did the printer). I've tried printing to pdf with the same result and also changing GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK to None, with the same result. Can anyone help me with this? I can understand that some colours will change slightly but I don't understand why black comes out like this and also why the black in an .eps image has changed so much. I'm also a little confused that the last printer didn't have any problems with the files, at least none that he told me about. I'm using Framemaker 7.2p158. The printer suggested I use FM 6 on the Mac instead... Thanks, Daniel Daniel Osborn | Technical Writer | TomTom | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +31 (0) 20 8500 934 office This e-mail message contains information which is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for use by the addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee, we request that you notify the sender immediately and delete or destroy this e-mail message and any attachment(s), without copying, saving, forwarding, disclosing or using its contents in any other way. TomTom N.V., TomTom International BV or any other company belonging to the TomTom group of companies will not be liable for damage relating to the communication by e-mail of data, documents or any other information. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/swhite%40alamark.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Yes but the companies are not strictly accountable to the consumer, but rather to the shareholders. And shareholders rarely complain about greater profits. ljk ___ Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/16/2006 02:02:08 PM: Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it. Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers. com/mailman/options/framers/laura_j_kirk%40bd.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. - ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR RECIPIENTS IN THE U.S.A: This message may constitute an advertisement of BD group's products or services or a solicitation of interest in them. If this is such a message and you would like to opt out of receiving future advertisements or solicitations from this BD group, please forward this e-mail to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This message (which includes any attachments) is intended only for the designated recipient(s). It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient, you may not review, use, copy or distribute this message. If you received this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank You ** Corporate Headquarters Mailing Address: BD (Becton, Dickinson and Company) 1 Becton Drive Franklin Lakes, NJ 07417 U.S.A. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals
Guys, When you write a Technical Manual do you number heads and sections with 1.1, 1.2, 1.2.1 etc. I have a manual which is essentially an API and it's numbered that way. It looks very cluttered to me. By taking that out and using conventional styles, it has an easier UI to me. What's the general consensus on numbering with the 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.2 type of way? Is that generally history now, or is it actually still used a lot? Thanks, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) NANOmetrics, Inc. 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.435.9600 x 316 7 408.232.5911 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals
I think it's still mostly used in environments where the manuals are written to a standard that requires it: MilSpec, BellCore, whatever In civilian docs, I think it's largely faded away. Art On 5/16/06, Gillian Flato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, snip What's the general consensus on numbering with the 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.2 type of way? Is that generally history now, or is it actually still used a lot? -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Outsourcing
--- Anne Robotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it. == So, you seem to be saying that it requires no research whatsoever to firmly conclude that outsourcing does not resule in savings to the consumer, but you demand firm research to prove that it does save the consumer money. Rubbish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Bureeda opines: And I agree that I don't see a lot of profits passed on to consumers (refer to your local gas pump for more info). To me this gets us back to the original proposition, that the loss of jobs can be compensated by an increase in value. Not always of course, as one or more others argue, but in a thriving economy (like the one we're now witnessing in our off-shoring society), that's more likely than not to happen. As for profits lining owner's pockets, that's not such a bad thing when you own a share or more of the company as many of our neighbors do. That makes ownership a good thing, as more than one politician insists. Let's not lose sight of the fact that value has many meanings, one of which is the best compromise between quality and price. For given quality if the business lowers the cost, it enhances the value to the consumer. And what's wrong with benefiting consumers? ~ Bill ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, sure, but what about us writers? We won't be very appreciative of the trick if we're reduced to slinging hash at McDonalds. And if it reduces us to fry cooks, you'd be hard pressed to convince us it *isn't* an evil. I argue that if you are reduced to slinging hash then you didn't do your due diligence to keep yourself marketable and desirable. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Staying Marketable, WAS: Outsourcing
Well, since I brought it up, I'll start... I stay on top of technology and trends and apply what makes sense in my daily work. What I can't apply at work, I keep on top of at home. I started out a technophobe in college, and now I've got my hands inside a .NET SDK and am fixing nightly build issues, all while still writing everything from end-user GUI docs to developer references. I also have a strong interest and insight, directly or indirectly, into localization and internationalization, quality assurance, usability, project management, people management, development, marketing, and client relations. You need to keep moving. Ever see what happens to a stagnant pond? On 5/16/06, Anne Robotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a big puzzle, and one for which there is no easy solution. However, that doesn't mean it's our place to sit around and mope about it. What is everyone doing to remain marketable in this changing economic and commercial landscape? This, to me, is worth going a little off topic for a discussion. I'm interested in the answers. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals
I think you are right Art. The basic reason for this structure was to enable easy reference/navigation to specific entries. As we move further away from dead tree versions, the need for this kind of user-observable structuring is fading. OTOH, I think one could argue that the rise of XML and other markup languages is incresing the demand for this kind (as in nature) of item marking is becoming ever more prevalent. Grant What makes a master is not physical skill alone but mental clarity, emotional maturity, and spiritual awareness. --Tom Callos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:20 PM To: Gillian Flato Cc: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Re: Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals I think it's still mostly used in environments where the manuals are written to a standard that requires it: MilSpec, BellCore, whatever In civilian docs, I think it's largely faded away. Art On 5/16/06, Gillian Flato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, snip What's the general consensus on numbering with the 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.2 type of way? Is that generally history now, or is it actually still used a lot? -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals
I do number, but never below a fourth level (1.2.3.4). I am not required to do so by spec or policy. I personally find when I read long manuals (e.g. a camcorder, digital camera, etc.) that when it is not numbered, I do not assimilate data as well because I lose the hierarchy of information. I need a structure into which to save information. Thus, for my readers who may be similarly wired, I number the paragraphs. For those who don't need numbering, I doubt any find their understanding of the material to be harmed by the presence of paragraph numbers. So it seems, pretty much, win-win to use para. numbering. The one exception was a manual that we were submitting for a CLIA waiver. It had to be written to a 7th grade level, and I used exaggerated font size changes to indicate paragraph levels (e.g. top level was 48 pt., second level was 24 pt., third level was 14 pt., and there was no fourth level). ljk ___ Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. Gillian Flato [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/2006 03:09 PM To framers@frameusers.com cc Subject Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals Guys, When you write a Technical Manual do you number heads and sections with 1.1, 1.2, 1.2.1 etc. I have a manual which is essentially an API and it's numbered that way. It looks very cluttered to me. By taking that out and using conventional styles, it has an easier UI to me. What's the general consensus on numbering with the 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.2 type of way? Is that generally history now, or is it actually still used a lot? Thanks, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) NANOmetrics, Inc. 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.435.9600 x 316 7 408.232.5911 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/laura_j_kirk%40bd.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. - ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR RECIPIENTS IN THE U.S.A: This message may constitute an advertisement of BD group's products or services or a solicitation of interest in them. If this is such a message and you would like to opt out of receiving future advertisements or solicitations from this BD group, please forward this e-mail to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This message (which includes any attachments) is intended only for the designated recipient(s). It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient, you may not review, use, copy or distribute this message. If you received this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank You ** Corporate Headquarters Mailing Address: BD (Becton, Dickinson and Company) 1 Becton Drive Franklin Lakes, NJ 07417 U.S.A. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Non-printing Colors Insist on Printing!
I've got some text that I need to cross-reference in a TOC, but I don't want it to print in the document where it resides. I've been hiding it in the margin, with font color white. Of course, there I times that I do want to view the text for editing, and I have to change the color of the text to something visible for those times I need to read it. But I just noticed that you can define a color and set its definition to Print As: Don't Print. It sounds perfect! I could assign a color to this text that I could see, but it wouldn't show up in PDFs-- or so I thought. I created a color called NoPrint and assigned it as follows: Color Definition: NoPrint Print As: Don't Print Model: CMYK C: 0 M: 60 Y: 80 K: 0 Overprint: Knock Out Despite being set to Don't Print, when I print to PDF, the text shows up in PDFs and prints from the PDF, too. Aargh! How can I make non-printing text NOT print? Anyone else have this problem? Mike Wickham FrameMaker 7.1p116 Windows XP Pro SP2 and all updates Acrobat Professional 7.0.7 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: How to include para format in list of markers?
On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:34:04 -0700, FIONA HANINGTON [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the reference page, we can have the list items include page numbers by including $pagenum. Is there a similar trick to include the paragraph type too? Yes, that building block is $paratag. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Non-printing Colors Insist on Printing!
Mike, You wrote: I've got some text that I need to cross-reference in a TOC, but I don't want it to print in the document where it resides. I've been hiding it in the margin, with font color white. Of course, there I times that I do want to view the text for editing, and I have to change the color of the text to something visible for those times I need to read it. But I just noticed that you can define a color and set its definition to Print As: Don't Print. It sounds perfect! I could assign a color to this text that I could see, but it wouldn't show up in PDFs-- or so I thought. I created a color called NoPrint and assigned it as follows: Color Definition: NoPrint Print As: Don't Print Model: CMYK C: 0 M: 60 Y: 80 K: 0 Overprint: Knock Out Despite being set to Don't Print, when I print to PDF, the text shows up in PDFs and prints from the PDF, too. Aargh! How can I make non-printing text NOT print? Anyone else have this problem? The Don't Print setting in a color definition specifically relates to printing color separations from FrameMaker. Colors defined as Don't Print do not appear on any printed plate when printing to color plates, but will print otherwise. You can suppress specific colors from being displayed and printed can be done through Color Views, but this will requires toggling from one view to another to show/hide the specific colors (eg view #6 shows all colors, view #1 hides the 'NoPrint' color). White text, although invisible on a white background, is carried over to the PS/PDF output. It is searchable, spoken and could even be displayed -- see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0412 for additional discussion and examples Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com Training, consulting add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332 If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces documentation for the European countries I strongly recommend to update as soon as possible. Multiple Undo, numerous bug fixes and the XML related improvements are really a good basis for the future of Desktop Publishing with or without XML and be worth the upgrade costs. There really is no alternative to FrameMaker as for example the improvements of Word 2007 are for greeting card designers and not for the creation of technical documentation. If you agree to this perception you may keep cool in looking for the next Adobe FrameMaker updates. The most important point is: FrameMaker is living and Adobe now shows that the want to keep FrameMaker alive. If you take a look at all the great plug-ins and FrameScript Scripts for FrameMaker (best links: http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/ and http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/default.html then you will see: There really is no need to call into question the future of FrameMaker. Regards Dieter Gust Management R itl - Institut f?r technische Literatur AG Tel.: +49 (089) 89 26 23 - 600 mailto:dgust at itl.de http://www.itl.de -- itl ideas * actions * solutions > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+dgust=itl.de at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+dgust=itl.de at lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf Of Dov Isaacs > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:44 AM > To: Alan Houser; Diane Gaskill > Cc: framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb > Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > Diane Gaskill obviously does NOT have a "reliable source" > inside Adobe. > - Dov > > > On Behalf Of Alan Houser > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM > > To: Diane Gaskill > > Cc: framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb > > Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be > surprised > > to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. > (I believe > > FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). > > Pleasantly surprised, of course. > > (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the > > propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like > > "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was > > mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. > > -Alan > > > > Diane Gaskill wrote: > > > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out > > > within a couple of months. > > > Diane > > > -Original Message- > > > From: lists.frameusers.com > > > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > > > To: framers at frameusers.com > > > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > > > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from > > > 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major > > > upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly > > > appreciated. > > > Cheers,
eps images dissappear after updating the eps
Hi, If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open the eps images and resave them in a more recent version that the original eps file (i use for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a previous version of illustrator) then some images just dissappear in the framemaker file. They are just gone, I need to import them again. The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all. Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this? Thanks!
AW: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
Hi, I guess the graphics files are not gone. They are still there but changed their position in your anchored frame. The reason is probably that the dimensions of your EPS graphics or the bounding box dimensions changed. Just select the anchored frame, press CTRL+a to select everything in the anchored frame and then press ESC+m, release these buttons and then press p. That shrinks the anchored frame to its content. Now your EPS file should appear again. Best regards Winfried > -Urspr?ngliche Nachricht- > Von: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com]Im > Auftrag von frame user > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Mai 2006 15:09 > An: framers at frameusers.com > Betreff: eps images dissappear after updating the eps > > > Hi, > > If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open > the eps images > and resave them in a more recent version that the original > eps file (i use > for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a > previous version of illustrator) then some images just > dissappear in the > framemaker file. > They are just gone, I need to import them again. > The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all. > Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this? > > Thanks!
Release Date for FrameMaker 8
> Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to > see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe > FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. > > The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle > (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the > propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like > "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was > mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. > Acrobat 8 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. I would imagine it will support importing/imbedding of Flash files. CS3 should be out around April 2007 due to the Windows Vista delay and the Macintosh Universal install. FrameMaker is anybody's guess, but I will say I'm unimpressed by the multiple undo feature in 7.2, and the upgrade pricing of the last few versions (7.0-to-7.1 and 7.1-to-7.2). I would like to see a discounted upgrade when only moving one "notch" up. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified (since 1995) for ALL Print and Web Publishing-related software Authorized Quark Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified Apple Certified Consultant (since 1990)
Automate Outline Object
All, Is there a way to automate putting an outline on a graphic object. (Other than using FrameScript which I don't have.) I can do this manually by selecting the object then the Tools Palette but I've got about 1200 graphic objects to modify. If not, I'll look at modifying the actual graphic to put a border on them. Thanks, Don. -- Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch Donald.M.Rinderknecht at noaa.gov ~ http://wdtb.noaa.gov
Automate Outline Object
Hi Don, FrameScript would certainly pay for itself with this job alone. If you decide to try it, here is the code to add a 1 point border to all of the imported graphics on body pages in the document. If ActiveDoc = 0 MsgBox 'There is no active document.'; LeaveSub; Else Run ProcessDoc oDoc(ActiveDoc); EndIf Sub ProcessDoc // Set oGraphic = oDoc.FirstGraphicInDoc; Loop While(oGraphic) // See if the graphic is an imported graphic. If oGraphic.ObjectName = 'Inset' // See if the graphic is on a body page. If oGraphic.Page.ObjectName = 'BodyPage' Set oGraphic.Pen = FillBlack; Set oGraphic.BorderWidth = 1pt; EndIf EndIf Set oGraphic = oGraphic.NextGraphicInDoc; EndLoop // EndSub Without FrameScript, you could save your documents as MIF and use a text editor to add the border. See the online MIF Reference for the syntax details. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > All, > > Is there a way to automate putting an outline on a graphic object. (Other > than using FrameScript which I don't have.) > I can do this manually by selecting the object then the Tools Palette but > I've got about 1200 graphic objects to modify. > > If not, I'll look at modifying the actual graphic to put a border on them. > > Thanks, > Don. > > -- > Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV > Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch > Donald.M.Rinderknecht at noaa.gov ~ http://wdtb.noaa.gov > > ___
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Alan, I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different topic. Diane -Original Message- From: Alan Houser [mailto:a...@groupwellesley.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: Neil Tubb; framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. -Alan Diane Gaskill wrote: > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a > couple of months. > > Diane > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > To: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Hi all, > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 > (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade > is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Neil > -- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? I would love to suggest ideas to incorporate Flash with FrameMaker.(ie,FlashPaper retaining Frame hyperlinks like it does for Microsoft doc files) Diana Stock Southwest Airlines Maintenance Training -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+diana.stock=wnco@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+diana.stock=wnco.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:08 AM To: Alan Houser Cc: framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Alan, I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different topic. Diane -Original Message- From: Alan Houser [mailto:a...@groupwellesley.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: Neil Tubb; framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course. The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle (April 2005), and Acrobat 7 has been out even longer. Given the propensity of even internal Adobe folks to confuse products like "PageMaker" and "FrameMaker", I might speculate that the source was mis-informed. Only Adobe knows for certain, however. -Alan Diane Gaskill wrote: > I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out > within a > couple of months. > > Diane > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On > Behalf Of Neil Tubb > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM > To: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Hi all, > > Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of > FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from > 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major > upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Neil > -- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Diana.Stock at wnco.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/diana.stock%40wnco.c om Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
That would be the FrameMaker User's Forum on the Adobe site... 7.x/8.x Feature requests... On 5/16/06, Diana Stock wrote: > I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish > List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? I would > love to suggest ideas to incorporate Flash with > FrameMaker.(ie,FlashPaper retaining Frame hyperlinks like it does for > Microsoft doc files) > > Diana Stock > Southwest Airlines > Maintenance Training -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Diane, Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very quietly, the FM development "department" is still (in exile?) in India. Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back to Adobe HQ? Art On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill wrote: > Alan, > > I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect > that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, > who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. > > Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd > definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different > topic. > > Diane -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
adobeforums.com has a list. On 5/16/06, Diana Stock wrote: > I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish > List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? I would > love to suggest ideas to incorporate Flash with > FrameMaker.(ie,FlashPaper retaining Frame hyperlinks like it does for > Microsoft doc files) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I will reply on behalf of Adobe. (1) Diane Gaskill has no reliable source in Adobe that provided any release information. (2) Adobe has not and has no plans to move FrameMaker development "back" from India where in fact it is under active development. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: lists.frameusers.com > On Behalf Of Art Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:37 AM > To: Diane Gaskill > Cc: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? > > Diane, > > Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very > quietly, the FM development "department" is still (in exile?) in > India. > > Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back > to Adobe HQ? > > Art > > On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill wrote: > > Alan, > > > > I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect > > that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as you say, > > who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. > > > > Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do. Well, almost. I'd > > definitely like to see some better input filters. But that's a different > > topic. > > > > Diane
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. At this point, I don't know who really knows what and I'm inclined not to believe anything on this topic until I see the app on the screen. 'Nuff said. Diane == -Original Message- From: Max Dunn [mailto:maxd...@siliconpublishing.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:21 AM To: 'Diane Gaskill' Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? I know for a fact this is incorrect. Shouldn't spread this sort of rumor... Max -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+maxdunn=siliconpublishing@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+maxdunn=siliconpublishing.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:15 AM To: Neil Tubb; framers at frameusers.com Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a couple of months. Diane -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Neil Tubb Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8? Hi all, Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1 (ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Neil ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as maxdunn at siliconpublishing.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/maxdunn%40siliconpublish ing.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- the cost of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker elsewhere. On the other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas, so the business profits at the expense of the host nation. I'm a bit more partial to my country than I am to any particular business that operates out of it. Tarage
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> According to the developer who gave me the info, this > is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some > communications problems within Adobe. The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is between the two of you and your contacts, none of which speak for Adobe. Adobe has not communicated anything, so there is no communication problem. Right now, all the two of you have is rumors, and there is ALWAYS a communication problm with rumors. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Sidebar texts
I need to put some (tinted) call-out text in a sidebar (as opposed to the full text page span). I'm just checking to be sure that there isn't any more elegant method than the following (which I don't classify as elegant - although I see it's the suggested method in the User Guide): . Insert an anchored frame using the 'Run in' option. . Place a text frame in the anchored frame . Create a one-cell table in the text frame . Place text in the cell . Size/position everything to be neat The results of this looks entirely acceptable, and provides a simple way to create a reversed-out heading if required, but it's fiddly. What is really needed is for FrameMaker's table options to include text wrap. One day... -- Steve
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug > hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand I know of multiple specific instances of where outsourced projects were brought back and domestic developers were added back. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Sounds like the communication problem is that insiders are leaking you unofficial information... Yikes!!! On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill wrote: > According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm. > It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. At this > point, I don't know who really knows what and I'm inclined not to believe > anything on this topic until I see the app on the screen. > 'Nuff said. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Not entirely correct re: outsourcing. There are many examples of companies cancelling their outsourced labor and bringing the work back into their home offices (I haven't the time or desire to cite, but there have been several articles in trade magazines over the past few months that attest to this). As with anything, if the benefit isn't there, the plan is aborted. I believe, though, that the FM work isn't "outsourced" but is actually housed by Adobe India - this is a very different thing, and I can see logic in this. Costs of workers is only a factor if the workers can deliver and if the communication is good. Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. Bill On 5/16/06, tarage at bellsouth.net wrote: > > Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, > those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- > the cost of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker > elsewhere. On the other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas, so > the business profits at the expense of the host nation. I'm a bit more > partial to my country than I am to any particular business that operates out > of it. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
>>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value.
CMYK problems
Hi, I have some questions about creating pdf files for a printer. To try and get it right, I'm currently doing the following: 1. Only use cmyk .eps images. 2. Set GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK to 'Printing' 3. Save as pdf rather than print to pdf. 4. Convert the resulting pdf to cmyk using Quite a box of tricks. I use save as pdf because I found that the images lost a lot of quality when the pdf was converted to cmyk, although I think this may have been before I started using .eps images. The files I generated have been printed with very good results. Many thanks to everyone on the list who helped me get to this stage when I first had to produce a file for a printer. I'm now delivering to a different printer and they don't like the colours in the pdf. The images are not a problem, it's the colours used for text, thumb tabs and shading in tables. In FM, the colours are defined like this: Black K 100% Red M 90% Y 86% GreyK 30% And I have some text in an .eps image which is defined as K 100%. In the pdf the colours have these values: Black C 75% M 68% Y 67% B 90% Red C 3%M 100% Y 100% GreyC 21% M 16% Y 16% And the black text in the .eps image is C 75% M 69% Y 62% B 75% The printer is saying that the 'black' text will come out as a muddy brown with misregistration issues (not sure what that means) and he is also not happy with the other colours. I used the Output preview tool in Acrobat Pro 7 to get these figures (and so did the printer). I've tried printing to pdf with the same result and also changing GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK to None, with the same result. Can anyone help me with this? I can understand that some colours will change slightly but I don't understand why black comes out like this and also why the black in an .eps image has changed so much. I'm also a little confused that the last printer didn't have any problems with the files, at least none that he told me about. I'm using Framemaker 7.2p158. The printer suggested I use FM 6 on the Mac instead... Thanks, Daniel Daniel Osborn | Technical Writer | TomTom | daniel.osborn at tomtom.com | +31 (0) 20 8500 934 office This e-mail message contains information which is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for use by the addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee, we request that you notify the sender immediately and delete or destroy this e-mail message and any attachment(s), without copying, saving, forwarding, disclosing or using its contents in any other way. TomTom N.V., TomTom International BV or any other company belonging to the TomTom group of companies will not be liable for damage relating to the communication by e-mail of data, documents or any other information.
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as > other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be > met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay > regions, but how to deliver greater value. Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, sure, but what about us writers? We won't be very appreciative of the "trick" if we're reduced to slinging hash at McDonalds. And if it reduces us to fry cooks, you'd be hard pressed to convince us it *isn't* an evil. --Doug
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> I did a contract at a company that had outsourced its > Tech Writing to India but after seeing how poorly the > Indians wrote English, they brought TW back to America. ... > > So I don't think it is such a great thing. To come to the conclusion that from hearing about ones that didn't work, the concept is flawed, is the wrong conclusion. The minority are the ones you hear about with problems. The majority you don't hear about are the ones that go as they should and it just becomes a normal part of the business model. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it. Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you.
CMYK problems
I have set up a whole-new black called New black, using 100 percent black only. Works great for us and our printers. -- Scott White Media Production Manager AlaMark Technologies 210-704-8239 swhite at alamark.com > From: Daniel Osborn > Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:57:59 +0200 > To: > Subject: CMYK problems > > Hi, > > > > I have some questions about creating pdf files for a printer. To try and > get it right, I'm currently doing the following: > > 1. Only use cmyk .eps images. > > 2. Set GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK to 'Printing' > > 3. Save as pdf rather than print to pdf. > > 4. Convert the resulting pdf to cmyk using Quite a box of tricks. > > > > I use save as pdf because I found that the images lost a lot of quality > when the pdf was converted to cmyk, although I think this may have been > before I started using .eps images. > > > > The files I generated have been printed with very good results. Many > thanks to everyone on the list who helped me get to this stage when I > first had to produce a file for a printer. > > > > I'm now delivering to a different printer and they don't like the > colours in the pdf. The images are not a problem, it's the colours used > for text, thumb tabs and shading in tables. > > In FM, the colours are defined like this: > > Black K 100% > > Red M 90% Y 86% > > GreyK 30% > > And I have some text in an .eps image which is defined as K 100%. > > > > In the pdf the colours have these values: > > Black C 75% M 68% Y 67% B 90% > > Red C 3%M 100% Y 100% > > GreyC 21% M 16% Y 16% > > And the black text in the .eps image is C 75% M 69% Y 62% B 75% > > > > The printer is saying that the 'black' text will come out as a muddy > brown with misregistration issues (not sure what that means) and he is > also not happy with the other colours. > > > > I used the Output preview tool in Acrobat Pro 7 to get these figures > (and so did the printer). > > > > I've tried printing to pdf with the same result and also changing > GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK to None, with the same result. Can anyone > help me with this? I can understand that some colours will change > slightly but I don't understand why black comes out like this and also > why the black in an .eps image has changed so much. > > > > I'm also a little confused that the last printer didn't have any > problems with the files, at least none that he told me about. > > > > I'm using Framemaker 7.2p158. The printer suggested I use FM 6 on the > Mac instead... > > > > Thanks, > > Daniel > > > > Daniel Osborn | Technical Writer | TomTom | daniel.osborn at tomtom.com | > +31 (0) 20 8500 934 office > > > > > > This e-mail message contains information which is confidential and may be > privileged. It is intended for use by the addressee only. If you are not the > intended addressee, we request that you notify the sender immediately and > delete or destroy this e-mail message and any attachment(s), without copying, > saving, forwarding, disclosing or using its contents in any other way. TomTom > N.V., TomTom International BV or any other company belonging to the TomTom > group of companies will not be liable for damage relating to the communication > by e-mail of data, documents or any other information. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as swhite at alamark.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/swhite%40alamark.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Yes but the companies are not strictly accountable to "the consumer," but rather to "the shareholders." And shareholders rarely complain about greater profits. ljk ___ Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. framers-bounces+laura_j_kirk=bd.com at lists.frameusers.com wrote on 05/16/2006 02:02:08 PM: > > Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, > > I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are > necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some > pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it. > > Anne > > > > The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains > confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended > recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or > use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete > the e-mail immediately. Thank you. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as Laura_J_Kirk at bd.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers. > com/mailman/options/framers/laura_j_kirk%40bd.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. - ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR RECIPIENTS IN THE U.S.A: This message may constitute an advertisement of BD group's products or services or a solicitation of interest in them. If this is such a message and you would like to opt out of receiving future advertisements or solicitations from this BD group, please forward this e-mail to the optoutbygroup at bd.com. ** This message (which includes any attachments) is intended only for the designated recipient(s). It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient, you may not review, use, copy or distribute this message. If you received this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank You ** Corporate Headquarters Mailing Address: BD (Becton, Dickinson and Company) 1 Becton Drive Franklin Lakes, NJ 07417 U.S.A.
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Just a "minor" point of semantics: outsourcing and "offshoring" (outsourcing to another country) are two very different things. Anyone who has done consulting work has engaged in supporting their client's outsourcing effort. The consulting firm where I learned the ropes as a technical writer was based in Dallas and all our clients were large firms, many of them global. I now work for a leader in the product development outsourcing industry. We're located in Plano, Texas, and all our work is done here. Although, interestingly, several of our clients have headquarters abroad. The reality is, we work in a global economy. Superior work will prevail, as it always has, over poor work. I would also agree that the central (although by no means the only) motivation for outsourcing in most businesses is increased profit. And I agree that I don't see a lot of profits passed on to consumers (refer to your local gas pump for more info). Bureeda Bruner Paragon Innovations, Inc. Phone: 972-265-6000 email: bureeda at paragoninnovations.com Website: www.paragoninnovations.com Success Stories: www.paragoninnovations.com/ng/success.shtml Embedded systems design from start to success -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+bureeda=paragoninnovations@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+bureeda=paragoninnovations.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:46 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8? >>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value.
Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals
Guys, When you write a Technical Manual do you number heads and sections with 1.1, 1.2, 1.2.1 etc. I have a manual which is essentially an API and it's numbered that way. It looks very cluttered to me. By taking that out and using conventional styles, it has an easier UI to me. What's the general consensus on numbering with the 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.2 type of way? Is that generally history now, or is it actually still used a lot? Thanks, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) NANOmetrics, Inc. 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.435.9600 x 316 7 408.232.5911 * gflato at nanometrics.com This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited.
Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals
I think it's still mostly used in environments where the manuals are written to a standard that requires it: MilSpec, BellCore, whatever In "civilian" docs, I think it's largely faded away. Art On 5/16/06, Gillian Flato wrote: > Guys, > What's the general consensus on numbering with the 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.2 type > of way? Is that generally history now, or is it actually still used a > lot? -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Outsourcing
> So, you seem to be saying that it requires no research > whatsoever to "firmly" conclude that outsourcing does not > resule in savings to the consumer, but you demand "firm" > research to prove that it does save the consumer money. > > Rubbish. Let's not take ourselves too seriously. I'm not "demanding" anything, I could actually care less. I was just following up to John's point that no one benefits from outsourcing "except the consumer" to say that I have a hard time believing the consumer benefits that much either. We're just talking here. Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you.
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Bureeda opines: <> To me this gets us back to the original proposition, that the loss of jobs can be compensated by an increase in value. Not always of course, as one or more others argue, but in a thriving economy (like the one we're now witnessing in our "off-shoring" society), that's more likely than not to happen. As for profits lining owner's pockets, that's not such a bad thing when you own a share or more of the company as many of our neighbors do. That makes ownership a good thing, as more than one politician insists. Let's not lose sight of the fact that value has many meanings, one of which is the best compromise between quality and price. For given quality if the business lowers the cost, it enhances the value to the consumer. And what's wrong with benefiting consumers? ~ Bill
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> From a business standpoint, sure, it's about value but is there really > value in outsourcing, or is it just cheaper? Talent is talent. It all depends on what you need. If you can get what you need cheaper and without hassle, generally that route wins. > I did a contract at a company that had outsourced its Tech Writing to > India but after seeing how poorly the Indians wrote English, they > brought TW back to America. I think you maybe just outsourced blindly. English is a standard language in India, and just about everyone I know in India has a better command of it than I do! ;-) Of course they speak the Queen's English, which is a bit different from my Yank tongue. ;-) > Another company I worked at outsourced QA to Russia, bragging to us how > they saved 50%. But guess what! The Russians took twice as long to do > anything and many times, the quality was not as good, so there went > there 50% savings. Not to mention the low morale around the office by > the Americans who saw their jobs going overseas. Many people spent more > time gossiping about whose job was going next than doing work. Many > other people around the office were just pissed all the time, thereby > lowering their productivity, and others left, thereby screwing the > company since they were needed. Yes, quality is an issue, but my guess is that there were multiple factors contributing to quality, from your company possibly not doing its homework to outsource to the right talent to the remote group just not having their act together (and everything in between). What most companies forget is that "outsourcing" is nothing more than hiring (contract or perm) in bulk in another location. As for morale back "home", it's indeed an issue. Unfortunately there's nothing you can do about the morale issue except not outsource, which may cause jobs to be eliminated rather than go overseas... It's a big puzzle, and one for which there is no easy solution. However, that doesn't mean it's "our" place to sit around and mope about it. What is everyone doing to remain marketable in this changing economic and commercial landscape? > For the government, it's a bad deal. They lose a lot of tax base when > workers are laid off and don't pay as much in taxes, not to mention the > loss in unemployment dollars they have to shell out. I'll give you that, but I argue it's not merely outsourcing that's to blame for unemployment. > So I don't think it is such a great thing. To each their own. But the issue is much bigger than keeping jobs local. If the company can't get where it needs to go given their funding and expenses... -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, sure, but what about > us writers? We won't be very appreciative of the "trick" if we're > reduced to slinging hash at McDonalds. And if it reduces us to fry > cooks, you'd be hard pressed to convince us it *isn't* an evil. I argue that if you are reduced to slinging hash then you didn't do your due diligence to keep yourself marketable and desirable. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Staying Marketable, WAS: Outsourcing
> It's a big puzzle, and one for which there is no easy solution. > However, that doesn't mean it's "our" place to sit around and > mope about it. What is everyone doing to remain marketable in > this changing economic and commercial landscape? This, to me, is worth going a little off topic for a discussion. I'm interested in the answers. Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you.
Staying Marketable, WAS: Outsourcing
Well, since I brought it up, I'll start... I stay on top of technology and trends and apply what makes sense in my daily work. What I can't apply at work, I keep on top of at home. I started out a technophobe in college, and now I've got my hands inside a .NET SDK and am fixing nightly build issues, all while still writing everything from end-user GUI docs to developer references. I also have a strong interest and insight, directly or indirectly, into localization and internationalization, quality assurance, usability, project management, people management, development, marketing, and client relations. You need to keep moving. Ever see what happens to a stagnant pond? On 5/16/06, Anne Robotti wrote: > > It's a big puzzle, and one for which there is no easy solution. > > However, that doesn't mean it's "our" place to sit around and > > mope about it. What is everyone doing to remain marketable in > > this changing economic and commercial landscape? > > This, to me, is worth going a little off topic for a discussion. > > I'm interested in the answers. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals
I think you are right Art. The basic reason for this structure was to enable easy reference/navigation to specific entries. As we move further away from "dead tree" versions, the need for this kind of user-observable structuring is fading. OTOH, I think one could argue that the rise of XML and other markup languages is incresing the demand for this kind (as in "nature") of item marking is becoming ever more prevalent. Grant "What makes a master is not physical skill alone but mental clarity, emotional maturity, and spiritual awareness." --Tom Callos -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:20 PM To: Gillian Flato Cc: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals I think it's still mostly used in environments where the manuals are written to a standard that requires it: MilSpec, BellCore, whatever In "civilian" docs, I think it's largely faded away. Art On 5/16/06, Gillian Flato wrote: > Guys, > What's the general consensus on numbering with the 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.2 > type of way? Is that generally history now, or is it actually still > used a lot? -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals
I do number, but never below a fourth level (1.2.3.4). I am not required to do so by spec or policy. I personally find when I read long manuals (e.g. a camcorder, digital camera, etc.) that when it is not numbered, I do not assimilate data as well because I lose the hierarchy of information. I need a structure into which to save information. Thus, for my readers who may be similarly wired, I number the paragraphs. For those who don't need numbering, I doubt any find their understanding of the material to be harmed by the presence of paragraph numbers. So it seems, pretty much, win-win to use para. numbering. The one exception was a manual that we were submitting for a CLIA waiver. It had to be written to a 7th grade level, and I used exaggerated font size changes to indicate paragraph levels (e.g. top level was 48 pt., second level was 24 pt., third level was 14 pt., and there was no fourth level). ljk ___ Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. "Gillian Flato" Sent by: framers-bounces+laura_j_kirk=bd.com at lists.frameusers.com 05/16/2006 03:09 PM To cc Subject Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals Guys, When you write a Technical Manual do you number heads and sections with 1.1, 1.2, 1.2.1 etc. I have a manual which is essentially an API and it's numbered that way. It looks very cluttered to me. By taking that out and using conventional styles, it has an easier UI to me. What's the general consensus on numbering with the 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.2 type of way? Is that generally history now, or is it actually still used a lot? Thanks, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) NANOmetrics, Inc. 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.435.9600 x 316 7 408.232.5911 * gflato at nanometrics.com This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Laura_J_Kirk at bd.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/laura_j_kirk%40bd.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. - ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR RECIPIENTS IN THE U.S.A: This message may constitute an advertisement of BD group's products or services or a solicitation of interest in them. If this is such a message and you would like to opt out of receiving future advertisements or solicitations from this BD group, please forward this e-mail to the optoutbygroup at bd.com. ** This message (which includes any attachments) is intended only for the designated recipient(s). It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient, you may not review, use, copy or distribute this message. If you received this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank You ** Corporate Headquarters Mailing Address: BD (Becton, Dickinson and Company) 1 Becton Drive Franklin Lakes, NJ 07417 U.S.A.
Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
>> I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish >> List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html Mike Wickham
Outsourcing
> Let's not take ourselves too seriously. > > I'm not "demanding" anything, I could actually care less. I was > just > following up to John's point that no one benefits from outsourcing > "except the consumer" to say that I have a hard time believing the > consumer benefits that much either. Not me...right? John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals
I only use that type of numbering when a client insists on it. Typically, those clients are engineers with content targeting other engineers. ~~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC Intelligent technical communication since 1993 Technical writing, help development, FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions lindag at techcomplus.com http://www.techcomplus.com/ 303-450-9076 800-500-3144 ~~ Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting Special Interest Group Society for Technical Communication http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html ~~ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:09 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals Guys, When you write a Technical Manual do you number heads and sections with 1.1, 1.2, 1.2.1 etc. I have a manual which is essentially an API and it's numbered that way. It looks very cluttered to me. By taking that out and using conventional styles, it has an easier UI to me. What's the general consensus on numbering with the 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.2 type of way? Is that generally history now, or is it actually still used a lot? Thanks, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) NANOmetrics, Inc. 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.435.9600 x 316 7 408.232.5911 * gflato at nanometrics.com This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lindag at techcomplus.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Non-printing Colors Insist on Printing!
I've got some text that I need to cross-reference in a TOC, but I don't want it to print in the document where it resides. I've been hiding it in the margin, with font color white. Of course, there I times that I do want to view the text for editing, and I have to change the color of the text to something visible for those times I need to read it. But I just noticed that you can define a color and set its definition to "Print As: Don't Print." It sounds perfect! I could assign a color to this text that I could see, but it wouldn't show up in PDFs-- or so I thought. I created a color called "NoPrint" and assigned it as follows: Color Definition: NoPrint Print As: Don't Print Model: CMYK C: 0 M: 60 Y: 80 K: 0 Overprint: Knock Out Despite being set to "Don't Print," when I print to PDF, the text shows up in PDFs and prints from the PDF, too. Aargh! How can I make non-printing text NOT print? Anyone else have this problem? Mike Wickham FrameMaker 7.1p116 Windows XP Pro SP2 and all updates Acrobat Professional 7.0.7
How to include para format in list of markers?
On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:34:04 -0700, FIONA HANINGTON wrote: >On the reference page, we can have the list items >include page numbers by including <$pagenum>. Is >there a similar trick to include the paragraph type too? Yes, that "building block" is <$paratag>. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Cannot save some screenshots as .png or .tiff on a network drive
Using FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows 2000 on the network drive (F), importing screenshots saved using SnagIt 8.01. Want avoid gray boxes. Problems: 1. When I saved screenshots to the F (network drive) drive, some screenshots saved as 1K files (too small a size compared to others), when tried to open them, received format not recognized message. 2. When imported a .png image captured using SnagIt, by reference, in Frame 7.2, the FrameMaker book with 12 open files crashed, recover files generated for every file. Newly typed information not saved. 3. When saved .tif files of screenshots with SnagIt on the network drive, some .TIF files appeared normal, while some with 1K, non-displayable format. These small files don't have anything to import. Message displayed: Frame cannot recognize this file format, choose format to convert the file. 4. Copied Graphics folder and Book folder from F drive and put them on the same level In C, the book still looks to the F folder for images. Redirected to C, but doesn't budge. Troubleshooting: 1. When saved .TIF files to the local C folder, images appear normal, with healthy 1 to 2 Meg file size. 2. Saved the images in the C folder to the Graphics folder on F, copied from there by reference. Thanks. Any suggestions very welcome. Nandini
