RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Niels Fanøe]

I appreciate that some you are afraid that the US will lose jobs to India and 
such countries. But take a bigger perspective on this, will you? If India 
(et.al.) are not involved with Western technology - if they don't get any 
hi-tech jobs and industries - how are they ever going to be able to buy 
American (or Danish, for that matter) products and services? Only by sharing 
our wealth (and jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the 
long run.

-Niels
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AW: eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[Reng, Winfried]

Hi,

As Rick Quatro pointed out this happens sometimes. I experienced
that 10 years ago on FM on UNIX regularly with EPS files from
CorelDraw. I do not know any rules when this will happen. Maybe
you changed anything which affects the dimensions or the bounding
box even if that´s not noticeable for you. E.g. anchor points of
splines which lie outside of the visible part of your graphics.
You might compare these values before/after. You could check the
EPS files in a text editor or with GhostScript/GhostView.

The shortcut is described in the FrameMaker help (Quick reference
(Windows) | Graphics | Graphic frames):
Shrink-wrap an anchored frame (shrink the frame to an object and
position the frame at the insertion point): Esc m p

This shortcut works equally well with equations.

Best regards

Winfried

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Auftrag von frame user
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2006 09:26
 An: framers@frameusers.com
 Betreff: Re: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
 
 
 Hi Winfried,
 
 Thanks for the tip!
 The eps files are indeed still in the file.
 But isn't it possible to let the anchored frame untouched and 
 move/resize
 the eps itself to the anchored frame?
 The anchored frames needs to stay on the same location in my document.
 
 What does esc+m and p exactly do btw?
 
 Thanks!
 
 
 On 5/16/06, Reng, Winfried [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  I guess the graphics files are not gone. They are
  still there but changed their position in your
  anchored frame.
 
  The reason is probably that the dimensions of your
  EPS graphics or the bounding box dimensions changed.
 
  Just select the anchored frame, press CTRL+a to select
  everything in the anchored frame and then press
  ESC+m, release these buttons and then press p. That
  shrinks the anchored frame to its content. Now your
  EPS file should appear again.
 
  Best regards
 
  Winfried
 
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   Auftrag von frame user
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   An: framers@frameusers.com
   Betreff: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
  
  
   Hi,
  
   If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open
   the eps images
   and resave them in a more recent version that the original
   eps file (i use
   for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can 
 be made in a
   previous version of illustrator) then some images just
   dissappear in the
   framemaker file.
   They are just gone, I need to import them again.
   The strange thing is that this occures with some images 
 but not all.
   Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?
  
   Thanks!
 
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RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Diane Gaskill]

Sorry, Art, but the subject never came up.  In any case, with people sending
me offlist nasty-grams and others on my back online for a rumor which isn't
even mine, I would not let the list know even if I knew.  I'm not the type
leave the list as _some_ people have done when under pressure, but the
thought has crossed my mind, even after 14 active years on this list.

Diane

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From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:37 AM
To: Diane Gaskill
Cc: Alan Houser; framers@frameusers.com; Neil Tubb
Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?


Diane,

Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very
quietly, the FM development department is still (in exile?) in
India.

Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back
to Adobe HQ?

Art

On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Alan,

 I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect
 that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates.  But as you say,
 who knows?  We'll just have to wait and see.

 Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do.  Well, almost.  I'd
 definitely like to see some better input filters.  But that's a different
 topic.

 Diane

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The horse is dead already. WAS: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Diane Gaskill]

There is no comm prob at all between me and my contact, and my contact is
repeating something they heard inside Adobe.  No matter what anyone says, my
contact is reliable.  But the original source of the information, which was
not revealed to me, is apparently not.

OKAY FOLKS, the horse is dead already.  Continuing this thread is a waste of
the list bandwidth as well as mine, and I'll not reply to any more messages
on the subject, on or off list.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: John Posada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:51 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; Max Dunn
Cc: Framers
Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?


 According to the developer who gave me the info, this
 is not a rumor.  Hmmm. It sounds like there are some
 communications problems within Adobe.

The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is
between the two of you and your contacts, none of which speak for
Adobe. Adobe has not communicated anything, so there is no
communication problem. Right now, all the two of you have is rumors,
and there is ALWAYS a communication problm with rumors.



John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

So long and thanks for all the fish.

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Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8

[Paul Findon]

On 16 May 2006, at 14:42, David Creamer wrote:

Acrobat 8 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. I would 
imagine it

will support importing/imbedding of Flash files.


My inside Adobe source tells me that it will be Acrobat 9 that will 
have full integration with Flash because Adobe and Macromedia engineers 
have only been able to talk to each other since the deal was sealed in 
December 2005 and Acrobat 8 is well into it's current development 
cycle.


Apparently, we'll also see Macromedia 9 and GoLive CS3 before one or 
the other is dropped and the best of both is melded into one super Web 
authoring tool.


FrameMaker 8.0 will be released on Monday 11 September. And that's 
official.


Over and out,

Paul

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Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Shlomo Perets]

Dieter,

You wrote:


Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update
FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332
If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces 
documentation for the European countries I strongly recommend to update as 
soon as possible.
Multiple Undo, numerous bug fixes and the XML related improvements are 
really a good basis for the future of Desktop Publishing with or without 
XML and be worth the upgrade costs. ...


Just for the record: with very few exceptions, the numerous bug fixes you 
are referring to are related to new issues introduced in FM7.2
(i.e. for those who did not upgrade to FM7.2, the bug fixes are pretty 
insignificant, other than the limited support for some of the missing 
characters in the Cyrillic, Central European and Baltic codepages; I am not 
sure as to mouse wheel support).

[... and no comments as to the FM7.2 Multiple Undo]

But let's hope that next version of FrameMaker -- whatever its number is 
and whenever it is released -- along with useful new functions/features, 
will address some of the bugs that have been logged with FrameMaker 5.0 
(1994) or earlier, and are brought up in this forum from time to time 
(refreshing the screen, dialog box sizing, table sorting issues, 
conditional text, spelling, graphic output problems, and many other issues).


And hopefully next version of FM will have a better online help. The help 
system for 7.0 was used as is in 7.1 and 7.2 , with its left-over see on 
page references, along with other problems.
According to the version information, the online help for FM7.2 was 
compiled on March 14, 2002 -- i.e. three and a half years before the actual 
product was shipped.


Development efforts of the next FM version should also not neglect the PDFs 
manuals included with the product (content as well as interactivity; 
usefulness as on-screen PDFs is a plus). It would be nice if the FrameMaker 
Character Sets PDF is finally inspected and fixed. The FM6.0 version was 
used as is in all subsequent versions (including 7.2), despite its reported 
inaccuracies. Having all links work in the PDFs would also be nice.


Some examples for the above are at:
http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0511
http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0404
http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0312


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting  add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat



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XSLT and DocType declaration

[Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\)]

We try to use an XSLT on import of XML (FM 7.2).

Now the XSLT removes the DocType declaration from the XML file. We can reset 
the DocType itself, but how can we resolve the Document Specific Declarations, 
like: 
!ENTITY ImportedGraphic1 SYSTEM ../eps/02010200-1PV4-Ea.eps NDATA epsi
As these are 'in' the DocType element they disappear after transformation. 

thanks,


Met vriendelijke groet/Kind regards,
Wim Hooghwinkel 
Wim Hooghwinkel
DTP and XML Manager T: +31 (0)23 548 48 84
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Hex code Z and z

[Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\)]

Hello,

I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character 
set PDF. Where to find?

thanks,

Met vriendelijke groet/Kind regards,
Wim Hooghwinkel 
Wim Hooghwinkel
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Re: Hex code Z and z

[Bill Briggs]

At 2:16 PM +0200 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote:
I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character 
set PDF. Where to find?

 The Hex values are thus:

 Z = 5A

 z = 7A

- web
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Re: CMYK problems

[David Creamer]

 The printer is saying that the 'black' text will come out as a muddy
 brown with misregistration issues (not sure what that means) and he is
 also not happy with the other colours.
 
In Acrobat Pro 7, try this to solve the RGB black type problem:

Create the file without any special conversion.
Go to the ToolsPrint ProductionConvert Colors menu.
Set the Action menu to Convert.
Set the Destination Space Profile to your color space (try SWOP Coated).
Select Preserve Black Objects (this should keep RGB black as 100% K).
Click OK.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified (since 1995) for ALL Print and Web
Publishing-related software
Authorized Quark Provider (since 1988)
Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified
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RE: Hex code Z and z

[Bill Briggs]

But the ones you have written aren't characters Z and z, but rather they are 
accented characters (Z or z with a caron, or hacek). They are in the upper 128 
of an 8-bit char table and will vary depending on the char set. If you look 
here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/latin2.html
at ISO 8859-2 Latin Alphabet 2 then they map differently from the mapping you 
have indicated below. You must be using a different char set. In any event, you 
asked for plain Z and z, which is not what you've indicated below.

- web

At 2:39 PM +0200 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote:
ok, I found it (saved FM as MIF):
entity zcaron is fm char \xfe;
entity Zcaron is fm char \xfa;


Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DTP and XML Management

Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl
tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84
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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:23 PM
To: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)
Subject: Re: Hex code Z and z


Hello,

I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character 
set PDF. Where to find?

Wim

z = 7A

Z = 5A

(Or at least, that's what PopChar is telling me.)
--
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RE: XSLT and DocType declaration

[Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\)]

thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Alan Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:24 PM
To: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)
Cc: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Re: XSLT and DocType declaration


Wim,

The XSLT processor reads the DTD and creates an internal representation 
of the document tree, including entity references. You should be able to 
access these entities via the XSLT unparsed-entity-uri() function. For 
example, the following fragment should populate an XSLT variable with 
the pathname to the original graphic --

xsl:variable name=target 
select=unparsed-entity-uri(ImportedGraphic1) /

I haven't tested this, but you may need to convert these entity 
references to attribute values  (e.g. graphic href={$target} / ) in 
your import XSLT transform.

It is Very Annoying that XSLT/XPath does not provide a handle to the 
original DocType declaration, but this is an XSLT issue, not a 
FrameMaker issue.

-Alan

Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) wrote:
 We try to use an XSLT on import of XML (FM 7.2).

 Now the XSLT removes the DocType declaration from the XML file. We can reset 
 the DocType itself, but how can we resolve the Document Specific 
 Declarations, like: 
 !ENTITY ImportedGraphic1 SYSTEM ../eps/02010200-1PV4-Ea.eps NDATA epsi
 As these are 'in' the DocType element they disappear after transformation. 

 thanks,

   
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Re: Frame 7.2 crashes on batch conversion

[Art Campbell]

Sounds either as if you're running out of memory or hitting a problem
that's delaying a read or write...

Amount of RAM?
Are the files across a network?
Does the problem occur when all files are open?

Art



On 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

FrameMaker 7.2 Patchp158 crashes on batch conversion of XML to FM (menu 
file--utilitys--convert structured documents)

Is this a known behaviour?

---
Fout
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Internal Error 7204, 6109922, 7778420, 0. FrameMaker has detected a serious 
problem and must quit.


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RE: Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals

[nancy carpenter]

I still use the numeric outline form for all the large documents.  We often
go down 3 or 4 levels below the chapter, and the numbering makes it clear
where we are.

Nancy Carpenter
Lead Technical Writer
GENCO Distribution System
100 Papercraft Park
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15238


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I only use that type of numbering when a client insists on it. Typically,
those clients are engineers with content targeting other engineers.

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Guys,

When you write a Technical Manual do you number heads and sections with
1.1, 1.2, 1.2.1 etc. I have a manual which is essentially an API and
it's numbered that way. It looks very cluttered to me. By taking that
out and using conventional styles, it has an easier UI to me.

What's the general consensus on numbering with the 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.2 type
of way? Is that generally history now, or is it actually still used a
lot?


Thanks,

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

NANOmetrics, Inc.

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RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Niels Fanøe]

Niels:
-  how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for 
-  that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our 
- wealth (and 
-  jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long 
-  run.

John:
- Niels...a point from both sides...
- 
- - If you can't get through the short run, the long run 
- doesn't matter. You're looking at it from the perspective of 
- the collective.
- Others are looking at it from the perspective of paying 
- their gas and oil bill for the next 90 days and making their 
- kid's tuition payment on the coming first of the month.

Yeah, well, I think that if we don't make it in the long run, who cares about 
the short run.
As for the energy bills and tuition system in the US, and the welfare system in 
general, this is not the place to discuss that (I know what you mean, though). 
The US seems to be working up its trillion dollar debt on other things at the 
moment...
 
- - Accept that a position should go to the best value, which 
- is a balance between cost and quality. Then get whatever 
- training you need to tip the balance in favor of quality; if 
- not for your current employer, one that allows you to make 
- the transition as quick as possible.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Anyway - I just wanted to pitch in 
with a little global outlook. End of sermon! ;o)

-Niels
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RE: Frame 7.2 crashes on batch conversion

[Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\)]

Problem is 'solved' - sorry to have bothered you (deadline) but it still is 
a bug in FM7.2:

It turned out to be an image, EPS image that actually wasn't EPS but AI format. 
FrameMaker 7.1 had no problem importing the XML, but FrameMaker 7.2 crashed. 
Illustration was identified as pdf (NDATA pdf) when the XML was created in FM 
7.1. Extension was .EPS. Apparently FM 7.2 can't handle this misinterpretation?

Wim.

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From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:09 PM
To: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware); List, Framers
Subject: Re: Frame 7.2 crashes on batch conversion


Sounds either as if you're running out of memory or hitting a problem
that's delaying a read or write...

Amount of RAM?
Are the files across a network?
Does the problem occur when all files are open?

Art



On 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 FrameMaker 7.2 Patchp158 crashes on batch conversion of XML to FM (menu 
 file--utilitys--convert structured documents)

 Is this a known behaviour?

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 Fout
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 Internal Error 7204, 6109922, 7778420, 0. FrameMaker has detected a serious 
 problem and must quit.

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problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)

[Jakob Fix]

Hello,

I have put together a process to batch process our FrameMaker files to
create PDF files, like this:

step 1) the Cudspan batch tool helps me create the batch file for a
given book (the batch file contains three instructions for each
FrameMaker file contained in the book: 1) open the file, 2) save as
postscript in the in/ folder of a watched folder, 3) close original).
this is a one-off step.

step 2) the Cudspan batch tool then runs this file from within
FrameMaker.  The postscript files are saved in the watched folder of
Acrobat Distiller which starts converting the arriving postscript
files in the out/ folder.

Now here's the problem: While most files convert OK, in some of them
the pages are assembled in the reverse order, i.e. in the resulting
PDF document the last page is shown first, and the first page becomes
the last page.

I have one batch where the first four documents have their page order
reversed, and all others are fine.  Another batch has no problems at
all.

I have made sure that the Last Sheet First option in the Print
Document dialogue box is unchecked for all files.

Manually printing these files to postscript and then manually
distilling them works fine.

I have also tried different postscript printers, but had so far no
success in getting these renegade files to behave.

What could the problem be, and how can I solve this?

--
cheers,
Jakob.


PS: thanks to Cudspan for making available for free his ever so useful plugins!
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Re: Off topic: 4-color Quark book on PC vs. Mac?

[Mark Barratt]

Robert Kern wrote:

Any CMYK separation issues I should watch out for if we do this on the 
PC instead of the Mac???


No. Quark, like InDesign, produces its own PostScript output rather than 
relying on the OS, so it isn't limited by Windows' color model.


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Re: problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Jakob:

I have a few guesses that might help track down the problem:

* Set Distiller to check the watched folder at greater intervals, to 
give more time for the .ps files to be written completely. (Just a 
hunch.)


* Use DoBatch to import, to each .fm file, a printfile whose settings 
reassert the print last page first OFF option.


HTH


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices


I have put together a process to batch process our FrameMaker files to
create PDF files, like this:

step 1) the Cudspan batch tool helps me create the batch file for a
given book (the batch file contains three instructions for each
FrameMaker file contained in the book: 1) open the file, 2) save as
postscript in the in/ folder of a watched folder, 3) close original).
this is a one-off step.

step 2) the Cudspan batch tool then runs this file from within
FrameMaker.  The postscript files are saved in the watched folder of
Acrobat Distiller which starts converting the arriving postscript
files in the out/ folder.

Now here's the problem: While most files convert OK, in some of them
the pages are assembled in the reverse order, i.e. in the resulting
PDF document the last page is shown first, and the first page becomes
the last page.

I have one batch where the first four documents have their page order
reversed, and all others are fine.  Another batch has no problems at
all.

I have made sure that the Last Sheet First option in the Print
Document dialogue box is unchecked for all files.

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Re: problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)

[Jakob Fix]

Hello Peter,

On 5/17/06, Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, Jakob:

I have a few guesses that might help track down the problem:

* Set Distiller to check the watched folder at greater intervals, to
give more time for the .ps files to be written completely. (Just a
hunch.)


I had it set to 10 secs, and now I changed it to 30 secs, but the the
problem doesn't go away.  Interesting fact: it's always the same
file(s).


* Use DoBatch to import, to each .fm file, a printfile whose settings
reassert the print last page first OFF option.


I'll look into this (I guess it's documented in the Cudspan userguide?)

thanks for your super quick reply

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cheers,
Jakob.
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OT: insider sources

[Bill Swallow]

It's interesting to hear how many people have insider sources at Adobe
and other companies, and how willing they are to share this info with
the community at large. Call me crazy, but unless the word is
official, I'd opt to hold my cards close for fear of either spreading
miscommunication or potentially finding myself at the wrong end of a
law suit.

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RE: insider sources

[Anne Robotti]

 It's interesting to hear how many people have insider sources 
 at Adobe and other companies, and how willing they are to 
 share this info with the community at large. Call me crazy, 
 but unless the word is official, I'd opt to hold my cards 
 close for fear of either spreading miscommunication or 
 potentially finding myself at the wrong end of a law suit.

And not only that, but to keep having that inside source! I can't
imagine that Adobe or any company would be too happy with a person
giving out confidential information to someone who'd post it on a
newsgroup or list - don't people get fired for that? If you can get
fired from Google or Mademoiselle for what you write in a private blog,
anything is possible.

So if the information is false, better not spread it, and if it's true -
*doubly* better not spread it!

Anne
 


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RE: insider sources

[Joe Malin]

Hmmm. I doubt that Adobe insiders are giving out anything confidential.
Most Silicon Valley companies make it clear what is and isn't
confidential. For example, almost all the stuff my company does is
confidential. I would never say anything about *our business* that isn't
already posted on our official web site. 

I'm careful about the opinions I post  on this list; not only is that
good for my company, but good for my career as well.

If an Adobe insider tells you something, it's of course unofficial
unless Adobe announced it as a press release. In the world of
shrink-wrapped products, unofficial stuff floats around all the time.
Most companies don't care; any publicity is good! 


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Workspace management tools

[Joe Malin]

Hi!
 
Does anyone have a good add-on FM 7.x tool for managing workspaces?
I'd like to be able to save my current work and then reload it so that
all the open docs in a book re-open and go right to the point where I
was last editing.
 
Also, does anyone have an add-on for placing *editing* bookmarks? I'd
like to drop a bookmark in one doc, go someplace else, and then come
back to that bookmark. It's OK if it stays in the doc, as long as it
doesn't affect PDF or XML (HTML) output.
 
Joe
 

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Formatting Hypertext Links

[Doug]

I currently am inserting hypertext links into my FM documents linking
to PDFs.  The links work fine; after I PDF Document A, the link opens
the PDF Document B in Acrobat when click the link in PDF A.

What I want to know is this:  I want the keyword I lighted when I
created the link to be formatted with blue color and underlining.  Is
there a way to add this automatically when I create the link, or do I
need to create a format with the appropriate characteristics?

--Doug
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Re: Formatting Hypertext Links

[Shlomo Perets]

Doug,

You wrote:


I currently am inserting hypertext links into my FM documents linking
to PDFs.  The links work fine; after I PDF Document A, the link opens
the PDF Document B in Acrobat when click the link in PDF A.

What I want to know is this:  I want the keyword I lighted when I
created the link to be formatted with blue color and underlining.  Is
there a way to add this automatically when I create the link, or do I
need to create a format with the appropriate characteristics?


Applying a character format to the link text is essential (even when you 
don't want to show the link distinctly), because it lets you limit the 
link's area. Numeric underline is recommended, as it somewhat lower 
compared to the regular underline, and also thinner.


FrameMaker lets you create the link, but does not let you control the 
visual properties of the link (as available in Acrobat): highlight style or 
border/underline associated with the link as an object.


[ With my FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers add-on it is possible to to have an 
underline that behaves and looks differently: it can be visible on-screen 
but not printed, so that paper output is not cluttered. Properties that can 
be controlled include underline color, thickness, baseline offset, link 
highlight style.
These underlines are displayed uniformly in Acrobat, regardless of the zoom 
level; FrameMaker's underlines -- whether single or thin -- are thick and 
are displayed inconsistently (some may show up as thick and other as thin; 
zoom in or out and what was thick may now be thin and vice versa).

Acrobat/Reader 6 or higher are needed to display the PDF.
A sample PDF is available at http://www.microtype.com/showcase/VisLinks.pdf 
(60K); see http://www.microtype.com/improvePDF.html#19 for more information.
The entire active area created by cross-references and hypertext markers 
can be automatically handled this way; applying a character format is still 
needed to control the link area. ]


Shlomo Perets

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Re: Structured Opened in Standard Frame

[Shlomo Perets]

Don,

You wrote:


Just a quick confirmation when you open a structured Frame using the
unstructured Frame interface and you choose to Edit rather than View
Only the structure info is no longer there.


That's true!


Is this a permanent thing?


Yes.


To recover the structured info do I have to
treat it like any other unstructured to structured conversion?


Correct. It could actually even be much worse than regular unstructured to 
structured, because if the EDD formatting does not map elements to unique 
paragraph tags (which is a valid approach), you may end up with a document 
that is all Body (and hence the conversion utility won't apply).



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Re: Structured Opened in Standard Frame

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Don:

If you haven't saved the file, or if you've saved it to a new name, 
then the structure isn't lost...yet!


If you've made changes and saved, the structure IS lost. However, if 
you need the structure back, and you have a recent version of the 
original structured file, you can open both in the structured 
interface and compare the edited one to the original with File  
Utilities  Compare Documents, and transfer the edits to the 
structured file. MAKE A SAFETY COPY of the structured original before 
proceeding!


HTH


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices


At 2:27 PM -0500 5/17/06, Donald M Rinderknecht wrote:

Hi All,

Just a quick confirmation when you open a structured Frame using 
the unstructured Frame interface and you choose to Edit rather 
than View Only the structure info is no longer there.


Is this a permanent thing? To recover the structured info do I have 
to treat it like any other unstructured to structured conversion?

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Auto-creating tables

[Doug]

Is there a way to automatically create a table when you apply a
specific paragraph format?  One of my paragraph formats is a heading
that introduces a table.  I'd like the table to display automatically
when I finish creating the table's heading.  I was hoping to place the
table on a reference page and call it via the Frame Below Paragraph
function on the Advanced tab of the Paragraph Designer, but it won't
let me put a table on the reference page.

What's the Best Practice for this purpose?

Thanks!

--Doug
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figure titles in webworks

[Lilah Johnson]

Hi-
I have a webworks related question. When I generate help from Frame files, 
WebWorks seems to create two separate anchors for figure number and figure 
text. But it appears to be using different fonts, the results of which are that 
it looks like the figure number is a half line above the figure text. Is there 
a way to fix this using the Style Designer?
 
Here is the source code from the page:
 
 
  table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=99%
  tr valign=top
td width=48
  div /div
/td
td width=52.79
  div
nobr
  a name=1010818Figure 1‑1   /a
/nobr
  /div
/td
td
  font size=2 face=Helvetica LT Std color=#00
a name=1010818Sample End User IronPort Spam Quarantine/a
  /font
/td
  /tr
/table

 

Thanks!

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Re: problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 17 May 2006 16:23:46 +0200, Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

I have put together a process to batch process our FrameMaker files to
create PDF files, like this:

 ...

Now here's the problem: While most files convert OK, in some of them
the pages are assembled in the reverse order, i.e. in the resulting
PDF document the last page is shown first, and the first page becomes
the last page.

 ...

What could the problem be, and how can I solve this?

There seems to be an intermittent problem in Frame itself.
When we added the ability to make PDF to our runfm.exe tool,
we ran into this.  We wound up having to set the property
explicitly from the FDK immediately before printing to the
PDF printer.  After that, the trouble went away.

You can use runfm to do this job, and you don't even need
to buy Mif2Go to do it.  You do need to download and
install our demo version (at least the plugin parts):
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

Full instructions on using runfm (a command-line app, so
you can include it in .bat files) are in the User's Guide
(WinHelp version in the demo, other versions available on
the Downloads page).

HTH!

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Using XSLT in FM7.2 (was: XSLT and DocType declaration)

[Shlomo Perets]

Under http://www.microtype.com/FrameMakerFAQ.html#Structure there are links 
to a few FM7.2 Structure-specific technical papers, including a new Using 
XSLT in FM7.2 paper.



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RE: Auto-creating tables

[Joe Malin]

Not that I know of.

In fact, the opposite *does* work. If you create a table with a title,
format the title with a paragraph format, and then update the table tag
in Table Designer, then Table Designer inserts the properly formatted
title whenever you insert a table.

Doug's way would be nice, too.

Joe 


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Subject: Auto-creating tables

Is there a way to automatically create a table when you apply a specific
paragraph format?  One of my paragraph formats is a heading that
introduces a table.  I'd like the table to display automatically when I
finish creating the table's heading.  I was hoping to place the table on
a reference page and call it via the Frame Below Paragraph function on
the Advanced tab of the Paragraph Designer, but it won't let me put a
table on the reference page.

What's the Best Practice for this purpose?

Thanks!

--Doug
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Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, all.

I hope this issue has an obvious answer. Here is the context:


1. I am using FrameMaker 7.2p158 on a Windows PC and Acrobat 7.0.7 Professional.

2. My FrameMaker book has text insets (relevance will become clear in a
moment).

3. I use cross-references to header paragraphs, tables and other sections
of my book.

4. I use the Save Book as PDF menu item to generate my PDF file from the
FrameMaker book.


Some of the cross-references automatically result in clickable hyper-links
in the PDF, but some don't!?!

I have not isolated this to the text insets, although that was my initial
reaction to the problem.

Is there any way to force the PDF to contain the links for all such cross-
references? I would *strongly* prefer not to edit the PDF to add them in
manually into the PDF - this file is re-generated from FrameMaker too often
in this document!

Z
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Re: Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?

[Martha J Davidson]

At 04:14 PM 5/17/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have not isolated this to the text insets, although that was my initial
reaction to the problem.


That's exactly it. Cross-references in text insets don't become
clickable links in PDF. Unfortunately, that's how it's built.


Is there any way to force the PDF to contain the links for all such cross-
references? I would *strongly* prefer not to edit the PDF to add them in
manually into the PDF - this file is re-generated from FrameMaker too often
in this document!


The only way is to convert the insets to text before generating
the PDF. I had Rick Quatro write a custom FrameScript for me
that does this and generates the PDF, then restores the insets.
That was the only solution I could come up with that didn't
involve lots of manual work each time I needed PDFs.

martha
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Re: Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Martha.

Martha J Davidson wrote:

At 04:14 PM 5/17/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have not isolated this to the text insets, although that was my initial
reaction to the problem.


That's exactly it. Cross-references in text insets don't become
clickable links in PDF. Unfortunately, that's how it's built.

Is there any way to force the PDF to contain the links for all such 
cross-

references? I would *strongly* prefer not to edit the PDF to add them in
manually into the PDF - this file is re-generated from FrameMaker too 
often

in this document!


The only way is to convert the insets to text before generating
the PDF. I had Rick Quatro write a custom FrameScript for me
that does this and generates the PDF, then restores the insets.
That was the only solution I could come up with that didn't
involve lots of manual work each time I needed PDFs.


Ouch! Seems a bit overkill ... may have to be the solution I go
to to solve this.

Thanks!

Z
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Non-printing Colors Insist on Printing!

[Shlomo Perets]

Mike,

You wrote:

>I've got some text that I need to cross-reference in a TOC, but I don't want
>it to print in the document where it resides. I've been hiding it in the
>margin, with font color white. Of course, there I times that I do want to
>view the text for editing, and I have to change the color of the text to
>something visible for those times I need to read it.
>
>But I just noticed that you can define a color and set its definition  to
>"Print As: Don't Print." It sounds perfect! I could assign a color to this
>text that I could see, but it wouldn't show up in PDFs-- or so I thought. I
>created a color called "NoPrint" and assigned it as follows:
>
>Color Definition: NoPrint
>Print As: Don't Print
>Model: CMYK
>C: 0
>M: 60
>Y: 80
>K: 0
>Overprint: Knock Out
>
>Despite being set to "Don't Print," when I print to PDF, the text shows up
>in PDFs and prints from the PDF, too. Aargh! How can I make non-printing
>text NOT print? Anyone else have this problem?


The "Don't Print" setting in a color definition specifically relates
to printing color separations from FrameMaker. Colors defined as
"Don't Print" do not appear on any printed plate when printing
to color plates, but will print otherwise.

You can suppress specific colors from being displayed and printed
can be done through "Color Views", but this will requires toggling
from one view to another to show/hide the specific colors
(eg view #6 shows all colors, view #1 hides the 'NoPrint' color).

White text, although invisible on a white background, is carried
over to the PS/PDF output. It is searchable, spoken and could even
be displayed -- see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0412
for additional discussion and examples


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[frame user]

Hi Winfried,

Thanks for the tip!
The eps files are indeed still in the file.
But isn't it possible to let the anchored frame untouched and move/resize
the eps itself to the anchored frame?
The anchored frames needs to stay on the same location in my document.

What does esc+m and p exactly do btw?

Thanks!


On 5/16/06, Reng, Winfried  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I guess the graphics files are not gone. They are
> still there but changed their position in your
> anchored frame.
>
> The reason is probably that the dimensions of your
> EPS graphics or the bounding box dimensions changed.
>
> Just select the anchored frame, press CTRL+a to select
> everything in the anchored frame and then press
> ESC+m, release these buttons and then press p. That
> shrinks the anchored frame to its content. Now your
> EPS file should appear again.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> > -Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com]Im
> > Auftrag von frame user
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Mai 2006 15:09
> > An: framers at frameusers.com
> > Betreff: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open
> > the eps images
> > and resave them in a more recent version that the original
> > eps file (i use
> > for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a
> > previous version of illustrator) then some images just
> > dissappear in the
> > framemaker file.
> > They are just gone, I need to import them again.
> > The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all.
> > Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?
> >
> > Thanks!
>

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Niels Fanøe]

I appreciate that some you are afraid that the US will lose jobs to India and 
such countries. But take a bigger perspective on this, will you? If India 
(et.al.) are not involved with "Western" technology - if they don't get any 
hi-tech jobs and industries - how are they ever going to be able to buy 
American (or Danish, for that matter) products and services? Only by sharing 
our wealth (and jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the 
long run.

-Niels

AW: eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[Reng, Winfried]

Hi,

As Rick Quatro pointed out this happens sometimes. I experienced
that 10 years ago on FM on UNIX regularly with EPS files from
CorelDraw. I do not know any rules when this will happen. Maybe
you changed anything which affects the dimensions or the bounding
box even if that?s not noticeable for you. E.g. anchor points of
splines which lie outside of the visible part of your graphics.
You might compare these values before/after. You could check the
EPS files in a text editor or with GhostScript/GhostView.

The shortcut is described in the FrameMaker help (Quick reference
(Windows) | Graphics | Graphic frames):
Shrink-wrap an anchored frame (shrink the frame to an object and
position the frame at the insertion point): Esc m p

This shortcut works equally well with equations.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-
> Von: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com]Im
> Auftrag von frame user
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2006 09:26
> An: framers at frameusers.com
> Betreff: Re: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
> 
> 
> Hi Winfried,
> 
> Thanks for the tip!
> The eps files are indeed still in the file.
> But isn't it possible to let the anchored frame untouched and 
> move/resize
> the eps itself to the anchored frame?
> The anchored frames needs to stay on the same location in my document.
> 
> What does esc+m and p exactly do btw?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> On 5/16/06, Reng, Winfried  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I guess the graphics files are not gone. They are
> > still there but changed their position in your
> > anchored frame.
> >
> > The reason is probably that the dimensions of your
> > EPS graphics or the bounding box dimensions changed.
> >
> > Just select the anchored frame, press CTRL+a to select
> > everything in the anchored frame and then press
> > ESC+m, release these buttons and then press p. That
> > shrinks the anchored frame to its content. Now your
> > EPS file should appear again.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Winfried
> >
> > > -Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-
> > > Von: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> > > [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com]Im
> > > Auftrag von frame user
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Mai 2006 15:09
> > > An: framers at frameusers.com
> > > Betreff: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open
> > > the eps images
> > > and resave them in a more recent version that the original
> > > eps file (i use
> > > for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can 
> be made in a
> > > previous version of illustrator) then some images just
> > > dissappear in the
> > > framemaker file.
> > > They are just gone, I need to import them again.
> > > The strange thing is that this occures with some images 
> but not all.
> > > Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> >
> ___

Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Diane Gaskill]

Bingo!  Well, one insider, anyway.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:27 AM
To: Diane Gaskill
Cc: Max Dunn; Framers
Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?


Sounds like the communication problem is that insiders are leaking you
unofficial information... Yikes!!!

On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill  wrote:
> According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor.
Hmmm.
> It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe.  At
this
> point, I don't know who really knows what and I'm inclined not to believe
> anything on this topic until I see the app on the screen.
> 'Nuff said.

--
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Diane Gaskill]

Sorry, Art, but the subject never came up.  In any case, with people sending
me offlist nasty-grams and others on my back online for a rumor which isn't
even mine, I would not let the list know even if I knew.  I'm not the type
leave the list as _some_ people have done when under pressure, but the
thought has crossed my mind, even after 14 active years on this list.

Diane

===

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:37 AM
To: Diane Gaskill
Cc: Alan Houser; framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb
Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?


Diane,

Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very
quietly, the FM development "department" is still (in exile?) in
India.

Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back
to Adobe HQ?

Art

On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill  wrote:
> Alan,
>
> I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd expect
> that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates.  But as you say,
> who knows?  We'll just have to wait and see.
>
> Either way, what I have now does the job I need to do.  Well, almost.  I'd
> definitely like to see some better input filters.  But that's a different
> topic.
>
> Diane

--
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

The horse is dead already. WAS: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Diane Gaskill]

There is no comm prob at all between me and my contact, and my contact is
repeating something they heard inside Adobe.  No matter what anyone says, my
contact is reliable.  But the original source of the information, which was
not revealed to me, is apparently not.

OKAY FOLKS, the horse is dead already.  Continuing this thread is a waste of
the list bandwidth as well as mine, and I'll not reply to any more messages
on the subject, on or off list.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: John Posada [mailto:jposad...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:51 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; Max Dunn
Cc: Framers
Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?


> According to the developer who gave me the info, this
> is not a rumor.  Hmmm. It sounds like there are some
> communications problems within Adobe.

The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is
between the two of you and your contacts, none of which speak for
Adobe. Adobe has not communicated anything, so there is no
communication problem. Right now, all the two of you have is rumors,
and there is ALWAYS a communication problm with rumors.



John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

Release Date for FrameMaker 8

[Paul Findon]

On 16 May 2006, at 14:42, David Creamer wrote:

> Acrobat 8 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. I would 
> imagine it
> will support importing/imbedding of Flash files.

My inside Adobe source tells me that it will be Acrobat 9 that will 
have full integration with Flash because Adobe and Macromedia engineers 
have only been able to talk to each other since the deal was sealed in 
December 2005 and Acrobat 8 is well into it's current development 
cycle.

Apparently, we'll also see Macromedia 9 and GoLive CS3 before one or 
the other is dropped and the best of both is melded into one super Web 
authoring tool.

FrameMaker 8.0 will be released on Monday 11 September. And that's 
official.

Over and out,

Paul

Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Shlomo Perets]

Dieter,

You wrote:

>Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update
>FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years
>http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332
>If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces 
>documentation for the European countries I strongly recommend to update as 
>soon as possible.
>Multiple Undo, numerous bug fixes and the XML related improvements are 
>really a good basis for the future of Desktop Publishing with or without 
>XML and be worth the upgrade costs. ...

Just for the record: with very few exceptions, the "numerous bug fixes" you 
are referring to are related to new issues introduced in FM7.2
(i.e. for those who did not upgrade to FM7.2, the bug fixes are pretty 
insignificant, other than the limited support for some of the missing 
characters in the Cyrillic, Central European and Baltic codepages; I am not 
sure as to mouse wheel support).
[... and no comments as to the FM7.2 Multiple Undo]

But let's hope that next version of FrameMaker -- whatever its number is 
and whenever it is released -- along with useful new functions/features, 
will address some of the bugs that have been logged with FrameMaker 5.0 
(1994) or earlier, and are brought up in this forum from time to time 
(refreshing the screen, dialog box sizing, table sorting issues, 
conditional text, spelling, graphic output problems, and many other issues).

And hopefully next version of FM will have a better online help. The help 
system for 7.0 was used as is in 7.1 and 7.2 , with its left-over "see on 
page" references, along with other problems.
According to the version information, the online help for FM7.2 was 
compiled on March 14, 2002 -- i.e. three and a half years before the actual 
product was shipped.

Development efforts of the next FM version should also not neglect the PDFs 
manuals included with the product (content as well as interactivity; 
usefulness as on-screen PDFs is a plus). It would be nice if the FrameMaker 
Character Sets PDF is finally inspected and fixed. The FM6.0 version was 
used as is in all subsequent versions (including 7.2), despite its reported 
inaccuracies. Having all links work in the PDFs would also be nice.

Some examples for the above are at:
http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0511
http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0404
http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0312


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

XSLT and DocType declaration

[Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)]

We try to use an XSLT on import of XML (FM 7.2).

Now the XSLT removes the DocType declaration from the XML file. We can reset 
the DocType itself, but how can we resolve the Document Specific Declarations, 
like: 

As these are 'in' the DocType element they disappear after transformation. 

thanks,


Met vriendelijke groet/Kind regards,
Wim Hooghwinkel 
Wim Hooghwinkel
DTP and XML Manager T: +31 (0)23 548 48 84
F: +31 (0)23 548 48 85 wimh at scriptware.nl
www.scriptware.nl 

Acrobat and Flash (was: Release Date for ...)

[Shlomo Perets]

David Creamer wrote:

>Acrobat 8 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. I would imagine it
>will support importing/imbedding of Flash files.

Integration may be improved, but Flash can be linked (web/local) or 
embedded in Acrobat, starting with Acrobat Professional 6.

See a sample PDF at http://www.microtype.com/showcase/MultiMedia_Acro6.pdf 
(96K) with a link to a tutorial (web-based SWF) at the bottom-right corner 
of page 1.
[Some of the other web-based files linked in this sample PDF are currently 
not accessible.]


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

Hex code Z and z

[Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)]

Hello,

I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character 
set PDF. Where to find?

thanks,

Met vriendelijke groet/Kind regards,
Wim Hooghwinkel 
Wim Hooghwinkel
DTP and XML Manager T: +31 (0)23 548 48 84
F: +31 (0)23 548 48 85 wimh at scriptware.nl
www.scriptware.nl 

Hex code Z and z

[Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)]

ok, I found it (saved FM as MIF): 
entity "zcaron" is fm char "\xfe";
entity "Zcaron" is fm char "\xfa";


Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl
DTP and XML Management

Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl
tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84
fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85
http://www.scriptware.nl
info at scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:23 PM
To: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)
Subject: Re: Hex code Z and z


>Hello,
>
>I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character 
>set PDF. Where to find?

Wim

z = 7A

Z = 5A

(Or at least, that's what PopChar is telling me.)
-- 
Steve

Hex code Z and z

[Bill Briggs]

At 2:16 PM +0200 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote:
>I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character 
>set PDF. Where to find?

 The Hex values are thus:

 Z = 5A

 z = 7A

- web

CMYK problems

[David Creamer]

> The printer is saying that the 'black' text will come out as a muddy
> brown with misregistration issues (not sure what that means) and he is
> also not happy with the other colours.
> 
In Acrobat Pro 7, try this to solve the RGB black type problem:

Create the file without any special conversion.
Go to the Tools>Print Production>Convert Colors menu.
Set the Action menu to Convert.
Set the Destination Space Profile to your color space (try SWOP Coated).
Select Preserve Black Objects (this should keep RGB black as 100% K).
Click OK.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified (since 1995) for ALL Print and Web
Publishing-related software
Authorized Quark Provider (since 1988)
Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified
Apple Certified Consultant (since 1990)

Non-printing Colors Insist on Printing!

[Mike Wickham]

> The "Don't Print" setting in a color definition specifically relates
> to printing color separations from FrameMaker. Colors defined as
> "Don't Print" do not appear on any printed plate when printing
> to color plates, but will print otherwise.
>
> You can suppress specific colors from being displayed and printed
> can be done through "Color Views", but this will requires toggling
> from one view to another to show/hide the specific colors
> (eg view #6 shows all colors, view #1 hides the 'NoPrint' color).

Thanks, Shlomo. I didn't realize that "Don't Print" only relates to printing 
color separations. Using Color Views is a good workaround.

> White text, although invisible on a white background, is carried
> over to the PS/PDF output. It is searchable, spoken and could even
> be displayed -- see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0412
> for additional discussion and examples

I knew about the possible downside of using hidden text, but a hidden 
cross-reference was part of the only solution I could think of to make Part 
Titles ripple forward for use in chapter page headers. The <$volnum> system 
variable picks up the part numbers easily enough, but not the part titles.

Mike Wickham
Pleco Press, Inc.
"Aquarium books endorsed by fish!"

Hex code Z and z

[Bill Briggs]

But the ones you have written aren't characters Z and z, but rather they are 
accented characters (Z or z with a caron, or hacek). They are in the upper 128 
of an 8-bit char table and will vary depending on the char set. If you look 
here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/latin2.html
at ISO 8859-2 Latin Alphabet 2 then they map differently from the mapping you 
have indicated below. You must be using a different char set. In any event, you 
asked for plain Z and z, which is not what you've indicated below.

- web

At 2:39 PM +0200 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote:
>ok, I found it (saved FM as MIF):
>entity "zcaron" is fm char "\xfe";
>entity "Zcaron" is fm char "\xfa";
>
>
>Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards,
>
>Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl
>DTP and XML Management
>
>Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl
>tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84
>fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85
>http://www.scriptware.nl
>info at scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:23 PM
>To: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)
>Subject: Re: Hex code Z and z
>
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I am trying to find the hex code for Z and z - these are not in the character 
>>set PDF. Where to find?
>
>Wim
>
>z = 7A
>
>Z = 5A
>
>(Or at least, that's what PopChar is telling me.)
>--
>Steve
>___
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Frame 7.2 crashes on batch conversion

[Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)]

FrameMaker 7.2 Patchp158 crashes on batch conversion of XML to FM (menu 
file--utilitys--convert structured documents)

Is this a known behaviour?

---
Fout
---
Internal Error 7204, 6109922, 7778420, 0. FrameMaker has detected a serious 
problem and must quit.

---
OK   
---


Met vriendelijke groet/Kind regards,
Wim Hooghwinkel 
Wim Hooghwinkel
DTP and XML Manager T: +31 (0)23 548 48 84
F: +31 (0)23 548 48 85  wimh at scriptware.nl
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XSLT and DocType declaration

[Alan Houser]

Wim,

The XSLT processor reads the DTD and creates an internal representation 
of the document tree, including entity references. You should be able to 
access these entities via the XSLT unparsed-entity-uri() function. For 
example, the following fragment should populate an XSLT variable with 
the pathname to the original graphic --



I haven't tested this, but you may need to convert these entity 
references to attribute values  (e.g.  ) in 
your import XSLT transform.

It is Very Annoying that XSLT/XPath does not provide a handle to the 
original DocType declaration, but this is an XSLT issue, not a 
FrameMaker issue.

-Alan

Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) wrote:
> We try to use an XSLT on import of XML (FM 7.2).
>
> Now the XSLT removes the DocType declaration from the XML file. We can reset 
> the DocType itself, but how can we resolve the Document Specific 
> Declarations, like: 
> 
> As these are 'in' the DocType element they disappear after transformation. 
>
> thanks,
>
>   
-- 
Alan Houser, President
Group Wellesley, Inc.
412-363-3481
www.groupwellesley.com

XSLT and DocType declaration

[Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)]

thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Alan Houser [mailto:a...@groupwellesley.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:24 PM
To: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)
Cc: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Re: XSLT and DocType declaration


Wim,

The XSLT processor reads the DTD and creates an internal representation 
of the document tree, including entity references. You should be able to 
access these entities via the XSLT unparsed-entity-uri() function. For 
example, the following fragment should populate an XSLT variable with 
the pathname to the original graphic --



I haven't tested this, but you may need to convert these entity 
references to attribute values  (e.g.  ) in 
your import XSLT transform.

It is Very Annoying that XSLT/XPath does not provide a handle to the 
original DocType declaration, but this is an XSLT issue, not a 
FrameMaker issue.

-Alan

Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) wrote:
> We try to use an XSLT on import of XML (FM 7.2).
>
> Now the XSLT removes the DocType declaration from the XML file. We can reset 
> the DocType itself, but how can we resolve the Document Specific 
> Declarations, like: 
> 
> As these are 'in' the DocType element they disappear after transformation. 
>
> thanks,
>
>   
-- 
Alan Houser, President
Group Wellesley, Inc.
412-363-3481
www.groupwellesley.com

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[John Posada]

> how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for
> that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our wealth (and
> jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long
> run.

Niels...a point from both sides...

- If you can't get through the short run, the long run doesn't
matter. You're looking at it from the perspective of the collective.
Others are looking at it from the perspective of paying their gas and
oil bill for the next 90 days and making their kid's tuition payment
on the coming first of the month.

- Accept that a position should go to the best value, which is a
balance between cost and quality. Then get whatever training you need
to tip the balance in favor of quality; if not for your current
employer, one that allows you to make the transition as quick as possible.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

CMYK problems

[Daniel Osborn]

Hi Mike,

Thank you, changing the setting in the job options solved it. And thanks
also for the explanation of the problem for the printer.

I also discovered that if I change that setting to "Convert all colours
to CMYK", the colours in the file are also ok and the whole file is
CMYK. I didn't need to use Quite a Box of Tricks to create a CMYK file,
the output from FM was already CMYK. I'm waiting to hear from the
printer about whether either of these files is good enough to print.

Thanks,
Daniel

Daniel Osborn | Technical Writer | TomTom | daniel.osborn at tomtom.com |
+31 (0) 20 8500 934 office


-Original Message-
From: Mike Wickham [mailto:mewick...@compuserve.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:10 PM
To: Daniel Osborn
Subject: Re: CMYK problems

Daniel,

A couple of things to check. In Frame, make sure the color definitions
are 
set to Process and CMYK.

In Distiller, check the job option settings: Settings> Edit Adobe PDF 
Settings. Look on the Color tab and check Color Management Policies. The

setting there can cause 4-color black text, instead of plain black. For 
example, changing "Tag Everything for Color Management" to "Tag Only
Images 
for Color Management" can make the 4-color text go back to plain black.

Text must be plain black. If it's four-color, each ink prints on top the

other and without absolutely perfect registration (alignment) of the
four 
ink plates, you get text that's black in the middle (where all inks 
overlap), but with cyan, magenta, and yellow edges peaking out. That's
what 
causes the muddy brown the printer talked about, and makes text look
fuzzy 
rather than crystal clear.

Mike Wickham


- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel Osborn" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: CMYK problems



Hi,



I have some questions about creating pdf files for a printer. To try and
get it right, I'm currently doing the following:

1. Only use cmyk .eps images.

2. Set GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK to 'Printing'

3. Save as pdf rather than print to pdf.

4. Convert the resulting pdf to cmyk using Quite a box of tricks.



I use save as pdf because I found that the images lost a lot of quality
when the pdf was converted to cmyk, although I think this may have been
before I started using .eps images.



The files I generated have been printed with very good results. Many
thanks to everyone on the list who helped me get to this stage when I
first had to produce a file for a printer.



I'm now delivering to a different printer and they don't like the
colours in the pdf. The images are not a problem, it's the colours used
for text, thumb tabs and shading in tables.

In FM, the colours are defined like this:

Black   K 100%

Red M 90%  Y 86%

GreyK 30%

And I have some text in an .eps image which is defined as K 100%.



In the pdf the colours have these values:

Black   C 75%  M 68%  Y 67%  B 90%

Red C 3%M 100%  Y 100%

GreyC 21%  M 16%  Y 16%

And the black text in the .eps image is C 75%  M 69%  Y 62%  B 75%



The printer is saying that the 'black' text will come out as a muddy
brown with misregistration issues (not sure what that means) and he is
also not happy with the other colours.



I used the Output preview tool in Acrobat Pro 7 to get these figures
(and so did the printer).



I've tried printing to pdf with the same result and also changing
GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK to None, with the same result. Can anyone
help me with this? I can understand that some colours will change
slightly but I don't understand why black comes out like this and also
why the black in an .eps image has changed so much.



I'm also a little confused that the last printer didn't have any
problems with the files, at least none that he told me about.



I'm using Framemaker 7.2p158. The printer suggested I use FM 6 on the
Mac instead...



Thanks,

Daniel



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Frame 7.2 crashes on batch conversion

[Art Campbell]

Sounds either as if you're running out of memory or hitting a problem
that's delaying a read or write...

Amount of RAM?
Are the files across a network?
Does the problem occur when all files are open?

Art



On 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)  wrote:
> FrameMaker 7.2 Patchp158 crashes on batch conversion of XML to FM (menu 
> file--utilitys--convert structured documents)
>
> Is this a known behaviour?
>
> ---
> Fout
> ---
> Internal Error 7204, 6109922, 7778420, 0. FrameMaker has detected a serious 
> problem and must quit.

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Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals

[nancy carpenter]

I still use the numeric outline form for all the large documents.  We often
go down 3 or 4 levels below the chapter, and the numbering makes it clear
where we are.

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Lead Technical Writer
GENCO Distribution System
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Subject: Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals


Guys,

When you write a Technical Manual do you number heads and sections with
1.1, 1.2, 1.2.1 etc. I have a manual which is essentially an API and
it's numbered that way. It looks very cluttered to me. By taking that
out and using conventional styles, it has an easier UI to me.

What's the general consensus on numbering with the 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.2 type
of way? Is that generally history now, or is it actually still used a
lot?


Thanks,

Gillian Flato

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Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Niels Fanøe]

Niels:
-> > how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for 
-> > that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our 
-> wealth (and 
-> > jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long 
-> > run.

John:
-> Niels...a point from both sides...
-> 
-> - If you can't get through the short run, the long run 
-> doesn't matter. You're looking at it from the perspective of 
-> the collective.
-> Others are looking at it from the perspective of paying 
-> their gas and oil bill for the next 90 days and making their 
-> kid's tuition payment on the coming first of the month.

Yeah, well, I think that if we don't make it in the long run, who cares about 
the short run.
As for the energy bills and tuition system in the US, and the welfare system in 
general, this is not the place to discuss that (I know what you mean, though). 
The US seems to be working up its trillion dollar debt on other things at the 
moment...

-> - Accept that a position should go to the best value, which 
-> is a balance between cost and quality. Then get whatever 
-> training you need to tip the balance in favor of quality; if 
-> not for your current employer, one that allows you to make 
-> the transition as quick as possible.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Anyway - I just wanted to pitch in 
with a little global outlook. End of sermon! ;o)

-Niels

Frame 7.2 crashes on batch conversion

[Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)]

Problem is 'solved' - sorry to have bothered you (deadline) but it still is 
a bug in FM7.2:

It turned out to be an image, EPS image that actually wasn't EPS but AI format. 
FrameMaker 7.1 had no problem importing the XML, but FrameMaker 7.2 crashed. 
Illustration was identified as pdf (NDATA pdf) when the XML was created in FM 
7.1. Extension was .EPS. Apparently FM 7.2 can't handle this misinterpretation?

Wim.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:09 PM
To: Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware); List, Framers
Subject: Re: Frame 7.2 crashes on batch conversion


Sounds either as if you're running out of memory or hitting a problem
that's delaying a read or write...

Amount of RAM?
Are the files across a network?
Does the problem occur when all files are open?

Art



On 5/17/06, Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)  wrote:
> FrameMaker 7.2 Patchp158 crashes on batch conversion of XML to FM (menu 
> file--utilitys--convert structured documents)
>
> Is this a known behaviour?
>
> ---
> Fout
> ---
> Internal Error 7204, 6109922, 7778420, 0. FrameMaker has detected a serious 
> problem and must quit.

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problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)

[Jakob Fix]

Hello,

I have put together a process to batch process our FrameMaker files to
create PDF files, like this:

step 1) the Cudspan batch tool helps me create the batch file for a
given book (the batch file contains three instructions for each
FrameMaker file contained in the book: 1) open the file, 2) save as
postscript in the in/ folder of a watched folder, 3) close original).
this is a one-off step.

step 2) the Cudspan batch tool then runs this file from within
FrameMaker.  The postscript files are saved in the watched folder of
Acrobat Distiller which starts converting the arriving postscript
files in the out/ folder.

Now here's the problem: While most files convert OK, in some of them
the pages are assembled in the reverse order, i.e. in the resulting
PDF document the last page is shown first, and the first page becomes
the last page.

I have one batch where the first four documents have their page order
reversed, and all others are fine.  Another batch has no problems at
all.

I have made sure that the "Last Sheet First" option in the Print
Document dialogue box is unchecked for all files.

Manually printing these files to postscript and then manually
distilling them works fine.

I have also tried different postscript printers, but had so far no
success in getting these renegade files to behave.

What could the problem be, and how can I solve this?

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.


PS: thanks to Cudspan for making available for free his ever so useful plugins!

Off topic: 4-color Quark book on PC vs. Mac?

[Robert Kern]

Framers,

We do most of our books in 1-color using Frame on the PC, but are now 
doing a cool trade book that has a 4-color signature tucked in the 
middle. The client requires that we use Quark, but we can use PC or Mac.

Any CMYK separation issues I should watch out for if we do this on the 
PC instead of the Mac???

-bob

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Off topic: 4-color Quark book on PC vs. Mac?

[Mark Barratt]

Robert Kern wrote:

> Any CMYK separation issues I should watch out for if we do this on the 
> PC instead of the Mac???

No. Quark, like InDesign, produces its own PostScript output rather than 
relying on the OS, so it isn't limited by Windows' color model.

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problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Jakob:

I have a few guesses that might help track down the problem:

* Set Distiller to check the watched folder at greater intervals, to 
give more time for the .ps files to be written completely. (Just a 
hunch.)

* Use DoBatch to import, to each .fm file, a printfile whose settings 
reassert the print last page first OFF option.

HTH


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

>I have put together a process to batch process our FrameMaker files to
>create PDF files, like this:
>
>step 1) the Cudspan batch tool helps me create the batch file for a
>given book (the batch file contains three instructions for each
>FrameMaker file contained in the book: 1) open the file, 2) save as
>postscript in the in/ folder of a watched folder, 3) close original).
>this is a one-off step.
>
>step 2) the Cudspan batch tool then runs this file from within
>FrameMaker.  The postscript files are saved in the watched folder of
>Acrobat Distiller which starts converting the arriving postscript
>files in the out/ folder.
>
>Now here's the problem: While most files convert OK, in some of them
>the pages are assembled in the reverse order, i.e. in the resulting
>PDF document the last page is shown first, and the first page becomes
>the last page.
>
>I have one batch where the first four documents have their page order
>reversed, and all others are fine.  Another batch has no problems at
>all.
>
>I have made sure that the "Last Sheet First" option in the Print
>Document dialogue box is unchecked for all files.

problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)

[Jakob Fix]

Hello Peter,

On 5/17/06, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Hi, Jakob:
>
> I have a few guesses that might help track down the problem:
>
> * Set Distiller to check the watched folder at greater intervals, to
> give more time for the .ps files to be written completely. (Just a
> hunch.)

I had it set to 10 secs, and now I changed it to 30 secs, but the the
problem doesn't go away.  Interesting fact: it's always the same
file(s).

> * Use DoBatch to import, to each .fm file, a printfile whose settings
> reassert the print last page first OFF option.

I'll look into this (I guess it's documented in the Cudspan userguide?)

thanks for your super quick reply

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.

OT: insider sources

[Bill Swallow]

It's interesting to hear how many people have insider sources at Adobe
and other companies, and how willing they are to share this info with
the community at large. Call me crazy, but unless the word is
official, I'd opt to hold my cards close for fear of either spreading
miscommunication or potentially finding myself at the wrong end of a
law suit.

-- 
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HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

insider sources

[Anne Robotti]

> It's interesting to hear how many people have insider sources 
> at Adobe and other companies, and how willing they are to 
> share this info with the community at large. Call me crazy, 
> but unless the word is official, I'd opt to hold my cards 
> close for fear of either spreading miscommunication or 
> potentially finding myself at the wrong end of a law suit.

And not only that, but to keep having that inside source! I can't
imagine that Adobe or any company would be too happy with a person
giving out confidential information to someone who'd post it on a
newsgroup or list - don't people get fired for that? If you can get
fired from Google or Mademoiselle for what you write in a private blog,
anything is possible.

So if the information is false, better not spread it, and if it's true -
*doubly* better not spread it!

Anne



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insider sources

[Joe Malin]

Hmmm. I doubt that Adobe insiders are giving out anything confidential.
Most Silicon Valley companies make it clear what is and isn't
"confidential." For example, almost all the stuff my company does is
confidential. I would never say anything about *our business* that isn't
already posted on our official web site. 

I'm careful about the opinions I post  on this list; not only is that
good for my company, but good for my career as well.

If an Adobe insider "tells" you something, it's of course unofficial
unless Adobe announced it as a press release. In the world of
shrink-wrapped products, unofficial stuff floats around all the time.
Most companies don't care; any publicity is good! 


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Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
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www.tuvox.com
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necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

Workspace management tools

[Joe Malin]

Hi!

Does anyone have a good add-on FM 7.x tool for managing "workspaces"?
I'd like to be able to save my current work and then reload it so that
all the open docs in a book re-open and go right to the point where I
was last editing.

Also, does anyone have an add-on for placing *editing* bookmarks? I'd
like to drop a bookmark in one doc, go someplace else, and then come
back to that bookmark. It's OK if it stays in the doc, as long as it
doesn't affect PDF or XML (HTML) output.

Joe


TuVox, Inc.


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Formatting Hypertext Links

[Doug]

I currently am inserting hypertext links into my FM documents linking
to PDFs.  The links work fine; after I PDF Document A, the link opens
the PDF Document B in Acrobat when click the link in PDF A.

What I want to know is this:  I want the keyword I lighted when I
created the link to be formatted with blue color and underlining.  Is
there a way to add this automatically when I create the link, or do I
need to create a format with the appropriate characteristics?

--Doug

Formatting Hypertext Links

[Shlomo Perets]

Doug,

You wrote:

>I currently am inserting hypertext links into my FM documents linking
>to PDFs.  The links work fine; after I PDF Document A, the link opens
>the PDF Document B in Acrobat when click the link in PDF A.
>
>What I want to know is this:  I want the keyword I lighted when I
>created the link to be formatted with blue color and underlining.  Is
>there a way to add this automatically when I create the link, or do I
>need to create a format with the appropriate characteristics?

Applying a character format to the link text is essential (even when you 
don't want to show the link distinctly), because it lets you limit the 
link's area. Numeric underline is recommended, as it somewhat lower 
compared to the regular underline, and also thinner.

FrameMaker lets you create the link, but does not let you control the 
visual properties of the link (as available in Acrobat): highlight style or 
border/underline associated with the link as an object.

[ With my FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers add-on it is possible to to have an 
underline that behaves and looks differently: it can be visible on-screen 
but not printed, so that paper output is not cluttered. Properties that can 
be controlled include underline color, thickness, baseline offset, link 
highlight style.
These underlines are displayed uniformly in Acrobat, regardless of the zoom 
level; FrameMaker's underlines -- whether single or thin -- are thick and 
are displayed inconsistently (some may show up as thick and other as thin; 
zoom in or out and what was thick may now be thin and vice versa).
Acrobat/Reader 6 or higher are needed to display the PDF.
A sample PDF is available at http://www.microtype.com/showcase/VisLinks.pdf 
(60K); see http://www.microtype.com/improvePDF.html#19 for more information.
The entire active area created by cross-references and hypertext markers 
can be automatically handled this way; applying a character format is still 
needed to control the link area. ]

Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

Structured Opened in Standard Frame

[Shlomo Perets]

Don,

You wrote:

>Just a quick confirmation when you open a structured Frame using the
>unstructured Frame interface and you choose to "Edit" rather than "View
>Only" the structure info is no longer there.

That's true!

>Is this a permanent thing?

Yes.

>To recover the structured info do I have to
>treat it like any other unstructured to structured conversion?

Correct. It could actually even be much worse than regular unstructured to 
structured, because if the EDD formatting does not map elements to unique 
paragraph tags (which is a valid approach), you may end up with a document 
that is all "Body" (and hence the conversion utility won't apply).


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

Structured Opened in Standard Frame

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Don:

If you haven't saved the file, or if you've saved it to a new name, 
then the structure isn't lost...yet!

If you've made changes and saved, the structure IS lost. However, if 
you need the structure back, and you have a recent version of the 
original structured file, you can open both in the structured 
interface and compare the edited one to the original with File > 
Utilities > Compare Documents, and transfer the edits to the 
structured file. MAKE A SAFETY COPY of the structured original before 
proceeding!

HTH


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices


At 2:27 PM -0500 5/17/06, Donald M Rinderknecht wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Just a quick confirmation when you open a structured Frame using 
>the unstructured Frame interface and you choose to "Edit" rather 
>than "View Only" the structure info is no longer there.
>
>Is this a permanent thing? To recover the structured info do I have 
>to treat it like any other unstructured to structured conversion?

Career advice--which application to focus on: FM or Word?

[Ron Miller]

I agree with John, tools are always changing, but that said, if you have 
a choice, Frame is just so much more solid than Word. I've been working 
on two projects recently. In one I'm in Word and I'm having the hardest 
time just sticking to a template. If I experiment with style changes, 
Word creates a new style like Body + blue font + 6 pt line spacing. It 
handles numbered lists very poorly and it is quirky and seems to lack 
any coherent use model. Frame on the other, while not perfect (what 
software is) and certainly less intuitive at least does what you want it 
to do and doesn't try to do so many things you wish it wouldn't.

Ron



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> 
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I would like some advice from anyone who has worked in
>> the technical writing field for more than 3 years. My 
>> question is this:
> 
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> 
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Auto-creating tables

[Joe Malin]

Not that I know of.

In fact, the opposite *does* work. If you create a table with a title,
format the title with a paragraph format, and then update the table tag
in Table Designer, then Table Designer inserts the properly formatted
title whenever you insert a table.

Doug's way would be nice, too.

Joe 


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Subject: Auto-creating tables

Is there a way to automatically create a table when you apply a specific
paragraph format?  One of my paragraph formats is a heading that
introduces a table.  I'd like the table to display automatically when I
finish creating the table's heading.  I was hoping to place the table on
a reference page and call it via the Frame Below Paragraph function on
the Advanced tab of the Paragraph Designer, but it won't let me put a
table on the reference page.

What's the Best Practice for this purpose?

Thanks!

--Doug
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Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, all.

I hope this issue has an obvious answer. Here is the context:


1. I am using FrameMaker 7.2p158 on a Windows PC and Acrobat 7.0.7 Professional.

2. My FrameMaker book has text insets (relevance will become clear in a
moment).

3. I use cross-references to header paragraphs, tables and other sections
of my book.

4. I use the "Save Book as PDF" menu item to generate my PDF file from the
FrameMaker book.


Some of the cross-references automatically result in clickable hyper-links
in the PDF, but some don't!?!

I have not isolated this to the text insets, although that was my initial
reaction to the problem.

Is there any way to force the PDF to contain the links for all such cross-
references? I would *strongly* prefer not to edit the PDF to add them in
manually into the PDF - this file is re-generated from FrameMaker too often
in this document!

Z

Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?

[Martha J Davidson]

At 04:14 PM 5/17/2006, Syed.Hosain at aeris.net wrote:
>I have not isolated this to the text insets, although that was my initial
>reaction to the problem.

That's exactly it. Cross-references in text insets don't become
clickable links in PDF. Unfortunately, that's how it's built.

>Is there any way to force the PDF to contain the links for all such cross-
>references? I would *strongly* prefer not to edit the PDF to add them in
>manually into the PDF - this file is re-generated from FrameMaker too often
>in this document!

The only way is to convert the insets to text before generating
the PDF. I had Rick Quatro write a custom FrameScript for me
that does this and generates the PDF, then restores the insets.
That was the only solution I could come up with that didn't
involve lots of manual work each time I needed PDFs.

martha
--
Martha Jane {Kolman | Davidson}
Dances With Words
editrix at nemasys.com

"Too many words bring about exhaustion."
  --Tao Te Ching, Chapter 5 (translated by Sheets/Tovey)

Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Syed,

There is another way to make these work. You can put a hypertext marker over
the cross reference, and the link will work in the PDF.

~~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
Intelligent technical communication since 1993
Technical writing, help development,
FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions
lindag at techcomplus.com
http://www.techcomplus.com/
303-450-9076
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Special Interest Group
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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:15 PM
To: Framers List
Subject: Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?


Hi, all.

I hope this issue has an obvious answer. Here is the context:


1. I am using FrameMaker 7.2p158 on a Windows PC and Acrobat 7.0.7
Professional.

2. My FrameMaker book has text insets (relevance will become clear in a
moment).

3. I use cross-references to header paragraphs, tables and other sections
of my book.

4. I use the "Save Book as PDF" menu item to generate my PDF file from the
FrameMaker book.


Some of the cross-references automatically result in clickable hyper-links
in the PDF, but some don't!?!

I have not isolated this to the text insets, although that was my initial
reaction to the problem.

Is there any way to force the PDF to contain the links for all such cross-
references? I would *strongly* prefer not to edit the PDF to add them in
manually into the PDF - this file is re-generated from FrameMaker too often
in this document!

Z
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Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Martha.

Martha J Davidson wrote:
> At 04:14 PM 5/17/2006, Syed.Hosain at aeris.net wrote:
>> I have not isolated this to the text insets, although that was my initial
>> reaction to the problem.
> 
> That's exactly it. Cross-references in text insets don't become
> clickable links in PDF. Unfortunately, that's how it's built.
> 
>> Is there any way to force the PDF to contain the links for all such 
>> cross-
>> references? I would *strongly* prefer not to edit the PDF to add them in
>> manually into the PDF - this file is re-generated from FrameMaker too 
>> often
>> in this document!
> 
> The only way is to convert the insets to text before generating
> the PDF. I had Rick Quatro write a custom FrameScript for me
> that does this and generates the PDF, then restores the insets.
> That was the only solution I could come up with that didn't
> involve lots of manual work each time I needed PDFs.

Ouch! Seems a bit overkill ... may have to be the solution I go
to to solve this.

Thanks!

Z

Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Linda.

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
> There is another way to make these work. You can put a hypertext marker over
> the cross reference, and the link will work in the PDF.

Will that work with cross-references in text in imported documents (imported
by reference, not copied into the document) too?

BTW, I call these imports "text insets", although I am not sure if that is
what people mean by this term (in all the Framers List stuff I have seen so
far).

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:15 PM
> To: Framers List
> Subject: Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?
> 
> 
> Hi, all.
> 
> I hope this issue has an obvious answer. Here is the context:
> 
> 
> 1. I am using FrameMaker 7.2p158 on a Windows PC and Acrobat 7.0.7
> Professional.
> 
> 2. My FrameMaker book has text insets (relevance will become clear in a
> moment).
> 
> 3. I use cross-references to header paragraphs, tables and other sections
> of my book.
> 
> 4. I use the "Save Book as PDF" menu item to generate my PDF file from the
> FrameMaker book.
> 
> 
> Some of the cross-references automatically result in clickable hyper-links
> in the PDF, but some don't!?!
> 
> I have not isolated this to the text insets, although that was my initial
> reaction to the problem.
> 
> Is there any way to force the PDF to contain the links for all such cross-
> references? I would *strongly* prefer not to edit the PDF to add them in
> manually into the PDF - this file is re-generated from FrameMaker too often
> in this document!
> 
> Z

Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Yes, that is precisely why we did this. We (Tammy Van Boening) and I
developed this method to work on docs in her previous job to resolve the
exact issue you mention, xrefs to and from text insets.

You can find details in our supplemental handout here:
http://www.writersua.com/ohc06/suppmatl.htm.

~~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
Intelligent technical communication since 1993
Technical writing, help development,
FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions
lindag at techcomplus.com
http://www.techcomplus.com/
303-450-9076
800-500-3144
~~
Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting
Special Interest Group
Society for Technical Communication
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
~~


-Original Message-
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:31 PM
To: lindag at techcomplus.com
Cc: Framers List
Subject: Re: Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?


Hi, Linda.

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
> There is another way to make these work. You can put a hypertext marker
over
> the cross reference, and the link will work in the PDF.

Will that work with cross-references in text in imported documents (imported
by reference, not copied into the document) too?

BTW, I call these imports "text insets", although I am not sure if that is
what people mean by this term (in all the Framers List stuff I have seen so
far).

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:15 PM
> To: Framers List
> Subject: Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?
>
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I hope this issue has an obvious answer. Here is the context:
>
>
> 1. I am using FrameMaker 7.2p158 on a Windows PC and Acrobat 7.0.7
> Professional.
>
> 2. My FrameMaker book has text insets (relevance will become clear in a
> moment).
>
> 3. I use cross-references to header paragraphs, tables and other sections
> of my book.
>
> 4. I use the "Save Book as PDF" menu item to generate my PDF file from the
> FrameMaker book.
>
>
> Some of the cross-references automatically result in clickable hyper-links
> in the PDF, but some don't!?!
>
> I have not isolated this to the text insets, although that was my initial
> reaction to the problem.
>
> Is there any way to force the PDF to contain the links for all such cross-
> references? I would *strongly* prefer not to edit the PDF to add them in
> manually into the PDF - this file is re-generated from FrameMaker too
often
> in this document!
>
> Z

Hyperlinks in Acrobat not present?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Thanks much, Linda! I will check out that link.

Z

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
> Yes, that is precisely why we did this. We (Tammy Van Boening) and I
> developed this method to work on docs in her previous job to resolve the
> exact issue you mention, xrefs to and from text insets.
> 
> You can find details in our supplemental handout here:
> http://www.writersua.com/ohc06/suppmatl.htm.

Numbering Systems for Technical Service Manuals

[Daniel Emory]

--- "Linda G. Gallagher" 
wrote:
> I only use that type of numbering when a client
> insists on it. Typically,
> those clients are engineers with content targeting
> other engineers.
==
The complaint that prompted Ms. Gallagher's response
was that multi-level numbering schemes "looked
clunky," the implication being that such numbering
offended the writer's esthetic sensibilities. Ms.
Gallagher's response is a laughable explanation for
when (or why) multi-level numbering of topics (as well
as tables and graphics) might be necessary. 

No doubt most engineers use such numbering schemes
because it is the only assured way to avoid ambiguity
when you reference something. The legal profession
uses such numbering schemes for the same reason. Then
there are the military and the Air Trasport
Association (ATA) (among many others) which also
require such numbering schemes because a number
provides a way to double-check that that the user is
following the correct procedure.

Someone else pointed out (correctly) that the concept
of a content management system (CMS) also imposes a
requirement for such numbering schemes in order to
facilitate the retrieval from a CMS of the particular
information needed by a user. To implement this, the
value of each level of a multi-level number appears in
a separate attribute (ala ATA DTDs, where the
attributes are named Chapter, Section, Subject, Page
Block, Task, and Subtask). Inspection Work Cards in
the ATA system identify the applicable number(s)
associated with each task or subtask identified on an
individual work card. If the inspection results in the
need for some corrective action, the multi-level task
number specified on the work card is used to retrieve
that task from the CMS. The user can then verify that
the number on the delivered content matches the number
specified on the work card for that task. This process
of number re-verification is an essential ingredient
of a zero-tolerance maintenance environment.

Producing technical manuals of any substantial size
and scope demands an appropriate multi-level numbering
scheme, not just for titled text, but also for titled
tables and graphics.

Even relatively simple on-line help docs should have
some sort of numbering scheme. Typically, users who
can't figure out something from the on-line help will
resort to a customer help line or in-house expert. If
the user can give the help specialist the number of
the particular on-line help content where the user is
stuck, ambiguity is eliminated, a successful
resolution of the problem is more likely, and the time
to arrive at the correct solution is likely to be
minimized.




Dan Emory & Associates
FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing