Frame2000 still available?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:04 -0600 6/10/06, Combs, Richard wrote:

>Charles Grinnell wrote:
>
>> Anyone knows whether Frame2000 is still available for
>> purchase? Thanks in advance!
>
>Huh? What's a Frame2000?
>
>It's not a FrameMaker version -- those are (going back to mid-90s)
>5.5.6, 6, 7, 7.1, and 7.2.

It is, or was, a plug-in. Found this in the archives, not sure if it helps...

>   *   To: "Free Framers" 
>   *   Subject: FM 7.1 version p114
>   *   From: "Thomas Michanek" 
>   *   Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:31:31 +0200
>   *   Cc: , 
>   *   Delivered-to: jeremyg-freeframers:org-ffarchiv at 
> freeframers.org
>   *   Reply-to: "Thomas Michanek" 
>   *   Sender: owner-framers at x
>
>[ The original message appeared on the FrameUsers mailing list.
>  This reply is sent only to the "Free Framers" mailing list.
>  If this reply is useful, consider copying it to FrameUsers. ]
>
>From: Dov Isaacs 
>> At 6/10/2004 11:28 PM, Dhanagopal, Kumar S wrote:
>> > I use FM7.1.b023 (on Win XP) on which I need to install a 3rd party
>> > plug-in called Frame2000. The vendor of this plug-in says that the
>> > plug-in works only with FM7.1.P114. According to Adobe Tech Support,
>> > FM7.1.P114 does not exist. The vendor of the plug-in insists that an
>> > upgrade/patch is available from Adobe.
>>
>> Please tell the developer of your plug-in that there is absolutely
>> no "upgrade/patch" available from Adobe or elsewhere from
>> FrameMaker 7.1 b023. That version is indeed the official English
>> released version of FrameMaker 7.1. There may be later builds for
>> other languages, but any differences are associated with localization,
>> not functionality or bug fixes.
>
>It's not often that I can say that Dov is wrong, but now it seems
>to be the case. There *is* indeed a version FM 7.1 p114, which can
>be delivered in two situations, A and B:
>

[remainder not relevant to Frame2000]

-- 
Steve

FrameMaker 7.0 for Mac?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:12 -0400 6/10/06, Neil Tubb wrote:

>I use Frame 7.1 for Windows at work, but use a PowerPC Mac at home. I
>would really like to be able to work a bit from home, so was wondering
>if it would be worth picking up Frame 7.0 for Mac. So:
>
>1. Did they actually make Frame 7.0 for Mac...I keep reading about an
>upgrade, but not a real product. I realize it is now discontinued.
>
>2. Are there big problems going back and forth between the two
>platforms? I have an old (5.5) version on my Mac currently, but going
>the Save to MIF route has resulted in no end of weird issues.

Seconding what William said, yes, eBay should find you a copy if you are 
patient: that's how I got mine. Yes, it exists, and it's afaik identical to 
FrameMaker 7.0 for PC, in that is has the bugs that were fixed by version 7.1, 
which was the first release after the Mac version was discontinued. (I have no 
idea what those bugs were, but I'm sure others on this list can tell you.)

Migration between platforms should not be a big issue for you providing that 
you are aware of a few issues:

. Fonts are generally ok but you have to watch out for some dangerous ones. 
Those are generally the ones where font foundries have used different names for 
the individual faces between Mac and PC platforms. I am currently battling with 
a particularly nasty issue with Frutiger from Monotype and Linotype. TransType 
can be your friend here: .

. You can cross-map fonts in the maker.ini file on PC FrameMaker, but no such 
facility exists on the Mac.

. Forward migration between versions should be smooth. Backward migration to 
5.5 would have to be handled by the MIF route, as I expect you know, although 
FrameMaker 7.0 onwards can save in FrameMaker 6 format (as I expect you also 
already know).

. The Mac version has a different population of graphics input filters to the 
PC version: Mac FrameMaker, for example, cannot import BMP format files out of 
the box.

HTH
-- 
Steve

FrameMaker 7.0 for Mac?

[David Creamer]

> 1. Did they actually make Frame 7.0 for Mac...I keep reading about an
> upgrade, but not a real product. I realize it is now discontinued.
Yes--as mentioned, you are probably hunting for a used copy now.
Just be sure that the license transfer is part of the deal, so you become
the official owner.
>  
> 
> 2. Are there big problems going back and forth between the two
> platforms? I have an old (5.5) version on my Mac currently, but going
> the Save to MIF route has resulted in no end of weird issues.
At this point, I believe all version 7 files are compatible. You biggest
issue will be fonts--you will need Mac versions of the exact fonts used.
Even then, you might get some reflow. This may not be an issue if you are
just editing at home, not worrying about the layout. If you are using good
ol' Arial and TNR, be aware that the Mac versions are NOT the same fonts.
(On a minor note: if creating EPS files on a Mac, be sure to save with an
8-bit color TIFF preview, not the default Mac preview.)

Another option is to upgrade to an Intel Mac. You can run Windows on it a
number of ways, and there is a beta program that lets you run Windows
software directly on the Mac.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert (since 1995)
Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988)
Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified
Apple Consultant Network member (since 1990)

Issue in Optimizing PDF size

[Ridder, Fred]

For *any* book-level operation (updating, printing, etc.) to 
succeed, FrameMaker has to be able to open, save, and 
close each file "silently" (not displaying the file) with no 
messages. Any warning message upon opening any file 
(e.g., the "older version" message you report, an unresolved 
cross-reference warning, an unavailable fonts alert) will 
prevent FrameMaker from completing the "silent open" 
operation and cause the book-level operation to fail. 

Assuming that one or more of the component files in the 
book are version 5.5.x files, you have two options:

1) Open each component file in turn (dismissing the alert
message) and then explicitly save the file to convert it 
to 7.0 format so that it will open without any message the 
next time you attempt a book-level operation.

2) Open all the component files before doing the book-level
operation by using the Open All Files in Book command 
(available if you hold down Shift when you pull down the 
File menu).  You will have to manually dismiss the warning 
message for each file as it is opened. And don't forget to 
save all the files (in 7.0 format) after performing the 
book-level operation.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Radha Padmanabhan
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:39 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Issue in Optimizing PDF size

Hi, 

  I use FM 7.1 with Windows XP.

  I got a 500 page FM Book with 16 files including TOC and Index. When I
opened it was detected to be of version 5.5. I was also prompted to
Optimize for PDF size during conversion to pdf. But when doing that
(selecting the book), the files to which "Links are found" are opened. I
press 'OK' to open all the files. But the operation fails telling 

  [PDFSize]  Error: Cannot open file ama-pre.fm. 
  Error: Cannot open file ama-pre.fm.
[PDFSize] Dumping Error Information

  If I Skip this file, same error is displayed for another file.
  What is wrong in what I am doing? How do I get the optimization done?
Other than the size of PDF, how does it affect conversion to pdf.

  Thanks
Radha


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Copy-and-paste from FrameMaker PDF to text editor, preserving leading spaces?

[Guy K. Haas]

If I create a document in FrameMaker, and it contains some blocks of 
sample code...

and the code indents blocks for readability...

and I want the reader to be able to copy from the code material and 
paste into a Plain Old Text Editor...

is there any way you know of to do this in a manner that will retain the 
indentions?


I'm wrestling with conversion of a book that used our old FrameMaker 
template, but added some customizations. I'm  moving the content over to 
a new template set.  The code paragraphs (with overrides) in the old 
template used tabs to indent.  The new template has a different 
paragraph style for each level of indention, and defines no tabs in any 
of the code paragraph styles.

My template-design sense would be that code paragraph styles should be 
used to specify the indention level of the entire block of code, 
indenting it to correspond with the body paragraphs it follows:

Code para at the Body para left margin

   CodeIndent1 para at the BodyIndent1 para left margin

 etc

and then each flavor of code para should have tab stops defined on the 
same grid.  The code is in a fixed-width font, so as long as the body 
para indention system and the character width of the code font can be 
made to align (reasonably), I'd be happy.

But when I select text lines of the PDF that contain code and copy them 
to the clipboard, then paste them into a text editor, all leading spaces 
are omitted.

Ideas?

--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Docbook versus Home-Grown

[Joe Malin]

Hi!



Well, I *finally* finished the new book for our next software release,
so I can justifiably turn my attention to getting myself into structured
docs.



I am not going to go with DITA just yet. My plan is to convert my
existing unstructured docs to structure first, and then start the next
round of docs in DITA. So, my first decision is what EDD to use. Should
I develop an EDD myself from scratch, or start with the DocBook EDD? My
only hesitation in using the DocBook EDD is that it will have a lot of
elements that I don't want to use.



Any advice, particularly from those who have gone the same route, would
be much appreciated.



As you probably know, I have many years experience in software
development, so developing my own EDD is not an issue.



Joe




TuVox, Inc.


19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

Joe Malin

Technical Writer

(408)625.1623

jmalin at tuvox.com

www.tuvox.com

The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

Issue in Optimizing PDF size

[Radha Padmanabhan]

Hi, 
   
  I use FM 7.1 with Windows XP.
   
  I got a 500 page FM Book with 16 files including TOC and Index. When I opened 
it was detected to be of version 5.5. I was also prompted to Optimize for PDF 
size during conversion to pdf. But when doing that (selecting the book), the 
files to which "Links are found" are opened. I press 'OK' to open all the 
files. But the operation fails telling 
   
  [PDFSize]  Error: Cannot open file ama-pre.fm. 
  Error: Cannot open file ama-pre.fm.
[PDFSize] Dumping Error Information
   
  If I Skip this file, same error is displayed for another file.
  What is wrong in what I am doing? How do I get the optimization done? Other 
than the size of PDF, how does it affect conversion to pdf.
   
  Thanks
Radha


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RE: Frame2000 still available?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:04 -0600 6/10/06, Combs, Richard wrote:

>Charles Grinnell wrote:
>
>> Anyone knows whether Frame2000 is still available for
>> purchase? Thanks in advance!
>
>Huh? What's a Frame2000?
>
>It's not a FrameMaker version -- those are (going back to mid-90s)
>5.5.6, 6, 7, 7.1, and 7.2.

It is, or was, a plug-in. Found this in the archives, not sure if it helps...

>   *   To: "Free Framers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   *   Subject: FM 7.1 version p114
>   *   From: "Thomas Michanek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   *   Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:31:31 +0200
>   *   Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   *   Delivered-to: jeremyg-freeframers:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   *   Reply-to: "Thomas Michanek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   *   Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>[ The original message appeared on the FrameUsers mailing list.
>  This reply is sent only to the "Free Framers" mailing list.
>  If this reply is useful, consider copying it to FrameUsers. ]
>
>From: Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> At 6/10/2004 11:28 PM, Dhanagopal, Kumar S wrote:
>> > I use FM7.1.b023 (on Win XP) on which I need to install a 3rd party
>> > plug-in called Frame2000. The vendor of this plug-in says that the
>> > plug-in works only with FM7.1.P114. According to Adobe Tech Support,
>> > FM7.1.P114 does not exist. The vendor of the plug-in insists that an
>> > upgrade/patch is available from Adobe.
>>
>> Please tell the developer of your plug-in that there is absolutely
>> no "upgrade/patch" available from Adobe or elsewhere from
>> FrameMaker 7.1 b023. That version is indeed the official English
>> released version of FrameMaker 7.1. There may be later builds for
>> other languages, but any differences are associated with localization,
>> not functionality or bug fixes.
>
>It's not often that I can say that Dov is wrong, but now it seems
>to be the case. There *is* indeed a version FM 7.1 p114, which can
>be delivered in two situations, A and B:
>

[remainder not relevant to Frame2000]

-- 
Steve
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Re: FrameMaker 7.0 for Mac?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:12 -0400 6/10/06, Neil Tubb wrote:

>I use Frame 7.1 for Windows at work, but use a PowerPC Mac at home. I
>would really like to be able to work a bit from home, so was wondering
>if it would be worth picking up Frame 7.0 for Mac. So:
>
>1. Did they actually make Frame 7.0 for Mac...I keep reading about an
>upgrade, but not a real product. I realize it is now discontinued.
>
>2. Are there big problems going back and forth between the two
>platforms? I have an old (5.5) version on my Mac currently, but going
>the Save to MIF route has resulted in no end of weird issues.

Seconding what William said, yes, eBay should find you a copy if you are 
patient: that's how I got mine. Yes, it exists, and it's afaik identical to 
FrameMaker 7.0 for PC, in that is has the bugs that were fixed by version 7.1, 
which was the first release after the Mac version was discontinued. (I have no 
idea what those bugs were, but I'm sure others on this list can tell you.)

Migration between platforms should not be a big issue for you providing that 
you are aware of a few issues:

. Fonts are generally ok but you have to watch out for some dangerous ones. 
Those are generally the ones where font foundries have used different names for 
the individual faces between Mac and PC platforms. I am currently battling with 
a particularly nasty issue with Frutiger from Monotype and Linotype. TransType 
can be your friend here: .

. You can cross-map fonts in the maker.ini file on PC FrameMaker, but no such 
facility exists on the Mac.

. Forward migration between versions should be smooth. Backward migration to 
5.5 would have to be handled by the MIF route, as I expect you know, although 
FrameMaker 7.0 onwards can save in FrameMaker 6 format (as I expect you also 
already know).

. The Mac version has a different population of graphics input filters to the 
PC version: Mac FrameMaker, for example, cannot import BMP format files out of 
the box.

HTH
-- 
Steve
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Re: FrameMaker 7.0 for Mac?

[David Creamer]

> 1. Did they actually make Frame 7.0 for Mac...I keep reading about an
> upgrade, but not a real product. I realize it is now discontinued.
Yes--as mentioned, you are probably hunting for a used copy now.
Just be sure that the license transfer is part of the deal, so you become
the official owner.
>  
> 
> 2. Are there big problems going back and forth between the two
> platforms? I have an old (5.5) version on my Mac currently, but going
> the Save to MIF route has resulted in no end of weird issues.
At this point, I believe all version 7 files are compatible. You biggest
issue will be fonts--you will need Mac versions of the exact fonts used.
Even then, you might get some reflow. This may not be an issue if you are
just editing at home, not worrying about the layout. If you are using good
ol' Arial and TNR, be aware that the Mac versions are NOT the same fonts.
(On a minor note: if creating EPS files on a Mac, be sure to save with an
8-bit color TIFF preview, not the default Mac preview.)

Another option is to upgrade to an Intel Mac. You can run Windows on it a
number of ways, and there is a beta program that lets you run Windows
software directly on the Mac.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert (since 1995)
Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988)
Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified
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RE: Issue in Optimizing PDF size

[Ridder, Fred]

For *any* book-level operation (updating, printing, etc.) to 
succeed, FrameMaker has to be able to open, save, and 
close each file "silently" (not displaying the file) with no 
messages. Any warning message upon opening any file 
(e.g., the "older version" message you report, an unresolved 
cross-reference warning, an unavailable fonts alert) will 
prevent FrameMaker from completing the "silent open" 
operation and cause the book-level operation to fail. 

Assuming that one or more of the component files in the 
book are version 5.5.x files, you have two options:

1) Open each component file in turn (dismissing the alert
message) and then explicitly save the file to convert it 
to 7.0 format so that it will open without any message the 
next time you attempt a book-level operation.

2) Open all the component files before doing the book-level
operation by using the Open All Files in Book command 
(available if you hold down Shift when you pull down the 
File menu).  You will have to manually dismiss the warning 
message for each file as it is opened. And don't forget to 
save all the files (in 7.0 format) after performing the 
book-level operation.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Radha Padmanabhan
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:39 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Issue in Optimizing PDF size

Hi, 
   
  I use FM 7.1 with Windows XP.
   
  I got a 500 page FM Book with 16 files including TOC and Index. When I
opened it was detected to be of version 5.5. I was also prompted to
Optimize for PDF size during conversion to pdf. But when doing that
(selecting the book), the files to which "Links are found" are opened. I
press 'OK' to open all the files. But the operation fails telling 
   
  [PDFSize]  Error: Cannot open file ama-pre.fm. 
  Error: Cannot open file ama-pre.fm.
[PDFSize] Dumping Error Information
   
  If I Skip this file, same error is displayed for another file.
  What is wrong in what I am doing? How do I get the optimization done?
Other than the size of PDF, how does it affect conversion to pdf.
   
  Thanks
Radha


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Copy-and-paste from FrameMaker PDF to text editor, preserving leading spaces?

[Guy K. Haas]

If I create a document in FrameMaker, and it contains some blocks of 
sample code...


and the code indents blocks for readability...

and I want the reader to be able to copy from the code material and 
paste into a Plain Old Text Editor...


is there any way you know of to do this in a manner that will retain the 
indentions?



I'm wrestling with conversion of a book that used our old FrameMaker 
template, but added some customizations. I'm  moving the content over to 
a new template set.  The code paragraphs (with overrides) in the old 
template used tabs to indent.  The new template has a different 
paragraph style for each level of indention, and defines no tabs in any 
of the code paragraph styles.


My template-design sense would be that code paragraph styles should be 
used to specify the indention level of the entire block of code, 
indenting it to correspond with the body paragraphs it follows:


Code para at the Body para left margin

  CodeIndent1 para at the BodyIndent1 para left margin

etc

and then each flavor of code para should have tab stops defined on the 
same grid.  The code is in a fixed-width font, so as long as the body 
para indention system and the character width of the code font can be 
made to align (reasonably), I'd be happy.


But when I select text lines of the PDF that contain code and copy them 
to the clipboard, then paste them into a text editor, all leading spaces 
are omitted.


Ideas?

--Guy K. Haas
 Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
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Docbook versus Home-Grown

[Joe Malin]

Hi!

 

Well, I *finally* finished the new book for our next software release,
so I can justifiably turn my attention to getting myself into structured
docs.

 

I am not going to go with DITA just yet. My plan is to convert my
existing unstructured docs to structure first, and then start the next
round of docs in DITA. So, my first decision is what EDD to use. Should
I develop an EDD myself from scratch, or start with the DocBook EDD? My
only hesitation in using the DocBook EDD is that it will have a lot of
elements that I don't want to use.

 

Any advice, particularly from those who have gone the same route, would
be much appreciated.

 

As you probably know, I have many years experience in software
development, so developing my own EDD is not an issue.

 

Joe

 


TuVox, Inc.


19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

Joe Malin

Technical Writer

(408)625.1623

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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