Running Headers
Gillian Flato: > But my Head2 is not necessarily on the same page. I could have a Head1 > and an introduction that is long and makes the text flow onto the next > page so the Head 2 starts on the next page. So how do I compensate for > that? You could always insert a Head 2 "Introduction" immediately after the Head 1 . . . Michael Lewis -- Brandle Pty Limited, Sydney, Australia www.brandle.com.au --
Framemaker's ability to import WordPerfect and PageMaker files
I wonder if any Framies can help me? Framemaker is supposed to import WordPerfect files. It does so, but only 5.1 files. While on the subject of importing files, I have certainly not had much luck importing any Pagemaker files despite the heavily advertised feature of the latest release. It seems the best way is to go into the PM editor and take out the text via the clipboard, story by story... Does anybody know when the FM filters are updated? WP5.1 is more than 10 years old. So is Pagemaker, which we now know will never be updated. I love FrameMaker by the way. Nothing like it. Newbie Rob Shell Robert C.-H. Shell Extraordinary Professor of Historical Demography UWC Courier address: Room 3,23 Statistics department New Science Building University of Western Cape Modderdam Road Bellville 7535 Western Cape Republic of South Africa Airmail address: Prof. Robert C.-H. Shell Room 3,23 Statistics department New Science Building Private Bag X17 Bellville Western Cape 7535 Republic of South Africa E-mail addresses: rshell at uwc.ac.za rshell at iafrica.com Fax: 950-2909
Fwd: Troubles with FrameUsers list.
Are there more people that have problems with the list? (see FW'd messages). Bodvar -- Forwarded message -- From: Pedro Pastor Date: Jan 9, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: RE: Troubles with FrameUsers list. To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Hi Bodvar, I think I did my subscription from the web address you sent me. I sent several e-mails to the list, and I have also sent messages to the list administrator and to the list owner and I haven't got any answer. In addition to this, I've been browsing the archives for specific info, but it seems there is no searching tool for this list (I'm mainly interested in using FrameMaker for XML authoring and development). In the end, I think I'm going to join a different forum I've found for FrameMaker users. Thank you very much for your help. Best regards, Pedro. -Mensaje original- De: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bodvar at gmail.com] Enviado el: lunes, 08 de enero de 2007 11:00 Para: Pedro Pastor Asunto: Re: Troubles with FrameUsers list. Hi Pedro, There has been som talk about problems with the lists. Have you tried this link? (You have to use the full address as the main site will only redirect you to teech-writers.) This is a different link to the same contents AFAIK. I am listed in both places and do not receive duplicate messages. http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers HTH, Bodvar On 1/7/07, Pedro Pastor wrote: > > > > > Hello M. Bjorgvinsson, > > > > I'm sorry for contacting you privately but I'm looking for someone helping > me in using the "FrameUsers" list. > > > > I have recently subscribed but I cannot get into it. I've sent several > messages but they are not published. > > > > I've also sent a message to the administrator address (it is supposed to be > this: listadmin at frameusers.com) but I haven't got any answer yet. > > > > Could you please tell me if I have to do something special for publishing > messages? > > > > Sorry again if I'm disturbing you, but yours is one of the most recent > messages I keep on my "inbox". and I like your sense of humour ;-). > > > > Best regards, > > > > Pedro Pastor > > University of Alicante > > Spain. > > > >
PDF to framemaker
Hello Framers Could anyone guide me on any utility that converts pdf to Framemaker keeping the layout and formatting intact. I have been doing the same using the RTF option; but if anybody on the list of some converter tool, that would be more then good. :) Thanx for your help Regards Surbhi
Troubles with FrameUsers list.
Bodvar and Pedro, Please send messages such as this to me in the future. Do not post list admin messages to the list. I do not have any email message from Pedro that were sent to the listadmin address nor is he subscribed to the list. So if he sent email to the list, the messages would not have been posted. I have subscribed Pedro to the list and he should now be able to post. The move from the old CMS system we used for FrameUsers.com to the new one has consumed a lot more of my time than I anticipated. We are testing the new site this week and I hope to bring it publicly back online in the next week. The new functionality is superb and we'll be bringing updated features online over the next month. I'll make an announcement as soon as we've worked out a couple of remaining bugs. Thanks, Brad On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:26 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > Are there more people that have problems with the list? (see FW'd > messages). > > Bodvar > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Pedro Pastor > Date: Jan 9, 2007 2:48 PM > Subject: RE: Troubles with FrameUsers list. > To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson > > > Hi Bodvar, > > I think I did my subscription from the web address you sent me. I sent > several e-mails to the list, and I have also sent messages to the list > administrator and to the list owner and I haven't got any answer. > > In addition to this, I've been browsing the archives for specific > info, > but it seems there is no searching tool for this list (I'm mainly > interested in using FrameMaker for XML authoring and development). > > In the end, I think I'm going to join a different forum I've found for > FrameMaker users. > > Thank you very much for your help. > > Best regards, > > Pedro. > > -Mensaje original- > De: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bodvar at gmail.com] > Enviado el: lunes, 08 de enero de 2007 11:00 > Para: Pedro Pastor > Asunto: Re: Troubles with FrameUsers list. > > Hi Pedro, > > There has been som talk about problems with the lists. Have you tried > this link? (You have to use the full address as the main site will > only redirect you to teech-writers.) This is a different link to the > same contents AFAIK. I am listed in both places and do not receive > duplicate messages. > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers > > HTH, > > Bodvar > > On 1/7/07, Pedro Pastor wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Hello M. Bjorgvinsson, >> >> >> >> I'm sorry for contacting you privately but I'm looking for someone > helping >> me in using the "FrameUsers" list. >> >> >> >> I have recently subscribed but I cannot get into it. I've sent >> several >> messages but they are not published. >> >> >> >> I've also sent a message to the administrator address (it is supposed > to be >> this: listadmin at frameusers.com) but I haven't got any answer yet. >> >> >> >> Could you please tell me if I have to do something special for > publishing >> messages? >> >> >> >> Sorry again if I'm disturbing you, but yours is one of the most >> recent >> messages I keep on my "inbox". and I like your sense of humour ;-). >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Pedro Pastor >> >> University of Alicante >> >> Spain. >> >> >> >> > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as brad at beyondprint.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers- > unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/brad% > 40beyondprint.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2
Greg, Regarding: >Omsys.com's rtf export filter would do the best job if they want to use Word because it mimics the tags pretty well. >As soon as your client actually starts editing, though, they're going to notice lots of discrepancies in appearance. Might not matter to them though, if they aren't going to compare it to the FM version side by side. More than discrepancies. You should try it first. Mif2Go rtf output is "editable" but it depends on what that consists of. Mif2Go basically strips the automation from the file and puts in manual characters. For example, all bullets and numbers in lists are like keyed entries. You can attach and load your Word template, apply an automated style, but you will still have the hard bullet or number to deal with. For extensive or long term "editing" there will need to be a clever automated method of removing the manual bullets and numbers. Unless someone knows a trick that I don't. Also cross-refs and variables become keyed characters, rather than automated, and I think the non-breaking space or something in Frame cross-refs is turned into a sort of o reverse bullet. Someone will want those removed. There are other matters I don't immediately recall. Someone will also want to resave the rtf output as doc before editing--the rtf becomes unwieldy. There are other limitations I don't recall offhand. But if you just want a Frame format mirrored in Word, for temporary use, Mif2Go does well. Definitely try it first to see if it will work for you and yours. Mike
Problem with Bookmarks in PDFs coming from structured framemaker documents
Hello all, I am creating PDF-files from structured Framemaker files. In the "Bookmark" section of the PDF Setup window I've selected the "head" elements which I want to appear as bookmarks based on their context label. So what I have in the "Include elements" section is : head (level 1) head (level 2) head (level 3). In our EDD however is defined that IndexEntry elements can be part of the head element. When I create a pdf, the text of the IndexEntry elements is inserted in the bookmarks along with the head text. Is this a known problem? Or do we have to adapt the EDD so that the IndexEntry elements are no longer part of the head elements? Thanks Lodewijk Nollet
Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2
Thanks to Michael et all for comments on this topic. I have always heard a lot of good things about this distribution list and know I know why! :) I tried to access the home page for FMUG but it seems to be shut down because it had become a victim of numerous hacker attacks? What is the story behind this and are there plans to resurface the site? Greg Thompson __ From: To: CC: Subject: RE: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:56:46 -0500 >Greg, > >Regarding: > >Omsys.com's rtf export filter would do the best job if they want to >use Word because it mimics the tags pretty well. > >As soon as your client actually starts editing, though, they're going >to notice lots of discrepancies in appearance. Might not matter to >them though, if they aren't going to compare it to the FM version side >by side. > >More than discrepancies. You should try it first. Mif2Go rtf output is >"editable" but it depends on what that consists of. Mif2Go basically >strips the automation from the file and puts in manual characters. For >example, all bullets and numbers in lists are like keyed entries. You >can attach and load your Word template, apply an automated style, but >you will still have the hard bullet or number to deal with. For >extensive or long term "editing" there will need to be a clever >automated method of removing the manual bullets and numbers. Unless >someone knows a trick that I don't. > >Also cross-refs and variables become keyed characters, rather than >automated, and I think the non-breaking space or something in Frame >cross-refs is turned into a sort of o reverse bullet. Someone will want >those removed. There are other matters I don't immediately recall. >Someone will also want to resave the rtf output as doc before >editing--the rtf becomes unwieldy. > >There are other limitations I don't recall offhand. But if you just want >a Frame format mirrored in Word, for temporary use, Mif2Go does well. >Definitely try it first to see if it will work for you and yours. > >Mike
PDF to framemaker
PDF is mostly a one-way street. It's an end product. The text in a PDF is set line by line and page by page. Any method of converting PDF back to formatted text and graphics is going to involve a good deal of work and judgment. PDFs are complex enough and generated from enough different source applications that I can't imagine a tool that could do this for you with any degree of reliability. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com
Problem with Bookmarks in PDFs coming from structured framemaker documents
Lodewijk, You wrote: >I am creating PDF-files from structured Framemaker files. > >In the "Bookmark" section of the PDF Setup window I've selected the >"head" elements which I want to appear as bookmarks based on their >context label. >So what I have in the "Include elements" section is : >head (level 1) >head (level 2) >head (level 3). > >In our EDD however is defined that IndexEntry elements can be part of >the head element. > >When I create a pdf, the text of the IndexEntry elements is inserted in >the bookmarks along with the head text. > >Is this a known problem? Or do we have to adapt the EDD so that the >IndexEntry elements are no longer part of the head elements? This is a known problem in FM7.0 (fixed in 7.1/7.2). For more info and workarounds, see http://www.microtype.com/resources/bugs/sgml7Bookmark.html Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat
Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:56:46 -0500, wrote:
>Mif2Go rtf output is "editable" but it depends on what that consists of.
>Mif2Go basically strips the automation from the file and puts in manual
>characters.
Not always. Where Word doesn't offer anything close, we do
output the Frame content as plain text. But for autonumbers
and xrefs, for example, there are other options.
>For example, all bullets and numbers in lists are like keyed entries. You
>can attach and load your Word template, apply an automated style, but
>you will still have the hard bullet or number to deal with. For
>extensive or long term "editing" there will need to be a clever
>automated method of removing the manual bullets and numbers. Unless
>someone knows a trick that I don't.
We considered supporting Word's regular "bullet and numbering"
feature, but decided not to because it is really unstable,
especially for large docs such as those commonly produced in
Frame. When you are producing Word docs for review purposes,
it's really best to use the default plain text, as that way
you can find the matching Frame para more easily to make any
corrections. If however you are migrating to Word, you can
choose to use SEQ fields which closely emulate Frame's own
autonumbering. That's what Word power users prefer, so Mif2Go
does produce them automatically on request. SEQ fields are
stable, and easily copied for new paragraphs.
>Also cross-refs and variables become keyed characters, rather than
>automated,
By default, xrefs remain *live* xrefs, with added hyperlinks
to emulate Frame capabilities. You can make them plain text if
you prefer. Variables are not well supported in Word, and do
become plain text.
>and I think the non-breaking space or something in Frame
>cross-refs is turned into a sort of o reverse bullet. Someone will want
>those removed.
Sounds like you have Word's settings to view special characters
on. You control that in Word, under Tools | Options | View.
We also use Word hidden text to support features that Word
doesn't allow directly, like refs to page numbers in another
document. If you turn on viewing of hidden text, you'll see
those; or you can turn off that Mif2Go feature and get plain
text page numbers. Your call.
>There are other matters I don't immediately recall.
>Someone will also want to resave the rtf output as doc before
>editing--the rtf becomes unwieldy.
True, especially if you have large bitmaps with 24-bit color
("millions of colors"), for which RTF lacks any compression,
or if you want to support multiple Word versions conveniently.
>There are other limitations I don't recall offhand. But if you just want
>a Frame format mirrored in Word, for temporary use, Mif2Go does well.
>Definitely try it first to see if it will work for you and yours.
Thanks! Those interested can download the current demo version:
http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
HTH!
-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/
PDF to framemaker
Kenneth C. Benson wrote: > PDF is mostly a one-way street. It's an end product. The text in a PDF is > set line by line and page by page. Any method of converting PDF back to > formatted text and graphics is going to involve a good deal of work and > judgment. PDFs are complex enough and generated from enough different source > applications that I can't imagine a tool that could do this for you with any > degree of reliability. What I use, when forced to, is convert the PDF back to MS Word (using PDF Converter Professional from Nuance) and then output it in RTF and back into FrameMaker. This is not perfect, since it needs cleanup after the final import into FrameMaker, but it does the trick on the rare occasions when the need arises. With surprisingly clean results, and much less time than re-entering all the typing again. But, I would not want to "automate" this process - the results would be terrible without the final edits in FrameMaker after the RTF is brought in. In other words, it is not something that allows me to "go back and forth" on a daily basis! Z
Revision Bars that Appear in Document Footers (Not on Master Page)
Hi: We need to apply ripple revision bars to individual pages of a document to indicate that data has moved but has not changed. Is it possible by way of an attribute on any given element on a page to generate a revision bar that appears to be located in the document footer, but that is not on the Master Page? Thanks! Louise
Keyboard shortcut to select an anchored frame
Anyone know of a keyboard shortcut to highlight/select (not create) an anchored frame that already exists on a page (prior to importing a graphic file, for instance)? Fred Staal Supervisor, Technical Publications Schilling Robotics, LLC Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155 Fax: (530) 753-8092 fred.staal at schilling.com
Framemaker's ability to import WordPerfect and PageMaker files
I wonder if any Framies can help me? Framemaker is supposed to import WordPerfect files. It does so, but only 5.1 files. While on the subject of importing files, I have certainly not had much luck importing any Pagemaker files despite the heavily advertised feature of the latest release. It seems the best way is to go into the PM editor and take out the text via the clipboard, story by story... Does anybody know when the FM filters are updated? WP5.1 is more than 10 years old. So is Pagemaker, which we now know will never be updated. I love FrameMaker by the way. Nothing like it. Newbie Rob Shell Robert C.-H. Shell Extraordinary Professor of Historical Demography UWC Courier address: Room 3,23 Statistics department New Science Building University of Western Cape Modderdam Road Bellville 7535 Western Cape Republic of South Africa Airmail address: Prof. Robert C.-H. Shell Room 3,23 Statistics department New Science Building Private Bag X17 Bellville Western Cape 7535 Republic of South Africa E-mail addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: 950-2909 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fwd: Troubles with FrameUsers list.
Are there more people that have problems with the list? (see FW'd messages). Bodvar -- Forwarded message -- From: Pedro Pastor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Jan 9, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: RE: Troubles with FrameUsers list. To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Bodvar, I think I did my subscription from the web address you sent me. I sent several e-mails to the list, and I have also sent messages to the list administrator and to the list owner and I haven't got any answer. In addition to this, I've been browsing the archives for specific info, but it seems there is no searching tool for this list (I'm mainly interested in using FrameMaker for XML authoring and development). In the end, I think I'm going to join a different forum I've found for FrameMaker users. Thank you very much for your help. Best regards, Pedro. -Mensaje original- De: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: lunes, 08 de enero de 2007 11:00 Para: Pedro Pastor Asunto: Re: Troubles with FrameUsers list. Hi Pedro, There has been som talk about problems with the lists. Have you tried this link? (You have to use the full address as the main site will only redirect you to teech-writers.) This is a different link to the same contents AFAIK. I am listed in both places and do not receive duplicate messages. http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers HTH, Bodvar On 1/7/07, Pedro Pastor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello M. Bjorgvinsson, I'm sorry for contacting you privately but I'm looking for someone helping me in using the "FrameUsers" list. I have recently subscribed but I cannot get into it. I've sent several messages but they are not published. I've also sent a message to the administrator address (it is supposed to be this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) but I haven't got any answer yet. Could you please tell me if I have to do something special for publishing messages? Sorry again if I'm disturbing you, but yours is one of the most recent messages I keep on my "inbox". and I like your sense of humour ;-). Best regards, Pedro Pastor University of Alicante Spain. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF to framemaker
Hello Framers Could anyone guide me on any utility that converts pdf to Framemaker keeping the layout and formatting intact. I have been doing the same using the RTF option; but if anybody on the list of some converter tool, that would be more then good. :) Thanx for your help Regards Surbhi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Troubles with FrameUsers list.
Bodvar and Pedro, Please send messages such as this to me in the future. Do not post list admin messages to the list. I do not have any email message from Pedro that were sent to the listadmin address nor is he subscribed to the list. So if he sent email to the list, the messages would not have been posted. I have subscribed Pedro to the list and he should now be able to post. The move from the old CMS system we used for FrameUsers.com to the new one has consumed a lot more of my time than I anticipated. We are testing the new site this week and I hope to bring it publicly back online in the next week. The new functionality is superb and we'll be bringing updated features online over the next month. I'll make an announcement as soon as we've worked out a couple of remaining bugs. Thanks, Brad On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:26 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: Are there more people that have problems with the list? (see FW'd messages). Bodvar -- Forwarded message -- From: Pedro Pastor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Jan 9, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: RE: Troubles with FrameUsers list. To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Bodvar, I think I did my subscription from the web address you sent me. I sent several e-mails to the list, and I have also sent messages to the list administrator and to the list owner and I haven't got any answer. In addition to this, I've been browsing the archives for specific info, but it seems there is no searching tool for this list (I'm mainly interested in using FrameMaker for XML authoring and development). In the end, I think I'm going to join a different forum I've found for FrameMaker users. Thank you very much for your help. Best regards, Pedro. -Mensaje original- De: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: lunes, 08 de enero de 2007 11:00 Para: Pedro Pastor Asunto: Re: Troubles with FrameUsers list. Hi Pedro, There has been som talk about problems with the lists. Have you tried this link? (You have to use the full address as the main site will only redirect you to teech-writers.) This is a different link to the same contents AFAIK. I am listed in both places and do not receive duplicate messages. http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers HTH, Bodvar On 1/7/07, Pedro Pastor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello M. Bjorgvinsson, I'm sorry for contacting you privately but I'm looking for someone helping me in using the "FrameUsers" list. I have recently subscribed but I cannot get into it. I've sent several messages but they are not published. I've also sent a message to the administrator address (it is supposed to be this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) but I haven't got any answer yet. Could you please tell me if I have to do something special for publishing messages? Sorry again if I'm disturbing you, but yours is one of the most recent messages I keep on my "inbox". and I like your sense of humour ;-). Best regards, Pedro Pastor University of Alicante Spain. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/brad% 40beyondprint.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2
Greg, Regarding: >Omsys.com's rtf export filter would do the best job if they want to use Word because it mimics the tags pretty well. >As soon as your client actually starts editing, though, they're going to notice lots of discrepancies in appearance. Might not matter to them though, if they aren't going to compare it to the FM version side by side. More than discrepancies. You should try it first. Mif2Go rtf output is "editable" but it depends on what that consists of. Mif2Go basically strips the automation from the file and puts in manual characters. For example, all bullets and numbers in lists are like keyed entries. You can attach and load your Word template, apply an automated style, but you will still have the hard bullet or number to deal with. For extensive or long term "editing" there will need to be a clever automated method of removing the manual bullets and numbers. Unless someone knows a trick that I don't. Also cross-refs and variables become keyed characters, rather than automated, and I think the non-breaking space or something in Frame cross-refs is turned into a sort of o reverse bullet. Someone will want those removed. There are other matters I don't immediately recall. Someone will also want to resave the rtf output as doc before editing--the rtf becomes unwieldy. There are other limitations I don't recall offhand. But if you just want a Frame format mirrored in Word, for temporary use, Mif2Go does well. Definitely try it first to see if it will work for you and yours. Mike ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Problem with Bookmarks in PDFs coming from structured framemaker documents
Hello all, I am creating PDF-files from structured Framemaker files. In the "Bookmark" section of the PDF Setup window I've selected the "head" elements which I want to appear as bookmarks based on their context label. So what I have in the "Include elements" section is : head (level 1) head (level 2) head (level 3). In our EDD however is defined that IndexEntry elements can be part of the head element. When I create a pdf, the text of the IndexEntry elements is inserted in the bookmarks along with the head text. Is this a known problem? Or do we have to adapt the EDD so that the IndexEntry elements are no longer part of the head elements? Thanks Lodewijk Nollet ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2
Thanks to Michael et all for comments on this topic. I have always heard a lot of good things about this distribution list and know I know why! :) I tried to access the home page for FMUG but it seems to be shut down because it had become a victim of numerous hacker attacks? What is the story behind this and are there plans to resurface the site? Greg Thompson __ From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:56:46 -0500 >Greg, > >Regarding: > >Omsys.com's rtf export filter would do the best job if they want to >use Word because it mimics the tags pretty well. > >As soon as your client actually starts editing, though, they're going >to notice lots of discrepancies in appearance. Might not matter to >them though, if they aren't going to compare it to the FM version side >by side. > >More than discrepancies. You should try it first. Mif2Go rtf output is >"editable" but it depends on what that consists of. Mif2Go basically >strips the automation from the file and puts in manual characters. For >example, all bullets and numbers in lists are like keyed entries. You >can attach and load your Word template, apply an automated style, but >you will still have the hard bullet or number to deal with. For >extensive or long term "editing" there will need to be a clever >automated method of removing the manual bullets and numbers. Unless >someone knows a trick that I don't. > >Also cross-refs and variables become keyed characters, rather than >automated, and I think the non-breaking space or something in Frame >cross-refs is turned into a sort of o reverse bullet. Someone will want >those removed. There are other matters I don't immediately recall. >Someone will also want to resave the rtf output as doc before >editing--the rtf becomes unwieldy. > >There are other limitations I don't recall offhand. But if you just want >a Frame format mirrored in Word, for temporary use, Mif2Go does well. >Definitely try it first to see if it will work for you and yours. > >Mike ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF to framemaker
PDF is mostly a one-way street. It's an end product. The text in a PDF is set line by line and page by page. Any method of converting PDF back to formatted text and graphics is going to involve a good deal of work and judgment. PDFs are complex enough and generated from enough different source applications that I can't imagine a tool that could do this for you with any degree of reliability. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Problem with Bookmarks in PDFs coming from structured framemaker documents
Lodewijk, You wrote: I am creating PDF-files from structured Framemaker files. In the "Bookmark" section of the PDF Setup window I've selected the "head" elements which I want to appear as bookmarks based on their context label. So what I have in the "Include elements" section is : head (level 1) head (level 2) head (level 3). In our EDD however is defined that IndexEntry elements can be part of the head element. When I create a pdf, the text of the IndexEntry elements is inserted in the bookmarks along with the head text. Is this a known problem? Or do we have to adapt the EDD so that the IndexEntry elements are no longer part of the head elements? This is a known problem in FM7.0 (fixed in 7.1/7.2). For more info and workarounds, see http://www.microtype.com/resources/bugs/sgml7Bookmark.html Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:56:46 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mif2Go rtf output is "editable" but it depends on what that consists of.
>Mif2Go basically strips the automation from the file and puts in manual
>characters.
Not always. Where Word doesn't offer anything close, we do
output the Frame content as plain text. But for autonumbers
and xrefs, for example, there are other options.
>For example, all bullets and numbers in lists are like keyed entries. You
>can attach and load your Word template, apply an automated style, but
>you will still have the hard bullet or number to deal with. For
>extensive or long term "editing" there will need to be a clever
>automated method of removing the manual bullets and numbers. Unless
>someone knows a trick that I don't.
We considered supporting Word's regular "bullet and numbering"
feature, but decided not to because it is really unstable,
especially for large docs such as those commonly produced in
Frame. When you are producing Word docs for review purposes,
it's really best to use the default plain text, as that way
you can find the matching Frame para more easily to make any
corrections. If however you are migrating to Word, you can
choose to use SEQ fields which closely emulate Frame's own
autonumbering. That's what Word power users prefer, so Mif2Go
does produce them automatically on request. SEQ fields are
stable, and easily copied for new paragraphs.
>Also cross-refs and variables become keyed characters, rather than
>automated,
By default, xrefs remain *live* xrefs, with added hyperlinks
to emulate Frame capabilities. You can make them plain text if
you prefer. Variables are not well supported in Word, and do
become plain text.
>and I think the non-breaking space or something in Frame
>cross-refs is turned into a sort of o reverse bullet. Someone will want
>those removed.
Sounds like you have Word's settings to view special characters
on. You control that in Word, under Tools | Options | View.
We also use Word hidden text to support features that Word
doesn't allow directly, like refs to page numbers in another
document. If you turn on viewing of hidden text, you'll see
those; or you can turn off that Mif2Go feature and get plain
text page numbers. Your call.
>There are other matters I don't immediately recall.
>Someone will also want to resave the rtf output as doc before
>editing--the rtf becomes unwieldy.
True, especially if you have large bitmaps with 24-bit color
("millions of colors"), for which RTF lacks any compression,
or if you want to support multiple Word versions conveniently.
>There are other limitations I don't recall offhand. But if you just want
>a Frame format mirrored in Word, for temporary use, Mif2Go does well.
>Definitely try it first to see if it will work for you and yours.
Thanks! Those interested can download the current demo version:
http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
HTH!
-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/
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Re: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2
Greg Thompson wrote: My current client wants me to provide them with output from the Frame guide I created for them in a format they can edit, not using Frame. Then they want to be able to re-publish these files (again, not using Frame) and have them look the same way they looked when I created them in Frame. So they have specified which application they don't wish to use, but not which one they will use? Under those circumstances, you'd be justified in delivering the data as XML and leaving it to them to sort out how to format it. Data interchange between applications is a fundamental feature of XML - in fact "XML shall support a wide variety of applications" is design goal number 2 in the W3C recommendation (the W3C equivalent of a standard). I know I can save Frame files as html, xml, text, or rtf and edit them. But I doubt that I can republish them and have them look like they did in Frame without using Frame. Need you concern yourself with that? Surely if they haven't gone to the trouble of specifying what application they intend to use, they can't hold you responsible for supporting it? Give them XML and let them worry about reproducing the layout. They'll be back once they've had a lie down and a good think about it... -- Regards, Marcus Carr email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Allette Systems (Australia) www:http://www.allette.com.au ___ "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Einstein ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF to framemaker
Kenneth C. Benson wrote: PDF is mostly a one-way street. It's an end product. The text in a PDF is set line by line and page by page. Any method of converting PDF back to formatted text and graphics is going to involve a good deal of work and judgment. PDFs are complex enough and generated from enough different source applications that I can't imagine a tool that could do this for you with any degree of reliability. What I use, when forced to, is convert the PDF back to MS Word (using PDF Converter Professional from Nuance) and then output it in RTF and back into FrameMaker. This is not perfect, since it needs cleanup after the final import into FrameMaker, but it does the trick on the rare occasions when the need arises. With surprisingly clean results, and much less time than re-entering all the typing again. But, I would not want to "automate" this process - the results would be terrible without the final edits in FrameMaker after the RTF is brought in. In other words, it is not something that allows me to "go back and forth" on a daily basis! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Revision Bars that Appear in Document Footers (Not on Master Page)
Hi: We need to apply ripple revision bars to individual pages of a document to indicate that data has moved but has not changed. Is it possible by way of an attribute on any given element on a page to generate a revision bar that appears to be located in the document footer, but that is not on the Master Page? Thanks! Louise ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Keyboard shortcut to select an anchored frame
Anyone know of a keyboard shortcut to highlight/select (not create) an anchored frame that already exists on a page (prior to importing a graphic file, for instance)? Fred Staal Supervisor, Technical Publications Schilling Robotics, LLC Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155 Fax: (530) 753-8092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
