RE: Creating special bullets

[Reng, Winfried Dr.]

Hi,

Yes, you can enter the hex code directly in dialog boxes.
However, the hex code of the Windows character map often
does not match the character which is then shown in
FrameMaker. If the character is not listed in the FrameMaker
Character Sets PDF file, I usually test all characters on
my keyboard until I find the correct one.

Best regards

Winfried

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 ]On Behalf
 Of Shlomo Perets
 Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:58 AM
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 Cc: Framers@FrameUsers.com
 Subject: Re: Creating special bullets
 
 
 Linda,
 
 You wrote:
 
 ... I've found the FrameMaker Character Sets document that 
 is available under
 the Help menu, but even when I tried entering the hex or 
 ANSI codes from it
 with a Zapf Dingbats char tag in the para style, I still did 
 not get a match
 between the code I put in and the resulting bullet symbol as 
 listed in the
 document.  ...
 
 You can directly specify the hex code shown in Windows 
 built-in Character 
 Map in FrameMaker dialog boxes. For example, the Windows icon 
 in Wingdings 
 is reported in the Character Map as Character code: 0xFF. 
 In FrameMaker, 
 Autonumber Format box, use \xFF to refer to the same 
 character; it will 
 show in the document as the Windows icon if the font defined for the 
 autonumber is Wingdings.
 
 [ Starting with FM6.0, the FrameMaker Character Sets PDF has some 
 inaccuracies --see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0312 . 
 The Windows 
 Character Map is recommended instead ]
 
 
 Shlomo Perets
 
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Re: Structure too complex for TOC? Any tool or help out there?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks Lynne,

You are (as always) quite right. :-)

For the Chapter I just change to Title. No problem there.

For the Sections I have set the levels in the section elements and
also the type of section (Regular or Appendix), so this is where the
Section([level#])TOC comes from, but the formatting based on the
Section levels (the indentation etc) is done in the Head element. What
puzzles me is how would I combine the level setting of Head and the
level formatting of/in the same element. I have not seen any
_examples_ of that in e.g. the Structure Application Developer's
Guide. I need the level rules for the TOC, don't I?

I am trying this out as I write. I can change the level setting from
Section to Head by only counting ancestors Section in the Head
element? Would that be right? It seems to me that a level rule setting
the context label does not allow for a sub rule. So the question is:
Is it allowed and working to have two different level rules elements,
one setting the context lables and one setting a subrule for different
attributes of the parent element (Section)?

Yes. This works!

Now $paranum (in the TOC Ref page) also works.

Thanks again, Lynne.

Bodvar


On 3/10/07, Lynne A. Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Bodvar,
   I'm guessing that you used to request that TOC entries be created from
the Chapter and Section elements. When these elements began with a Head, it
was actually the Head of the selected elements that appeared in the TOC.
   Am I correct? If so, the explanation is that when an element contributes
to a generated list such as a TOC, it is information from the first
FrameMaker paragraph in that element that goes into the generated list.
Since your heads are always separate paragraphs, you can select a Chapter
or Section and their heads will appear in the TOC.
   You have now changed the content, however, so that the Head is no longer
the first paragraph. You can still set up the TOC to generate the correct
entries, but you'll have to select the Head elements themselves. Since you
probably want to distinguish entries for Chapters from those for Sections
(and perhaps only select higher-level Sections), the technique is to change
the EDD to that it assigns context labels to Head in various contexts. You
can then select the appropriately qualified Head elements for your list.
 --Lynne

At 02:06 AM 3/9/2007, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
I changed my EDD for a book I am working on, to show revision status
in the sidehead (in a single cell table for the background color) by
the chapter title and section headings.
The sections are level based and the formatting of Head changes with
the level, and I do not use paragraph tags for this.

However, what escaped me was that by inserting the set of elements to
read the chapter and section revision attributes between Chapter and
Title / Section and Head, I am no longer getting the title/head text
when setting the TOC up by section levels -- I have to call the Title
and Head in order to get the headings into the TOC.

In order to get things right, I have to copy by hand the Section
references and paste after the RevText, and then delete the marker the
Head line and then combine the two by deleting backwards the page ref
and tab in the Section line.

I know this could be scripted, but is there anyone out there that
knows of a different method that will not make things still more
complicated, maybe a plug-in that could handle this.

There are other manuals I would like to see in a similar way, and I
really think Adobe should consider allowing for more flexibility in
the TOC making in their next revision. After all, I just want the TOC
to call in some elements with reference and relation to a child,
sibling or parent.

Thanks for reading this on the last working day of the week! Any help
or comments would be appreciated. ;-)

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
Air Atlanta Icelandic.
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Re: Creating special bullets

[David Creamer]

 My disconnect is between the character map when it shows the hex code for a
 symbol I select and how to get that hex code into the Autonumbering setting
 of the Paragraph Designer (from Wingdings, for example).

If you want something a little easier...

I have a PDF showing the standard keyboard characters and what they look
like in Zapf Dingbats, Wingdings (1, 2, 3), and Webdings. It is under the
Download  Tips link on my website.

If you have another symbol font you want to use, I can email you the
original Excel file.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
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Re: Creating special bullets

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:34 -0600 11/3/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

I could swear I've done this before, but how to do it is eluding me. I was
trying to show someone how to create bulleted lists with different types of
bullet symbols. I have a couple of examples from existing documents that
worked, but I wanted to show them how to figure out how to set it up from
scratch.

If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet font as 
a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the character tag in 
the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the letter that corresponds 
with the character in the bullet font that you want. For example, the letter 
'N' equates with the large square in Zapf Dingbats.

You can also use this method to set a different font size for the bullet if you 
wish, although you may get baseline alignment problems. There is a MIF hack for 
this which I forget but which has been documented here before.

-- 
Steve
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Color seperation help

[Scott White]

I have  a client who is running windows xp and Frame 7.2. She sent  
her files to the printer for a two-color job -- a black plate and a  
spot color plate.
Her printer is telling her that her file is coming out on four plates  
thus cmyk when it is distilled. We went through her settings in frame  
and distiller and she has her files set correctly. Since I do al  
color work in Frame on my MAC is there something I'm missing on the  
PC settings to ensure a good file output for a two-color job?


Thanks for the help.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
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RE: Creating special bullets

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Rick,

At the risk of sounding stupid, how do you know what letter corresponds to
the symbol you want? That's the crux of my question.

Thanks to Ann and Shlomo for reminding me of how to use the hex code. That
worked just fine and was the method I'd used before, but I'd forgotten the
formula for how to use the hex code.


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
 
Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
 


-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:22 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Creating special bullets

At 17:34 -0600 11/3/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

I could swear I've done this before, but how to do it is eluding me. I 
was trying to show someone how to create bulleted lists with different 
types of bullet symbols. I have a couple of examples from existing 
documents that worked, but I wanted to show them how to figure out how 
to set it up from scratch.

If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet font
as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the character
tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the letter that
corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you want. For
example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf Dingbats.

You can also use this method to set a different font size for the bullet if
you wish, although you may get baseline alignment problems. There is a MIF
hack for this which I forget but which has been documented here before.

--
Steve

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RE: Creating special bullets

[John Sgammato]

David Creamer just sent around a great little resource for just that
purpose:
http://www.ideastraining.com/PDFs/DingbatSamples.pdf
 

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Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:48 AM
To: 'Steve Rickaby'
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: Creating special bullets

Rick,

At the risk of sounding stupid, how do you know what letter corresponds
to the symbol you want? That's the crux of my question.

Thanks to Ann and Shlomo for reminding me of how to use the hex code.
That worked just fine and was the method I'd used before, but I'd
forgotten the formula for how to use the hex code.


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
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-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:22 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Creating special bullets

At 17:34 -0600 11/3/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

I could swear I've done this before, but how to do it is eluding me. I 
was trying to show someone how to create bulleted lists with different 
types of bullet symbols. I have a couple of examples from existing 
documents that worked, but I wanted to show them how to figure out how 
to set it up from scratch.

If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet
font
as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the
character
tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the letter
that
corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you want. For
example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf Dingbats.

You can also use this method to set a different font size for the bullet
if
you wish, although you may get baseline alignment problems. There is a
MIF
hack for this which I forget but which has been documented here before.

--
Steve

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RE: Creating special bullets

[Van Boening, Tammy]

Linda,

A nifty little site that I have bookmarked that provides just such
information:

http://www.zakie.fsnet.co.uk/ChatRoomsStuff/Help/wingdingsfontchart.htm

HTH,

TVB 


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Property and Casualty Division
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:48 AM
To: 'Steve Rickaby'
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: Creating special bullets

Rick,

At the risk of sounding stupid, how do you know what letter corresponds
to the symbol you want? That's the crux of my question.

Thanks to Ann and Shlomo for reminding me of how to use the hex code.
That worked just fine and was the method I'd used before, but I'd
forgotten the formula for how to use the hex code.


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates

Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
 


-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:22 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Creating special bullets

At 17:34 -0600 11/3/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

I could swear I've done this before, but how to do it is eluding me. I 
was trying to show someone how to create bulleted lists with different 
types of bullet symbols. I have a couple of examples from existing 
documents that worked, but I wanted to show them how to figure out how 
to set it up from scratch.

If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet
font
as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the
character
tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the letter
that
corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you want. For
example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf Dingbats.

You can also use this method to set a different font size for the bullet
if
you wish, although you may get baseline alignment problems. There is a
MIF
hack for this which I forget but which has been documented here before.

--

Steve

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Re: Creating special bullets

[Mike Wickham]

At the risk of sounding stupid, how do you know what letter corresponds to
the symbol you want? That's the crux of my question.


If you're running Windows, load Character Map. Then click on any character 
in the display array. At the bottom of the window, you'll see the Unicode 
value and the keyboard character.


   Example: U+0051: Latin Capital Letter Q

That's if the Character Set dropdown is set to Unicode. If you set it to 
Windows:Western, you'll also get the decimal value:


 Example: U+0051 (0x51): Latin Capital Letter Q

Mike Wickham


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RE: Creating special bullets

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Most of the time, I only see the code with no letter associated with it, and
the Character set drop-down list is grayed out. That's what I see when I
select any of the Webdings, Wingdings, or Zapf Dingbats fonts. 

I noticed that when I select Verdana or Times New Roman, I do see the actual
letter information. That makes it easy.

Thanks for all these additional resources and ideas, Tammy, Mike, John, and
Steve. Very helpful!

~
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www.techcomplus.com
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-Original Message-
From: Mike Wickham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:51 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Creating special bullets

 At the risk of sounding stupid, how do you know what letter 
 corresponds to the symbol you want? That's the crux of my question.

If you're running Windows, load Character Map. Then click on any character
in the display array. At the bottom of the window, you'll see the Unicode
value and the keyboard character.

Example: U+0051: Latin Capital Letter Q

That's if the Character Set dropdown is set to Unicode. If you set it to
Windows:Western, you'll also get the decimal value:

  Example: U+0051 (0x51): Latin Capital Letter Q

Mike Wickham



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RE: Color seperation help

[Dov Isaacs]

Scott,

The awful truth is that FrameMaker Windows only produces
RGB output via Windows GDI, even when printing to a 
PostScript print, with the exception of EPS files whose
content is passed directly through to a PostScript device.
Thus, so-called spot colors in your document are sent out
as RGB colors as are any other colors in your FrameMaker
document. If your PostScript printer driver instance is
properly setup, at least your black and gray will come
out as grayscale, but any CMYK or spot colors will appear
in PostScript (and in any subsequent PDF) as RGB.

There is at least one third party product out there that
can intercept the RGB and try to resynthesize spot colors.
See http://www.grafikhuset.net/international/ and more
specifically http://www.grafikhuset.net/publipdf/default.htm
for one such program.

- Dov
 

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 From: Scott White
 Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:44 AM
 To: Framers
 Subject: Color seperation help
 
 I have  a client who is running windows xp and Frame 7.2. She 
 sent her files to the printer for a two-color job -- a black 
 plate and a spot color plate.
 Her printer is telling her that her file is coming out on 
 four plates thus cmyk when it is distilled. We went through 
 her settings in frame and distiller and she has her files set 
 correctly. Since I do al color work in Frame on my MAC is 
 there something I'm missing on the PC settings to ensure a 
 good file output for a two-color job?
 
 Thanks for the help.
 
 
 Scott White
 Media Production Manager
 Implementation Coordinator
 210-704-8239
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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Re: Color seperation help

[Scott White]

Dov
I had a feeling that was it. Thanks.
I have since talked with my print shop and they can easily manipulate  
the acrobat pdf pages in pitstop and get the desired results if they  
were doing the files.
Now if my client can get her printer to do the same no problem. If  
not she will send them to my printer and be done with it.


Again, thanks for the response.


Scott White
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On Mar 12, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote:


Scott,

The awful truth is that FrameMaker Windows only produces
RGB output via Windows GDI, even when printing to a
PostScript print, with the exception of EPS files whose
content is passed directly through to a PostScript device.
Thus, so-called spot colors in your document are sent out
as RGB colors as are any other colors in your FrameMaker
document. If your PostScript printer driver instance is
properly setup, at least your black and gray will come
out as grayscale, but any CMYK or spot colors will appear
in PostScript (and in any subsequent PDF) as RGB.

There is at least one third party product out there that
can intercept the RGB and try to resynthesize spot colors.
See http://www.grafikhuset.net/international/ and more
specifically http://www.grafikhuset.net/publipdf/default.htm
for one such program.

- Dov



-Original Message-
From: Scott White
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:44 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Color seperation help

I have  a client who is running windows xp and Frame 7.2. She
sent her files to the printer for a two-color job -- a black
plate and a spot color plate.
Her printer is telling her that her file is coming out on
four plates thus cmyk when it is distilled. We went through
her settings in frame and distiller and she has her files set
correctly. Since I do al color work in Frame on my MAC is
there something I'm missing on the PC settings to ensure a
good file output for a two-color job?

Thanks for the help.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
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RE: Color seperation help

[Daniel Doornbos]

Scott,

You can get FM to do color separations but it's kind of tricky.
FM's default color setting recognizes the process colors: cyan, magenta,
yellow, and black; and also spot colors: red, green, and blue.

Based on the information you supplied, this is how I would approach the
project:
1. Pick a name for the spot color, such as blue.
2. Whatever text or graphic you want in the spot color, set it to blue.
For text, color settings are in the Character or Paragraph Designer
dialog box. For lines and graphics, color settings are in the Tools
Palette.
3. When you are ready to output, in the Print dialog box, set your
printer, such as Adobe PDF.
4. Click on the Separations Setup button.
5. Under Plate Assignments, move Black and Blue under Print As Spot
and all other colors under Don't Print.
6. Click the Set button.
7. Check the Print to File box and verify the file name and location
with a .ps file name.
8. Print the PostScript file, then distill it.
The resulting PDF will have two pages, one that is called black, another
that is called blue.
Tell the printer that the blue plate is prints in the specified spot
color.

Any graphics imported into FM will print on the black plate. The colors
will appear on-screen, but they will print in grayscale. At least they
did on my system.

The fact that the printer wants separations suggests this project is an
offset print job. If the printer (company) is making film negatives,
there may be a specific printer (output device) driver that the author
should use to output the project from FM to a PostScript file, rather
than making a PDF with the standard Adobe PDF driver. FM is not a common
authoring tool for projects that are offset printed, so there may be a
little negotiation with the printer to reach a solution.

Wishing you success.

Daniel Doornbos
Technical Writer
Promise Technology, Inc.
408 228-1437
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Behalf Of Scott White
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:44 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Color seperation help


I have  a client who is running windows xp and Frame 7.2. She sent  
her files to the printer for a two-color job -- a black plate and a  
spot color plate.
Her printer is telling her that her file is coming out on four plates  
thus cmyk when it is distilled. We went through her settings in frame  
and distiller and she has her files set correctly. Since I do al  
color work in Frame on my MAC is there something I'm missing on the  
PC settings to ensure a good file output for a two-color job?

Thanks for the help.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
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Re: Color seperation help

[Scott White]

Thanks Daniel. I will have her try your suggestions.


Scott White
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Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
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On Mar 12, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Daniel Doornbos wrote:


Scott,

You can get FM to do color separations but it's kind of tricky.
FM's default color setting recognizes the process colors: cyan,  
magenta,

yellow, and black; and also spot colors: red, green, and blue.

Based on the information you supplied, this is how I would approach  
the

project:
1. Pick a name for the spot color, such as blue.
2. Whatever text or graphic you want in the spot color, set it to  
blue.

For text, color settings are in the Character or Paragraph Designer
dialog box. For lines and graphics, color settings are in the Tools
Palette.
3. When you are ready to output, in the Print dialog box, set your
printer, such as Adobe PDF.
4. Click on the Separations Setup button.
5. Under Plate Assignments, move Black and Blue under Print As Spot
and all other colors under Don't Print.
6. Click the Set button.
7. Check the Print to File box and verify the file name and location
with a .ps file name.
8. Print the PostScript file, then distill it.
The resulting PDF will have two pages, one that is called black,  
another

that is called blue.
Tell the printer that the blue plate is prints in the specified spot
color.

Any graphics imported into FM will print on the black plate. The  
colors

will appear on-screen, but they will print in grayscale. At least they
did on my system.

The fact that the printer wants separations suggests this project  
is an

offset print job. If the printer (company) is making film negatives,
there may be a specific printer (output device) driver that the author
should use to output the project from FM to a PostScript file, rather
than making a PDF with the standard Adobe PDF driver. FM is not a  
common

authoring tool for projects that are offset printed, so there may be a
little negotiation with the printer to reach a solution.

Wishing you success.

Daniel Doornbos
Technical Writer
Promise Technology, Inc.
408 228-1437
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:44 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Color seperation help


I have  a client who is running windows xp and Frame 7.2. She sent
her files to the printer for a two-color job -- a black plate and a
spot color plate.
Her printer is telling her that her file is coming out on four plates
thus cmyk when it is distilled. We went through her settings in frame
and distiller and she has her files set correctly. Since I do al
color work in Frame on my MAC is there something I'm missing on the
PC settings to ensure a good file output for a two-color job?

Thanks for the help.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
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Creating special bullets

[Shlomo Perets]

Linda,

You wrote:

>... I've found the FrameMaker Character Sets document that is available under
>the Help menu, but even when I tried entering the hex or ANSI codes from it
>with a Zapf Dingbats char tag in the para style, I still did not get a match
>between the code I put in and the resulting bullet symbol as listed in the
>document.  ...

You can directly specify the hex code shown in Windows built-in Character 
Map in FrameMaker dialog boxes. For example, the Windows icon in Wingdings 
is reported in the Character Map as "Character code: 0xFF". In FrameMaker, 
Autonumber Format box, use \xFF to refer to the same character; it will 
show in the document as the Windows icon if the font defined for the 
autonumber is Wingdings.

[ Starting with FM6.0, the FrameMaker Character Sets PDF has some 
inaccuracies --see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0312 . The Windows 
Character Map is recommended instead ]


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers/Assistants

Creating special bullets

[Reng, Winfried Dr.]

Hi,

Yes, you can enter the hex code directly in dialog boxes.
However, the hex code of the Windows character map often
does not match the character which is then shown in
FrameMaker. If the character is not listed in the FrameMaker
"Character Sets" PDF file, I usually test all characters on
my keyboard until I find the correct one.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> ]On Behalf
> Of Shlomo Perets
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:58 AM
> To: lindag at techcomplus.com
> Cc: Framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: Re: Creating special bullets
> 
> 
> Linda,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >... I've found the FrameMaker Character Sets document that 
> is available under
> >the Help menu, but even when I tried entering the hex or 
> ANSI codes from it
> >with a Zapf Dingbats char tag in the para style, I still did 
> not get a match
> >between the code I put in and the resulting bullet symbol as 
> listed in the
> >document.  ...
> 
> You can directly specify the hex code shown in Windows 
> built-in Character 
> Map in FrameMaker dialog boxes. For example, the Windows icon 
> in Wingdings 
> is reported in the Character Map as "Character code: 0xFF". 
> In FrameMaker, 
> Autonumber Format box, use \xFF to refer to the same 
> character; it will 
> show in the document as the Windows icon if the font defined for the 
> autonumber is Wingdings.
> 
> [ Starting with FM6.0, the FrameMaker Character Sets PDF has some 
> inaccuracies --see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0312 . 
> The Windows 
> Character Map is recommended instead ]
> 
> 
> Shlomo Perets
> 
> MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for 
> FrameMaker
> FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
> TimeSavers/Assistants

Structure too complex for TOC? Any tool or help out there?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks Lynne,

You are (as always) quite right. :-)

For the Chapter I just change to Title. No problem there.

For the Sections I have set the levels in the section elements and
also the type of section (Regular or Appendix), so this is where the
Section([level#])TOC comes from, but the formatting based on the
Section levels (the indentation etc) is done in the Head element. What
puzzles me is how would I combine the level setting of Head and the
level formatting of/in the same element. I have not seen any
_examples_ of that in e.g. the Structure Application Developer's
Guide. I need the level rules for the TOC, don't I?

I am trying this out as I write. I can change the level setting from
Section to Head by only counting ancestors Section in the Head
element? Would that be right? It seems to me that a level rule setting
the context label does not allow for a sub rule. So the question is:
Is it allowed and working to have two different level rules elements,
one setting the context lables and one setting a subrule for different
attributes of the parent element (Section)?

Yes. This works!

Now <$paranum> (in the TOC Ref page) also works.

Thanks again, Lynne.

Bodvar


On 3/10/07, Lynne A. Price  wrote:
> Bodvar,
>I'm guessing that you used to request that TOC entries be created from
> the Chapter and Section elements. When these elements began with a Head, it
> was actually the Head of the selected elements that appeared in the TOC.
>Am I correct? If so, the explanation is that when an element contributes
> to a generated list such as a TOC, it is information from the first
> FrameMaker paragraph in that element that goes into the generated list.
> Since your heads are always separate paragraphs, you can select a Chapter
> or Section and their heads will appear in the TOC.
>You have now changed the content, however, so that the Head is no longer
> the first paragraph. You can still set up the TOC to generate the correct
> entries, but you'll have to select the Head elements themselves. Since you
> probably want to distinguish entries for Chapters from those for Sections
> (and perhaps only select higher-level Sections), the technique is to change
> the EDD to that it assigns context labels to Head in various contexts. You
> can then select the appropriately qualified Head elements for your list.
>  --Lynne
>
> At 02:06 AM 3/9/2007, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
> >I changed my EDD for a book I am working on, to show revision status
> >in the sidehead (in a single cell table for the background color) by
> >the chapter title and section headings.
> >The sections are level based and the formatting of Head changes with
> >the level, and I do not use paragraph tags for this.
> >
> >However, what escaped me was that by inserting the set of elements to
> >read the chapter and section revision attributes between Chapter and
> >Title / Section and Head, I am no longer getting the title/head text
> >when setting the TOC up by section levels -- I have to call the Title
> >and Head in order to get the headings into the TOC.
> >
> >In order to get things right, I have to copy by hand the Section
> >references and paste after the RevText, and then delete the marker the
> >Head line and then combine the two by deleting backwards the page ref
> >and tab in the Section line.
> >
> >I know this could be scripted, but is there anyone out there that
> >knows of a different method that will not make things still more
> >complicated, maybe a plug-in that could handle this.
> >
> >There are other manuals I would like to see in a similar way, and I
> >really think Adobe should consider allowing for more flexibility in
> >the TOC making in their next revision. After all, I just want the TOC
> >to call in some elements with reference and relation to a child,
> >sibling or parent.
> >
> >Thanks for reading this on the last working day of the week! Any help
> >or comments would be appreciated. ;-)
> >
> >Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
> >Air Atlanta Icelandic.
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Creating special bullets

[David Creamer]

> My disconnect is between the character map when it shows the hex code for a
> symbol I select and how to get that hex code into the Autonumbering setting
> of the Paragraph Designer (from Wingdings, for example).

If you want something a little easier...

I have a PDF showing the standard keyboard characters and what they look
like in Zapf Dingbats, Wingdings (1, 2, &3), and Webdings. It is under the
Download & Tips link on my website.

If you have another symbol font you want to use, I can email you the
original Excel file.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert (since 1995)
Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988)
Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified
Apple Consultant Network member (since 1990)

Creating special bullets

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:34 -0600 11/3/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

>I could swear I've done this before, but how to do it is eluding me. I was
>trying to show someone how to create bulleted lists with different types of
>bullet symbols. I have a couple of examples from existing documents that
>worked, but I wanted to show them how to figure out how to set it up from
>scratch.

If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet font as 
a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the character tag in 
the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the letter that corresponds 
with the character in the bullet font that you want. For example, the letter 
'N' equates with the large square in Zapf Dingbats.

You can also use this method to set a different font size for the bullet if you 
wish, although you may get baseline alignment problems. There is a MIF hack for 
this which I forget but which has been documented here before.

-- 
Steve

Color seperation help

[Scott White]

I have  a client who is running windows xp and Frame 7.2. She sent  
her files to the printer for a two-color job -- a black plate and a  
spot color plate.
Her printer is telling her that her file is coming out on four plates  
thus cmyk when it is distilled. We went through her settings in frame  
and distiller and she has her files set correctly. Since I do al  
color work in Frame on my MAC is there something I'm missing on the  
PC settings to ensure a good file output for a two-color job?

Thanks for the help.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com

Creating special bullets

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Rick,

At the risk of sounding stupid, how do you know what letter corresponds to
the symbol you want? That's the crux of my question.

Thanks to Ann and Shlomo for reminding me of how to use the hex code. That
worked just fine and was the method I'd used before, but I'd forgotten the
"formula" for how to use the hex code.


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
 
Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
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-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:22 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Creating special bullets

At 17:34 -0600 11/3/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

>I could swear I've done this before, but how to do it is eluding me. I 
>was trying to show someone how to create bulleted lists with different 
>types of bullet symbols. I have a couple of examples from existing 
>documents that worked, but I wanted to show them how to figure out how 
>to set it up from scratch.

If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet font
as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the character
tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the letter that
corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you want. For
example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf Dingbats.

You can also use this method to set a different font size for the bullet if
you wish, although you may get baseline alignment problems. There is a MIF
hack for this which I forget but which has been documented here before.

--
Steve

Creating special bullets

[John Sgammato]

David Creamer just sent around a great little resource for just that
purpose:
http://www.ideastraining.com/PDFs/DingbatSamples.pdf


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:48 AM
To: 'Steve Rickaby'
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: Creating special bullets

Rick,

At the risk of sounding stupid, how do you know what letter corresponds
to the symbol you want? That's the crux of my question.

Thanks to Ann and Shlomo for reminding me of how to use the hex code.
That worked just fine and was the method I'd used before, but I'd
forgotten the "formula" for how to use the hex code.


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates

Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
 


-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:22 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Creating special bullets

At 17:34 -0600 11/3/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

>I could swear I've done this before, but how to do it is eluding me. I 
>was trying to show someone how to create bulleted lists with different 
>types of bullet symbols. I have a couple of examples from existing 
>documents that worked, but I wanted to show them how to figure out how 
>to set it up from scratch.

If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet
font
as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the
character
tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the letter
that
corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you want. For
example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf Dingbats.

You can also use this method to set a different font size for the bullet
if
you wish, although you may get baseline alignment problems. There is a
MIF
hack for this which I forget but which has been documented here before.

--
Steve

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Creating special bullets

[Van Boening, Tammy]

Linda,

A nifty little site that I have bookmarked that provides just such
information:

http://www.zakie.fsnet.co.uk/ChatRoomsStuff/Help/wingdingsfontchart.htm

HTH,

TVB 


Tammy L. Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
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tammy.vanboening at fiserv.com
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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+tammy.vanboening=fiserv@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+tammy.vanboening=fiserv.com at lists.frameusers.com
] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:48 AM
To: 'Steve Rickaby'
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: Creating special bullets

Rick,

At the risk of sounding stupid, how do you know what letter corresponds
to the symbol you want? That's the crux of my question.

Thanks to Ann and Shlomo for reminding me of how to use the hex code.
That worked just fine and was the method I'd used before, but I'd
forgotten the "formula" for how to use the hex code.


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates

Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
 


-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:22 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Creating special bullets

At 17:34 -0600 11/3/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

>I could swear I've done this before, but how to do it is eluding me. I 
>was trying to show someone how to create bulleted lists with different 
>types of bullet symbols. I have a couple of examples from existing 
>documents that worked, but I wanted to show them how to figure out how 
>to set it up from scratch.

If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet
font
as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the
character
tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the letter
that
corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you want. For
example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf Dingbats.

You can also use this method to set a different font size for the bullet
if
you wish, although you may get baseline alignment problems. There is a
MIF
hack for this which I forget but which has been documented here before.

--

Steve

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Creating special bullets

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:48 -0600 12/3/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

>At the risk of sounding stupid, how do you know what letter corresponds to
>the symbol you want? That's the crux of my question.

See the other postings. There are lots of utilities. I didn't recommend one 
because I'm on the Mac, but for the record, here's what I use:



-- 
Steve

Creating special bullets

[Mike Wickham]

> At the risk of sounding stupid, how do you know what letter corresponds to
> the symbol you want? That's the crux of my question.

If you're running Windows, load Character Map. Then click on any character 
in the display array. At the bottom of the window, you'll see the Unicode 
value and the keyboard character.

Example: "U+0051: Latin Capital Letter Q"

That's if the Character Set dropdown is set to Unicode. If you set it to 
Windows:Western, you'll also get the decimal value:

  Example: "U+0051 (0x51): Latin Capital Letter Q"

Mike Wickham

WP: PDF or XPS: Choosing the right document format [Ziff Davis Media]

[Grant Hogarth]

From: Web Buyer's Guide Editor's Pick
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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:50 AM
To: Grant Hogarth
Subject: PDF or XPS: Choosing the right document format


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PDF or XPS: Choosing the Right Document Format
  
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format of a new general-purpose document made available by Microsoft to
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Creating special bullets

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Most of the time, I only see the code with no letter associated with it, and
the Character set drop-down list is grayed out. That's what I see when I
select any of the Webdings, Wingdings, or Zapf Dingbats fonts. 

I noticed that when I select Verdana or Times New Roman, I do see the actual
letter information. That makes it easy.

Thanks for all these additional resources and ideas, Tammy, Mike, John, and
Steve. Very helpful!

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
 
Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
 


-Original Message-
From: Mike Wickham [mailto:mewick...@compuserve.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:51 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Creating special bullets

> At the risk of sounding stupid, how do you know what letter 
> corresponds to the symbol you want? That's the crux of my question.

If you're running Windows, load Character Map. Then click on any character
in the display array. At the bottom of the window, you'll see the Unicode
value and the keyboard character.

Example: "U+0051: Latin Capital Letter Q"

That's if the Character Set dropdown is set to Unicode. If you set it to
Windows:Western, you'll also get the decimal value:

  Example: "U+0051 (0x51): Latin Capital Letter Q"

Mike Wickham

Color seperation help

[Dov Isaacs]

Scott,

The awful truth is that FrameMaker Windows only produces
RGB output via Windows GDI, even when printing to a 
PostScript print, with the exception of EPS files whose
content is passed directly through to a PostScript device.
Thus, so-called spot colors in your document are sent out
as RGB colors as are any other colors in your FrameMaker
document. If your PostScript printer driver instance is
properly setup, at least your black and gray will come
out as grayscale, but any CMYK or spot colors will appear
in PostScript (and in any subsequent PDF) as RGB.

There is at least one third party product out there that
can intercept the RGB and try to resynthesize spot colors.
See  and more
specifically 
for one such program.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Scott White
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:44 AM
> To: Framers
> Subject: Color seperation help
> 
> I have  a client who is running windows xp and Frame 7.2. She 
> sent her files to the printer for a two-color job -- a black 
> plate and a spot color plate.
> Her printer is telling her that her file is coming out on 
> four plates thus cmyk when it is distilled. We went through 
> her settings in frame and distiller and she has her files set 
> correctly. Since I do al color work in Frame on my MAC is 
> there something I'm missing on the PC settings to ensure a 
> good file output for a two-color job?
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> 
> Scott White
> Media Production Manager
> Implementation Coordinator
> 210-704-8239
> swhite at alamark.com

Color seperation help

[Scott White]

Dov
I had a feeling that was it. Thanks.
I have since talked with my print shop and they can easily manipulate  
the acrobat pdf pages in pitstop and get the desired results if they  
were doing the files.
Now if my client can get her printer to do the same no problem. If  
not she will send them to my printer and be done with it.

Again, thanks for the response.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com



On Mar 12, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> Scott,
>
> The awful truth is that FrameMaker Windows only produces
> RGB output via Windows GDI, even when printing to a
> PostScript print, with the exception of EPS files whose
> content is passed directly through to a PostScript device.
> Thus, so-called spot colors in your document are sent out
> as RGB colors as are any other colors in your FrameMaker
> document. If your PostScript printer driver instance is
> properly setup, at least your black and gray will come
> out as grayscale, but any CMYK or spot colors will appear
> in PostScript (and in any subsequent PDF) as RGB.
>
> There is at least one third party product out there that
> can intercept the RGB and try to resynthesize spot colors.
> See  and more
> specifically 
> for one such program.
>
>   - Dov
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Scott White
>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:44 AM
>> To: Framers
>> Subject: Color seperation help
>>
>> I have  a client who is running windows xp and Frame 7.2. She
>> sent her files to the printer for a two-color job -- a black
>> plate and a spot color plate.
>> Her printer is telling her that her file is coming out on
>> four plates thus cmyk when it is distilled. We went through
>> her settings in frame and distiller and she has her files set
>> correctly. Since I do al color work in Frame on my MAC is
>> there something I'm missing on the PC settings to ensure a
>> good file output for a two-color job?
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>>
>> Scott White
>> Media Production Manager
>> Implementation Coordinator
>> 210-704-8239
>> swhite at alamark.com
>

Color seperation help

[Daniel Doornbos]

Scott,

You can get FM to do color separations but it's kind of tricky.
FM's default color setting recognizes the process colors: cyan, magenta,
yellow, and black; and also "spot" colors: red, green, and blue.

Based on the information you supplied, this is how I would approach the
project:
1. Pick a name for the spot color, such as "blue."
2. Whatever text or graphic you want in the spot color, set it to blue.
For text, color settings are in the Character or Paragraph Designer
dialog box. For lines and graphics, color settings are in the Tools
Palette.
3. When you are ready to output, in the Print dialog box, set your
printer, such as Adobe PDF.
4. Click on the Separations Setup button.
5. Under Plate Assignments, move Black and Blue under "Print As Spot"
and all other colors under "Don't Print."
6. Click the Set button.
7. Check the Print to File box and verify the file name and location
with a ".ps" file name.
8. Print the PostScript file, then distill it.
The resulting PDF will have two pages, one that is called black, another
that is called blue.
Tell the printer that the blue plate is prints in the specified spot
color.

Any graphics imported into FM will print on the black plate. The colors
will appear on-screen, but they will print in grayscale. At least they
did on my system.

The fact that the printer wants separations suggests this project is an
offset print job. If the printer (company) is making film negatives,
there may be a specific printer (output device) driver that the author
should use to output the project from FM to a PostScript file, rather
than making a PDF with the standard Adobe PDF driver. FM is not a common
authoring tool for projects that are offset printed, so there may be a
little negotiation with the printer to reach a solution.

Wishing you success.

Daniel Doornbos
Technical Writer
Promise Technology, Inc.
408 228-1437
danield at promise.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+danield=promise@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+danield=promise.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Scott White
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:44 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Color seperation help


I have  a client who is running windows xp and Frame 7.2. She sent  
her files to the printer for a two-color job -- a black plate and a  
spot color plate.
Her printer is telling her that her file is coming out on four plates  
thus cmyk when it is distilled. We went through her settings in frame  
and distiller and she has her files set correctly. Since I do al  
color work in Frame on my MAC is there something I'm missing on the  
PC settings to ensure a good file output for a two-color job?

Thanks for the help.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com



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Color seperation help

[Scott White]

Thanks Daniel. I will have her try your suggestions.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com



On Mar 12, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Daniel Doornbos wrote:

> Scott,
>
> You can get FM to do color separations but it's kind of tricky.
> FM's default color setting recognizes the process colors: cyan,  
> magenta,
> yellow, and black; and also "spot" colors: red, green, and blue.
>
> Based on the information you supplied, this is how I would approach  
> the
> project:
> 1. Pick a name for the spot color, such as "blue."
> 2. Whatever text or graphic you want in the spot color, set it to  
> blue.
> For text, color settings are in the Character or Paragraph Designer
> dialog box. For lines and graphics, color settings are in the Tools
> Palette.
> 3. When you are ready to output, in the Print dialog box, set your
> printer, such as Adobe PDF.
> 4. Click on the Separations Setup button.
> 5. Under Plate Assignments, move Black and Blue under "Print As Spot"
> and all other colors under "Don't Print."
> 6. Click the Set button.
> 7. Check the Print to File box and verify the file name and location
> with a ".ps" file name.
> 8. Print the PostScript file, then distill it.
> The resulting PDF will have two pages, one that is called black,  
> another
> that is called blue.
> Tell the printer that the blue plate is prints in the specified spot
> color.
>
> Any graphics imported into FM will print on the black plate. The  
> colors
> will appear on-screen, but they will print in grayscale. At least they
> did on my system.
>
> The fact that the printer wants separations suggests this project  
> is an
> offset print job. If the printer (company) is making film negatives,
> there may be a specific printer (output device) driver that the author
> should use to output the project from FM to a PostScript file, rather
> than making a PDF with the standard Adobe PDF driver. FM is not a  
> common
> authoring tool for projects that are offset printed, so there may be a
> little negotiation with the printer to reach a solution.
>
> Wishing you success.
>
> Daniel Doornbos
> Technical Writer
> Promise Technology, Inc.
> 408 228-1437
> danield at promise.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+danield=promise.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+danield=promise.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Scott White
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:44 AM
> To: Framers
> Subject: Color seperation help
>
>
> I have  a client who is running windows xp and Frame 7.2. She sent
> her files to the printer for a two-color job -- a black plate and a
> spot color plate.
> Her printer is telling her that her file is coming out on four plates
> thus cmyk when it is distilled. We went through her settings in frame
> and distiller and she has her files set correctly. Since I do al
> color work in Frame on my MAC is there something I'm missing on the
> PC settings to ensure a good file output for a two-color job?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
>
> Scott White
> Media Production Manager
> Implementation Coordinator
> 210-704-8239
> swhite at alamark.com
>
>
>
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