RE: How to track versions
We use a source control system like our developers do. Since I have been at TriZetto, we have used Visual Source Safe, Perforce, and PVCS. Of these, Perforce is my favorite; PVCS is the least desirable. We have also tried to use SharePoint, but the source control feature does not work with FrameMaker. (We used 2.0.) It seems to work, but when you open a checked in, changed file, it is the original version, not the updated version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:24 AM To: Frame Users Subject: How to track versions Dear all,I am looking for a tool to manage the different versions of a same document. Does FM 8.0 include this kind of feature? Do you use a specific tool? In a word, how do you track versions of a document (unstructured FM)?Thank you for your tips!Yours sincerely,Mathieu. _ Votre contact a choisi Hotmail, l'e-mail ultra sécurisé. Créez un compte gratuitement ! http://www.windowslive.fr/hotmail/default.asp ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susan.wilk%40trizetto.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: delivering XML on the web
You're welcome Mollye. I did not say that each xhtml file stands alone. I said we wrote standalone (xml) topics, meaning that the topics themselves are discrete: they are short enough to be specific to a single subject or answer a single question and long enough to make sense on their own and to be authored as a unit. They do not contain cross-references to other topics, because that would restrict their reuse capabilities (we also use some of the topics as is in our marketing collateral). Instead, we create relationships between topics in a relationship table in a ditamap. Thus, the links will only be inserted in the topics when we generate output from the ditamap. And we create a ditamap per document type (or infocenter or context): one for the website, one for the company brochures, and one per data sheet. This allows us to say goodbye to unresolved cross-references. Maybe the above explanation is a bit too technical for those who are not familiar with DITA yet. If so, drop me an e-mail and I'll be happy to send you a Flash movie that shows you how relationship tables in a ditamap work. Kind regards Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Scripto bvba Asselsstraat 65 9031 Gent Belgium T: +32 494 12 01 89 F: +32 9 366 50 23 BTW (VAT) BE 0886.192.394 skype: yves.barbion Mollye Barrett wrote: Hi Yves, Thanks! sounds cool and you've provided great details. The creation process sounds relatively easy. For sure, if I used DITA everything from this very large doc set would need rewriting... It's likely time to do a serious content cleaning so I'll do some projections on time and cost. Does each xhtml file truly stand-alone? When topics with prescribed relationships (rel table) change, do you have to recompile to maintain those relationships? Thanks again. You've provided perspective and that's what I need! Best! Mollye -Original Message- *From:* Yves Barbion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, March 21, 2008 4:18 AM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* Re: delivering XML on the web Hi Mollye, I'm currently also working on a fun project: authoring structured content for a corporate website. I'm using the DITA information model and I'm writing DITA topics in FrameMaker with the DITA-FMx plug-in. This is how I do it: 1. We do a brainstorm and make a list of the topics which we want to have on the site. 2. We open this list in FrameMaker and save it as a regular, unstructured FrameMaker file. This list is resembles the traditional outline: the indents define the level of the topics and headings. 3. We use DITA-FMx to create a ditamap and stubs from this list. The stubs are topics which already have the correct title and some metadata. 4. Write standalone, information-typed topics, which means filling in the stubs. 5. We (re)arrange the topics in the ditamap, which will later become the sitemap. 6. In the ditamap, use a relationship table to add links to my topics (navigation). I use the DITA Open Toolkit to generate the following output: * xhtml. These are the files which I deliver to my web developer. * HTMLHelp, which I then convert to WebHelp. This gives me a pretty good idea of how my pages look in a web browser and how the navigation and linking works. Lessons learned? * Authoring, and (re)structuring web content has never been easier. Just take the ditamap and drag the topics around in the structure to the position where you want to have them. * The DITA-FMx plug-in is really the must-have tool if you want to author DITA content in FrameMaker. More information about DITA and DITA-FMx? * http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/ * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=dita * http://dita.xml.org/ * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DITA Kind regards Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Scripto bvba Asselsstraat 65 9031 Gent Belgium T: +32 494 12 01 89 F: +32 9 366 50 23 BTW (VAT) BE 0886.192.394 skype: yves.barbion Mollye Barrett wrote: Dear Framers, I'm working on a fun project (for an equipment manufacturer) using Frame to author structured files that may (for a time) be published to PDF as well as to XML. The XML files will be checked into a CMS and delivered to the web for dynamic publication based on metadata and/or search. Is
RE: Installation issues: Acrobat Pro 8 on top of FM 8
Tina, It is NOT FrameMaker 8 which is the problem or that has to be installed, it is that separate headless version of Distiller 8 that you let the FrameMaker 8 installer put on your system. Uninstall that and/or any other previous versions of Acrobat or Reader on your system, make sure to reboot, and then install Acrobat 8 Pro. - Dov -Original Message- From: Tina Ricks Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:23 PM Hi all I wrote yesterday about Word and the Acrobat markup tools for reviewers, and agreed with the consensus that Acrobat Pro 8 is the way to go for reviewing. So I ordered a copy (due here in a few days by snail mail). I also downloaded the 30 day trial so I can work with it now. When I try to install the free download of Acrobat Pro 8, I get this message: Setup has detected that you already have a more functional product installed. And then the install quits. What gives? I want Acrobat Pro. I bought it. I just want to install it. Does it matter which order FM8 and Acrobat Pro 8 get installed in? Do I have to de-install FM8, then install Acrobat Pro 8, then reinstall? There's no button to just tell Acrobat Pro 8 to install anyway. Tina Ricks Editor, Trial Guides [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
delivering XML on the web
You're welcome Mollye. I did not say that each xhtml file stands alone. I said we wrote standalone (xml) topics, meaning that the topics themselves are discrete: they are short enough to be specific to a single subject or answer a single question and long enough to make sense on their own and to be authored as a unit. They do not contain cross-references to other topics, because that would restrict their reuse capabilities (we also use some of the topics "as is" in our marketing collateral). Instead, we create relationships between topics in a relationship table in a ditamap. Thus, the links will only be inserted in the topics when we generate output from the ditamap. And we create a ditamap per "document type" (or "infocenter" or "context"): one for the website, one for the company brochures, and one per data sheet. This allows us to say goodbye to "unresolved cross-references". Maybe the above explanation is a bit too technical for those who are not familiar with DITA yet. If so, drop me an e-mail and I'll be happy to send you a Flash movie that shows you how relationship tables in a ditamap work. Kind regards Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Scripto bvba Asselsstraat 65 9031 Gent Belgium T: +32 494 12 01 89 F: +32 9 366 50 23 BTW (VAT) BE 0886.192.394 skype: yves.barbion Mollye Barrett wrote: > Hi Yves, > > Thanks! sounds cool and you've provided great details. The creation > process sounds relatively easy. For sure, if I used DITA everything > from this very large doc set would need rewriting... It's likely time > to do a serious content cleaning so I'll do some projections on time > and cost. > > Does each xhtml file truly stand-alone? When topics with prescribed > relationships (rel table) change, do you have to recompile to maintain > those relationships? > > Thanks again. You've provided perspective and that's what I need! > > Best! > Mollye > > -Original Message- > *From:* Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barbion at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, March 21, 2008 4:18 AM > *To:* mollye at clearpath.cc > *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com > *Subject:* Re: delivering XML on the web > > Hi Mollye, > > I'm currently also working on a fun project: authoring structured > content for a corporate website. > > I'm using the DITA information model and I'm writing DITA topics > in FrameMaker with the DITA-FMx plug-in. This is how I do it: > >1. We do a brainstorm and make a list of the topics which we > want to have on the site. >2. We open this list in FrameMaker and save it as a regular, > unstructured FrameMaker file. This list is resembles the > traditional outline: the indents define the level of the > topics and headings. >3. We use DITA-FMx to create a ditamap and "stubs" from this > list. The "stubs" are topics which already have the correct > title and some metadata. >4. Write standalone, information-typed topics, which means > filling in the stubs. >5. We (re)arrange the topics in the ditamap, which will later > become the sitemap. >6. In the ditamap, use a "relationship table" to add links to > my topics (navigation). > > I use the DITA Open Toolkit to generate the following output: > > * xhtml. These are the files which I deliver to my web developer. > * HTMLHelp, which I then convert to WebHelp. This gives me a > pretty good idea of how my "pages" look in a web browser and > how the navigation and linking works. > > Lessons learned? > > * Authoring, and (re)structuring web content has never been > easier. Just take the ditamap and drag the topics around in > the structure to the position where you want to have them. > * The DITA-FMx plug-in is really the must-have tool if you > want to author DITA content in FrameMaker. > > > More information about DITA and DITA-FMx? > > * http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/ > * http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=dita > * http://dita.xml.org/ > * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DITA > > > Kind regards > > > Yves Barbion > Documentation Architect > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor > > > Scripto bvba > Asselsstraat 65 > 9031 Gent > Belgium > T: +32 494 12 01 89 > F: +32 9 366 50 23 > BTW (VAT) BE 0886.192.394 > skype: yves.barbion > > > > > Mollye Barrett wrote: >> Dear Framers, >> >> I'm working on a fun project (for an equipment manufacturer) using Frame >> to author structured files that may (for a time) be published to PDF as >> well as to XML. The
Installation issues: Acrobat Pro 8 on top of FM 8
Tina, It is NOT FrameMaker 8 which is the problem or that has to be installed, it is that separate headless version of Distiller 8 that you let the FrameMaker 8 installer put on your system. Uninstall that and/or any other previous versions of Acrobat or Reader on your system, make sure to reboot, and then install Acrobat 8 Pro. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Tina Ricks > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:23 PM > > Hi all > I wrote yesterday about Word and the Acrobat markup tools for reviewers, and > agreed with the consensus that Acrobat Pro 8 is the way to go for reviewing. > > So I ordered a copy (due here in a few days by snail mail). I also > downloaded the 30 day trial so I can work with it now. > > When I try to install the free download of Acrobat Pro 8, I get this > message: > > "Setup has detected that you already have a more functional product > installed." > > And then the install quits. > > What gives? I want Acrobat Pro. I bought it. I just want to install it. Does > it matter which order FM8 and Acrobat Pro 8 get installed in? Do I have to > de-install FM8, then install Acrobat Pro 8, then reinstall? There's no > button to just tell Acrobat Pro 8 to install anyway. > > Tina Ricks > > Editor, Trial Guides > > tina at trialguides.com
Upgrade to Frame 8?
I am looking at upgrading from Frame 7.0/7.1, Acrobat 7.0 Pro to Frame 8.0and Acrobat 8.0 Pro. Our output is 90% pdf, but we do use ePub Pro for our online help conversions. I see that some of you are having problems with Frame 8 Can you comment on your experiences? Is an upgrade worth it? Thanks, Fred Skillman
