Microsoft XP support
According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing?
Conditional text insets
One possibility for handling conditions in insets without applying the conditions is to set up a very simple structured document and manage conditions using attributes. Wait - don't have a heart attack! It is possible to set up an extremely simple structure that doesn't do anything other than let you assign the attributes you need (print vs. help) to your paragraphs. Then you could go ahead and use your paragraph catalog as you always do and otherwise ignore the structure. It might not be any more complicated than using scripts or managing multiple conditions. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085
Microsoft XP support
When my XP stops working, that's when I'll either try Linux or buy a Macintosh. I will NEVER use Vista! Sincerely, Dan--Ft. Lauderdale According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing?
Structured vs Unstructured Frame
Framers For years we have been using filemaker and framemaker together to create catalogs and fliers. The way our system worked is that we would create a .mif export through a series of calculations in filemaker, export that created file, then import into an unstructructured frame document and go down the road building a catalog or flier. Now, we have developed our patented software in Filemaker 9.0, rewritten the .mif export to include an xsl transformation and then create the .mif export file. The transformation allows great flexibility when it comes to what we export from filemaker and then import to Frame. At times, however, we find certain combinations of "export choices" do not always play well with Frame on the PC. We get the dreaded "Framemaker has encountered a serious problem and must quit..." When I import that file into Framemaker on the Mac running in classic it imports fine with the display of where the error is and I fix. The big however here is when I import a troublesome file into a structured frame template, it imports just fine. So getting to my question: what are the limits to structured frame documents? My initial understanding is that structured frame documents are just that - structured. However, it seems I have the ability to design my pages, move paragrapgh tags here and there, override initial settings, and layout my catalogs and fliers as I would normally in an unstructured document. It also seems I can re-open that structured document as an unstructured document and go about my business that way as well. The bottom line is I need to be able to create all my pages like before, book my files and create an index, and panatone colors, and create print-ready pdfs for our printers. Is there any reason I couldn't do this with structured documents? I need to assure our clients that this .mif import will work for them too. What are the benefits, with my given needs, for running structured frame documents? Thanks for your help. Scott White Media Production Manager Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 swhite at alamark.com
Microsoft XP support
I recently bought an Acer laptop with Vista. Because of all the anti-Vista press, I was prepared to install XP or a dual boot setup. However, I decided to work with Vista first. So far, it has worked just fine with FrameMaker 7.2, 8.0, and FrameScript 5.1. The key may be RAM; I have 3Gb and it doesn't seem sluggish at all. Your use of "NEVER" may be based on experience, but if it's based on the opinion of others, you may want to give it a chance. Even if you go with Linux or Mac OSX, you will have to have some flavor of Windows if you are going to run FrameMaker. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > When my XP stops working, that's when I'll either try Linux or buy a > Macintosh. I will NEVER use Vista! > Sincerely, > Dan--Ft. Lauderdale > > > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? > ___
Structured vs Unstructured Frame
Hi Scott, A more direct path would be to write a script in the FrameScript language that queries your database and builds the FrameMaker document directly. You could easily build a structured or unstructured document, depending on your preference. If you have xml in your database, a FrameScript solution with structured FrameMaker is especially attractive, because you can use the MSXML OCX parser in combination with FrameScript. FrameScript allows you to use OCX controls, and the MSXML OCX control gives you the power of XPATH and XQUERY directly within FrameMaker. Note that I specialize in FrameMaker internals development. Feel free to contact me off list if you would like additional information, Martin Martin R. Smith Web Site: http://www.golehtek.com
Microsoft XP support
> Your use of "NEVER" may be based on experience, but if it's based on the > opinion of others, you may want to give it a chance. Even if you go with > Linux or Mac OSX, you will have to have some flavor of Windows if you are > going to run FrameMaker. Personally, I've been using Vista since September and haven't seen any more problems than what I've had with XP. -- Rick Henkel http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm
Structured vs Unstructured Frame
I think a big, possibly the biggest question, would be what version of FM are you talking about? There's always been some, and usually an increasing amount of support, for different styles and levels of complexity as FM has evolved from having separate unstructured and SGML versions to an integreated package. But FM8 is the first that's come out of the box as an XML / DITA editor without using plugins. So I'd use that as my baseline, I think, rather than an earlier version that may have depended on tweaks, kludges, or custom code. And with that, I think, would be a question about whether it wouldn't be better to use an XML based import rather than MIF. Art On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Scott White wrote: > Framers > > > So getting to my question: what are the limits to structured frame > documents? > What are the benefits, with my given needs, for running structured > frame documents? -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Microsoft XP support
I think that it's probably only an issue on those purchasing new systems Microsoft, as most software companies do, has always discontinued support for non-shipping versions at some point. It doesn't mean that XP is suddenly going to stop working on July 1. I probably wouldn't have wanted to migrate production systems to it before the first of this year, but the personal systems that I have access to seem to be running fine. Vista is past the early adopter phase, past the first patch release milestones, and seems to be stable enough for production systems. Art On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Austin Meredith wrote: > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? > > > ___ > > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
OT: Podcast Question
Sorry for the OT, but this silly little problem has to have been answered somewhere before and I just can't find a clue... I'm using iTunes to download a set of daily podcasts because the servers here don't have the bandwidth to support streaming. I have set up the download to check for new episodes daily, and that works fine. However, the first time I configured the application, it was @ 7:53 AM. Now that is the scheduled time for the daily update. It would be a whole lot slicker (and conserve bandwidth) if I could set that update to happen at 2:AM. I tried all of the controls I could find through the UI and tried looking for something promising in the registry, but no joy so far. I tried iTunes support and even subscribed to their forums, but can't figure out how to post? Anybody have a resource for addressing iTunes questions? -- J. Paul Kent 206-383-0539
Microsoft XP support
FWIW, I have been running a number of Vista systems, both 32-bit and 64-bit with nary a problem for a while now. SP1 significantly restores the performance problems that the original Vista releases had. The biggest problem with Vista was that Microsoft over-promised and under-delivered, late! They also pressured software and hardware vendors for support of Vista features such as XPS that are effectively irrelevant. And of course, with nothing else to write about, the trade press certainly were waiting to pounce on the Vista "failure." Corporate IT/IS types were mad at Microsoft for requiring them to pay for "software assurance" maintenance agreements over a period of the last number of years being promised a "free" significant OS upgrade during the time of those pricey "software assurance" agreements; what they got didn't live up to the billing and the costs. I certainly would NOT recommend that anyone running of an existing XP system "upgrade" the operating system to Vista. It buys nothing significant. For a new system with multiple core processor(s) and significant memory, Vista is not a bad idea. I remember that in 1990 when Microsoft released Windows 3.0, there were those screaming about how they would NEVER migrate beyond Windows 2.1 ... - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Rick Henkel > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:56 AM > Subject: Re: Microsoft XP support > > > Your use of "NEVER" may be based on experience, but if it's based on the > > opinion of others, you may want to give it a chance. Even if you go with > > Linux or Mac OSX, you will have to have some flavor of Windows if you are > > going to run FrameMaker. > > Personally, I've been using Vista since September and haven't seen any > more problems than what I've had with XP. > > -- > Rick Henkel > http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm > ___
OT: Podcast Question
According to this book what I wrote about Podcasting a couple years ago, iPodder (a free app) may be a viable alternative. It'll download files whenever you want and then they're there waiting for you to inhale to iTunes to plug into the iPod. If you're simply interested in downloading them to play them locally, you can skip iTunes entirely and play them from iPodder using whatever MP3 playing app you have. Yours truly, John Hedtke Author/Consultant/Contract Writer www.hedtke.com <-- website 541-685-5000 (office landline) 541-554-2189 (cell) john at hedtke.com (primary email) johnhedtke at aol.com (secondary email) At 08:11 AM 4/28/2008, jopakent at comcast.net wrote: >Sorry for the OT, but this silly little problem has to have been >answered somewhere before and I just can't find a clue... > >I'm using iTunes to download a set of daily podcasts because the >servers here don't have the bandwidth to support streaming. > >I have set up the download to check for new episodes daily, and that >works fine. > >However, the first time I configured the application, it was @ 7:53 >AM. Now that is the scheduled time for the daily update. It would be >a whole lot slicker (and conserve bandwidth) if I could set that >update to happen at 2:AM. > >I tried all of the controls I could find through the UI and tried >looking for something promising in the registry, but no joy so >far. I tried iTunes support and even subscribed to their forums, >but can't figure out how to post? > >Anybody have a resource for addressing iTunes questions? > >-- >J. Paul Kent >206-383-0539 >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as john at hedtke.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john%40hedtke.com > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Yours truly, John Hedtke Author/Consultant/Contract Writer www.hedtke.com <-- website Region 7 Director, STC 541-685-5000 (office landline) 541-554-2189 (cell) john at hedtke.com (primary email) johnhedtke at aol.com (secondary email)
Microsoft XP support
Before we get too excited about this, it appears to me that the news report refers to Microsoft ceasing to *sell* XP, not ceasing to support it. As for me, I tried Vista on a new laptop for a few days and hated it. Roger Shuttleworth Technical Publications TVWorks Canada, Inc. 150 Dufferin Avenue London, Ontario N6A 5N6 Canada Tel. 519 963-4368 www.tvworks.com
Microsoft XP support
Austin Meredith wrote: > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/srogers%40phoenix-geophysics.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "It is not enough that I succeed. Others must fail." -- Oscar Wilde
Microsoft XP support
Austin Meredith wrote: > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? > > (Sorry about the previous posting with no content but the quote -- that's the first hiccup I've experienced with Thunderbird.) What MS announced was that by the end of June, computer makers will have to stop *selling* Windows XP for all uses other than ultra-low-cost PCs. Mainstream technical support will continue to be available for Windows XP through April 2009, and more limited support will continue through April 2014. (That probably means that the constant stream of patches for security "vulnerabilities" will continue till then.) MS had originally said they would stop selling XP in January, but were forced by market pressure to extend that date. It is already most unusual that MS is still allowing XP to be sold when its successor has been on the market for so long. We all knew that XP would disappear when Vista arrived -- we shouldn't expect any more difficulties than were experienced when previous OS versions were superceded. best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "It is not enough that I succeed. Others must fail." -- Oscar Wilde (or was it Bill Gates??)
OS X 10.4.11 -- can't import files from Word -- new wrinkle
Hello everyone, Two weeks ago, I sent a message about a problem I was having importing Word RTFs into Frame 6 (Mac). The solution, in the end, was to import them using "RTF_Japanese_Import." Since then, a new glitch has developed -- it won't import any text in tables. The tables come in, but their cells are empty. It also won't recognize non-breaking spaces. The French accents remain as they should be. Even an RTF file I'd previously imported successfully now imports without the contents of the tables. Any ideas? Will I have to reinstall OSX 10.3? Thanks, Louise On 18-Apr-08, at 10:56 AM, Peter Gold wrote: > Mastersoft provided some of FM's conversion filters at one time. The > error is in the conversion filter, not FM itself. Apparently the > Japanese RTF filter is/was smarter than the standard RTF filter. > > I believe around that time, even Word had problems importing Word > files because of file-format changes. > > Glad to hear you've gotten past the problem. > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Steve Rickaby > wrote: >> At 10:12 -0400 18/4/08, Louise Moritsugu wrote: >> >>> You raise a useful point about upgrading to FM 7, and I'll set up >>> a search on eBay for one. >>> >>> After I sent the initial message, I Googled "Mastersoft" in the >>> dead of night and found a 2002 response from Jeremy Griffiths on >>> another list that mentioned Importing (Copy Into Document), >>> setting the Format to "RTF_Japanese_Import." Which seems to have >>> worked perfectly. Thank god for archives. >> >> Yes: I should have mentioned it. Back in FrameMaker 6 for Mac, >> for some unfathomable reason, the 'Japanese' RTF import filter >> worked better than the other one. >> >>> And, yes, the French accents are no problem, either way. > > Regards, > > Peter > ___ > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices
Table continued variable not always working
Framers, Thanks for all the advice about pagination fine tuning. I'll be using that info soon. Now, I'm inserting the table continuation variable, and it doesn't always work (FM 7.0 on Win XP). I've never seen this before. I change to another variable in the same place, and it works just fine. Every other variable I insert is fine, but when I return to table cont., it may or may not work as I look at the table continuing on the next page (I know that I need to look at the continued part of the table on the next page). It's very odd. I had one working, then I just opened the file, and not it's not any more. I've moved the table title from the bottom to the top and back. Sometimes that "fixes" it, but apparently only temporarily. I've had it happen in two different tables in two different chapters (both part of the same book). I just looked at the other one that I'd fixed a few days ago, and it, too, is no longer working. =:o Has anyone else seen this? Any fixes? ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates
Table continued variable not always working
Linda, How long is your table title? If it is too long to add the variable at the end, FM won't automatically wrap. You have force the table title to wrap (set the right indent on the Paragraph catalog) and then you will see the variable again. TVB -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:00 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Table continued variable not always working Framers, Thanks for all the advice about pagination fine tuning. I'll be using that info soon. Now, I'm inserting the table continuation variable, and it doesn't always work (FM 7.0 on Win XP). I've never seen this before. I change to another variable in the same place, and it works just fine. Every other variable I insert is fine, but when I return to table cont., it may or may not work as I look at the table continuing on the next page (I know that I need to look at the continued part of the table on the next page). It's very odd. I had one working, then I just opened the file, and not it's not any more. I've moved the table title from the bottom to the top and back. Sometimes that "fixes" it, but apparently only temporarily. I've had it happen in two different tables in two different chapters (both part of the same book). I just looked at the other one that I'd fixed a few days ago, and it, too, is no longer working. =:o Has anyone else seen this? Any fixes? ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as tammy.vanboening at healthlanguage.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tammy.vanboening%40h ealthlanguage.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means.
Table continued variable not always working
For this to work the table title has to be inserted as one of the table parameters, not as a separate paragraph above or below the table. Look at the table designer, there is a selection for the title to be "Above...", "Below..." or "No Title". If, for instance, your table title paragraph is inserted manually in the paragraph where the table is anchored, it can the same visually, but the variable will not work. The automatic version inserts a little cell above or below the table for the title paragraph, which you can change to your chosen paragraph style and add the variable to. Clint Clint Owen Technical Publications Crane Aerospace & Electronics 425-743-8674 Framers, Thanks for all the advice about pagination fine tuning. I'll be using that info soon. Now, I'm inserting the table continuation variable, and it doesn't always work (FM 7.0 on Win XP). I've never seen this before. I change to another variable in the same place, and it works just fine. Every other variable I insert is fine, but when I return to table cont., it may or may not work as I look at the table continuing on the next page (I know that I need to look at the continued part of the table on the next page). It's very odd. I had one working, then I just opened the file, and not it's not any more. I've moved the table title from the bottom to the top and back. Sometimes that "fixes" it, but apparently only temporarily. I've had it happen in two different tables in two different chapters (both part of the same book). I just looked at the other one that I'd fixed a few days ago, and it, too, is no longer working. =:o Has anyone else seen this? Any fixes? ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as tammy.vanboening at healthlanguage.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tammy.vanboening%40h ealthlanguage.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us! Thank you for your time! ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ##
Table continued variable not always working
Yes, it's part of the table designer definition of the table. The problem is what Tammy described. I had to set a right indent for the table title para style to force the para to wrap. It apparently won't automatically wrap just for the continued variable. I have a rather small page size, so the titles did need to wrap to fit the Continued text in. Setting a right indent of .75" worked to get both of the tables to always show the continued variable. Thanks, Tammy! ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:08 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: RE: Table continued variable not always working For this to work the table title has to be inserted as one of the table parameters, not as a separate paragraph above or below the table. Look at the table designer, there is a selection for the title to be "Above...", "Below..." or "No Title". If, for instance, your table title paragraph is inserted manually in the paragraph where the table is anchored, it can the same visually, but the variable will not work. The automatic version inserts a little cell above or below the table for the title paragraph, which you can change to your chosen paragraph style and add the variable to. Clint Clint Owen Technical Publications Crane Aerospace & Electronics 425-743-8674 Framers, Thanks for all the advice about pagination fine tuning. I'll be using that info soon. Now, I'm inserting the table continuation variable, and it doesn't always work (FM 7.0 on Win XP). I've never seen this before. I change to another variable in the same place, and it works just fine. Every other variable I insert is fine, but when I return to table cont., it may or may not work as I look at the table continuing on the next page (I know that I need to look at the continued part of the table on the next page). It's very odd. I had one working, then I just opened the file, and not it's not any more. I've moved the table title from the bottom to the top and back. Sometimes that "fixes" it, but apparently only temporarily. I've had it happen in two different tables in two different chapters (both part of the same book). I just looked at the other one that I'd fixed a few days ago, and it, too, is no longer working. =:o Has anyone else seen this? Any fixes? ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as tammy.vanboening at healthlanguage.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tammy.vanboening%40h ealthlanguage.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback
Microsoft XP support
For those looking to "save" Windows XP, you may want to check this out: http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing?
Table continued variable not always working
Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > Yes, it's part of the table designer definition of the table. > > The problem is what Tammy described. I had to set a right indent for the > table title para style to force the para to wrap. It apparently won't > automatically wrap just for the continued variable. I have a rather small > page size, so the titles did need to wrap to fit the Continued text in. > > Setting a right indent of .75" worked to get both of the tables to always > show the continued variable. > > Thanks, Tammy! > Can't remember if I've tried this or not -- does a non-breaking space before the variable cause an automatic wrap? s. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "It is not enough that I succeed. Others must fail." -- Oscar Wilde
Microsoft XP support
This may also be relevant :) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24293129/ Z > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Rick Quatro > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:26 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Austin Meredith > Subject: Re: Microsoft XP support > > For those looking to "save" Windows XP, you may want to check this out: > > http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > > > > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing?
Rotated graphics
Hi everyone, I'm importing graphs created in Excel. Works fine, life is good, they seem to import at the right size/shape, all is good. I have a few that I want to run landscape on the page. I import it into Frame (Copy in Excel, then Edit > Paste Special > Embedded Microsoft Graph Chart Object). OK so far. The quality is good, letters are smooth, no jagged edges, etc. Looks good printed, in PDF, etc. Then I rotate my graph sideways (right-click, rotate, counter-clockwise), and the quality goes terrible. My print vendor tells me those pages are at 150 dpi. Why would the quality suddenly change with a different orientation? I am not resizing anything by hand, just rotating. Ideas? Tina Ricks Editor, Trial Guides, LLC tina at trialguides.com
Rotated graphics
Sorry. nevermind. I figured it out. My first attempt who knows what I did. When I re-imported and rotated, it looks awful on the screen (and I have a very nice monitor), but looks fine in PDF and print. Tina Ricks Editor, Trial Guides, LLC tina at trialguides.com
Microsoft XP support
Hi Dan, Your sentiment is completely understood; however, where will you run FrameMaker after your XP breaks? Is Adobe going to port back to MAC (as though they should have left in the first place)?! or to Linux? Do you have some inside scoop here? I presently run frame in XP as a guest O/S on a MacBook Pro. It works. Even so, it would not, under the scenario you project, offer you an answer. Would appreciate your thoughts. Best regards, Gregory Eckrich, Technical Writer 708-743-6849 cell 708-862-7180 GWEckrich at wowway.com On 5-Apr - 2008, at 8:23 AM, Dan Gallagher wrote: > When my XP stops working, that's when I'll either try Linux or buy a > Macintosh. I will NEVER use Vista! > Sincerely, > Dan--Ft. Lauderdale > > > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be > discussing? > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as GWEckrich at wowway.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ > gweckrich%40wowway.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
TOOLBOX for FrameMaker full unicode compliant
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Microsoft XP support
> Vista is past the early adopter > phase, past the first patch release milestones, and seems to be stable > enough for production systems. For my part, it's not the stability of Vista that concerns me, it's the darn user interface. I avoid Vista like the plague, and so far I've been able to work for clients who agree with me. Even when I'm forced to run Vista, I use itg with the XP-menu add-ons. = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com
Batch Mif to FM Conversion Tool
Hello Framers, I'm curious if anyone has come across a tool/script that is capable of batch conversions of Mif files to FM files? Thanks, Aden
Learning curve for FrameMaker
Listers: I apologize in advance for asking an admittedly vague question, but any experiences or information you can share will be appreciated. I've focused largely on MS Word for the past fifteen years of my career, and have become quite adept at designing templates for technical publications. I'm currently in a shop that uses both Word and FrameMaker, and have been offered "ownership" of the FrameMaker templates as well. I have only the slightest experience of FrameMaker. Can anyone hazard a guess as to how long it might take me to get up to speed with FrameMaker, to the point of being able to do more good than harm with the templates I inherit for maintenance, or create from scratch? I can only add that we're using FrameMaker 7.0 to create print publications. That is, we're not using SGML or XML or any of the features of structured FrameMaker. Sincerely, David Chinell
Batch Mif to FM Conversion Tool
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:00:27 -0700, "Aden Jamison" wrote: >I'm curious if anyone has come across a tool/script that is capable of >batch conversions of Mif files to FM files? FrameMaker is the only tool that can legally read/write binary .fm files, thanks to Adobe's license restrictions. One simple way to accomplish something close to this is to rename the .mif files to .fm. Frame doesn't care; when you open one, it opens normally, and when you save it, it saves as .fm binary over the .mif. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Microsoft XP support
According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Conditional text insets
One possibility for handling conditions in insets without applying the conditions is to set up a very simple structured document and manage conditions using attributes. Wait - don't have a heart attack! It is possible to set up an extremely simple structure that doesn't do anything other than let you assign the attributes you need (print vs. help) to your paragraphs. Then you could go ahead and use your paragraph catalog as you always do and otherwise ignore the structure. It might not be any more complicated than using scripts or managing multiple conditions. Fred -- Fred Wersan Senior Technical Writer MAK Technologies 68 Moulton St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-8085 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Microsoft XP support
When my XP stops working, that's when I'll either try Linux or buy a Macintosh. I will NEVER use Vista! Sincerely, Dan--Ft. Lauderdale According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Structured vs Unstructured Frame
Framers For years we have been using filemaker and framemaker together to create catalogs and fliers. The way our system worked is that we would create a .mif export through a series of calculations in filemaker, export that created file, then import into an unstructructured frame document and go down the road building a catalog or flier. Now, we have developed our patented software in Filemaker 9.0, rewritten the .mif export to include an xsl transformation and then create the .mif export file. The transformation allows great flexibility when it comes to what we export from filemaker and then import to Frame. At times, however, we find certain combinations of "export choices" do not always play well with Frame on the PC. We get the dreaded "Framemaker has encountered a serious problem and must quit..." When I import that file into Framemaker on the Mac running in classic it imports fine with the display of where the error is and I fix. The big however here is when I import a troublesome file into a structured frame template, it imports just fine. So getting to my question: what are the limits to structured frame documents? My initial understanding is that structured frame documents are just that - structured. However, it seems I have the ability to design my pages, move paragrapgh tags here and there, override initial settings, and layout my catalogs and fliers as I would normally in an unstructured document. It also seems I can re-open that structured document as an unstructured document and go about my business that way as well. The bottom line is I need to be able to create all my pages like before, book my files and create an index, and panatone colors, and create print-ready pdfs for our printers. Is there any reason I couldn't do this with structured documents? I need to assure our clients that this .mif import will work for them too. What are the benefits, with my given needs, for running structured frame documents? Thanks for your help. Scott White Media Production Manager Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Microsoft XP support
I recently bought an Acer laptop with Vista. Because of all the anti-Vista press, I was prepared to install XP or a dual boot setup. However, I decided to work with Vista first. So far, it has worked just fine with FrameMaker 7.2, 8.0, and FrameScript 5.1. The key may be RAM; I have 3Gb and it doesn't seem sluggish at all. Your use of "NEVER" may be based on experience, but if it's based on the opinion of others, you may want to give it a chance. Even if you go with Linux or Mac OSX, you will have to have some flavor of Windows if you are going to run FrameMaker. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > When my XP stops working, that's when I'll either try Linux or buy a > Macintosh. I will NEVER use Vista! > Sincerely, > Dan--Ft. Lauderdale > > > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? > ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Structured vs Unstructured Frame
Hi Scott, A more direct path would be to write a script in the FrameScript language that queries your database and builds the FrameMaker document directly. You could easily build a structured or unstructured document, depending on your preference. If you have xml in your database, a FrameScript solution with structured FrameMaker is especially attractive, because you can use the MSXML OCX parser in combination with FrameScript. FrameScript allows you to use OCX controls, and the MSXML OCX control gives you the power of XPATH and XQUERY directly within FrameMaker. Note that I specialize in FrameMaker internals development. Feel free to contact me off list if you would like additional information, Martin Martin R. Smith Web Site: http://www.golehtek.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Microsoft XP support
> Your use of "NEVER" may be based on experience, but if it's based on the > opinion of others, you may want to give it a chance. Even if you go with > Linux or Mac OSX, you will have to have some flavor of Windows if you are > going to run FrameMaker. Personally, I've been using Vista since September and haven't seen any more problems than what I've had with XP. -- Rick Henkel http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Structured vs Unstructured Frame
I think a big, possibly the biggest question, would be what version of FM are you talking about? There's always been some, and usually an increasing amount of support, for different styles and levels of complexity as FM has evolved from having separate unstructured and SGML versions to an integreated package. But FM8 is the first that's come out of the box as an XML / DITA editor without using plugins. So I'd use that as my baseline, I think, rather than an earlier version that may have depended on tweaks, kludges, or custom code. And with that, I think, would be a question about whether it wouldn't be better to use an XML based import rather than MIF. Art On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Scott White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Framers > > > So getting to my question: what are the limits to structured frame > documents? > What are the benefits, with my given needs, for running structured > frame documents? -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Microsoft XP support
I think that it's probably only an issue on those purchasing new systems Microsoft, as most software companies do, has always discontinued support for non-shipping versions at some point. It doesn't mean that XP is suddenly going to stop working on July 1. I probably wouldn't have wanted to migrate production systems to it before the first of this year, but the personal systems that I have access to seem to be running fine. Vista is past the early adopter phase, past the first patch release milestones, and seems to be stable enough for production systems. Art On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Austin Meredith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? > > > ___ > > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: Podcast Question
Sorry for the OT, but this silly little problem has to have been answered somewhere before and I just can't find a clue... I'm using iTunes to download a set of daily podcasts because the servers here don't have the bandwidth to support streaming. I have set up the download to check for new episodes daily, and that works fine. However, the first time I configured the application, it was @ 7:53 AM. Now that is the scheduled time for the daily update. It would be a whole lot slicker (and conserve bandwidth) if I could set that update to happen at 2:AM. I tried all of the controls I could find through the UI and tried looking for something promising in the registry, but no joy so far. I tried iTunes support and even subscribed to their forums, but can't figure out how to post? Anybody have a resource for addressing iTunes questions? -- J. Paul Kent 206-383-0539 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Microsoft XP support
FWIW, I have been running a number of Vista systems, both 32-bit and 64-bit with nary a problem for a while now. SP1 significantly restores the performance problems that the original Vista releases had. The biggest problem with Vista was that Microsoft over-promised and under-delivered, late! They also pressured software and hardware vendors for support of Vista features such as XPS that are effectively irrelevant. And of course, with nothing else to write about, the trade press certainly were waiting to pounce on the Vista "failure." Corporate IT/IS types were mad at Microsoft for requiring them to pay for "software assurance" maintenance agreements over a period of the last number of years being promised a "free" significant OS upgrade during the time of those pricey "software assurance" agreements; what they got didn't live up to the billing and the costs. I certainly would NOT recommend that anyone running of an existing XP system "upgrade" the operating system to Vista. It buys nothing significant. For a new system with multiple core processor(s) and significant memory, Vista is not a bad idea. I remember that in 1990 when Microsoft released Windows 3.0, there were those screaming about how they would NEVER migrate beyond Windows 2.1 ... - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Rick Henkel > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:56 AM > Subject: Re: Microsoft XP support > > > Your use of "NEVER" may be based on experience, but if it's based on the > > opinion of others, you may want to give it a chance. Even if you go with > > Linux or Mac OSX, you will have to have some flavor of Windows if you are > > going to run FrameMaker. > > Personally, I've been using Vista since September and haven't seen any > more problems than what I've had with XP. > > -- > Rick Henkel > http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm > ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Podcast Question
According to this book what I wrote about Podcasting a couple years ago, iPodder (a free app) may be a viable alternative. It'll download files whenever you want and then they're there waiting for you to inhale to iTunes to plug into the iPod. If you're simply interested in downloading them to play them locally, you can skip iTunes entirely and play them from iPodder using whatever MP3 playing app you have. Yours truly, John Hedtke Author/Consultant/Contract Writer www.hedtke.com <-- website 541-685-5000 (office landline) 541-554-2189 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (primary email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (secondary email) At 08:11 AM 4/28/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Sorry for the OT, but this silly little problem has to have been >answered somewhere before and I just can't find a clue... > >I'm using iTunes to download a set of daily podcasts because the >servers here don't have the bandwidth to support streaming. > >I have set up the download to check for new episodes daily, and that >works fine. > >However, the first time I configured the application, it was @ 7:53 >AM. Now that is the scheduled time for the daily update. It would be >a whole lot slicker (and conserve bandwidth) if I could set that >update to happen at 2:AM. > >I tried all of the controls I could find through the UI and tried >looking for something promising in the registry, but no joy so >far. I tried iTunes support and even subscribed to their forums, >but can't figure out how to post? > >Anybody have a resource for addressing iTunes questions? > >-- >J. Paul Kent >206-383-0539 >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john%40hedtke.com > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Yours truly, John Hedtke Author/Consultant/Contract Writer www.hedtke.com <-- website Region 7 Director, STC 541-685-5000 (office landline) 541-554-2189 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (primary email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (secondary email) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Microsoft XP support
Before we get too excited about this, it appears to me that the news report refers to Microsoft ceasing to *sell* XP, not ceasing to support it. As for me, I tried Vista on a new laptop for a few days and hated it. Roger Shuttleworth Technical Publications TVWorks Canada, Inc. 150 Dufferin Avenue London, Ontario N6A 5N6 Canada Tel. 519 963-4368 www.tvworks.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Microsoft XP support
Austin Meredith wrote: > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/srogers%40phoenix-geophysics.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "It is not enough that I succeed. Others must fail." -- Oscar Wilde ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Microsoft XP support
Austin Meredith wrote: > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? > > (Sorry about the previous posting with no content but the quote -- that's the first hiccup I've experienced with Thunderbird.) What MS announced was that by the end of June, computer makers will have to stop *selling* Windows XP for all uses other than ultra-low-cost PCs. Mainstream technical support will continue to be available for Windows XP through April 2009, and more limited support will continue through April 2014. (That probably means that the constant stream of patches for security "vulnerabilities" will continue till then.) MS had originally said they would stop selling XP in January, but were forced by market pressure to extend that date. It is already most unusual that MS is still allowing XP to be sold when its successor has been on the market for so long. We all knew that XP would disappear when Vista arrived -- we shouldn't expect any more difficulties than were experienced when previous OS versions were superceded. best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "It is not enough that I succeed. Others must fail." -- Oscar Wilde (or was it Bill Gates??) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OS X 10.4.11 -- can't import files from Word -- new wrinkle
Hello everyone, Two weeks ago, I sent a message about a problem I was having importing Word RTFs into Frame 6 (Mac). The solution, in the end, was to import them using "RTF_Japanese_Import." Since then, a new glitch has developed -- it won't import any text in tables. The tables come in, but their cells are empty. It also won't recognize non-breaking spaces. The French accents remain as they should be. Even an RTF file I'd previously imported successfully now imports without the contents of the tables. Any ideas? Will I have to reinstall OSX 10.3? Thanks, Louise On 18-Apr-08, at 10:56 AM, Peter Gold wrote: > Mastersoft provided some of FM's conversion filters at one time. The > error is in the conversion filter, not FM itself. Apparently the > Japanese RTF filter is/was smarter than the standard RTF filter. > > I believe around that time, even Word had problems importing Word > files because of file-format changes. > > Glad to hear you've gotten past the problem. > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Steve Rickaby > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> At 10:12 -0400 18/4/08, Louise Moritsugu wrote: >> >>> You raise a useful point about upgrading to FM 7, and I'll set up >>> a search on eBay for one. >>> >>> After I sent the initial message, I Googled "Mastersoft" in the >>> dead of night and found a 2002 response from Jeremy Griffiths on >>> another list that mentioned Importing (Copy Into Document), >>> setting the Format to "RTF_Japanese_Import." Which seems to have >>> worked perfectly. Thank god for archives. >> >> Yes: I should have mentioned it. Back in FrameMaker 6 for Mac, >> for some unfathomable reason, the 'Japanese' RTF import filter >> worked better than the other one. >> >>> And, yes, the French accents are no problem, either way. > > Regards, > > Peter > ___ > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Table continued variable not always working
Framers, Thanks for all the advice about pagination fine tuning. I'll be using that info soon. Now, I'm inserting the table continuation variable, and it doesn't always work (FM 7.0 on Win XP). I've never seen this before. I change to another variable in the same place, and it works just fine. Every other variable I insert is fine, but when I return to table cont., it may or may not work as I look at the table continuing on the next page (I know that I need to look at the continued part of the table on the next page). It's very odd. I had one working, then I just opened the file, and not it's not any more. I've moved the table title from the bottom to the top and back. Sometimes that "fixes" it, but apparently only temporarily. I've had it happen in two different tables in two different chapters (both part of the same book). I just looked at the other one that I'd fixed a few days ago, and it, too, is no longer working. =:o Has anyone else seen this? Any fixes? ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Table continued variable not always working
Linda, How long is your table title? If it is too long to add the variable at the end, FM won't automatically wrap. You have force the table title to wrap (set the right indent on the Paragraph catalog) and then you will see the variable again. TVB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Table continued variable not always working Framers, Thanks for all the advice about pagination fine tuning. I'll be using that info soon. Now, I'm inserting the table continuation variable, and it doesn't always work (FM 7.0 on Win XP). I've never seen this before. I change to another variable in the same place, and it works just fine. Every other variable I insert is fine, but when I return to table cont., it may or may not work as I look at the table continuing on the next page (I know that I need to look at the continued part of the table on the next page). It's very odd. I had one working, then I just opened the file, and not it's not any more. I've moved the table title from the bottom to the top and back. Sometimes that "fixes" it, but apparently only temporarily. I've had it happen in two different tables in two different chapters (both part of the same book). I just looked at the other one that I'd fixed a few days ago, and it, too, is no longer working. =:o Has anyone else seen this? Any fixes? ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tammy.vanboening%40h ealthlanguage.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Table continued variable not always working
For this to work the table title has to be inserted as one of the table parameters, not as a separate paragraph above or below the table. Look at the table designer, there is a selection for the title to be "Above...", "Below..." or "No Title". If, for instance, your table title paragraph is inserted manually in the paragraph where the table is anchored, it can the same visually, but the variable will not work. The automatic version inserts a little cell above or below the table for the title paragraph, which you can change to your chosen paragraph style and add the variable to. Clint Clint Owen Technical Publications Crane Aerospace & Electronics 425-743-8674 Framers, Thanks for all the advice about pagination fine tuning. I'll be using that info soon. Now, I'm inserting the table continuation variable, and it doesn't always work (FM 7.0 on Win XP). I've never seen this before. I change to another variable in the same place, and it works just fine. Every other variable I insert is fine, but when I return to table cont., it may or may not work as I look at the table continuing on the next page (I know that I need to look at the continued part of the table on the next page). It's very odd. I had one working, then I just opened the file, and not it's not any more. I've moved the table title from the bottom to the top and back. Sometimes that "fixes" it, but apparently only temporarily. I've had it happen in two different tables in two different chapters (both part of the same book). I just looked at the other one that I'd fixed a few days ago, and it, too, is no longer working. =:o Has anyone else seen this? Any fixes? ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tammy.vanboening%40h ealthlanguage.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us! Thank you for your time! ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ## ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://w
RE: Table continued variable not always working
Yes, it's part of the table designer definition of the table. The problem is what Tammy described. I had to set a right indent for the table title para style to force the para to wrap. It apparently won't automatically wrap just for the continued variable. I have a rather small page size, so the titles did need to wrap to fit the Continued text in. Setting a right indent of .75" worked to get both of the tables to always show the continued variable. Thanks, Tammy! ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Table continued variable not always working For this to work the table title has to be inserted as one of the table parameters, not as a separate paragraph above or below the table. Look at the table designer, there is a selection for the title to be "Above...", "Below..." or "No Title". If, for instance, your table title paragraph is inserted manually in the paragraph where the table is anchored, it can the same visually, but the variable will not work. The automatic version inserts a little cell above or below the table for the title paragraph, which you can change to your chosen paragraph style and add the variable to. Clint Clint Owen Technical Publications Crane Aerospace & Electronics 425-743-8674 Framers, Thanks for all the advice about pagination fine tuning. I'll be using that info soon. Now, I'm inserting the table continuation variable, and it doesn't always work (FM 7.0 on Win XP). I've never seen this before. I change to another variable in the same place, and it works just fine. Every other variable I insert is fine, but when I return to table cont., it may or may not work as I look at the table continuing on the next page (I know that I need to look at the continued part of the table on the next page). It's very odd. I had one working, then I just opened the file, and not it's not any more. I've moved the table title from the bottom to the top and back. Sometimes that "fixes" it, but apparently only temporarily. I've had it happen in two different tables in two different chapters (both part of the same book). I just looked at the other one that I'd fixed a few days ago, and it, too, is no longer working. =:o Has anyone else seen this? Any fixes? ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tammy.vanboening%40h ealthlanguage.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us! Thank you for your time! ## Attention: The information contained in this email messag
Re: Microsoft XP support
For those looking to "save" Windows XP, you may want to check this out: http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Table continued variable not always working
Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > Yes, it's part of the table designer definition of the table. > > The problem is what Tammy described. I had to set a right indent for the > table title para style to force the para to wrap. It apparently won't > automatically wrap just for the continued variable. I have a rather small > page size, so the titles did need to wrap to fit the Continued text in. > > Setting a right indent of .75" worked to get both of the tables to always > show the continued variable. > > Thanks, Tammy! > Can't remember if I've tried this or not -- does a non-breaking space before the variable cause an automatic wrap? s. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "It is not enough that I succeed. Others must fail." -- Oscar Wilde ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Microsoft XP support
This may also be relevant :) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24293129/ Z > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Rick Quatro > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:26 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Austin Meredith > Subject: Re: Microsoft XP support > > For those looking to "save" Windows XP, you may want to check this out: > > http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > > > > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Rotated graphics
Hi everyone, I'm importing graphs created in Excel. Works fine, life is good, they seem to import at the right size/shape, all is good. I have a few that I want to run landscape on the page. I import it into Frame (Copy in Excel, then Edit > Paste Special > Embedded Microsoft Graph Chart Object). OK so far. The quality is good, letters are smooth, no jagged edges, etc. Looks good printed, in PDF, etc. Then I rotate my graph sideways (right-click, rotate, counter-clockwise), and the quality goes terrible. My print vendor tells me those pages are at 150 dpi. Why would the quality suddenly change with a different orientation? I am not resizing anything by hand, just rotating. Ideas? Tina Ricks Editor, Trial Guides, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Rotated graphics
Sorry. nevermind. I figured it out. My first attempt who knows what I did. When I re-imported and rotated, it looks awful on the screen (and I have a very nice monitor), but looks fine in PDF and print. Tina Ricks Editor, Trial Guides, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Microsoft XP support
Hi Dan, Your sentiment is completely understood; however, where will you run FrameMaker after your XP breaks? Is Adobe going to port back to MAC (as though they should have left in the first place)?! or to Linux? Do you have some inside scoop here? I presently run frame in XP as a guest O/S on a MacBook Pro. It works. Even so, it would not, under the scenario you project, offer you an answer. Would appreciate your thoughts. Best regards, Gregory Eckrich, Technical Writer 708-743-6849 cell 708-862-7180 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5-Apr - 2008, at 8:23 AM, Dan Gallagher wrote: > When my XP stops working, that's when I'll either try Linux or buy a > Macintosh. I will NEVER use Vista! > Sincerely, > Dan--Ft. Lauderdale > > > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be > discussing? > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ > gweckrich%40wowway.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TOOLBOX for FrameMaker full unicode compliant
Worldwide available and successful: TOOLBOX for(r) FrameMaker 8 Full Unicode compliant. + Book transfer with every Xrefs- full Unicode compliant + Change .fm to .mif and back- full Unicode compliant + Special character (important for correct characters) - full Unicode compliant Now, all 30 plugins in one package: + Update from older version + new user full version Highlight: 3D-Services or DITA-Services add-on successful and available in two different packages: www.systec-it.de/en/dita include WebWorks 2008.1 www.systec-it.de/en/3dcomm More information: www.toolboxforme.com Download TOOLBOX for(r) FrameMaker 8 and work for 30 days FREE. Buy and license online: www.systec-shop.de Georg Eck (CEO and ACE) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Microsoft XP support
> Vista is past the early adopter > phase, past the first patch release milestones, and seems to be stable > enough for production systems. For my part, it's not the stability of Vista that concerns me, it's the darn user interface. I avoid Vista like the plague, and so far I've been able to work for clients who agree with me. Even when I'm forced to run Vista, I use itg with the XP-menu add-ons. = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Batch Mif to FM Conversion Tool
Hello Framers, I'm curious if anyone has come across a tool/script that is capable of batch conversions of Mif files to FM files? Thanks, Aden ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Learning curve for FrameMaker
Listers: I apologize in advance for asking an admittedly vague question, but any experiences or information you can share will be appreciated. I've focused largely on MS Word for the past fifteen years of my career, and have become quite adept at designing templates for technical publications. I'm currently in a shop that uses both Word and FrameMaker, and have been offered "ownership" of the FrameMaker templates as well. I have only the slightest experience of FrameMaker. Can anyone hazard a guess as to how long it might take me to get up to speed with FrameMaker, to the point of being able to do more good than harm with the templates I inherit for maintenance, or create from scratch? I can only add that we're using FrameMaker 7.0 to create print publications. That is, we're not using SGML or XML or any of the features of structured FrameMaker. Sincerely, David Chinell ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Batch Mif to FM Conversion Tool
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:00:27 -0700, "Aden Jamison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm curious if anyone has come across a tool/script that is capable of >batch conversions of Mif files to FM files? FrameMaker is the only tool that can legally read/write binary .fm files, thanks to Adobe's license restrictions. One simple way to accomplish something close to this is to rename the .mif files to .fm. Frame doesn't care; when you open one, it opens normally, and when you save it, it saves as .fm binary over the .mif. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.