RE: Framemaker Uses

[Gordon McLean]

Once upon a time I used to create the company newsletter (A5 booklet) in
FrameMaker.

If ever there was a way to find the limitations of the mighty FM... It was a
painful experience (that was for version 4 mind you).

Gordon 

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Sent: 07 May 2008 17:05
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Subject: Framemaker Uses

Just out of curiosity, what kinds of documents are people producing in
Framemaker?

Our department produces aeronautial documents, such as Component Maintenance
Manuals, Aircraft Maintenance Manuals, Wiring Diagram Manuals, and
Illustrated Parts Catalogs.

Do people produce books and magazines with Framemaker?  Is Stephen King
writing his next masterpiece on Framemaker?  Does Anna Wintour use
Framemaker to kick the next issue of Vogue to the curb? Are there websites
that have been created in a Framemaker environment?

I'm curious to know how widely used this product is and for what
applications.

Thanks!

Deirdre
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Re: Book file too big

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I often had this problem until I made sure (by automation) that the
dreaded FNTCACHE.DAT file was deleted every time I shut the computer
down. Since that I have not had this problem. So got to your
C:\WINDOWS\System32\, find the file, delete it and reboot. This is a
file that will be re-created on boot.
I recently wrote on the list a procedure to make Windows do this
automatically. It has worked fine so far.

Best regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

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  Hi Rick,

  That's good news that you don't think it's maxing out ... as I have 130 more 
 files to add to it :)

  Here's the Distiller error:

  %%[ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: pdfmark; ErrorInfo: _objdef 
 A290821.1 ]%%
  Stack:
  /ANN
  /Custom
  /Subtype
  [0 0 0]
  /Border
  [4689 2286 7299 2086]
  /Rect
  {A290821.1}
  /_objdef
  -dict-

  %%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%
  %%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %%
  Distill Time: 00 Hour(s) : 00 Minute(s) : 19.16 Second(s)
   End of Job 

  Thanks!

  Heidi
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 framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Book file too big Date: Wed, 7 
 May 2008 15:54:22 -0400  Hi Heidi,  I doubt if it is maxed out. What is 
 the text of the error you get in the  Distiller error log?  Rick Quatro 
 Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com   Hello Framers,  I 
 have a book that consist of close to 500 files. The total page count is  shy 
 of 900.  The problem: I cannot print a .pdf. I've created mifs to correct 
 the issue  in a given file and it worked, but then a few files down it did 
 it on  another file. I mifed ALL the files, tried to print to PDF again and 
 now it  stopping on one particular page. I've mifed it, I've saved the 
 content in a  new file container, blah blah. It won't go budge!  Is it 
 possible this book, with umpteen xrefs to other files in the book is  just 
 maxed out?  Any insight is much appreciated!  Heidi 
 
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Re: TOC problem with links

[Stephen O'Brien]

Does it contain text insets?

At 12:54 PM 08/05/2008, Martinek, Carla wrote:
Generating a book with about 15 source files.  There is one file that
will show up in the TOC with the correct headings, but the links are
broken.

Tried the following:
- MIFfing the file
- making a new container file and pasting the contents there
- deleting the existing TOC and forcing FM to create a new one
- putting the trouble file in another location in the book

Any suggestions?

FM8 on a relatively new Windows machine with plenty of memory and disk
space (not my computer, don't know the specifics).

-Carla

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RE: TOC problem with links

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Carla

Which links are you referring to? ToC hyperlinks to chapters? Internal links 
within the chapter? Cross-refs inside the chapter? Etc.

Roger

Roger Shuttleworth
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TVWorks Canada, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: May 8, 2008 12:54 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TOC problem with links

Generating a book with about 15 source files.  There is one file that
will show up in the TOC with the correct headings, but the links are
broken.

Tried the following: 
- MIFfing the file
- making a new container file and pasting the contents there
- deleting the existing TOC and forcing FM to create a new one
- putting the trouble file in another location in the book

Any suggestions?

FM8 on a relatively new Windows machine with plenty of memory and disk
space (not my computer, don't know the specifics).

-Carla
 
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RE: TOC problem with links

[Martinek, Carla]

The links in the ToC itself to the chapter title and subheadings.  All
generated links in the ToC except for this one file work.

The file did contain text insets, but they were converted to normal
text, and the broken links still happened.

We also deleted the first xref marker in the file, on the heading, to
try and force new links to be created. Still broken.

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RE: Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?

[Syed.Hosain]

Okay, my apologies, folks ...

Based on an e-mail I received (for a source of the PDF version of Rick's book), 
I went looking and realized that my PDF copy is because I bought the book a 
while back from Scriptorium, and the PDF is on the CD that came with the book.

I also note that Scriptorium has it marked as Out Of Print too: 
http://store.scriptorium.com/items/books/framescript-a-crash-course-bk_fscript-detail.htm?1=1

Rick (since you are on this list), would you consider putting this version of 
the book (i.e., the PDF file) into the public domain for people to use, since 
your new book is in the works? Or, so you have another source for the book?

Z

 -Original Message-
 You can buy PDF copies of it too ... might be the best way to go!
 
 Z
 
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  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?
 
  Would anybody possibly have a copy of Rick Quattros Framescript book for
  sale? It is out of print, and I can't find it on neither Ebay nor Amazon.
 
  regards
  Bjørn Smalbro
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Re: Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?

[Art Campbell]

According to Rick's www site, you can buy it from Scriptorium publishing...
http://www.frameexpert.com/book.htm

Art

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Studio Smalbro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Would anybody possibly have a copy of Rick Quattros Framescript book for
  sale? It is out of print, and I can't find it on neither Ebay nor Amazon.

  regards
  Bjørn Smalbro

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Re: Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?

[Art Campbell]

I think rather than putting it into the public domain, perhaps an
on-demand publisher such as lulu.com may be a better solution, both
for Rick and the community

Art

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Okay, my apologies, folks ...

  Based on an e-mail I received (for a source of the PDF version of Rick's 
 book), I went looking and realized that my PDF copy is because I bought the 
 book a while back from Scriptorium, and the PDF is on the CD that came with 
 the book.

  I also note that Scriptorium has it marked as Out Of Print too: 
 http://store.scriptorium.com/items/books/framescript-a-crash-course-bk_fscript-detail.htm?1=1

  Rick (since you are on this list), would you consider putting this version 
 of the book (i.e., the PDF file) into the public domain for people to use, 
 since your new book is in the works? Or, so you have another source for the 
 book?

  Z


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RE: TOC problem with links

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Carla

I presume you are referring to the hyperlinks that are created between the ToC 
and the chapter heading within Frame, rather than in a PDF.

If you have View, Text Symbols switched on, do you see a hypertext marker in 
this ToC heading, just as in the other headings?

In the book file, when you right-click the ToC and choose Set Up Table of 
Contents, is the Create Hypertext Links box checked?

Does the heading in the ToC (or in the chapter, for that matter) contain a 
character format that spans part of it? This would limit the hypertext link
to only a portion of the heading.

These are some of the things that occur to me right off...

Roger

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
www.tvworks.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: May 8, 2008 1:13 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOC problem with links

The links in the ToC itself to the chapter title and subheadings.  All
generated links in the ToC except for this one file work.

The file did contain text insets, but they were converted to normal
text, and the broken links still happened.

We also deleted the first xref marker in the file, on the heading, to
try and force new links to be created. Still broken.

-Carla
 
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RE: Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?

[Syed.Hosain]

A way better suggestion than mine ... thanks!

Z

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 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:26 AM
 To: Rick Quatro
 Cc: Studio Smalbro; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?
 
 I think rather than putting it into the public domain, perhaps an
 on-demand publisher such as lulu.com may be a better solution, both
 for Rick and the community
 
 Art
 
 On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Okay, my apologies, folks ...
 
   Based on an e-mail I received (for a source of the PDF version of
Rick's book), I went looking and
 realized that my PDF copy is because I bought the book a while back
from Scriptorium, and the PDF is
 on the CD that came with the book.
 
   I also note that Scriptorium has it marked as Out Of Print too:

http://store.scriptorium.com/items/books/framescript-a-crash-course-bk_f
script-detail.htm?1=1
 
   Rick (since you are on this list), would you consider putting this
version of the book (i.e., the
 PDF file) into the public domain for people to use, since your new
book is in the works? Or, so you
 have another source for the book?
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Re: Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?

[Rick Quatro]

I am working on an updated edition of the book, which will be released this 
summer. Thanks for your interest.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Okay, my apologies, folks ...

Based on an e-mail I received (for a source of the PDF version of Rick's 
book), I went looking and realized that my PDF copy is because I bought the 
book a while back from Scriptorium, and the PDF is on the CD that came with 
the book.

I also note that Scriptorium has it marked as Out Of Print too: 
http://store.scriptorium.com/items/books/framescript-a-crash-course-bk_fscript-detail.htm?1=1

Rick (since you are on this list), would you consider putting this version 
of the book (i.e., the PDF file) into the public domain for people to use, 
since your new book is in the works? Or, so you have another source for the 
book?

Z

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unresolved cross references

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all!

FM 8.0, Windows XP environment.

How do I update cross-references that are in the master pages?  My
directions seem to be appropriate only for body page unresolved
cross-references.

Thanks!

Deirdre
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unresolved cross references part II

[Deirdre Reagan]

Ok, this is what I've done -- opened up a chapter, opened the master
page, then run the Find/Change command, using Paste, and pasting in
the cross-reference.

It seems to be working.  Does that sound about right, or am I taking
the long route?
This way I have to open all the chapters by hand, change the view to
master page and run the Find/Change.  Seems a bit long, but ?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Questions about look and feel.

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, all.

 

This is perhaps a bit of a vague set of questions, but I am interested
in improving the look of our manuals and specifications documentation
and would like to see what others are doing in this regard.

 

1.  Specifically, I am working on various manuals for our software API's
as well as general technical specifications.

 

2.  These tend to be reasonably dry documents, where I have used
numbering for chapter and section titles so people can refer to them by
those numbers when talking internally here, as well as when we get
questions from our customers.

 

3.  The target audience for most of these documents are engineers
(software and hardware) and technical managers and the like. No consumer
docs, or marketing folks or web page formats, etc.

 

4.  At the present time, my chapter and title fonts are Arial (various
sizes depending on the section and subsection level) and my body font is
Palatino Linotype in 11 point.

 

5.  Pretty much in black text most everywhere, except where I use Red
italic font in a sidehead to make certain short one-to-two sentence
notes (also in italic, but in black) stand out right next to the
sidehead word. These are important notes to not overlook by the reader.

 

My goal is to improve legibility.

 

1.  Are there any sample documents (at any site) that people could point
me to as ones that they liked a lot for (a) legibility and (b)
readability for such documents?

 

2.  Do people think that a Sans Serif font improves legibility for body
text? I have seen some recent manual examples using Calibri in a 10
point size (that I wasn't sure that I particularly liked, but if it
makes things easier to read, then I'd be willing to try it).

 

3.  What about color? Like in Section and chapter titles?

 

4.  In many places in my manuals, I have numbers (usually enclosed in
quotes to designate strings) that I show in a fixed-width font (using
Consulas in 11 point), even when in paragraphs that have body text in
Palatino. I have experimented with making these a fairly Dark Blue
color, and also tried bold (in black), to make them stand out a bit
more. This seems to work reasonably well, but I am not sure that I want
to get too much color in these manuals and specifications just yet, so I
have not actually sent anything out yet!

 

Finally ...

 

1.  I am looking to see if I can find a few people to look at two PDF
extracts (less than 10 or 20 pages) from two of my
manuals/specifications to get some critiques along the above lines -
look and feel criticism only (the words and content are a different
thing entirely J!). Any volunteers who could take a bit of time for
this? Thanks in advance!

 

Regards,

 

Z

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RE: unresolved cross references part II

[Owen, Clint]

Deirdre,

That's about right. It's a pain in the neck, but you can't globally open
or search the master pages.

If all or some of your chapters use the same master pages and the same
cross-references (like to a part number on the title page), you can fix
one of them and then import the page layouts into all the others at the
same time.

Clint 


Clint Owen 
Technical Publications
Crane Aerospace  Electronics 
425-743-8674


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Subject: unresolved cross references part II

Ok, this is what I've done -- opened up a chapter, opened the master
page, then run the Find/Change command, using Paste, and pasting in the
cross-reference.

It seems to be working.  Does that sound about right, or am I taking the
long route?
This way I have to open all the chapters by hand, change the view to
master page and run the Find/Change.  Seems a bit long, but ?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Re: unresolved cross references part II

[Deirdre Reagan]

Yes, some of the chapters do use the same master pages.  I will learn
how to do import next!

Thanks so much,

Deirdre

On 5/8/08, Owen, Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deirdre,

 That's about right. It's a pain in the neck, but you can't globally open
 or search the master pages.

 If all or some of your chapters use the same master pages and the same
 cross-references (like to a part number on the title page), you can fix
 one of them and then import the page layouts into all the others at the
 same time.

 Clint


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 Subject: unresolved cross references part II

 Ok, this is what I've done -- opened up a chapter, opened the master
 page, then run the Find/Change command, using Paste, and pasting in the
 cross-reference.

 It seems to be working.  Does that sound about right, or am I taking the
 long route?
 This way I have to open all the chapters by hand, change the view to
 master page and run the Find/Change.  Seems a bit long, but ?

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RE: unresolved cross references part II

[Fred Ridder]

In responding to Deirdre, Clint Owen wrote:
 That's about right. It's a pain in the neck, but you can't globally open
 or search the master pages.
 
 If all or some of your chapters use the same master pages and the same
 cross-references (like to a part number on the title page), you can fix
 one of them and then import the page layouts into all the others at the
 same time.
This is part of the reason why I *strongly* prefer using system variables 
and user variables to construct headers and footers. Another reason is that
I see absolutely no benefit to having active hyperlinks in the headers and 
footers of the PDF I produce that take the reader to some strange and
non-useful location like the title page. One set of templates I once had to
work with used cross-references in the headers and footers, and I absolutely
hated it.
 
It's probably possible to make x-refs in headers and footers behave better
with some FrameScript scripting, but I just don't see the point. With the 
possible exception of page x of y page numbering, I haven't yet 
encountered any requirement for information in headers and footers that
I wasn't able to accomplish more directly using variables.
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RE: unresolved cross references part II

[Combs, Richard]

Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 
 Yes, some of the chapters do use the same master pages.  I will learn
 how to do import next!

Yes, learn about importing formats -- and quickly! :-) To get the most
out of FrameMaker -- both in terms of good results and in terms of
labor-saving and efficiency -- you have to use it properly, and that
means using well-defined, consistent templates/formats for everything.
Everything! 

With rare exceptions, _all_ the chapter files should use the same master
pages. Non-chapter files (like front-matter, TOC, index, etc.) may need
their own special master pages, but the body of the book should have
the same page layouts throughout. Generally, that means 3 basic master
pages -- Left, Right, and First. You may need more for special purposes
(like rotated landscape pages), but it's best to keep things as simple
as possible. 

The chapter files should also all use the same paragraph, character,
table, and cross-reference formats. The only reasonable way make
everything consistent is by importing formats from the chapter in which
they're _right_ (which becomes your template) to all the other chapter
files. 

If you don't consistently apply the same formats across chapters, you
might as well use Word. :-}

That said, I agree with Fred Ridder. Avoid using x-refs on master pages.
Use variables for things like doc titles, company names, product names,
and release numbers -- not x-refs to typed-in instances of them. That's
what variables are for. 

HTH!

Richard


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Re: Questions about look and feel.

[Mike Wickham]

 2.  Do people think that a Sans Serif font improves legibility for body
 text?

Using a sans serif font for body text greatly reduces reader comprehension. 
Obtain a copy of Colin Wheildon's _Type and Layout: Are You Communicating or 
Just Making Pretty Shapes?_ The book contains actual studies showing the 
effects on readability and comprehension of serif vs. sans serif fonts, 
color type, bold and italic type, justified paragraphs, etc. It's a 
fantastic book:

http://www.amazon.com/Type-Layout-Communicating-Making-Pretty/dp/1875750223

Book designers really need to pay attention to these kinds of things. I'm 
seeing more and more books with sans serif body type that might be good for 
a Web page, but not for a book. Recently, I ordered a book that was on a 
unique topic in my field. I awaited it excitedly. At first glance upon 
arrival, it struck me how pretty the book was, which excited me more. Then I 
tried to read it. I couldn't! My eyes just could not stay trained on the 
lines for long.

The book broke every rule. It had tiny type, sans serif body text, headings 
with no capitalization, headings in every color of the rainbow, including 
some that were yellow and nearly invisible on the pages. All recto pages 
have color backgrounds. Do you know how hard it is to read tiny, thin, black 
type on a blue page? Anyway, the book was clearly a designer's dream, but 
it's a reader's nightmare. I still haven't read more than a few paragraph's 
from it.

Mike Wickham


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RE: Questions about look and feel.

[Syed.Hosain]

Thanks for the comments and the book reference, Mike! I will get a copy
...

Z

 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Wickham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:10 PM
 To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]);
framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Questions about look and feel.
 
  2.  Do people think that a Sans Serif font improves legibility for
body
  text?
 
 Using a sans serif font for body text greatly reduces reader
comprehension.
 Obtain a copy of Colin Wheildon's _Type and Layout: Are You
Communicating or
 Just Making Pretty Shapes?_ The book contains actual studies showing
the
 effects on readability and comprehension of serif vs. sans serif
fonts,
 color type, bold and italic type, justified paragraphs, etc. It's a
 fantastic book:
 

http://www.amazon.com/Type-Layout-Communicating-Making-Pretty/dp/1875750
223
 
 Book designers really need to pay attention to these kinds of things.
I'm
 seeing more and more books with sans serif body type that might be
good for
 a Web page, but not for a book. Recently, I ordered a book that was on
a
 unique topic in my field. I awaited it excitedly. At first glance upon
 arrival, it struck me how pretty the book was, which excited me more.
Then I
 tried to read it. I couldn't! My eyes just could not stay trained on
the
 lines for long.
 
 The book broke every rule. It had tiny type, sans serif body text,
headings
 with no capitalization, headings in every color of the rainbow,
including
 some that were yellow and nearly invisible on the pages. All recto
pages
 have color backgrounds. Do you know how hard it is to read tiny, thin,
black
 type on a blue page? Anyway, the book was clearly a designer's dream,
but
 it's a reader's nightmare. I still haven't read more than a few
paragraph's
 from it.
 
 Mike Wickham
 

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Framemaker Uses

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

For my company: Operations Manuals of all sorts, some forms, even the
odd report. More and more are
On the side: New Testament, Psalms and Proverbia (all structured).

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Deirdre Reagan  
wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, what kinds of documents are people producing in
>  Framemaker?
>
>  Our department produces aeronautial documents, such as Component
>  Maintenance Manuals, Aircraft Maintenance Manuals, Wiring Diagram
>  Manuals, and Illustrated Parts Catalogs.
>
>  Do people produce books and magazines with Framemaker?  Is Stephen
>  King writing his next masterpiece on Framemaker?  Does Anna Wintour
>  use Framemaker to kick the next issue of Vogue to the curb? Are there
>  websites that have been created in a Framemaker environment?
>
>  I'm curious to know how widely used this product is and for what 
> applications.
>
>  Thanks!
>
>  Deirdre
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Book file too big

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I often had this problem until I made sure (by automation) that the
dreaded FNTCACHE.DAT file was deleted every time I shut the computer
down. Since that I have not had this problem. So got to your
C:\WINDOWS\System32\, find the file, delete it and reboot. This is a
file that will be re-created on boot.
I recently wrote on the list a procedure to make Windows do this
automatically. It has worked fine so far.

Best regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:04 PM, HSC Italian  wrote:
>
>  Hi Rick,
>
>  That's good news that you don't think it's maxing out ... as I have 130 more 
> files to add to it :)
>
>  Here's the Distiller error:
>
>  %%[ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: pdfmark; ErrorInfo: _objdef 
> A290821.1 ]%%
>  Stack:
>  /ANN
>  /Custom
>  /Subtype
>  [0 0 0]
>  /Border
>  [4689 2286 7299 2086]
>  /Rect
>  {A290821.1}
>  /_objdef
>  -dict-
>
>  %%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%
>  %%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %%
>  Distill Time: 00 Hour(s) : 00 Minute(s) : 19.16 Second(s)
>   End of Job 
>
>  Thanks!
>
>  Heidi
>  > From: frameexpert at truevine.net> To: twins398 at hotmail.com; framers at 
> lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: Book file too big> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 
> 15:54:22 -0400> > Hi Heidi,> > I doubt if it is maxed out. What is the text 
> of the error you get in the > Distiller error log?> > Rick Quatro> Carmen 
> Publishing> 585-659-8267> www.frameexpert.com> > > Hello Framers,> > I have a 
> book that consist of close to 500 files. The total page count is > shy of 
> 900.> > The problem: I cannot print a .pdf. I've created mifs to correct the 
> issue > in a given file and it worked, but then a few files down it did it on 
> > another file. I mifed ALL the files, tried to print to PDF again and now it 
> > stopping on one particular page. I've mifed it, I've saved the content in a 
> > new file container, blah blah. It won't go budge!> > Is it possible this 
> book, with umpteen xrefs to other files in the book is > just maxed out?> > 
> Any insight is much appreciated!> > Heidi> 
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Adobe PS3 drivers

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Dov,

Thank you. Yes, this answers my question. I will forward this to the
Canon printers/photocopiers agent.

Also thanks to Mike Wickham. It is a Xerox Phaser 7300DT we are replacing.
Ricoh/Nashuatec/Gestetner/Rex Rotary/Infotec and some of Lanier are
all the same thing, all owned by Ricoh Group, IIRC.

Best regards,

Bodvar

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> Bodvar,
>
>  You are NOT being given very accurate information from your so-called
>  agent.
>
>  First of all, Adobe has not provided its own PostScript driver since
>  Windows NT 4 and Windows'98 days. Since then (i.e., for Windows 2000,
>  Windows XP, Windows 2003 Server, Windows Vista, and Windows 2008 Server),
>  the driver distributed by Microsoft with Windows, the PSCRIPT5.DLL driver,
>  is the driver that was developed by a collaboration of Adobe with Microsoft
>  and now maintained by Microsoft. Virtually all Adobe's OEMs package up
>  this driver along with some added-value "plug-ins" along their products.
>  (Providers of CloneScript devices often do likewise, although many of them
>  distribute a fairly unreliable PostScript driver sourced from other
>  companies - a separate discussion.)
>
>  There are a good number of printers available with Adobe PostScript 3. They
>  are available from Xerox, OKI, Ricoh, Xant?, Dell, Fuji Xerox, and others.
>  Some high end printer vendors sell their print engines with EFI RIPs or
>  Spire RIPs that all use Adobe PostScript 3.
>
>  The availability of these printers has nothing to do with drivers. A fully
>  functional PostScript driver is delivered by Microsoft with every copy of
>  Windows.
>
>  (Note that the "Adobe Universal PostScript Driver Installer" available on
>  Adobe's website has not been updated since the days of Windows 2000. For
>  Windows 2000 and later, all it does is use the system's own PostScript driver
>  and associates it with a user designated PPD file, similar to how the 
> built-in
>  Windows "Add Printer Wizard" works. This installer is a 16-bit installer and
>  does not work properly with Windows Vista nor with any 64-bit Windows 
> version.)
>
>  Does that answer your question?!?
>
> - Dov
>
>
>
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>  > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:33 AM
>  > To: Frame Users
>  > Subject: OT: Adobe PS3 drivers
>  >
>  > We are in the process of updating our PostScript color printer. Only a
>  > few seem to be offering true Adobe PS3 printers, but one of the agents
>  > (with a brand that seems to offer either one of true Adobe PS3 or a
>  > PS3 emulator) says that Adobe no longer provides drivers, only
>  > licenses for third parties to make those, resulting in diminishing
>  > offers of printers with the "Adobe PS3" logo.
>  >
>  > Can anyone on the list confirm this or explain this? (Dov? Shlomo?)
>  >
>  > Thank you,
>  >
>  > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>  > Air Atlanta Icelandic
>



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Framemaker Uses

[feimin_lore...@amis.com]

Hi Deirdre:

No one's mentioned this yet, so I'll add for all the single-sourcing 
people out there that FrameMaker is wonderful for writing things once and 
using it many times. Whether you're using conditional text and variables 
so that some stuff only shows up in certain flavours of manuals, or text 
insets so that a piece of text can be used by different manuals, or 
generating HTML and PDF from the same FrameMaker document, it's all called 
single-sourcing and it saves a lot of time and effort.

Then there's the whole structured and XML side of FrameMaker, which can 
also be a huge timesaver. In a nutshell, it automates a lot of the tedious 
formatting tasks for you. Round-tripping to XML also means that people who 
don't have FrameMaker can still work on the documents. Also, you can 
develop scripts to produce the XML that is subsequently opened in 
FrameMaker where the formatting is automatically applied.

All this intro is to say that I'm using FrameMaker on software manuals, 
but some of the contents are generated from programming code as XML files, 
and some of the Subject Matter Experts (SMEs) are working in XML. I'm 
producing HTML for Eclipse help and PDFs. We have eight product lines, so 
I'm re-using a lot of the material for two or more products, and I can 
manage all this as a lone writer working 3/4 time because of FrameMaker 
and its add-ons.

Fei Min



"Deirdre Reagan"  
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05/07/2008 12:06 PM

To
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Just out of curiosity, what kinds of documents are people producing in
Framemaker?

Our department produces aeronautial documents, such as Component
Maintenance Manuals, Aircraft Maintenance Manuals, Wiring Diagram
Manuals, and Illustrated Parts Catalogs.

Do people produce books and magazines with Framemaker?  Is Stephen
King writing his next masterpiece on Framemaker?  Does Anna Wintour
use Framemaker to kick the next issue of Vogue to the curb? Are there
websites that have been created in a Framemaker environment?

I'm curious to know how widely used this product is and for what 
applications.

Thanks!

Deirdre
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Trados support of FrameMaker 8

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

Finally the Trados support was willing to check my
argumentation. They found a Trados hotfix for apostrophes,
which fixes also my problem with the incorrect encoding
of umlauts.
http://talisma.sdl.com/display/2n/index.aspx?c==0.266601145267487
In the knowledge base search for these words:
apostrophes grave accent 1603

Thanks also to Diane Gaskill for her support.

Best regards

Winfried

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> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Reng, Dr. Winfried
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:22 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Trados support of FrameMaker 8
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I sent some files to our translation agency who is
> working with Trados, latest version with latest service
> pack (which supports FrameMaker 8). When I got the
> translated files back, I noticed that text which had a
> condition applied and which was hidden (so that it
> shouldn't get translated) was changed. All umlauts were
> deleted. After some e-mails to our translation agency
> (who forwarded them to their Trados support) and to the
> German FrameUser mailing list (thanks specifically to
> Michael M?ller-Hillebrand!) my point of view is the
> following:
> 
> o Text in MIF files of FrameMaker 8 in the string
>   statement must be encoded in Unicode (UTF-8).
>   This info is also in the MIF reference.
> 
> o Text in MIF files after export from Trados via the
>   S-Tagger is encoded in ANSI, at least text which has
>   a condition applied and is hidden.
> 
> I confirmed that by the following:
> 1 Changed the file name extension of the MIF file which
>   was created by FrameMaker and of the MIF which was created
>   by Trados to txt.
> 2 Opened that txt file with Word. Word shows a dialog box to
>   select the encoding. I selected Unicode (UTF-8).
> 3 When I searched for text with umlaut, the FrameMaker MIF
>   file had the correct umlauts. In the Trados MIF file they
>   were deleted. However, the umlauts in the Trados MIF file
>   are present, when I select Windows Standard (which is ANSI).
> 
> However, the Trados support still says that the umlauts were
> present after opening the Trados MIF files with NotePad++.
> Therefore the MIF file were OK and it were a FrameMaker fault.
> 
> Can anyone either confirm the Trados or my point of view?
> May text in MIF strings be encoded only in UTF-8 or also in
> ANSI?
> 
> Thanks a lot for your help
> 
> Winfried

Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?

[Studio Smalbro]

Would anybody possibly have a copy of Rick Quattros Framescript book for 
sale? It is out of print, and I can't find it on neither Ebay nor Amazon.

regards
Bj?rn Smalbro 

Book file too big

[dwyer...@verizon.net]

I had the same problem a couple of years ago... discovered through 
trial-and-error that I had a character format (to exclude text from 
spell check) applied to a veerrry long code text passage within a 
paragraph on the page on which the application always bailed out... I 
removed the character format from that text (and other long code text 
passages on the same page) and the PDF process proceeded as it should.

Good luck hunting for your fix...

Cheryl Dwyer

TOC problem with links

[Martinek, Carla]

Generating a book with about 15 source files.  There is one file that
will show up in the TOC with the correct headings, but the links are
broken.

Tried the following: 
- MIFfing the file
- making a new container file and pasting the contents there
- deleting the existing TOC and forcing FM to create a new one
- putting the trouble file in another location in the book

Any suggestions?

FM8 on a relatively new Windows machine with plenty of memory and disk
space (not my computer, don't know the specifics).

-Carla

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Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

You can buy PDF copies of it too ... might be the best way to go!

Z

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> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Studio Smalbro
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 6:27 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?
> 
> Would anybody possibly have a copy of Rick Quattros Framescript book for
> sale? It is out of print, and I can't find it on neither Ebay nor Amazon.
> 
> regards
> Bj?rn Smalbro

TOC problem with links

[Stephen O'Brien]

Does it contain text insets?

At 12:54 PM 08/05/2008, Martinek, Carla wrote:
>Generating a book with about 15 source files.  There is one file that
>will show up in the TOC with the correct headings, but the links are
>broken.
>
>Tried the following:
>- MIFfing the file
>- making a new container file and pasting the contents there
>- deleting the existing TOC and forcing FM to create a new one
>- putting the trouble file in another location in the book
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>FM8 on a relatively new Windows machine with plenty of memory and disk
>space (not my computer, don't know the specifics).
>
>-Carla
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TOC problem with links

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Carla

Which links are you referring to? ToC hyperlinks to chapters? Internal links 
within the chapter? Cross-refs inside the chapter? Etc.

Roger

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
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London, Ontario
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Tel. 519 963-4368
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: May 8, 2008 12:54 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TOC problem with links

Generating a book with about 15 source files.  There is one file that
will show up in the TOC with the correct headings, but the links are
broken.

Tried the following: 
- MIFfing the file
- making a new container file and pasting the contents there
- deleting the existing TOC and forcing FM to create a new one
- putting the trouble file in another location in the book

Any suggestions?

FM8 on a relatively new Windows machine with plenty of memory and disk
space (not my computer, don't know the specifics).

-Carla

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Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Okay, my apologies, folks ...

Based on an e-mail I received (for a source of the PDF version of Rick's book), 
I went looking and realized that my PDF copy is because I bought the book a 
while back from Scriptorium, and the PDF is on the CD that came with the book.

I also note that Scriptorium has it marked as "Out Of Print" too: 
http://store.scriptorium.com/items/books/framescript-a-crash-course-bk_fscript-detail.htm?1=1

Rick (since you are on this list), would you consider putting this version of 
the book (i.e., the PDF file) into the public domain for people to use, since 
your new book is in the works? Or, so you have another source for the book?

Z

> -Original Message-
> You can buy PDF copies of it too ... might be the best way to go!
> 
> Z
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> Of
> > Studio Smalbro
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 6:27 AM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?
> >
> > Would anybody possibly have a copy of Rick Quattros Framescript book for
> > sale? It is out of print, and I can't find it on neither Ebay nor Amazon.
> >
> > regards
> > Bj?rn Smalbro

Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?

[Art Campbell]

According to Rick's www site, you can buy it from Scriptorium publishing...
http://www.frameexpert.com/book.htm

Art

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Studio Smalbro  wrote:
> Would anybody possibly have a copy of Rick Quattros Framescript book for
>  sale? It is out of print, and I can't find it on neither Ebay nor Amazon.
>
>  regards
>  Bj?rn Smalbro
>
>  ___


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Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?

[Art Campbell]

I think rather than putting it into the public domain, perhaps an
on-demand publisher such as lulu.com may be a better solution, both
for Rick and the community

Art

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM,   wrote:
> Okay, my apologies, folks ...
>
>  Based on an e-mail I received (for a source of the PDF version of Rick's 
> book), I went looking and realized that my PDF copy is because I bought the 
> book a while back from Scriptorium, and the PDF is on the CD that came with 
> the book.
>
>  I also note that Scriptorium has it marked as "Out Of Print" too: 
> http://store.scriptorium.com/items/books/framescript-a-crash-course-bk_fscript-detail.htm?1=1
>
>  Rick (since you are on this list), would you consider putting this version 
> of the book (i.e., the PDF file) into the public domain for people to use, 
> since your new book is in the works? Or, so you have another source for the 
> book?
>
>  Z
>

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and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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TOC problem with links

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Carla

I presume you are referring to the hyperlinks that are created between the ToC 
and the chapter heading within Frame, rather than in a PDF.

If you have View, Text Symbols switched on, do you see a hypertext marker in 
this ToC heading, just as in the other headings?

In the book file, when you right-click the ToC and choose Set Up Table of 
Contents, is the Create Hypertext Links box checked?

Does the heading in the ToC (or in the chapter, for that matter) contain a 
character format that spans part of it? This would limit the hypertext link
to only a portion of the heading.

These are some of the things that occur to me right off...

Roger

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
www.tvworks.com

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: May 8, 2008 1:13 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOC problem with links

The links in the ToC itself to the chapter title and subheadings.  All
generated links in the ToC except for this one file work.

The file did contain text insets, but they were converted to normal
text, and the broken links still happened.

We also deleted the first xref marker in the file, on the heading, to
try and force new links to be created. Still broken.

-Carla

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Copy of Framescript by Rick Quattro for sale ?

[Rick Quatro]

I am working on an updated edition of the book, which will be released this 
summer. Thanks for your interest.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Okay, my apologies, folks ...

Based on an e-mail I received (for a source of the PDF version of Rick's 
book), I went looking and realized that my PDF copy is because I bought the 
book a while back from Scriptorium, and the PDF is on the CD that came with 
the book.

I also note that Scriptorium has it marked as "Out Of Print" too: 
http://store.scriptorium.com/items/books/framescript-a-crash-course-bk_fscript-detail.htm?1=1

Rick (since you are on this list), would you consider putting this version 
of the book (i.e., the PDF file) into the public domain for people to use, 
since your new book is in the works? Or, so you have another source for the 
book?

Z

unresolved cross references

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all!

FM 8.0, Windows XP environment.

How do I update cross-references that are in the master pages?  My
directions seem to be appropriate only for body page unresolved
cross-references.

Thanks!

Deirdre

Questions about look and feel.

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Hi, all.



This is perhaps a bit of a vague set of questions, but I am interested
in improving the look of our manuals and specifications documentation
and would like to see what others are doing in this regard.



1.  Specifically, I am working on various manuals for our software API's
as well as general technical specifications.



2.  These tend to be reasonably dry documents, where I have used
numbering for chapter and section titles so people can refer to them by
those numbers when talking internally here, as well as when we get
questions from our customers.



3.  The target audience for most of these documents are engineers
(software and hardware) and technical managers and the like. No consumer
docs, or marketing folks or web page formats, etc.



4.  At the present time, my chapter and title fonts are Arial (various
sizes depending on the section and subsection level) and my body font is
Palatino Linotype in 11 point.



5.  Pretty much in black text most everywhere, except where I use Red
italic font in a sidehead to make certain short one-to-two sentence
notes (also in italic, but in black) stand out right next to the
sidehead word. These are important notes to not overlook by the reader.



My goal is to improve legibility.



1.  Are there any sample documents (at any site) that people could point
me to as ones that they liked a lot for (a) legibility and (b)
readability for such documents?



2.  Do people think that a Sans Serif font improves legibility for body
text? I have seen some recent manual examples using "Calibri" in a 10
point size (that I wasn't sure that I particularly liked, but if it
makes things easier to read, then I'd be willing to try it).



3.  What about color? Like in Section and chapter titles?



4.  In many places in my manuals, I have numbers (usually enclosed in
quotes to designate strings) that I show in a fixed-width font (using
"Consulas" in 11 point), even when in paragraphs that have body text in
Palatino. I have experimented with making these a fairly Dark Blue
color, and also tried bold (in black), to make them stand out a bit
more. This seems to work reasonably well, but I am not sure that I want
to get too much color in these manuals and specifications just yet, so I
have not actually sent anything out yet!



Finally ...



1.  I am looking to see if I can find a few people to look at two PDF
extracts (less than 10 or 20 pages) from two of my
manuals/specifications to get some critiques along the above lines -
look and feel criticism only (the words and content are a different
thing entirely J!). Any volunteers who could take a bit of time for
this? Thanks in advance!



Regards,



Z

unresolved cross references part II

[Owen, Clint]

Deirdre,

That's about right. It's a pain in the neck, but you can't globally open
or search the master pages.

If all or some of your chapters use the same master pages and the same
cross-references (like to a part number on the title page), you can fix
one of them and then import the page layouts into all the others at the
same time.

Clint 


Clint Owen 
Technical Publications
Crane Aerospace & Electronics 
425-743-8674


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Reagan
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:28 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: unresolved cross references part II

Ok, this is what I've done -- opened up a chapter, opened the master
page, then run the Find/Change command, using Paste, and pasting in the
cross-reference.

It seems to be working.  Does that sound about right, or am I taking the
long route?
This way I have to open all the chapters by hand, change the view to
master page and run the Find/Change.  Seems a bit long, but ?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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unresolved cross references part II

[Deirdre Reagan]

Yes, some of the chapters do use the same master pages.  I will learn
how to do import next!

Thanks so much,

Deirdre

On 5/8/08, Owen, Clint  wrote:
> Deirdre,
>
> That's about right. It's a pain in the neck, but you can't globally open
> or search the master pages.
>
> If all or some of your chapters use the same master pages and the same
> cross-references (like to a part number on the title page), you can fix
> one of them and then import the page layouts into all the others at the
> same time.
>
> Clint
>
>
> Clint Owen
> Technical Publications
> Crane Aerospace & Electronics
> 425-743-8674
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
> Reagan
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:28 PM
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: unresolved cross references part II
>
> Ok, this is what I've done -- opened up a chapter, opened the master
> page, then run the Find/Change command, using Paste, and pasting in the
> cross-reference.
>
> It seems to be working.  Does that sound about right, or am I taking the
> long route?
> This way I have to open all the chapters by hand, change the view to
> master page and run the Find/Change.  Seems a bit long, but ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deirdre
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unresolved cross references part II

[Combs, Richard]

Deirdre Reagan wrote:

> Yes, some of the chapters do use the same master pages.  I will learn
> how to do import next!

Yes, learn about importing formats -- and quickly! :-) To get the most
out of FrameMaker -- both in terms of good results and in terms of
labor-saving and efficiency -- you have to use it properly, and that
means using well-defined, consistent templates/formats for everything.
Everything! 

With rare exceptions, _all_ the chapter files should use the same master
pages. Non-chapter files (like front-matter, TOC, index, etc.) may need
their own special master pages, but the "body" of the book should have
the same page layouts throughout. Generally, that means 3 basic master
pages -- Left, Right, and First. You may need more for special purposes
(like rotated landscape pages), but it's best to keep things as simple
as possible. 

The chapter files should also all use the same paragraph, character,
table, and cross-reference formats. The only reasonable way make
everything consistent is by importing formats from the chapter in which
they're _right_ (which becomes your template) to all the other chapter
files. 

If you don't consistently apply the same formats across chapters, you
might as well use Word. :-}

That said, I agree with Fred Ridder. Avoid using x-refs on master pages.
Use variables for things like doc titles, company names, product names,
and release numbers -- not x-refs to typed-in instances of them. That's
what variables are for. 

HTH!

Richard


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Questions about look and feel.

[Mike Wickham]

> 2.  Do people think that a Sans Serif font improves legibility for body
> text?

Using a sans serif font for body text greatly reduces reader comprehension. 
Obtain a copy of Colin Wheildon's _Type and Layout: Are You Communicating or 
Just Making Pretty Shapes?_ The book contains actual studies showing the 
effects on readability and comprehension of serif vs. sans serif fonts, 
color type, bold and italic type, justified paragraphs, etc. It's a 
fantastic book:

http://www.amazon.com/Type-Layout-Communicating-Making-Pretty/dp/1875750223

Book designers really need to pay attention to these kinds of things. I'm 
seeing more and more books with sans serif body type that might be good for 
a Web page, but not for a book. Recently, I ordered a book that was on a 
unique topic in my field. I awaited it excitedly. At first glance upon 
arrival, it struck me how pretty the book was, which excited me more. Then I 
tried to read it. I couldn't! My eyes just could not stay trained on the 
lines for long.

The book broke every rule. It had tiny type, sans serif body text, headings 
with no capitalization, headings in every color of the rainbow, including 
some that were yellow and nearly invisible on the pages. All recto pages 
have color backgrounds. Do you know how hard it is to read tiny, thin, black 
type on a blue page? Anyway, the book was clearly a designer's dream, but 
it's a reader's nightmare. I still haven't read more than a few paragraph's 
from it.

Mike Wickham

Questions about look and feel.

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Thanks for the comments and the book reference, Mike! I will get a copy
...

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Wickham [mailto:mewickham at compuserve.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:10 PM
> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net);
framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Questions about look and feel.
> 
> > 2.  Do people think that a Sans Serif font improves legibility for
body
> > text?
> 
> Using a sans serif font for body text greatly reduces reader
comprehension.
> Obtain a copy of Colin Wheildon's _Type and Layout: Are You
Communicating or
> Just Making Pretty Shapes?_ The book contains actual studies showing
the
> effects on readability and comprehension of serif vs. sans serif
fonts,
> color type, bold and italic type, justified paragraphs, etc. It's a
> fantastic book:
> 
>
http://www.amazon.com/Type-Layout-Communicating-Making-Pretty/dp/1875750
223
> 
> Book designers really need to pay attention to these kinds of things.
I'm
> seeing more and more books with sans serif body type that might be
good for
> a Web page, but not for a book. Recently, I ordered a book that was on
a
> unique topic in my field. I awaited it excitedly. At first glance upon
> arrival, it struck me how pretty the book was, which excited me more.
Then I
> tried to read it. I couldn't! My eyes just could not stay trained on
the
> lines for long.
> 
> The book broke every rule. It had tiny type, sans serif body text,
headings
> with no capitalization, headings in every color of the rainbow,
including
> some that were yellow and nearly invisible on the pages. All recto
pages
> have color backgrounds. Do you know how hard it is to read tiny, thin,
black
> type on a blue page? Anyway, the book was clearly a designer's dream,
but
> it's a reader's nightmare. I still haven't read more than a few
paragraph's
> from it.
> 
> Mike Wickham
> 

Display of pages

[Chinell, David F (GE EntSol, Security)]

Hi:

I posted awhile ago asking about the learning curve for FrameMaker. I'm
starting to train myself with O'Keefe's book and Classroom in a Book.

But one thing about the page display in FrameMaker's workspace really
distracts me -- it's the way the left and bottom edges of the page seem
to run into the ruler area without demarcation. I'm just used to seeing
a little gray between the edge of the page and the window features.

Is there any way to establish that?

Bear