re: sorting lists

[Shlomo Perets]

When sorting tables, take into account that cross-reference markers in the 
table are deleted (bug), and therefore cross-references to paragraphs in 
the table become unresolved. This applies to all versions of FrameMaker.

[ A limited workaround is to change the marker type of all cross-reference 
markers (in tables or throughout), leaving the marker text unchanged (for 
example, change the marker type to a custom type). After the table is 
sorted, the change the marker type back to Cross-reference. This can be 
automated with FrameScript, or by processing MIF files. ]


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training  consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers/Assistants

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Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Art Campbell]

OK,
It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
without opening any unnecessary applications?

***
What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

Art

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
 printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
 crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
 file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
 first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body format).
 There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
 chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot of
 graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

 I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
 new file, but the result is always the same.

 I am on a tight schedule with this.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks beforehand,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Air Atlanta Icelandic

 --
 It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

-- 
Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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Re: Save As PDF problem

[Art Campbell]

Can you print to the Adobe logical printer to create a PDF?
Art

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Chuck Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I stumped with senior moment saving FM 8.0p277 doc to PDF with
 Acrobat Pro 8.1.2.
 FM is on F drive and Acrobat is on C drive.
 Message says, To execute 'Save As PDF' command you must have Acrobat
 Distiller 5.05 or higher installed.
 Would appreciate some assistance.

 Thanks,
 Chuck

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Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks Art,

I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
file, so no problem there.
About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed
a book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed
one offending graphic.

Bodvar


On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK,
 It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
 Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
 without opening any unnecessary applications?

 ***
 What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
 doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
 printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
 crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
 file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
 first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body format).
 There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
 chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot of
 graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

 I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
 new file, but the result is always the same.

 I am on a tight schedule with this.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks beforehand,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Air Atlanta Icelandic

 --
 It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

 --
 Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358




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It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.
 -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
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RE: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

Bodvar,
Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
distills successfully?
I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.

Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

Thanks Art,

I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
file, so no problem there.
About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
offending graphic.

Bodvar


On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 OK,
 It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
 Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the 
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling 
 without opening any unnecessary applications?

 ***
 What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you 
 doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when

 printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always 
 crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps 
 file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the

 first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
format).
 There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the 
 chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot 
 of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

 I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a 
 new file, but the result is always the same.

 I am on a tight schedule with this.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks beforehand,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Air Atlanta Icelandic

 --
 It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
ingenious.
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

 --
 Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358




-- 
It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
ingenious.
 -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
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Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Art Campbell]

It may also be worth trying to saveimport the Illustrator EPS as an
AI or PDF...

Art

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Bodvar,
 Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
 distills successfully?
 I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
 it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.

 Berny Gagne
 Lead Writer
 Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
 Bolton, Ontario, Canada


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bodvar
 Bjorgvinsson
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
 To: Frame Users
 Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

 Thanks Art,

 I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
 file, so no problem there.
 About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
 running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
 applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
 book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
 offending graphic.

 Bodvar


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 OK,
 It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
 Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
 without opening any unnecessary applications?

 ***
 What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
 doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when

 printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
 crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
 file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the

 first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
 format).
 There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
 chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
 of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

 I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
 new file, but the result is always the same.

 I am on a tight schedule with this.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks beforehand,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Air Atlanta Icelandic

 --
 It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
 ingenious.
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

 --
 Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358




 --
 It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
 ingenious.
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
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RE: Printing Error with FM

[Dov Isaacs]

.EPS files are Encapsulated PostScript containing a low resolution
TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
Illustrator, certain private data is stored in comments in the
PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly reopen and edit
the EPS files saved from Illustrator.

If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
of your problems!

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:14 AM

 I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
 printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
 to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document.

 From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
 making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
 get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
 printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients.

 Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
 I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
 and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
 I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
 give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
 using in my FrameMaker documents?

 Tim Lewis
 Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  -Original Message-
  From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
  To: Tim Lewis; framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
 
  What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
  referencing
  in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
  are in
  effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
  about
  the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
  inside
  a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
  importing;
  that's what really happens.
 
  Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
  with
  PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
  directly
  from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
  course,
  if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
  solution
  in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
  found,
  Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
  level 2
  constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
 
  Here are your alternatives:
 
  (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
  Reader
  instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
  something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
  to
  see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
  wasted printing).
 
  (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
  import
  those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
  gradients,
  but otherwise you should be OK.
 
  (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
  PDF
  to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
  that
  to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
  thought
  that the default for that was 2, not 3!)
 
  (4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer
  you
  currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!
 
  Personally, I'd go with solution (1).
 
  - Dov
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Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

No, I had not tried that yet.
One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.

Thanks,

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Bodvar,
 Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
 distills successfully?
 I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
 it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.

 Berny Gagne
 Lead Writer
 Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
 Bolton, Ontario, Canada


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bodvar
 Bjorgvinsson
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
 To: Frame Users
 Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

 Thanks Art,

 I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
 file, so no problem there.
 About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
 running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
 applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
 book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
 offending graphic.

 Bodvar


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 OK,
 It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
 Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
 without opening any unnecessary applications?

 ***
 What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
 doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when

 printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
 crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
 file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the

 first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
 format).
 There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
 chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
 of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

 I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
 new file, but the result is always the same.

 I am on a tight schedule with this.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks beforehand,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Air Atlanta Icelandic

 --
 It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
 ingenious.
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

 --
 Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358




 --
 It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
 ingenious.
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Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I tried this now and same results.

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No, I had not tried that yet.
 One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
 open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.

 Thanks,

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 Bodvar,
 Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
 distills successfully?
 I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
 it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.

 Berny Gagne
 Lead Writer
 Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
 Bolton, Ontario, Canada


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bodvar
 Bjorgvinsson
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
 To: Frame Users
 Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

 Thanks Art,

 I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
 file, so no problem there.
 About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
 running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
 applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
 book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
 offending graphic.

 Bodvar


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 OK,
 It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
 Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
 without opening any unnecessary applications?

 ***
 What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
 doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when

 printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
 crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
 file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the

 first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
 format).
 There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
 chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
 of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

 I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
 new file, but the result is always the same.

 I am on a tight schedule with this.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks beforehand,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Air Atlanta Icelandic

 --
 It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
 ingenious.
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

 --
 Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358




 --
 It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
 ingenious.
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
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Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Art Campbell]

Can you print Chapter 4 to PDF by itself?

Art

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I tried this now and same results.

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No, I had not tried that yet.
 One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
 open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.

 Thanks,

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 Bodvar,
 Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
 distills successfully?
 I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
 it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.

 Berny Gagne
 Lead Writer
 Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
 Bolton, Ontario, Canada


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bodvar
 Bjorgvinsson
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
 To: Frame Users
 Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

 Thanks Art,

 I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
 file, so no problem there.
 About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
 running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
 applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
 book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
 offending graphic.

 Bodvar


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 OK,
 It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
 Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
 without opening any unnecessary applications?

 ***
 What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
 doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when

 printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
 crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
 file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the

 first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
 format).
 There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
 chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
 of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

 I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
 new file, but the result is always the same.

 I am on a tight schedule with this.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks beforehand,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Air Atlanta Icelandic

 --
 It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
 ingenious.
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

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Hi all!

I'm running Framemaker 8.0 on an XP PC.

In our document, we have an illustration of an assembly, then a list
of the parts that make up that assembly.  If we have three
illustrations, then we have three parts lists.

We also want a master list of all the parts lists.  Currently, we take
the three parts lists, transfer them to Excel, combine them and sort
them in Excel, then bring them back to Framemaker.

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Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Yes

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can you print Chapter 4 to PDF by itself?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 I tried this now and same results.

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 No, I had not tried that yet.
 One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
 open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.

 Thanks,

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 Bodvar,
 Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
 distills successfully?
 I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
 it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.

 Berny Gagne
 Lead Writer
 Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
 Bolton, Ontario, Canada


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bodvar
 Bjorgvinsson
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
 To: Frame Users
 Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

 Thanks Art,

 I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
 file, so no problem there.
 About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
 running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
 applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
 book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
 offending graphic.

 Bodvar


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 OK,
 It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
 Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
 without opening any unnecessary applications?

 ***
 What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
 doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when

 printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
 crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
 file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the

 first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
 format).
 There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
 chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
 of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

 I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
 new file, but the result is always the same.

 I am on a tight schedule with this.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks beforehand,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Air Atlanta Icelandic

 --
 It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
 ingenious.
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

 --
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Re: Printing Error with FM

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Dov,

This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
(see message thread FM Crash chapter 4 page 5)?

Regards,

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 .EPS files are Encapsulated PostScript containing a low resolution
 TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
 Illustrator, certain private data is stored in comments in the
 PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly reopen and edit
 the EPS files saved from Illustrator.

 If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
 check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
 as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
 of your problems!

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:14 AM

 I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
 printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
 to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document.

 From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
 making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
 get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
 printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients.

 Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
 I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
 and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
 I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
 give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
 using in my FrameMaker documents?

 Tim Lewis
 Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  -Original Message-
  From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
  To: Tim Lewis; framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
 
  What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
  referencing
  in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
  are in
  effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
  about
  the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
  inside
  a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
  importing;
  that's what really happens.
 
  Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
  with
  PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
  directly
  from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
  course,
  if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
  solution
  in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
  found,
  Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
  level 2
  constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
 
  Here are your alternatives:
 
  (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
  Reader
  instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
  something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
  to
  see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
  wasted printing).
 
  (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
  import
  those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
  gradients,
  but otherwise you should be OK.
 
  (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
  PDF
  to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
  that
  to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
  thought
  that the default for that was 2, not 3!)
 
  (4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer
  you
  currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!
 
  Personally, I'd go with solution (1).
 
  - Dov
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Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Flato, Gillian]

I have found that if I have a Frame file that contains a very long name,
or if it is buried deep in a network path (folder within a folder within
a folder etc.) that I can't build a PDF. I get a message that Distiller
can't open the *.tps file. If I move the Frame file to my C: drive and
shorten the name, then I can build a PDF. Does anyone know the path
limitations of Acrobat?
 

Thank you,

 

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Technical Writer (Software)

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Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Art,

I am utterly flabbergasted! This worked. Thanks.

In the early times of FM7.2 and/or Acrobat6 or 7 (IIRC), crashes were
bound to happen if the Generate Tagged PDF was not set.
And now Dov tells us that another must has to be the other way
around. I am referring to the language level setting in EPS made from
AI.

This is a weird day.
I hope this will stick for some time. I would hate to wake up
tomorrow, finding out that the things that worked today will not or
that there is something else that I have been doing right for years
must be done the other way around. :-(

It is time for my tea as the Englishmen say, so I am going home now.

Thanks to everyone that helped -- or tried to.

One final word to Adobe: Please make effort to make FM stable in
handling all sorts of situation. I am really getting tired of the all
to frequent surprises.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Air Atlanta Icelandic

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Try toggling the Generate Tagged PDF setting for the book
 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can you print Chapter 4 to PDF by itself?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 I tried this now and same results.

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 No, I had not tried that yet.
 One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
 open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.

 Thanks,

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bodvar,
 Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
 distills successfully?
 I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
 it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.

 Berny Gagne
 Lead Writer
 Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
 Bolton, Ontario, Canada


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bodvar
 Bjorgvinsson
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
 To: Frame Users
 Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

 Thanks Art,

 I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
 file, so no problem there.
 About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
 running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
 applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
 book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
 offending graphic.

 Bodvar


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 OK,
 It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
 Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
 without opening any unnecessary applications?

 ***
 What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
 doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when

 printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
 crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
 file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the

 first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
 format).
 There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
 chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
 of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

 I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
 new file, but the result is always the same.

 I am on a tight schedule with this.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks beforehand,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Air Atlanta Icelandic

 --
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 ingenious.
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

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RE: Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Stamm, David-P45904]

2008-06-04-03T19:25Z

I'm not so sure it's a problem with Acrobat.  I think it might be with
FrameMaker.  Or, more-precisely, with the name of the .fm file.

I remember learning (from Shlomo Perets, I think) that sometimes,
FrameMaker fails - without complaint - to produce a satisfactory .ps
file.

I've encountered this problem a few times.  After trying every other
solution, I shortened the name of the .fm file to not more than
_eight_letters_.  Then, FrameMaker was happy and performed as otherwise
expected.

I seem to recall that the problem occurs extremely-infrequently and
stems from the deepest, oldest, UNIX code in FrameMaker.

Shlomo and Dov, can you confirm or refute?  If so, please do.

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I have found that if I have a Frame file that contains a very long name,
or if it is buried deep in a network path (folder within a folder within
a folder etc.) that I can't build a PDF. I get a message that Distiller
can't open the *.tps file. If I move the Frame file to my C: drive and
shorten the name, then I can build a PDF. Does anyone know the path
limitations of Acrobat?
 

Thank you,

 

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RE: Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Fred Ridder]

Dave Stamm wrote (in part):
 
 I'm not so sure it's a problem with Acrobat. I think it might be with
 FrameMaker. Or, more-precisely, with the name of the .fm file.
 I've encountered this problem a few times. After trying every other
 solution, I shortened the name of the .fm file to not more than
 _eight_letters_. Then, FrameMaker was happy and performed as otherwise
 expected.
 
I've used lots of filenames longer than eight characters, but I do recall 
encountering problems when other writers have included spaces in their 
filenames or have paths that include directories with spaces in their 
names. Windows uses a kludge to allow users to include spaces and
it can definitely bite you in the backside when using apps that exist on
multiple platforms. Spaces are evil.
 
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RE: Printing Error with FM

[Dov Isaacs]

Bodvar,

You must read my response in CONTEXT to the thread. The OP wanted
a solution to printing directly from FrameMaker to a PostScript
language level 2 printer. In that case, EPS must be no more than
language level 2. That being said, my original response recommended
as the best solution to simply create PDF and print from Reader or
Acrobat. With that solution PostScript language level 3 EPS is no
longer a problem and should be what you import into FrameMaker
documents.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:16 AM
 To: Dov Isaacs
 Cc: Tim Lewis; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM

 Hi Dov,

 This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
 EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
 Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
 (see message thread FM Crash chapter 4 page 5)?

 Regards,

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .EPS files are Encapsulated PostScript containing a low resolution
  TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
  Illustrator, certain private data is stored in comments in the
  PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly reopen and edit
  the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
 
  If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
  check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
  as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
  of your problems!
 
 - Dov
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Re: Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Art Campbell]

In addition to never using spaces... I'm remembering that it isn't the
file name itself, but the total number of characters in the path
that's the problem. I'm thinking that the limitation was 256
characters total, but that could just be the number that's popping out
of the grey cells today

Art


On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dave Stamm wrote (in part):

 I'm not so sure it's a problem with Acrobat. I think it might be with
 FrameMaker. Or, more-precisely, with the name of the .fm file.
 I've encountered this problem a few times. After trying every other
 solution, I shortened the name of the .fm file to not more than
 _eight_letters_. Then, FrameMaker was happy and performed as otherwise
 expected.

 I've used lots of filenames longer than eight characters, but I do recall
 encountering problems when other writers have included spaces in their
 filenames or have paths that include directories with spaces in their
 names. Windows uses a kludge to allow users to include spaces and
 it can definitely bite you in the backside when using apps that exist on
 multiple platforms. Spaces are evil.

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Re: Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Stuart Rogers]

Flato, Gillian wrote:
 I have found that if I have a Frame file that contains a very long name,
 or if it is buried deep in a network path (folder within a folder within
 a folder etc.) that I can't build a PDF. I get a message that Distiller
 can't open the *.tps file. If I move the Frame file to my C: drive and
 shorten the name, then I can build a PDF. Does anyone know the path
 limitations of Acrobat?
  
 


 From Microsoft ( http://tinyurl.com/5cwk6t )

Maximum Path Length

In the Windows API (with some exceptions discussed in the following 
paragraphs), the maximum length for a path is MAX_PATH, which is defined 
as 260 characters. A local path is structured in the following order: 
drive letter, colon, backslash, components separated by backslashes, and 
a terminating null character. For example, the maximum path on drive D 
is D:\some 256 character path stringNUL where NUL represents 
the invisible terminating null character for the current system 
codepage. (The characters   are used here for visual clarity and 
cannot be part of a valid path string.)

Note  File I/O functions in the Windows API convert / to \ as part 
of converting the name to an NT-style name, except when using the \\?\ 
prefix as detailed in the following sections.

The Windows API has many functions that also have Unicode versions to 
permit an extended-length path for a maximum total path length of 
approximately 32,000 characters. This type of path is composed of 
components separated by backslashes, each up to 255 characters in 
length. To specify an extended-length path, use the \\?\ prefix. For 
example, \\?\D:\very long path. (The characters   are used here 
for visual clarity and cannot be part of a valid path string.)


HTH,

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Passengers open up these canvas deck chairs so they can sit in the sun. 
Some people place their chairs facing the rear of the ship so they can 
see where they've been. Other people face their chairs forward -- they 
want to see where they're going. On the cruise ship of life, which way 
is your deck chair facing?

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Re: Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Mike Wickham]

Check File Preferences General Cross Platform File Naming. That setting 
can affect how many characters are allowed in the filename, as well as 
disallow certain characters in the filename because they are illegal 
characters in the chosen OS.

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sorting lists

[Shlomo Perets]

When sorting tables, take into account that cross-reference markers in the 
table are deleted (bug), and therefore cross-references to paragraphs in 
the table become unresolved. This applies to all versions of FrameMaker.

[ A limited workaround is to change the marker type of all cross-reference 
markers (in tables or throughout), leaving the marker text unchanged (for 
example, change the marker type to a custom type). After the table is 
sorted, the change the marker type back to Cross-reference. This can be 
automated with FrameScript, or by processing MIF files. ]


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FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body format).
There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot of
graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
new file, but the result is always the same.

I am on a tight schedule with this.

Any suggestions?

Thanks beforehand,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Air Atlanta Icelandic

-- 
"It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
 -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Art Campbell]

OK,
It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
without opening any unnecessary applications?

***
What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

Art

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
> This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
> printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
> crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
> file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
> first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body format).
> There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
> chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot of
> graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.
>
> I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
> new file, but the result is always the same.
>
> I am on a tight schedule with this.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks beforehand,
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Air Atlanta Icelandic
>
> --
> "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Save As PDF problem

[Art Campbell]

Can you print to the Adobe logical printer to create a PDF?
Art

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Chuck Heinrichs  
wrote:
> I stumped with senior moment saving FM 8.0p277 doc to PDF with
> Acrobat Pro 8.1.2.
> FM is on F drive and Acrobat is on C drive.
> Message says, "To execute 'Save As PDF' command you must have Acrobat
> Distiller 5.05 or higher installed."
> Would appreciate some assistance.
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck
>
-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks Art,

I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
file, so no problem there.
About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed
a book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed
one offending graphic.

Bodvar


On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> OK,
> It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
> Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
> C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
> without opening any unnecessary applications?
>
> ***
> What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
> doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?
>
> Art
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  
> wrote:
>> This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
>> printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
>> crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
>> file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
>> first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body format).
>> There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
>> chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot of
>> graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.
>>
>> I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
>> new file, but the result is always the same.
>>
>> I am on a tight schedule with this.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks beforehand,
>>
>> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>> Air Atlanta Icelandic
>>
>> --
>> "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
>>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
>
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358
>



-- 
"It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious."
 -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

Bodvar,
Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
distills successfully?
I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.

Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

Thanks Art,

I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
file, so no problem there.
About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
offending graphic.

Bodvar


On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell 
wrote:
> OK,
> It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
> Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the 
> C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling 
> without opening any unnecessary applications?
>
> ***
> What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you 
> doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?
>
> Art
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
wrote:
>> This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when

>> printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always 
>> crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps 
>> file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the

>> first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
format).
>> There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the 
>> chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot 
>> of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.
>>
>> I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a 
>> new file, but the result is always the same.
>>
>> I am on a tight schedule with this.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks beforehand,
>>
>> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>> Air Atlanta Icelandic
>>
>> --
>> "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
ingenious."
>>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
>
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358
>



-- 
"It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
ingenious."
 -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Art Campbell]

It may also be worth trying to save the Illustrator EPS as an
AI or PDF...

Art

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)  
wrote:
> Bodvar,
> Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
> distills successfully?
> I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
> it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.
>
> Berny Gagne
> Lead Writer
> Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
> Bolton, Ontario, Canada
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
> Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5
>
> Thanks Art,
>
> I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
> file, so no problem there.
> About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
> running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
> applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
> book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
> offending graphic.
>
> Bodvar
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell 
> wrote:
>> OK,
>> It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
>> Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
>> C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
>> without opening any unnecessary applications?
>>
>> ***
>> What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
>> doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?
>>
>> Art
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
> wrote:
>>> This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
>
>>> printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
>>> crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
>>> file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
>
>>> first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
> format).
>>> There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
>>> chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
>>> of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.
>>>
>>> I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
>>> new file, but the result is always the same.
>>>
>>> I am on a tight schedule with this.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks beforehand,
>>>
>>> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>>> Air Atlanta Icelandic
>>>
>>> --
>>> "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
> ingenious."
>>>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
>>
>> --
>> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>
>> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
>>  DoD 358
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
> ingenious."
>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
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 No disclaimers apply.
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Printing Error with FM

[Dov Isaacs]

.EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and "edit"
the EPS files saved from Illustrator.

If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
of your problems!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Lewis [mailto:ltc.writer at comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:14 AM
>
> I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
> printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
> to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document.
>
> From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
> making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
> get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
> printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients.
>
> Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
> I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
> and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
> I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
> give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
> using in my FrameMaker documents?
>
> Tim Lewis
> Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
> ltc.writer at comcast.net
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isaacs at adobe.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
> > To: Tim Lewis; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
> >
> > What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
> > referencing
> > in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
> > are in
> > effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
> > about
> > the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
> > inside
> > a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
> > importing;
> > that's what really happens.
> >
> > Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
> > with
> > PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
> > directly
> > from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
> > course,
> > if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
> > solution
> > in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
> > found,
> > Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
> > level 2
> > constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
> >
> > Here are your alternatives:
> >
> > (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
> > Reader
> > instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
> > something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
> > to
> > see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
> > wasted printing).
> >
> > (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
> > import
> > those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
> > gradients,
> > but otherwise you should be OK.
> >
> > (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
> > PDF
> > to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
> > that
> > to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
> > thought
> > that the default for that was 2, not 3!)
> >
> > (4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer
> > you
> > currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!
> >
> > Personally, I'd go with solution (1).
> >
> > - Dov
> 
>

FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

No, I had not tried that yet.
One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.

Thanks,

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)  
wrote:
> Bodvar,
> Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
> distills successfully?
> I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
> it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.
>
> Berny Gagne
> Lead Writer
> Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
> Bolton, Ontario, Canada
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
> Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5
>
> Thanks Art,
>
> I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
> file, so no problem there.
> About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
> running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
> applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
> book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
> offending graphic.
>
> Bodvar
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell 
> wrote:
>> OK,
>> It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
>> Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
>> C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
>> without opening any unnecessary applications?
>>
>> ***
>> What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
>> doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?
>>
>> Art
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
> wrote:
>>> This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
>
>>> printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
>>> crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
>>> file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
>
>>> first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
> format).
>>> There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
>>> chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
>>> of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.
>>>
>>> I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
>>> new file, but the result is always the same.
>>>
>>> I am on a tight schedule with this.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks beforehand,
>>>
>>> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>>> Air Atlanta Icelandic
>>>
>>> --
>>> "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
> ingenious."
>>>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
>>
>> --
>> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>
>> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
>>  DoD 358
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
> ingenious."
>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
> ___
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FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I tried this now and same results.

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
> No, I had not tried that yet.
> One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
> open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bodvar
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)  
> wrote:
>> Bodvar,
>> Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
>> distills successfully?
>> I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
>> it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.
>>
>> Berny Gagne
>> Lead Writer
>> Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
>> Bolton, Ontario, Canada
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
>> Bjorgvinsson
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
>> To: Frame Users
>> Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5
>>
>> Thanks Art,
>>
>> I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
>> file, so no problem there.
>> About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
>> running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
>> applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
>> book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
>> offending graphic.
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell 
>> wrote:
>>> OK,
>>> It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
>>> Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
>>> C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
>>> without opening any unnecessary applications?
>>>
>>> ***
>>> What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
>>> doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?
>>>
>>> Art
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
>> wrote:
 This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
>>
 printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
 crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
 file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
>>
 first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
>> format).
 There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
 chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
 of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

 I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
 new file, but the result is always the same.

 I am on a tight schedule with this.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks beforehand,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Air Atlanta Icelandic

 --
 "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
>> ingenious."
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>>
>>> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
>>>  DoD 358
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
>> ingenious."
>>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
>> ___
>>
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 -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Art Campbell]

Can you print Chapter 4 to PDF by itself?

Art

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  
wrote:
> I tried this now and same results.
>
> Bodvar
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  
> wrote:
>> No, I had not tried that yet.
>> One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
>> open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)  
>> wrote:
>>> Bodvar,
>>> Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
>>> distills successfully?
>>> I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
>>> it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.
>>>
>>> Berny Gagne
>>> Lead Writer
>>> Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
>>> Bolton, Ontario, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
>>> Bjorgvinsson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
>>> To: Frame Users
>>> Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5
>>>
>>> Thanks Art,
>>>
>>> I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
>>> file, so no problem there.
>>> About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
>>> running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
>>> applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
>>> book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
>>> offending graphic.
>>>
>>> Bodvar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell 
>>> wrote:
 OK,
 It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
 Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
 without opening any unnecessary applications?

 ***
 What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
 doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
>>> wrote:
> This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
>>>
> printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
> crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
> file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
>>>
> first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
>>> format).
> There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
> chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
> of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.
>
> I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
> new file, but the result is always the same.
>
> I am on a tight schedule with this.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks beforehand,
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Air Atlanta Icelandic
>
> --
> "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
>>> ingenious."
>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

 --
 Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>>>
 and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
>>> ingenious."
>>>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
>>> ___
>>>
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>>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
>>
>
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>
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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Framers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 4

[Steven Miller]

If you use a unique paragraph tag for the lists, you can generate an APL
(alphabetical list of paragraphs) as a separate file

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From: "Deirdre Reagan" 
Subject: sorting lists
To: "Frame Users" 
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi all!

I'm running Framemaker 8.0 on an XP PC.

In our document, we have an illustration of an assembly, then a list
of the parts that make up that assembly.  If we have three
illustrations, then we have three parts lists.

We also want a master list of all the parts lists.  Currently, we take
the three parts lists, transfer them to Excel, combine them and sort
them in Excel, then bring them back to Framemaker.

Is there some way to do this work in Framemaker?

Thanks!

Deirdre

FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Yes

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Can you print Chapter 4 to PDF by itself?
>
> Art
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  
> wrote:
>> I tried this now and same results.
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  
>> wrote:
>>> No, I had not tried that yet.
>>> One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
>>> open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Bodvar
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) >> husky.ca> wrote:
 Bodvar,
 Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
 distills successfully?
 I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
 it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.

 Berny Gagne
 Lead Writer
 Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
 Bolton, Ontario, Canada


 -Original Message-
 From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
 Bjorgvinsson
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
 To: Frame Users
 Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

 Thanks Art,

 I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
 file, so no problem there.
 About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
 running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
 applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
 book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
 offending graphic.

 Bodvar


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell 
 wrote:
> OK,
> It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
> Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
> C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
> without opening any unnecessary applications?
>
> ***
> What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
> doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?
>
> Art
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
 wrote:
>> This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when

>> printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
>> crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
>> file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the

>> first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
 format).
>> There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
>> chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
>> of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.
>>
>> I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
>> new file, but the result is always the same.
>>
>> I am on a tight schedule with this.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks beforehand,
>>
>> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>> Air Atlanta Icelandic
>>
>> --
>> "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
 ingenious."
>>  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
>
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358
>



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Printing Error with FM

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Dov,

This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
(see message thread "FM Crash chapter 4 page 5")?

Regards,

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
> TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
> Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
> PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and "edit"
> the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
>
> If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
> check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
> as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
> of your problems!
>
>- Dov
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tim Lewis [mailto:ltc.writer at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:14 AM
>>
>> I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
>> printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
>> to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document.
>>
>> From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
>> making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
>> get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
>> printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients.
>>
>> Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
>> I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
>> and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
>> I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
>> give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
>> using in my FrameMaker documents?
>>
>> Tim Lewis
>> Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
>> ltc.writer at comcast.net
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isaacs at adobe.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
>> > To: Tim Lewis; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> > Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
>> >
>> > What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
>> > referencing
>> > in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
>> > are in
>> > effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
>> > about
>> > the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
>> > inside
>> > a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
>> > importing;
>> > that's what really happens.
>> >
>> > Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
>> > with
>> > PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
>> > directly
>> > from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
>> > course,
>> > if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
>> > solution
>> > in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
>> > found,
>> > Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
>> > level 2
>> > constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
>> >
>> > Here are your alternatives:
>> >
>> > (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
>> > Reader
>> > instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
>> > something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
>> > to
>> > see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
>> > wasted printing).
>> >
>> > (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
>> > import
>> > those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
>> > gradients,
>> > but otherwise you should be OK.
>> >
>> > (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
>> > PDF
>> > to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
>> > that
>> > to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
>> > thought
>> > that the default for that was 2, not 3!)
>> >
>> > (4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer
>> > you
>> > currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!
>> >
>> > Personally, I'd go with solution (1).
>> >
>> > - Dov
>> 
>>
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Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Flato, Gillian]

I have found that if I have a Frame file that contains a very long name,
or if it is buried deep in a network path (folder within a folder within
a folder etc.) that I can't build a PDF. I get a message that Distiller
can't open the *.tps file. If I move the Frame file to my C: drive and
shorten the name, then I can build a PDF. Does anyone know the path
limitations of Acrobat?


Thank you,



 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

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Milpitas, CA. 95035

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FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Art,

I am utterly flabbergasted! This worked. Thanks.

In the early times of FM7.2 and/or Acrobat6 or 7 (IIRC), crashes were
bound to happen if the Generate Tagged PDF" was not set.
And now Dov tells us that another "must" has to be the other way
around. I am referring to the language level setting in EPS made from
AI.

This is a weird day.
I hope this will stick for some time. I would hate to wake up
tomorrow, finding out that the things that worked today will not or
that there is something else that I have been doing "right" for years
must be done the other way around. :-(

It is time for "my tea" as the Englishmen say, so I am going home now.

Thanks to everyone that helped -- or tried to.

One final word to Adobe: Please make effort to make FM stable in
handling all sorts of situation. I am really getting tired of the all
to frequent surprises.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Air Atlanta Icelandic

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Try toggling the Generate Tagged PDF setting for the book
> Art
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  
> wrote:
>> Yes
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Art Campbell  
>> wrote:
>>> Can you print Chapter 4 to PDF by itself?
>>>
>>> Art
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  
>>> wrote:
 I tried this now and same results.

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  
 wrote:
> No, I had not tried that yet.
> One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
> open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bodvar
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)  husky.ca> wrote:
>> Bodvar,
>> Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
>> distills successfully?
>> I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
>> it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.
>>
>> Berny Gagne
>> Lead Writer
>> Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
>> Bolton, Ontario, Canada
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
>> Bjorgvinsson
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
>> To: Frame Users
>> Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5
>>
>> Thanks Art,
>>
>> I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
>> file, so no problem there.
>> About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
>> running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
>> applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
>> book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
>> offending graphic.
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell 
>> wrote:
>>> OK,
>>> It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
>>> Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
>>> C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
>>> without opening any unnecessary applications?
>>>
>>> ***
>>> What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
>>> doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?
>>>
>>> Art
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson >> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
 This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
>>
 printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
 crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
 file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
>>
 first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
>> format).
 There are no offending imported graphics. The first graphic of the
 chapter is on page 6 (eps from Illustrator). However there is a lot
 of graphics in chapter 3, mainly eps's, but also tifs.

 I have MIF-washed Chapter 4, copied the contents of Chapter 4 into a
 new file, but the result is always the same.

 I am on a tight schedule with this.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks beforehand,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Air Atlanta Icelandic

 --
 "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
>> ingenious."
  -- Edsel Murphy, dec.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>>
>>> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
>>>  DoD 358
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "It is 

Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Stamm, David-P45904]

2008-06-04-03T19:25Z

I'm not so sure it's a problem with Acrobat.  I think it might be with
FrameMaker.  Or, more-precisely, with the name of the .fm file.

I remember learning (from Shlomo Perets, I think) that sometimes,
FrameMaker fails - without complaint - to produce a satisfactory .ps
file.

I've encountered this problem a few times.  After trying every other
solution, I shortened the name of the .fm file to not more than
_eight_letters_.  Then, FrameMaker was happy and performed as otherwise
expected.

I seem to recall that the problem occurs extremely-infrequently and
stems from the deepest, oldest, UNIX code in FrameMaker.

Shlomo and Dov, can you confirm or refute?  If so, please do.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Flato,
Gillian
Sent: 2008-06-04-Wednesday 14:37
To: Framers List
Subject: Strange Frame to PDF problem

I have found that if I have a Frame file that contains a very long name,
or if it is buried deep in a network path (folder within a folder within
a folder etc.) that I can't build a PDF. I get a message that Distiller
can't open the *.tps file. If I move the Frame file to my C: drive and
shorten the name, then I can build a PDF. Does anyone know the path
limitations of Acrobat?


Thank you,



 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.545.6316

7  408.232.5911

* gflato at nanometrics  .com
 


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Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Fred Ridder]

Dave Stamm wrote (in part):

> I'm not so sure it's a problem with Acrobat. I think it might be with
> FrameMaker. Or, more-precisely, with the name of the .fm file.
> I've encountered this problem a few times. After trying every other
> solution, I shortened the name of the .fm file to not more than
> _eight_letters_. Then, FrameMaker was happy and performed as otherwise
> expected.

I've used lots of filenames longer than eight characters, but I do recall 
encountering problems when other writers have included spaces in their 
filenames or have paths that include directories with spaces in their 
names. Windows uses a kludge to allow users to include spaces and
it can definitely bite you in the backside when using apps that exist on
multiple platforms. Spaces are evil.

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Printing Error with FM

[Dov Isaacs]

Bodvar,

You must read my response in CONTEXT to the thread. The OP wanted
a solution to printing directly from FrameMaker to a PostScript
language level 2 printer. In that case, EPS must be no more than
language level 2. That being said, my original response recommended
as the best solution to simply create PDF and print from Reader or
Acrobat. With that solution PostScript language level 3 EPS is no
longer a problem and should be what you import into FrameMaker
documents.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bodvar at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:16 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Cc: Tim Lewis; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM
>
> Hi Dov,
>
> This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
> EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
> Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
> (see message thread "FM Crash chapter 4 page 5")?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bodvar
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> > .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
> > TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
> > Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
> > PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and "edit"
> > the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
> >
> > If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
> > check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
> > as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
> > of your problems!
> >
> >- Dov

Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Art Campbell]

In addition to never using spaces... I'm remembering that it isn't the
file name itself, but the total number of characters in the path
that's the problem. I'm thinking that the limitation was 256
characters total, but that could just be the number that's popping out
of the grey cells today

Art


On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
>
> Dave Stamm wrote (in part):
>
>> I'm not so sure it's a problem with Acrobat. I think it might be with
>> FrameMaker. Or, more-precisely, with the name of the .fm file.
>> I've encountered this problem a few times. After trying every other
>> solution, I shortened the name of the .fm file to not more than
>> _eight_letters_. Then, FrameMaker was happy and performed as otherwise
>> expected.
>
> I've used lots of filenames longer than eight characters, but I do recall
> encountering problems when other writers have included spaces in their
> filenames or have paths that include directories with spaces in their
> names. Windows uses a kludge to allow users to include spaces and
> it can definitely bite you in the backside when using apps that exist on
> multiple platforms. Spaces are evil.
>
> -FR
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Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Peter Gold]

Depending on the version of Windows, and perhaps also the network in
use, and perhaps also the operating system of the network file server,
there may indeed be a default limit to the the length of the path.
It's probably an environment variable, or something like one, that can
be changed, if you know how. Your system administrator could be
helpful here.

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> In addition to never using spaces... I'm remembering that it isn't the
> file name itself, but the total number of characters in the path
> that's the problem. I'm thinking that the limitation was 256
> characters total, but that could just be the number that's popping out
> of the grey cells today

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Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Stuart Rogers]

Flato, Gillian wrote:
> I have found that if I have a Frame file that contains a very long name,
> or if it is buried deep in a network path (folder within a folder within
> a folder etc.) that I can't build a PDF. I get a message that Distiller
> can't open the *.tps file. If I move the Frame file to my C: drive and
> shorten the name, then I can build a PDF. Does anyone know the path
> limitations of Acrobat?
>  
> 


 From Microsoft ( http://tinyurl.com/5cwk6t )

Maximum Path Length

In the Windows API (with some exceptions discussed in the following 
paragraphs), the maximum length for a path is MAX_PATH, which is defined 
as 260 characters. A local path is structured in the following order: 
drive letter, colon, backslash, components separated by backslashes, and 
a terminating null character. For example, the maximum path on drive D 
is "D:\" where "" represents 
the invisible terminating null character for the current system 
codepage. (The characters < > are used here for visual clarity and 
cannot be part of a valid path string.)

Note  File I/O functions in the Windows API convert "/" to "\" as part 
of converting the name to an NT-style name, except when using the "\\?\" 
prefix as detailed in the following sections.

The Windows API has many functions that also have Unicode versions to 
permit an extended-length path for a maximum total path length of 
approximately 32,000 characters. This type of path is composed of 
components separated by backslashes, each up to 255 characters in 
length. To specify an extended-length path, use the "\\?\" prefix. For 
example, "\\?\D:\". (The characters < > are used here 
for visual clarity and cannot be part of a valid path string.)


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Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Mike Wickham]

Check File> Preferences> General> Cross Platform File Naming. That setting 
can affect how many characters are allowed in the filename, as well as 
disallow certain characters in the filename because they are illegal 
characters in the chosen OS.

Mike Wickham

Printing Error with FM

[Tim Lewis]

I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document. 

>From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients. 

Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
using in my FrameMaker documents? 

Tim Lewis
Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isaacs at adobe.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
> To: Tim Lewis; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
> 
> What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
> referencing
> in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
> are in
> effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
> about
> the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
> inside
> a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
> importing;
> that's what really happens.
> 
> Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
> with
> PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
> directly
> from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
> course,
> if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
> solution
> in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
> found,
> Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
> level 2
> constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
> 
> Here are your alternatives:
> 
> (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
> Reader
> instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
> something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
> to
> see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
> wasted printing).
> 
> (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
> import
> those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
> gradients,
> but otherwise you should be OK.
> 
> (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
> PDF
> to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
> that
> to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
> thought
> that the default for that was 2, not 3!)
> 
> (4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer
> you
> currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!
> 
> Personally, I'd go with solution (1).
> 
> - Dov