Illustrator EPS compatibility

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

[I had a bad feeling dropping a message with a "loosely connected"  
topic into another thread.]

When saving Illustrator files as EPS you have the choice to select  
the Illustrator version, including a warning that you may loose some  
features when saving as an older versions.

I also remember that there was a case when dashed lines from an  
Illustrator EPS "escaped" from the encapsulation and created dashed  
lines elsewhere after distilling to a PDF. This was with a certain  
combination of FrameMaker and Acrobat versions. What I and others  
learned was that EPS encapsulation is not always encapsulating the EPS.

In other words, I hear advice that you should stick to a certain  
Illustrator version level for all EPS graphics unless your FrameMaker  
version is younger than your Illustrator version - presumably to give  
engineers the chance to improve the EPS import filter (or the PS  
creating engine?).

Or is that a myth? Will FrameMaker 7.0 without a problem process EPS  
files at Illustrator CS3 level?

If there is a dependency, I am looking for a compatibility table that  
shows which versions of Illustrator EPS files are supported by which  
version of FrameMaker.

Thanks,

- Michael

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SV: Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing

[Jacob Schäffer]

Hi Mathieu,

Our Publi PDF software is tailored especially to solve this specific problem.

Please see: 
http://www.grafikhuset.net/PubliPDF/whitepaper_difficult_pdf_documents.html and 
http://www.grafikhuset.net/publipdf/ for details.

Best regards
Jacob Schäffer
Grafikhuset
Paradis Allé 22
Ramløse
DK-3200 Helsinge
Tel: +45 4439 4400
Mob: +45 2021 1958 



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> Emne: Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> a client sent me his color guide containing the color 
> definitions he uses for logos, graphical objects, etc.
> 
> He uses mainly the following blue and purple definitions :
> 
> . PANTONE  5395 C (dark blue) / CMYK (100, 44, 0, 76)
> . PANTONE 5425 C (light blue) / CMYK (30, 4, 0, 31)
> . PANTONE 246 C (purple) / CMYK (29, 90, 0, 0)
> 
> I have created a line in Adobe illustrator using the Pantone 
> 246 C colour and imported it in the reference pages of my 
> FrameMaker doc to use it as a graphical frame to be called by 
> a paragraph tag ("frame below"...not sure, I'm using a French 
> version).
> 
> When I print to pdf, the colour of the line matches perfectly 
> that of the company logo, which is imported as .eps in my template.
> 
> Now, I have created a paragraph tag. I want its color to be 
> identical to that of the line and logo, which is PANTONE 246 
> C. I have looked into the FrameMaker colour library and found 
> a Pantone 246 CVC, which is, as I have read here and there, 
> identical to 246 C but for computer video, whereas the 246 C 
> is for coated paper printing. 
> 
> In CMYK terms, the two colors are different, since one (246 
> C) is CMYK (29, 90, 0, 0) and the other (246 CVC) is CMYK 
> (30, 91, 0, 0) but on the FM interface, they look identical. 
> So so far so good, I have set the color of the pragraph tag 
> to Pantone 246 CVC.
> 
> The problem is that when I print to pdf, the colours are different...
> 
> Where can the problem come from. From my Adobe job options? 
> The manuel won't be printed, only read on screen: which 
> option or which Adobe PDF color settings am I supposed to use?
> 
> Thank you very much for your help,
> 
> Mathieu. 
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Re: Writing to the DOCTYPE area with Import/Export client

[Lynne A. Price]

At 10:19 AM 6/5/2008, Rick Quatro wrote:
>I want to use a FrameMaker Export client to write to the DOCTYPE area of an
>XML file when exporting from structured Frame. I am trying to add some
>entity definitions. Is this possible with a structured FrameMaker export
>client? Thanks in advance.

Rick,
   Sounds like you want to write to the internal document type declaration 
subset. The loc parameter to Sw_WriteString lets you specify whether you 
are writing to the internal document type declaration subset or to the 
document instance.
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Writing to the DOCTYPE area with Import/Export client

[Lynne A. Price]

At 10:19 AM 6/5/2008, Rick Quatro wrote:
>I want to use a FrameMaker Export client to write to the DOCTYPE area of an
>XML file when exporting from structured Frame. I am trying to add some
>entity definitions. Is this possible with a structured FrameMaker export
>client? Thanks in advance.

Rick,
   Sounds like you want to write to the internal document type declaration 
subset. The loc parameter to Sw_WriteString lets you specify whether you 
are writing to the internal document type declaration subset or to the 
document instance.
 --Lynne


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Printing Error with FM

[Paul Findon]

On 5 Jun 2008, at 17:25, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
> one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
> doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
> versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
> file!

NeXT FrameMaker used to import native AI files back in the day. I  
remember doing it. How did that work?

Paul

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

[Duncan, Gary]

Hi everyone,



A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show on
the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot
remember how I got it to show.  



Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar?



Thank you...



Gary

FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Mike Wickham]

> The unexplained crashes we get are of two sorts. One sort of crash is
> the one we get in Acrobat Pro 8, during the process of distillation,
> and then when we repeat our procedure, the distillation succeeds
> without any further problem. The other sort of crash is the one we
> get in the Adobe Reader, when we attempt to open the resultant PDF
> across the internet. Here, by way of an example, is an Acrobat 8 PDF
> that has been distilled out of a FM8 file, that has a history of
> three times out of four crashing the Adobe Reader when an attempt is
> made to access it on the internet using a fast cable connection (and
> then with perhaps the fourth attempt, opening perfectly without any
> problem): http://www.kouroo.info/kouroo/thumbnails/C/AlexanderChalmers.pdf
>

The PDF opened on the first try for me, using Acrobat 8 Professional (in IE7
browser window). I used PageDown to quickly view all 25 pages without
apparent problem.

You mentioned both Reader and Acrobat. Do you have both installed on the
same computer? If so, that may be your problem. Since version 6, Adobe has
insisted that no more than one version of Reader and/or Acrobat should be
installed on any one computer, due to possible conflicts. They do not 
support
such installations. If you have both on the same computer, or more than one
version of the same, you should uninstall them in reverse order, and then
reinstall only one copy of Acrobat or one copy of Reader.

Mike Wickham

Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing : RESOLVED!

[mathieu jacquet]

Yves,

thank you for your help. 

I followed "solution 3" of the Adobe TechNote ("solution 1" being already 
partially done by importing .eps files into my template, and "solution 2" using 
a plug-in I do not have), which consists to set the GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK 
option to "None" in the Maker.ini file. 

Everything ran smoothly afterwards.

Thanks a lot and have a nice day,
Mathieu.


> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:32:02 +0200
> From: yves.barbion at gmail.com
> To: bobitch at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Hi Mathieu,
> 
> assuming that you're using Frame in Windows, this is what causes the problem:
> 
> http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=324220&sliceId=1
> 
> You can try the workarounds which are described in the above article, but be 
> careful with color conversions, e.g. from RGB back to CMYK. I'd use a color 
> remapping instead.
> 
> This is my workaround:
> 
>  1.  I create custom colors in FrameMaker, for example "company color 1" and 
> "company color 2".
>  2.  I specify CMYK values for these colors, although they don't really 
> matter here because they will be converted to RGB in the PDF anyway.
>  3.  I Acrobat, I use Enfocus PitStop Professional as a plug-in.
>  4.  Using Enfocus PitStop, I create an Action List (or a PDF profile) in 
> which I set up my color remapping scheme to remap all RGB colors with 
> specific RGB values to a specific Pantone color (or CMYK).
>  5.  I generate a preflight report to check (and correct) the colors in my 
> PDF document.
> 
> This is the only way in which I can assure color consistency and fix 
> incorrect colors globally. In Frame, you can specify colors in the Paragraph 
> Designer and the Character Designer, but also on Reference Pages, Master 
> Pages, tables and what have you. And you may even import EPS line art which 
> has similar, but different colors. All of these can be checked, managed and 
> corrected in the PDF.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> 
> --
> Yves Barbion | Managing Director Scripto | Adobe-Certified FrameMaker 
> Instructor
> www.scripto.nu
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:03 PM, mathieu jacquet  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> a client sent me his color guide containing the color definitions he uses for 
> logos, graphical objects, etc.
> 
> He uses mainly the following blue and purple definitions :
> 
> . PANTONE  5395 C (dark blue) / CMYK (100, 44, 0, 76)
> . PANTONE 5425 C (light blue) / CMYK (30, 4, 0, 31)
> . PANTONE 246 C (purple) / CMYK (29, 90, 0, 0)
> 
> I have created a line in Adobe illustrator using the Pantone 246 C colour and 
> imported it in the reference pages of my FrameMaker doc to use it as a 
> graphical frame to be called by a paragraph tag ("frame below"...not sure, 
> I'm using a French version).
> 
> When I print to pdf, the colour of the line matches perfectly that of the 
> company logo, which is imported as .eps in my template.
> 
> Now, I have created a paragraph tag. I want its color to be identical to that 
> of the line and logo, which is PANTONE 246 C. I have looked into the 
> FrameMaker colour library and found a Pantone 246 CVC, which is, as I have 
> read here and there, identical to 246 C but for computer video, whereas the 
> 246 C is for coated paper printing.
> 
> In CMYK terms, the two colors are different, since one (246 C) is CMYK (29, 
> 90, 0, 0) and the other (246 CVC) is CMYK (30, 91, 0, 0) but on the FM 
> interface, they look identical. So so far so good, I have set the color of 
> the pragraph tag to Pantone 246 CVC.
> 
> The problem is that when I print to pdf, the colours are different...
> 
> Where can the problem come from. From my Adobe job options?
> The manuel won't be printed, only read on screen: which option or which Adobe 
> PDF color settings am I supposed to use?
> 
> Thank you very much for your help,
> 
> Mathieu.
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Writing to the DOCTYPE area with Import/Export client

[Rick Quatro]

I want to use a FrameMaker Export client to write to the DOCTYPE area of an 
XML file when exporting from structured Frame. I am trying to add some 
entity definitions. Is this possible with a structured FrameMaker export 
client? Thanks in advance.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

Re: FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Mike Wickham]

> The unexplained crashes we get are of two sorts. One sort of crash is
> the one we get in Acrobat Pro 8, during the process of distillation,
> and then when we repeat our procedure, the distillation succeeds
> without any further problem. The other sort of crash is the one we
> get in the Adobe Reader, when we attempt to open the resultant PDF
> across the internet. Here, by way of an example, is an Acrobat 8 PDF
> that has been distilled out of a FM8 file, that has a history of
> three times out of four crashing the Adobe Reader when an attempt is
> made to access it on the internet using a fast cable connection (and
> then with perhaps the fourth attempt, opening perfectly without any
> problem): http://www.kouroo.info/kouroo/thumbnails/C/AlexanderChalmers.pdf
>

The PDF opened on the first try for me, using Acrobat 8 Professional (in IE7
browser window). I used PageDown to quickly view all 25 pages without
apparent problem.

You mentioned both Reader and Acrobat. Do you have both installed on the
same computer? If so, that may be your problem. Since version 6, Adobe has
insisted that no more than one version of Reader and/or Acrobat should be
installed on any one computer, due to possible conflicts. They do not 
support
such installations. If you have both on the same computer, or more than one
version of the same, you should uninstall them in reverse order, and then
reinstall only one copy of Acrobat or one copy of Reader.

Mike Wickham


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How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

[Duncan, Gary]

Hi everyone,

 

A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show on
the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot
remember how I got it to show.  

 

Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar?

 

Thank you...

 

Gary

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RE: Illustrator EPS compatibility

[Dov Isaacs]

Bubbemeissa - Grandmother's Tale! In other words, a total myth!

FrameMaker does absolutely NOTHING with the internals of placed
EPS files; it is simply passed through and around the PostScript driver
during "print" operations. As long as it is valid PostScript conforming to the
EPS specification and has a language level less than or equal to
that of the PostScript printer being sent to (Distiller is language
level 3), you should be fine!

Who gave you that mumbo-jumbo "advice"?

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Müller-Hillebrand
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:22 PM
>
> [I had a bad feeling dropping a message with a "loosely connected"
> topic into another thread.]
>
> When saving Illustrator files as EPS you have the choice to select
> the Illustrator version, including a warning that you may loose some
> features when saving as an older versions.
>
> I also remember that there was a case when dashed lines from an
> Illustrator EPS "escaped" from the encapsulation and created dashed
> lines elsewhere after distilling to a PDF. This was with a certain
> combination of FrameMaker and Acrobat versions. What I and others
> learned was that EPS encapsulation is not always encapsulating the EPS.
>
> In other words, I hear advice that you should stick to a certain
> Illustrator version level for all EPS graphics unless your FrameMaker
> version is younger than your Illustrator version - presumably to give
> engineers the chance to improve the EPS import filter (or the PS
> creating engine?).
>
> Or is that a myth? Will FrameMaker 7.0 without a problem process EPS
> files at Illustrator CS3 level?
>
> If there is a dependency, I am looking for a compatibility table that
> shows which versions of Illustrator EPS files are supported by which
> version of FrameMaker.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Michael
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Illustrator EPS compatibility

[Dov Isaacs]

Bubbemeissa - Grandmother's Tale! In other words, a total myth!

FrameMaker does absolutely NOTHING with the internals of placed
EPS files; it is simply passed through and around the PostScript driver
during "print" operations. As long as it is valid PostScript conforming to the
EPS specification and has a language level less than or equal to
that of the PostScript printer being sent to (Distiller is language
level 3), you should be fine!

Who gave you that mumbo-jumbo "advice"?

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael M?ller-Hillebrand
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:22 PM
>
> [I had a bad feeling dropping a message with a "loosely connected"
> topic into another thread.]
>
> When saving Illustrator files as EPS you have the choice to select
> the Illustrator version, including a warning that you may loose some
> features when saving as an older versions.
>
> I also remember that there was a case when dashed lines from an
> Illustrator EPS "escaped" from the encapsulation and created dashed
> lines elsewhere after distilling to a PDF. This was with a certain
> combination of FrameMaker and Acrobat versions. What I and others
> learned was that EPS encapsulation is not always encapsulating the EPS.
>
> In other words, I hear advice that you should stick to a certain
> Illustrator version level for all EPS graphics unless your FrameMaker
> version is younger than your Illustrator version - presumably to give
> engineers the chance to improve the EPS import filter (or the PS
> creating engine?).
>
> Or is that a myth? Will FrameMaker 7.0 without a problem process EPS
> files at Illustrator CS3 level?
>
> If there is a dependency, I am looking for a compatibility table that
> shows which versions of Illustrator EPS files are supported by which
> version of FrameMaker.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Michael

Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Mathieu,

assuming that you're using Frame in Windows, this is what causes the
problem:

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=324220&sliceId=1

You can try the workarounds which are described in the above article, but be
careful with color conversions, e.g. from RGB back to CMYK. I'd use a color
remapping instead.

This is my workaround:

   1. I create custom colors in FrameMaker, for example "company color 1"
   and "company color 2".
   2. I specify CMYK values for these colors, although they don't really
   matter here because they will be converted to RGB in the PDF anyway.
   3. I Acrobat, I use Enfocus PitStop Professional as a plug-in.
   4. Using Enfocus PitStop, I create an Action List (or a PDF profile) in
   which I set up my color remapping scheme to remap all RGB colors with
   specific RGB values to a specific Pantone color (or CMYK).
   5. I generate a preflight report to check (and correct) the colors in my
   PDF document.

This is the only way in which I can assure color consistency and fix
incorrect colors globally. In Frame, you can specify colors in the Paragraph
Designer and the Character Designer, but also on Reference Pages, Master
Pages, tables and what have you. And you may even import EPS line art which
has similar, but different colors. All of these can be checked, managed and
corrected in the PDF.

Kind regards


-- 
Yves Barbion | Managing Director Scripto | Adobe-Certified FrameMaker
Instructor
www.scripto.nu



On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:03 PM, mathieu jacquet 
wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> a client sent me his color guide containing the color definitions he uses
> for logos, graphical objects, etc.
>
> He uses mainly the following blue and purple definitions :
>
> . PANTONE  5395 C (dark blue) / CMYK (100, 44, 0, 76)
> . PANTONE 5425 C (light blue) / CMYK (30, 4, 0, 31)
> . PANTONE 246 C (purple) / CMYK (29, 90, 0, 0)
>
> I have created a line in Adobe illustrator using the Pantone 246 C colour
> and imported it in the reference pages of my FrameMaker doc to use it as a
> graphical frame to be called by a paragraph tag ("frame below"...not sure,
> I'm using a French version).
>
> When I print to pdf, the colour of the line matches perfectly that of the
> company logo, which is imported as .eps in my template.
>
> Now, I have created a paragraph tag. I want its color to be identical to
> that of the line and logo, which is PANTONE 246 C. I have looked into the
> FrameMaker colour library and found a Pantone 246 CVC, which is, as I have
> read here and there, identical to 246 C but for computer video, whereas the
> 246 C is for coated paper printing.
>
> In CMYK terms, the two colors are different, since one (246 C) is CMYK (29,
> 90, 0, 0) and the other (246 CVC) is CMYK (30, 91, 0, 0) but on the FM
> interface, they look identical. So so far so good, I have set the color of
> the pragraph tag to Pantone 246 CVC.
>
> The problem is that when I print to pdf, the colours are different...
>
> Where can the problem come from. From my Adobe job options?
> The manuel won't be printed, only read on screen: which option or which
> Adobe PDF color settings am I supposed to use?
>
> Thank you very much for your help,
>
> Mathieu.
> _
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> Galerie de Photos !
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Illustrator EPS compatibility

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

[I had a bad feeling dropping a message with a "loosely connected"  
topic into another thread.]

When saving Illustrator files as EPS you have the choice to select  
the Illustrator version, including a warning that you may loose some  
features when saving as an older versions.

I also remember that there was a case when dashed lines from an  
Illustrator EPS "escaped" from the encapsulation and created dashed  
lines elsewhere after distilling to a PDF. This was with a certain  
combination of FrameMaker and Acrobat versions. What I and others  
learned was that EPS encapsulation is not always encapsulating the EPS.

In other words, I hear advice that you should stick to a certain  
Illustrator version level for all EPS graphics unless your FrameMaker  
version is younger than your Illustrator version - presumably to give  
engineers the chance to improve the EPS import filter (or the PS  
creating engine?).

Or is that a myth? Will FrameMaker 7.0 without a problem process EPS  
files at Illustrator CS3 level?

If there is a dependency, I am looking for a compatibility table that  
shows which versions of Illustrator EPS files are supported by which  
version of FrameMaker.

Thanks,

- Michael

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FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Bummer!
To day is another day. :-(

Now it crashes again and on the same exact spot. I finally tried to
remove Chapter 3 from the book. This way the book printed OK to ps.
Then I printed Chapter 3 separately (also with bookmarks) and inserted
that into the distilled pdf from the book, moved the bookmarks to the
right place and everything works fine apart from the links in the ToC
to Chapter 3 which think that there must be some different file to
look for. I can live with that in this case.

This leads me to think that Chapter 3 maybe takes up too much
resources or memory. It includes some 6 tifs and 15 eps graphics
(referenced) which are in fact mostly full pages from pdf documents.

Can anyone comment on how XP SP2 memory or resources deal with EPSs in FM?

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
> Art,
>
> I am utterly flabbergasted! This worked. Thanks.
>
> In the early times of FM7.2 and/or Acrobat6 or 7 (IIRC), crashes were
> bound to happen if the Generate Tagged PDF" was not set.
> And now Dov tells us that another "must" has to be the other way
> around. I am referring to the language level setting in EPS made from
> AI.
>
> This is a weird day.
> I hope this will stick for some time. I would hate to wake up
> tomorrow, finding out that the things that worked today will not or
> that there is something else that I have been doing "right" for years
> must be done the other way around. :-(
>
> It is time for "my tea" as the Englishmen say, so I am going home now.
>
> Thanks to everyone that helped -- or tried to.
>
> One final word to Adobe: Please make effort to make FM stable in
> handling all sorts of situation. I am really getting tired of the all
> to frequent surprises.
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Air Atlanta Icelandic
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Art Campbell  
> wrote:
>> Try toggling the Generate Tagged PDF setting for the book
>> Art
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  
>> wrote:
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> Bodvar
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Art Campbell  
>>> wrote:
 Can you print Chapter 4 to PDF by itself?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  
 wrote:
> I tried this now and same results.
>
> Bodvar
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  
> wrote:
>> No, I had not tried that yet.
>> One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
>> open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) > husky.ca> wrote:
>>> Bodvar,
>>> Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
>>> distills successfully?
>>> I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
>>> it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.
>>>
>>> Berny Gagne
>>> Lead Writer
>>> Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
>>> Bolton, Ontario, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
>>> Bjorgvinsson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
>>> To: Frame Users
>>> Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5
>>>
>>> Thanks Art,
>>>
>>> I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
>>> file, so no problem there.
>>> About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
>>> running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
>>> applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
>>> book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
>>> offending graphic.
>>>
>>> Bodvar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell >> gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
 OK,
 It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
 Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
 without opening any unnecessary applications?

 ***
 What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
 doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson >>> gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
> This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
>>>
> printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
> crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
> file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
>>>
> first page of chapter 4 a lot of text is missing (mainly body
>>> format).
>

Writing to the DOCTYPE area with Import/Export client

[Rick Quatro]

I want to use a FrameMaker Export client to write to the DOCTYPE area of an 
XML file when exporting from structured Frame. I am trying to add some 
entity definitions. Is this possible with a structured FrameMaker export 
client? Thanks in advance.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Austin Meredith]

The problems we are having with Acrobat Pro 8 are problems of 1.) the 
very significant processing effort that is required, to re-distill an 
updated FM8 file into an updated PDF suitable for posting to the 
internet, and 2.) the frequency with which Acrobat Pro 8 suddenly 
crashes. This processing is a real drag on our productivity. The 
questions I should be asking, therefore, are 1.) has any FM user 
found there to be a significant improvement in the convenience of 
distillation, between Acrobat8 and Acrobat9? -- and 2.) is anyone 
finding Acrobat 9 to be any more stable, that is, less crash-prone 
during distillation, than Acrobat 8?

The unexplained crashes we get are of two sorts. One sort of crash is 
the one we get in Acrobat Pro 8, during the process of distillation, 
and then when we repeat our procedure, the distillation succeeds 
without any further problem. The other sort of crash is the one we 
get in the Adobe Reader, when we attempt to open the resultant PDF 
across the internet. Here, by way of an example, is an Acrobat 8 PDF 
that has been distilled out of a FM8 file, that has a history of 
three times out of four crashing the Adobe Reader when an attempt is 
made to access it on the internet using a fast cable connection (and 
then with perhaps the fourth attempt, opening perfectly without any 
problem): http://www.kouroo.info/kouroo/thumbnails/C/AlexanderChalmers.pdf

> > Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our
> > FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to
> > Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?
>
>Upgrading to a new version of a tool just because it exists has never made
>any sense to me. Unless there is some incompatibility in your current working
>environment, or unless there is some new feature in Acrobat 9 that would
>be a *real* benefit to your workflow or product (and not just an item of
>marketing hype), I see no reason to move away from a currently working
>toolset.

Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

a client sent me his color guide containing the color definitions he uses for 
logos, graphical objects, etc.

He uses mainly the following blue and purple definitions :

. PANTONE  5395 C (dark blue) / CMYK (100, 44, 0, 76)
. PANTONE 5425 C (light blue) / CMYK (30, 4, 0, 31)
. PANTONE 246 C (purple) / CMYK (29, 90, 0, 0)

I have created a line in Adobe illustrator using the Pantone 246 C colour and 
imported it in the reference pages of my FrameMaker doc to use it as a 
graphical frame to be called by a paragraph tag ("frame below"...not sure, I'm 
using a French version).

When I print to pdf, the colour of the line matches perfectly that of the 
company logo, which is imported as .eps in my template.

Now, I have created a paragraph tag. I want its color to be identical to that 
of the line and logo, which is PANTONE 246 C. I have looked into the FrameMaker 
colour library and found a Pantone 246 CVC, which is, as I have read here and 
there, identical to 246 C but for computer video, whereas the 246 C is for 
coated paper printing. 

In CMYK terms, the two colors are different, since one (246 C) is CMYK (29, 90, 
0, 0) and the other (246 CVC) is CMYK (30, 91, 0, 0) but on the FM interface, 
they look identical. So so far so good, I have set the color of the pragraph 
tag to Pantone 246 CVC.

The problem is that when I print to pdf, the colours are different...

Where can the problem come from. From my Adobe job options? 
The manuel won't be printed, only read on screen: which option or which Adobe 
PDF color settings am I supposed to use?

Thank you very much for your help,

Mathieu.
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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Fred Ridder]

Austin Meredith wrote:

> Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our 
> FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to 
> Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?

Upgrading to a new version of a tool just because it exists has never made 
any sense to me. Unless there is some incompatibility in your current working
environment, or unless there is some new feature in Acrobat 9 that would
be a *real* benefit to your workflow or product (and not just an item of
marketing hype), I see no reason to move away from a currently working 
toolset.

And considering how bad a track record Adobe has had with serious issues 
in the initial releases of new Acrobat versions, I know that *I* am not in 
any hurry to update such a crucial tool.

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RE: Printing Error with FM

[Dov Isaacs]

Back when, the .AI file had most of the .EPS PostScript text built in
but omitted a standard header that FrameMaker understood. Remember that
NeXT had Display PostScript as its graphical underpinning (that dates
both of us!).

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Findon
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:41 AM
> To: FrameUsers List
> Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM
>
> On 5 Jun 2008, at 17:25, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
> > Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
> > one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
> > doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
> > versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
> > file!
>
> NeXT FrameMaker used to import native AI files back in the day. I
> remember doing it. How did that work?
>
> Paul
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Printing Error with FM

[Dov Isaacs]

Back when, the .AI file had most of the .EPS PostScript text built in
but omitted a standard header that FrameMaker understood. Remember that
NeXT had Display PostScript as its graphical underpinning (that dates
both of us!).

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Findon
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:41 AM
> To: FrameUsers List
> Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM
>
> On 5 Jun 2008, at 17:25, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
> > Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
> > one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
> > doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
> > versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
> > file!
>
> NeXT FrameMaker used to import native AI files back in the day. I
> remember doing it. How did that work?
>
> Paul

Re: Printing Error with FM

[Paul Findon]

On 5 Jun 2008, at 17:25, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
> one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
> doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
> versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
> file!

NeXT FrameMaker used to import native AI files back in the day. I  
remember doing it. How did that work?

Paul
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RE: FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Dov Isaacs]

Acrobat 9 was just announced and has NOT been released. The projected
release date is sometime shortly before July.

For the record, in terms of interoperability with FrameMaker, Acrobat 9
provides no new Distiller features, but should be fully compatible with
all versions of FrameMaker that were compatible with Acrobat 8.x.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Austin Meredith
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:00 AM
>
> Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our
> FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to
> Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?
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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Dov Isaacs]

Acrobat 9 was just announced and has NOT been released. The projected
release date is sometime shortly before July.

For the record, in terms of interoperability with FrameMaker, Acrobat 9
provides no new Distiller features, but should be fully compatible with
all versions of FrameMaker that were compatible with Acrobat 8.x.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Austin Meredith
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:00 AM
>
> Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our
> FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to
> Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?

Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Rick Quatro]

Spaces can have unintended consequences. For example, you can have spaces in 
the top row cells of a spreadsheet; for example, "Full Name". But if you 
attempt to query the spreadsheet programatically with ODBC and the top rows 
are column headers, the space can cause problems. Underscores make a good 
substitute for spaces in a case like this ("Full_Name"). Admittedly, this 
example is a little obscure for most users, but I tend to avoid spaces 
anywhere where programming might be involved.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> 2008-06-05-04T13:20Z
>
> Gillian -
>
> I agree with Fred Ridder's opinion that, "Spaces are evil."
>
> If memory serves, I believe that Hedley Finger would _heartily_ agree -
> including avoiding spaces in names of paragraph tags and such.
>
>
> Dave Stamm
> Publications Specialist, Senior Staff
> General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
> Battle Management Systems Division
> 1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200
> Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552
> US
> tel, Fort Wayne:  260-434-9620Taunton, MA:  508-880-4005
> fax, Fort Wayne:  260.434.9606Taunton, MA:  508.880.1633
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Printing Error with FM

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Loosely connected to this:

Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were  
supported by which FrameMaker versions?

 From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator  
CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need  
some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator .

Thanks,

- Michael


Am 04.06.2008 um 17:18 schrieb Dov Isaacs:

> .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
> TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
> Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
> PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and  
> "edit"
> the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
>
> If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe  
> Illustrator,
> check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
> as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the  
> cause
> of your problems!

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RE: Printing Error with FM

[Dov Isaacs]

Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
file!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Müller-Hillebrand
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:39 AM
>
> Loosely connected to this:
>
> Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were
> supported by which FrameMaker versions?
>
>  From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator
> CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need
> some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator .
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Michael
>
>
> Am 04.06.2008 um 17:18 schrieb Dov Isaacs:
>
> > .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
> > TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
> > Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
> > PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and
> > "edit"
> > the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
> >
> > If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
> > check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
> > as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
> > of your problems!
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Printing Error with FM

[Dov Isaacs]

Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
file!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael M?ller-Hillebrand
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:39 AM
>
> Loosely connected to this:
>
> Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were
> supported by which FrameMaker versions?
>
>  From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator
> CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need
> some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator .
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Michael
>
>
> Am 04.06.2008 um 17:18 schrieb Dov Isaacs:
>
> > .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
> > TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
> > Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
> > PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and
> > "edit"
> > the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
> >
> > If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
> > check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
> > as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
> > of your problems!

Printing Error with FM

[Paul Findon]

On 5 Jun 2008, at 08:38, Michael M?ller-Hillebrand wrote:

> Loosely connected to this:
>
> Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were
> supported by which FrameMaker versions?
>
>  From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator
> CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need
> some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator .

Hi Michael,

I don't think it makes a lot of difference, although I'm prepared to  
be enlightened :-) Certainly something I've never come across, and we  
use EPS files saved as Illustrator EPS versions 8.0, 9.0, 10, and  
CS2. I just knocked up a quick graphic and saved it as EPS CS2 and it  
imports OK into Mac FrameMaker 6.0.

As long as the EPS file has the following header, FrameMaker will  
import it.

"%!PS-Adobe-3.1 EPSF-3.0"

Why do we use Illustrator 8.0 files? Well, the following quick  
translation from "DTP & Insatsu Super Encyclopaedia 2008," a yearly  
Japanese DTP publication, may shed some light.

"Even though several years have past since Mac OS 9 was discontinued,  
and Macs that run the Classic Environment are no longer on sale, many  
users are still using using Mac OS 9, Illustrator 8, and QuarkXPress  
3.3 for DTP. The reason is that if a printer, designer, DTP operator,  
output bureau, printer, etc., changes their own system, they'll  
become incompatible with everyone else in the publishing chain. This  
is a big difference with Web designers who generally don't have to  
rely on others in their work."

Paul

Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Stamm, David-P45904]

2008-06-05-04T13:20Z

Gillian -

I agree with Fred Ridder's opinion that, "Spaces are evil."

If memory serves, I believe that Hedley Finger would _heartily_ agree -
including avoiding spaces in names of paragraph tags and such.


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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Mike Wickham]

> Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our
> FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to
> Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?

I'll get it when Creative Suite 4 comes out. There's no sense buying Acrobat 
twice.

Mike Wickham

Printing Error with FM

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Sorry, and thanks for pointing that out, Dov. I did not read the thread through.
I am relieved. :-)

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> Bodvar,
>
> You must read my response in CONTEXT to the thread. The OP wanted
> a solution to printing directly from FrameMaker to a PostScript
> language level 2 printer. In that case, EPS must be no more than
> language level 2. That being said, my original response recommended
> as the best solution to simply create PDF and print from Reader or
> Acrobat. With that solution PostScript language level 3 EPS is no
> longer a problem and should be what you import into FrameMaker
> documents.
>
>- Dov
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bodvar at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:16 AM
>> To: Dov Isaacs
>> Cc: Tim Lewis; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM
>>
>> Hi Dov,
>>
>> This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
>> EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
>> Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
>> (see message thread "FM Crash chapter 4 page 5")?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
>> > .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
>> > TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
>> > Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
>> > PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and "edit"
>> > the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
>> >
>> > If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
>> > check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
>> > as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
>> > of your problems!
>> >
>> >- Dov
>



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FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Combs, Richard]

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:

> This leads me to think that Chapter 3 maybe takes up too much
> resources or memory. It includes some 6 tifs and 15 eps graphics
> (referenced) which are in fact mostly full pages from pdf documents.

If the EPS graphics were created from PDF pages, I suggest you import
the PDF pages instead. (When you select a multi-page PDF to import, FM
lets you pick a page, so there's no problem there.) 

Berny Gagne noted that issues like yours often are due to "problematic"
EPS graphics. Compared to the source PDF, I believe the only advantage
that EPS gives you is that lovely TIFF preview. ;-)

Richard


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RE: FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Austin Meredith]

The problems we are having with Acrobat Pro 8 are problems of 1.) the 
very significant processing effort that is required, to re-distill an 
updated FM8 file into an updated PDF suitable for posting to the 
internet, and 2.) the frequency with which Acrobat Pro 8 suddenly 
crashes. This processing is a real drag on our productivity. The 
questions I should be asking, therefore, are 1.) has any FM user 
found there to be a significant improvement in the convenience of 
distillation, between Acrobat8 and Acrobat9? -- and 2.) is anyone 
finding Acrobat 9 to be any more stable, that is, less crash-prone 
during distillation, than Acrobat 8?

The unexplained crashes we get are of two sorts. One sort of crash is 
the one we get in Acrobat Pro 8, during the process of distillation, 
and then when we repeat our procedure, the distillation succeeds 
without any further problem. The other sort of crash is the one we 
get in the Adobe Reader, when we attempt to open the resultant PDF 
across the internet. Here, by way of an example, is an Acrobat 8 PDF 
that has been distilled out of a FM8 file, that has a history of 
three times out of four crashing the Adobe Reader when an attempt is 
made to access it on the internet using a fast cable connection (and 
then with perhaps the fourth attempt, opening perfectly without any 
problem): http://www.kouroo.info/kouroo/thumbnails/C/AlexanderChalmers.pdf

> > Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our
> > FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to
> > Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?
>
>Upgrading to a new version of a tool just because it exists has never made
>any sense to me. Unless there is some incompatibility in your current working
>environment, or unless there is some new feature in Acrobat 9 that would
>be a *real* benefit to your workflow or product (and not just an item of
>marketing hype), I see no reason to move away from a currently working
>toolset.


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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Combs, Richard]

Austin Meredith wrote:

> Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our
> FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to
> Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?

Do you have a problem with Acrobat 8 that version 9 fixes? Do you have
an unmet need that version 9 addresses?

If so, you might consider upgrading. If not, what's the point -- excess
money in the budget? ;-)

The mere existence of a newer version, by itself, is not a rational
reason to rush out and upgrade. 

IMHO, of course.

Richard


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RE: Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing : RESOLVED!

[mathieu jacquet]

Yves,

thank you for your help. 

I followed "solution 3" of the Adobe TechNote ("solution 1" being already 
partially done by importing .eps files into my template, and "solution 2" using 
a plug-in I do not have), which consists to set the GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK 
option to "None" in the Maker.ini file. 

Everything ran smoothly afterwards.

Thanks a lot and have a nice day,
Mathieu.


> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:32:02 +0200
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing
> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Hi Mathieu,
> 
> assuming that you're using Frame in Windows, this is what causes the problem:
> 
> http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=324220&sliceId=1
> 
> You can try the workarounds which are described in the above article, but be 
> careful with color conversions, e.g. from RGB back to CMYK. I'd use a color 
> remapping instead.
> 
> This is my workaround:
> 
>  1.  I create custom colors in FrameMaker, for example "company color 1" and 
> "company color 2".
>  2.  I specify CMYK values for these colors, although they don't really 
> matter here because they will be converted to RGB in the PDF anyway.
>  3.  I Acrobat, I use Enfocus PitStop Professional as a plug-in.
>  4.  Using Enfocus PitStop, I create an Action List (or a PDF profile) in 
> which I set up my color remapping scheme to remap all RGB colors with 
> specific RGB values to a specific Pantone color (or CMYK).
>  5.  I generate a preflight report to check (and correct) the colors in my 
> PDF document.
> 
> This is the only way in which I can assure color consistency and fix 
> incorrect colors globally. In Frame, you can specify colors in the Paragraph 
> Designer and the Character Designer, but also on Reference Pages, Master 
> Pages, tables and what have you. And you may even import EPS line art which 
> has similar, but different colors. All of these can be checked, managed and 
> corrected in the PDF.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> 
> --
> Yves Barbion | Managing Director Scripto | Adobe-Certified FrameMaker 
> Instructor
> www.scripto.nu
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:03 PM, mathieu jacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> a client sent me his color guide containing the color definitions he uses for 
> logos, graphical objects, etc.
> 
> He uses mainly the following blue and purple definitions :
> 
> . PANTONE  5395 C (dark blue) / CMYK (100, 44, 0, 76)
> . PANTONE 5425 C (light blue) / CMYK (30, 4, 0, 31)
> . PANTONE 246 C (purple) / CMYK (29, 90, 0, 0)
> 
> I have created a line in Adobe illustrator using the Pantone 246 C colour and 
> imported it in the reference pages of my FrameMaker doc to use it as a 
> graphical frame to be called by a paragraph tag ("frame below"...not sure, 
> I'm using a French version).
> 
> When I print to pdf, the colour of the line matches perfectly that of the 
> company logo, which is imported as .eps in my template.
> 
> Now, I have created a paragraph tag. I want its color to be identical to that 
> of the line and logo, which is PANTONE 246 C. I have looked into the 
> FrameMaker colour library and found a Pantone 246 CVC, which is, as I have 
> read here and there, identical to 246 C but for computer video, whereas the 
> 246 C is for coated paper printing.
> 
> In CMYK terms, the two colors are different, since one (246 C) is CMYK (29, 
> 90, 0, 0) and the other (246 CVC) is CMYK (30, 91, 0, 0) but on the FM 
> interface, they look identical. So so far so good, I have set the color of 
> the pragraph tag to Pantone 246 CVC.
> 
> The problem is that when I print to pdf, the colours are different...
> 
> Where can the problem come from. From my Adobe job options?
> The manuel won't be printed, only read on screen: which option or which Adobe 
> PDF color settings am I supposed to use?
> 
> Thank you very much for your help,
> 
> Mathieu.
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RoboHelp Packager for Adobe AIR - Beta 2 Announced

[Vivek Jain]

RoboHelp Packager for Adobe AIR is now updated.  You can download the
new version for FREE from Adobe labs -
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/robohelp/. It has added a long list
of novel features - first time for a HATT.  Now, besides multiple tabs,
favorites, commenting and multiple skins like Multi-Tab Accordion and
Uni-pane Help, you have another set of new features.

Designed for End Customers - Adobe AIR based Help templates have been
designed keeping in view the end customer. They have some high-end
navigation features like Mini TOC, Breadcrumbs, etc. Apart from these
capabilities, the new Adobe AIR based Help also empowers the end
customers to customize the Help. An end customer can set their own
preferences and customize Help as desired.

Compelling Rich Branded Experience- RoboHelp Packager for Adobe AIR
provides a compelling rich user experience. It includes templates that
help authors package the same content into three completely different
styles - Multi-Tab Accordion, Uni-Pane or the Classic Tri-Pane Help.
Apart from this it also helps the Authors brand the Help as per
Corporate Branding Guidelines. It provides support for the addition of a
Company Logo and a Punch line in the main Help window. Apart from this
it also provides an About Box in the Help that details the version,
description, copyrights, logos etc.

Auto Update -Adobe AIR based Help applications provide an Auto Update
feature using which updates can be pushed to all installed connected
versions of Help. Usually, the Help content bundled with the application
is never updated, while the web content is updated with current feature
enhancements and additional resources. Adobe AIR based Help provides you
with the option to publish updates for your end users at a common server
location. The Adobe AIR based Help is intelligent enough to check for
updates and prompts users to apply updates when it detects a new version
is available.

Review Workflows / Personalization of Help

Adobe AIR based help files can be configured in such a way that you can
add comments to topics and publish those comments at a common location.
This feature enables a complete review workflow, whether or not the
reviewer is a part of your group/organization.

*   Reviewers within your network: Reviewers can publish their
comments to an XML file on a shared folder. They can also synchronize
the comments from other reviewers on the same network. This enable
multiple reviewers to simultaneously view the comments being made by
other reviewers as they review.
*   Reviewers outside your network: You can send the .air file to
these reviewers who can then export their comments to an XML file and
send it to you. You can import these comments into your Adobe AIR
application. 

Apart from the rewire workflow, the feature is designed to help an end
customer personalize Help by adding comments on the same. These comments
will not be uploaded to the server, however can be exported to a file
and shred with friends over email.

New Classic help Template - A new template called Classic Help has been
added. It is named Classic because it is a Tri-Pane Help. Apart from
that it has got all the power of any other Adobe AIR based Help
template. This template has a new feature called "How do I" that lists
all the browse sequences defined in the WebHelp. We recommend that
authors design their browse sequences in such a way that they provide
complete workflow information to end customers.

Supports Packaging of Merged WebHelp- RoboHelp Packager for Adobe AIR
now supports merged WebHelp. If an author specifies the WebHelp folder
of a Master project, the Packager is intelligent enough to detect and
convert all referenced projects in the Master Project. However, one
needs to be careful while using this feature. It doesn't provide as much
flexibility as Merged WebHelp. A new Package needs to be created every
time even when you update any of the sub projects. 

In Beta 2, zoom works flawlessly and search results has been further
improved.  

If you have not tried the RoboHelp Packager for Adobe AIR, you can
download it now for FREE (Adobe RoboHelp 7 required).

Thanks and regards
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RE: Printing Error with FM

[Tim Lewis]

I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document. 

>From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients. 

Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
using in my FrameMaker documents? 

Tim Lewis
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> -Original Message-
> From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
> To: Tim Lewis; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
> 
> What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
> referencing
> in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
> are in
> effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
> about
> the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
> inside
> a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
> importing;
> that's what really happens.
> 
> Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
> with
> PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
> directly
> from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
> course,
> if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
> solution
> in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
> found,
> Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
> level 2
> constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
> 
> Here are your alternatives:
> 
> (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
> Reader
> instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
> something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
> to
> see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
> wasted printing).
> 
> (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
> import
> those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
> gradients,
> but otherwise you should be OK.
> 
> (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
> PDF
> to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
> that
> to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
> thought
> that the default for that was 2, not 3!)
> 
> (4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer
> you
> currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!
> 
> Personally, I'd go with solution (1).
> 
> - Dov



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Re: FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Mike Wickham]

> Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our
> FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to
> Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?

I'll get it when Creative Suite 4 comes out. There's no sense buying Acrobat 
twice.

Mike Wickham


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RE: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Combs, Richard]

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
 
> This leads me to think that Chapter 3 maybe takes up too much
> resources or memory. It includes some 6 tifs and 15 eps graphics
> (referenced) which are in fact mostly full pages from pdf documents.

If the EPS graphics were created from PDF pages, I suggest you import
the PDF pages instead. (When you select a multi-page PDF to import, FM
lets you pick a page, so there's no problem there.) 

Berny Gagne noted that issues like yours often are due to "problematic"
EPS graphics. Compared to the source PDF, I believe the only advantage
that EPS gives you is that lovely TIFF preview. ;-)

Richard


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RE: FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Combs, Richard]

Austin Meredith wrote:
 
> Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our
> FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to
> Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?

Do you have a problem with Acrobat 8 that version 9 fixes? Do you have
an unmet need that version 9 addresses?

If so, you might consider upgrading. If not, what's the point -- excess
money in the budget? ;-)

The mere existence of a newer version, by itself, is not a rational
reason to rush out and upgrade. 

IMHO, of course.

Richard


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RE: FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Fred Ridder]

Austin Meredith wrote:
 
> Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our 
> FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to 
> Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?
 
Upgrading to a new version of a tool just because it exists has never made 
any sense to me. Unless there is some incompatibility in your current working
environment, or unless there is some new feature in Acrobat 9 that would
be a *real* benefit to your workflow or product (and not just an item of
marketing hype), I see no reason to move away from a currently working 
toolset.
 
And considering how bad a track record Adobe has had with serious issues 
in the initial releases of new Acrobat versions, I know that *I* am not in 
any hurry to update such a crucial tool.
 
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Re: Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Rick Quatro]

Spaces can have unintended consequences. For example, you can have spaces in 
the top row cells of a spreadsheet; for example, "Full Name". But if you 
attempt to query the spreadsheet programatically with ODBC and the top rows 
are column headers, the space can cause problems. Underscores make a good 
substitute for spaces in a case like this ("Full_Name"). Admittedly, this 
example is a little obscure for most users, but I tend to avoid spaces 
anywhere where programming might be involved.

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> 2008-06-05-04T13:20Z
>
> Gillian -
>
> I agree with Fred Ridder's opinion that, "Spaces are evil."
>
> If memory serves, I believe that Hedley Finger would _heartily_ agree -
> including avoiding spaces in names of paragraph tags and such.
>
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RE: Strange Frame to PDF problem

[Stamm, David-P45904]

2008-06-05-04T13:20Z
 
Gillian -
 
I agree with Fred Ridder's opinion that, "Spaces are evil."
 
If memory serves, I believe that Hedley Finger would _heartily_ agree -
including avoiding spaces in names of paragraph tags and such.
 

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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Austin Meredith]

Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our 
FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to 
Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?

Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Bummer!
To day is another day. :-(

Now it crashes again and on the same exact spot. I finally tried to
remove Chapter 3 from the book. This way the book printed OK to ps.
Then I printed Chapter 3 separately (also with bookmarks) and inserted
that into the distilled pdf from the book, moved the bookmarks to the
right place and everything works fine apart from the links in the ToC
to Chapter 3 which think that there must be some different file to
look for. I can live with that in this case.

This leads me to think that Chapter 3 maybe takes up too much
resources or memory. It includes some 6 tifs and 15 eps graphics
(referenced) which are in fact mostly full pages from pdf documents.

Can anyone comment on how XP SP2 memory or resources deal with EPSs in FM?

Bodvar

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> Art,
>
> I am utterly flabbergasted! This worked. Thanks.
>
> In the early times of FM7.2 and/or Acrobat6 or 7 (IIRC), crashes were
> bound to happen if the Generate Tagged PDF" was not set.
> And now Dov tells us that another "must" has to be the other way
> around. I am referring to the language level setting in EPS made from
> AI.
>
> This is a weird day.
> I hope this will stick for some time. I would hate to wake up
> tomorrow, finding out that the things that worked today will not or
> that there is something else that I have been doing "right" for years
> must be done the other way around. :-(
>
> It is time for "my tea" as the Englishmen say, so I am going home now.
>
> Thanks to everyone that helped -- or tried to.
>
> One final word to Adobe: Please make effort to make FM stable in
> handling all sorts of situation. I am really getting tired of the all
> to frequent surprises.
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Air Atlanta Icelandic
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Art Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Try toggling the Generate Tagged PDF setting for the book
>> Art
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> wrote:
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> Bodvar
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Art Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Can you print Chapter 4 to PDF by itself?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 wrote:
> I tried this now and same results.
>
> Bodvar
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>> No, I had not tried that yet.
>> One funny thing. When processing the files with all book components
>> open, I get recovery files of all files except Chapter 4.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) <[EMAIL 
>> PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Bodvar,
>>> Have you tried removing the EPS on page 6 of chapter 4 and seeing if it
>>> distills successfully?
>>> I have had issues such as you describe, right down to missing text, and
>>> it has always come down to a problematic EPS image.
>>>
>>> Berny Gagne
>>> Lead Writer
>>> Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
>>> Bolton, Ontario, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bodvar
>>> Bjorgvinsson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:31 AM
>>> To: Frame Users
>>> Subject: Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5
>>>
>>> Thanks Art,
>>>
>>> I have a script that runs at shutdown that deletes the FNTCACHE.DAT
>>> file, so no problem there.
>>> About unnecessary apps, there is always a lot of processes that are
>>> running, but, yes, I have after reboot deleted all unnecessary
>>> applications before printing again to ps. And only Friday I processed a
>>> book 2,5 times larger without a glitch -- i.e. after I had changed one
>>> offending graphic.
>>>
>>> Bodvar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Art Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
 OK,
 It sounds as if you have two problems, crashing and missing text.
 Have you applied the standard fix for missing text: deleting the
 C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting? And then distilling
 without opening any unnecessary applications?

 ***
 What version of Acrobat / Distiller are you using, and why are you
 doing a two-step process, printing a PS file and then distilling?

 Art

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
> This is weird. I am working on a nonstructured FM (7.2) book and when
>>>
> printing to ps with bookmarks (and tagged or untagged) it always
> crashes on the same spot, page 5 of Chapter 4. I can distill the ps
> file and it looks fine all the way through chapter 3, but even on the
>>>
> firs

Re: Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Mathieu,

assuming that you're using Frame in Windows, this is what causes the
problem:

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=324220&sliceId=1

You can try the workarounds which are described in the above article, but be
careful with color conversions, e.g. from RGB back to CMYK. I'd use a color
remapping instead.

This is my workaround:

   1. I create custom colors in FrameMaker, for example "company color 1"
   and "company color 2".
   2. I specify CMYK values for these colors, although they don't really
   matter here because they will be converted to RGB in the PDF anyway.
   3. I Acrobat, I use Enfocus PitStop Professional as a plug-in.
   4. Using Enfocus PitStop, I create an Action List (or a PDF profile) in
   which I set up my color remapping scheme to remap all RGB colors with
   specific RGB values to a specific Pantone color (or CMYK).
   5. I generate a preflight report to check (and correct) the colors in my
   PDF document.

This is the only way in which I can assure color consistency and fix
incorrect colors globally. In Frame, you can specify colors in the Paragraph
Designer and the Character Designer, but also on Reference Pages, Master
Pages, tables and what have you. And you may even import EPS line art which
has similar, but different colors. All of these can be checked, managed and
corrected in the PDF.

Kind regards


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Instructor
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:03 PM, mathieu jacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> a client sent me his color guide containing the color definitions he uses
> for logos, graphical objects, etc.
>
> He uses mainly the following blue and purple definitions :
>
> . PANTONE  5395 C (dark blue) / CMYK (100, 44, 0, 76)
> . PANTONE 5425 C (light blue) / CMYK (30, 4, 0, 31)
> . PANTONE 246 C (purple) / CMYK (29, 90, 0, 0)
>
> I have created a line in Adobe illustrator using the Pantone 246 C colour
> and imported it in the reference pages of my FrameMaker doc to use it as a
> graphical frame to be called by a paragraph tag ("frame below"...not sure,
> I'm using a French version).
>
> When I print to pdf, the colour of the line matches perfectly that of the
> company logo, which is imported as .eps in my template.
>
> Now, I have created a paragraph tag. I want its color to be identical to
> that of the line and logo, which is PANTONE 246 C. I have looked into the
> FrameMaker colour library and found a Pantone 246 CVC, which is, as I have
> read here and there, identical to 246 C but for computer video, whereas the
> 246 C is for coated paper printing.
>
> In CMYK terms, the two colors are different, since one (246 C) is CMYK (29,
> 90, 0, 0) and the other (246 CVC) is CMYK (30, 91, 0, 0) but on the FM
> interface, they look identical. So so far so good, I have set the color of
> the pragraph tag to Pantone 246 CVC.
>
> The problem is that when I print to pdf, the colours are different...
>
> Where can the problem come from. From my Adobe job options?
> The manuel won't be printed, only read on screen: which option or which
> Adobe PDF color settings am I supposed to use?
>
> Thank you very much for your help,
>
> Mathieu.
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Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

a client sent me his color guide containing the color definitions he uses for 
logos, graphical objects, etc.

He uses mainly the following blue and purple definitions :

. PANTONE  5395 C (dark blue) / CMYK (100, 44, 0, 76)
. PANTONE 5425 C (light blue) / CMYK (30, 4, 0, 31)
. PANTONE 246 C (purple) / CMYK (29, 90, 0, 0)

I have created a line in Adobe illustrator using the Pantone 246 C colour and 
imported it in the reference pages of my FrameMaker doc to use it as a 
graphical frame to be called by a paragraph tag ("frame below"...not sure, I'm 
using a French version).

When I print to pdf, the colour of the line matches perfectly that of the 
company logo, which is imported as .eps in my template.

Now, I have created a paragraph tag. I want its color to be identical to that 
of the line and logo, which is PANTONE 246 C. I have looked into the FrameMaker 
colour library and found a Pantone 246 CVC, which is, as I have read here and 
there, identical to 246 C but for computer video, whereas the 246 C is for 
coated paper printing. 

In CMYK terms, the two colors are different, since one (246 C) is CMYK (29, 90, 
0, 0) and the other (246 CVC) is CMYK (30, 91, 0, 0) but on the FM interface, 
they look identical. So so far so good, I have set the color of the pragraph 
tag to Pantone 246 CVC.

The problem is that when I print to pdf, the colours are different...

Where can the problem come from. From my Adobe job options? 
The manuel won't be printed, only read on screen: which option or which Adobe 
PDF color settings am I supposed to use?

Thank you very much for your help,

Mathieu.
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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

[Austin Meredith]

Acrobat Pro 9 is just being released. Since we presently distill our 
FM8 files into PDFs with Acrobat8 -- should we upgrade immediately to 
Acrobat9, or should we "wait for the dust to settle"?


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Re: Printing Error with FM

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Sorry, and thanks for pointing that out, Dov. I did not read the thread through.
I am relieved. :-)

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bodvar,
>
> You must read my response in CONTEXT to the thread. The OP wanted
> a solution to printing directly from FrameMaker to a PostScript
> language level 2 printer. In that case, EPS must be no more than
> language level 2. That being said, my original response recommended
> as the best solution to simply create PDF and print from Reader or
> Acrobat. With that solution PostScript language level 3 EPS is no
> longer a problem and should be what you import into FrameMaker
> documents.
>
>- Dov
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:16 AM
>> To: Dov Isaacs
>> Cc: Tim Lewis; framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM
>>
>> Hi Dov,
>>
>> This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
>> EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
>> Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
>> (see message thread "FM Crash chapter 4 page 5")?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
>> > TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
>> > Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
>> > PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and "edit"
>> > the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
>> >
>> > If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
>> > check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
>> > as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
>> > of your problems!
>> >
>> >- Dov
>



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Re: Printing Error with FM

[Paul Findon]

On 5 Jun 2008, at 08:38, Michael Müller-Hillebrand wrote:

> Loosely connected to this:
>
> Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were
> supported by which FrameMaker versions?
>
>  From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator
> CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need
> some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator .

Hi Michael,

I don't think it makes a lot of difference, although I'm prepared to  
be enlightened :-) Certainly something I've never come across, and we  
use EPS files saved as Illustrator EPS versions 8.0, 9.0, 10, and  
CS2. I just knocked up a quick graphic and saved it as EPS CS2 and it  
imports OK into Mac FrameMaker 6.0.

As long as the EPS file has the following header, FrameMaker will  
import it.

"%!PS-Adobe-3.1 EPSF-3.0"

Why do we use Illustrator 8.0 files? Well, the following quick  
translation from "DTP & Insatsu Super Encyclopaedia 2008," a yearly  
Japanese DTP publication, may shed some light.

"Even though several years have past since Mac OS 9 was discontinued,  
and Macs that run the Classic Environment are no longer on sale, many  
users are still using using Mac OS 9, Illustrator 8, and QuarkXPress  
3.3 for DTP. The reason is that if a printer, designer, DTP operator,  
output bureau, printer, etc., changes their own system, they'll  
become incompatible with everyone else in the publishing chain. This  
is a big difference with Web designers who generally don't have to  
rely on others in their work."

Paul
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RoboHelp Packager for Adobe AIR - Beta 2 Announced

[Vivek Jain]

RoboHelp Packager for Adobe AIR is now updated.  You can download the
new version for FREE from Adobe labs -
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/robohelp/. It has added a long list
of novel features - first time for a HATT.  Now, besides multiple tabs,
favorites, commenting and multiple skins like Multi-Tab Accordion and
Uni-pane Help, you have another set of new features.

Designed for End Customers - Adobe AIR based Help templates have been
designed keeping in view the end customer. They have some high-end
navigation features like Mini TOC, Breadcrumbs, etc. Apart from these
capabilities, the new Adobe AIR based Help also empowers the end
customers to customize the Help. An end customer can set their own
preferences and customize Help as desired.

Compelling Rich Branded Experience- RoboHelp Packager for Adobe AIR
provides a compelling rich user experience. It includes templates that
help authors package the same content into three completely different
styles - Multi-Tab Accordion, Uni-Pane or the Classic Tri-Pane Help.
Apart from this it also helps the Authors brand the Help as per
Corporate Branding Guidelines. It provides support for the addition of a
Company Logo and a Punch line in the main Help window. Apart from this
it also provides an About Box in the Help that details the version,
description, copyrights, logos etc.

Auto Update -Adobe AIR based Help applications provide an Auto Update
feature using which updates can be pushed to all installed connected
versions of Help. Usually, the Help content bundled with the application
is never updated, while the web content is updated with current feature
enhancements and additional resources. Adobe AIR based Help provides you
with the option to publish updates for your end users at a common server
location. The Adobe AIR based Help is intelligent enough to check for
updates and prompts users to apply updates when it detects a new version
is available.

Review Workflows / Personalization of Help

Adobe AIR based help files can be configured in such a way that you can
add comments to topics and publish those comments at a common location.
This feature enables a complete review workflow, whether or not the
reviewer is a part of your group/organization.

*   Reviewers within your network: Reviewers can publish their
comments to an XML file on a shared folder. They can also synchronize
the comments from other reviewers on the same network. This enable
multiple reviewers to simultaneously view the comments being made by
other reviewers as they review.
*   Reviewers outside your network: You can send the .air file to
these reviewers who can then export their comments to an XML file and
send it to you. You can import these comments into your Adobe AIR
application. 

Apart from the rewire workflow, the feature is designed to help an end
customer personalize Help by adding comments on the same. These comments
will not be uploaded to the server, however can be exported to a file
and shred with friends over email.

New Classic help Template - A new template called Classic Help has been
added. It is named Classic because it is a Tri-Pane Help. Apart from
that it has got all the power of any other Adobe AIR based Help
template. This template has a new feature called "How do I" that lists
all the browse sequences defined in the WebHelp. We recommend that
authors design their browse sequences in such a way that they provide
complete workflow information to end customers.

Supports Packaging of Merged WebHelp- RoboHelp Packager for Adobe AIR
now supports merged WebHelp. If an author specifies the WebHelp folder
of a Master project, the Packager is intelligent enough to detect and
convert all referenced projects in the Master Project. However, one
needs to be careful while using this feature. It doesn't provide as much
flexibility as Merged WebHelp. A new Package needs to be created every
time even when you update any of the sub projects. 

In Beta 2, zoom works flawlessly and search results has been further
improved.  

If you have not tried the RoboHelp Packager for Adobe AIR, you can
download it now for FREE (Adobe RoboHelp 7 required).

Thanks and regards
Vivek Jain

Group Product Manager, Adobe Systems
Adobe Technical Communication Suite, FrameMaker and  RoboHelp
www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/
blog- http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/
RoboHelp Packager for Adobe AIR-
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/robohelp/

Re: Printing Error with FM

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Loosely connected to this:

Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were  
supported by which FrameMaker versions?

 From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator  
CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need  
some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator .

Thanks,

- Michael


Am 04.06.2008 um 17:18 schrieb Dov Isaacs:

> .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
> TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
> Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
> PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and  
> "edit"
> the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
>
> If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe  
> Illustrator,
> check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
> as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the  
> cause
> of your problems!

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