date:20080606

Re: FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

2008-06-06 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

All the pages were EPS'd from PDF according to the old Gospel. ;-)
I will, when I get the time again, try the PDF approach, as so many
have suggested and I have successfully done in many other (more
recently prepared) manuals. At least I have not had any problems with
such pdfs to speak of.

Again, thanks to all that helped or tried to. This list is really something. :-)

Bodvar

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You say all those EPSs are pages from PDF documents. Have you tried
 importing them directly as PDF images? I'm thinking that perhaps the
 raster preview images that are required for the EPSs might be clogging
 your available memory. Importing PDFs directly eliminates the need for
 the bulky preview images because the PDF can be directly rendered
 on-screen.

 -FR

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RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Duncan, Gary

No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the formatting
bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My
tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I
couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that.

-Original Message-
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM
To: Duncan, Gary
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

You mean: View  Formatting Bar ?

Bodvar

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show
on
 the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot
 remember how I got it to show.

 Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar?

 Thank you...

 Gary

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Re: FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

2008-06-06 Thread Art Campbell

Or before you do that, you may want to clarify and question Mike's
opinion on version compatibility, which I think is different than
Adobe's.

Mike's take is that Acrobat and Reader interact in some way that can
cause problems. And I disagree. As far as I know, Adobe has always
recommended that only one version of Acrobat be installed on a system.
This is the key point. Acrobat requirements do not equate to Reader
requirements.

Reader is a separate product that doesn't conflict or inter-operate
with Acrobat binaries. It's common practice to have a couple versions
of Reader installed on a box so that you can test your PDFs with
multiple versions. I've run multiple copies of Reader on a number of
systems and it hasn't produced any errors or crashes that I'm aware
of. As far as I know, Reader installations don't remove previous
versions of Reader unless a known conflict exists, and don't touch
Acrobat installations at all.

Cheers,
Art


On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, Austin:

 You can enter a formal request at

 http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

 You might want to request that the installer test for and report the
 presence of conflicting Acrobat installations.

 On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Austin Meredith
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dov, I'm wondering if you should alert Adobe to revise their
 installation instructions for Adobe Acrobat: that they should include
 as an initial step in their instructions, the purging of the Adobe
 Reader from the user's machine.

 Regards,

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RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Lester C. Smalley

Does your colleague have any custom utilities installed?  Do you?

Some tools reprogrammed the formatting bar to show alternative
information, so I suspect the differences between the two copies are a
result of having some third-party tool loaded which modifies to toolbar.

On Friday, June 06, 2008 09:55, Duncan, Gary wrote:
 
| No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the
formatting
| bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My
| tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I
| couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that.
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM
| To: Duncan, Gary
| Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
| Subject: Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
| 
| You mean: View  Formatting Bar ?
| 
| Bodvar
| 
| On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
| 
|  Hi everyone,
| 
|  A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show
on
|  the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot
|  remember how I got it to show.
| 
|  Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar?
| 
|  Thank you...
| 
| 
|  Gary


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RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Phil Heron

Which version of FrameMaker are you using?

Several new icons were added to the formatting toolbar for V7.2,
including the one for font size. If you have a previous version of
FrameMaker chances are you won't have the new icon.

Phil Heron
Technical Writer - CODA

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duncan, Gary
Sent: 06 June 2008 14:55
To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the formatting
bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My
tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I
couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that.

-Original Message-
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM
To: Duncan, Gary
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

You mean: View  Formatting Bar ?

Bodvar

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Hi everyone,



 A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show
on
 the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot 
 remember how I got it to show.



 Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar?



 Thank you...



 Gary

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Re: FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

2008-06-06 Thread Mike Wickham

 Mike's take is that Acrobat and Reader interact in some way that can
 cause problems. And I disagree...

 Reader is a separate product that doesn't conflict or inter-operate
 with Acrobat binaries

Art, I could swear that I've heard Dov say there are possible issues, not 
only with multiple versions of Acrobat or Reader on the same computer, but 
even with having only the same version of both on one machine. But I could 
be remembering it wrong. I'm sure Dov will jump in and straighten us all 
out.

I'm curious if ridding the extra versions fixed Austin's problem. His wish 
that Adobe's installer prevented this issue makes it sound like it was the 
fix for him.

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RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Combs, Richard

Duncan, Gary wrote:
 
 No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the
formatting
 bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My
 tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I
 couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that.

FM's toolbars, menus, and commands are specified in plain text
configuration files and relatively easy to customize. See
Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf in your FM installation's OnlineManuals
directory. 

The first thing you may want to do is check the [Files] section of
maker.ini to see if a custom toolbar configuration file has been
installed. Something like this: 

ToolBarIniFile=fminit\configui\PolycomFMToolbr.ini 

Open either your custom toolbar file, if any, or the default
(FMToolbr.ini) and find the [Ribbon Bar] section. Mine (FM 7.2) looks
like this (I've disabled ad hoc formatting controls): 

[RibbonBar]
HEIGHT=26
Y_OFFSET=1
AlignmentPopup=Off
SpacingPopup=Off
TabWell=On
ParaFormatPalette=On
CharFormatPalette=On
FontChoice=Off
SizePopup=Off
CopySpecial=On
Repeats=On
AlignWell=Off 
SpacingWell=Off 

The order is unchanged from the default, so in a standard FM 7.2
install, the font size list should follow the font list, not the pgf tag
list. 

In any case, if SizePopup=Off, change it to On, save, and start/restart
FM. That should restore the control. If SizePopup is already On, then
... you got me, something's wrong somewhere. :-}

Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many
others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size,
line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be
using defined pgf and char tags. 

Speaking of customizing FM, you may want to look into Shlomo Perets'
customization kit (http://www.microtype.com/ToolbarPlus.html). My own
customizations were built on an earlier version of that, and I highly
recommend it -- you get a _bunch_ of extremely useful new controls,
commands, shortcuts, etc.

HTH!
Richard


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RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Duncan, Gary

Thank you, Richard. I'll take a look at that. Yes, my colleague doesn't
adjust formatting using these controls. She does L10N and it helps her
in some way to see this information as she works. I'm not sure how or
why, but she really wants to see it. I may be able to make her very
happy now :}

Thank you to all who responded. As usual, you're great and I appreciate
the time you take to help...

Gary

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:35 PM
To: Duncan, Gary; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

Duncan, Gary wrote:
 
 No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the
formatting
 bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My
 tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I
 couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that.

FM's toolbars, menus, and commands are specified in plain text
configuration files and relatively easy to customize. See
Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf in your FM installation's OnlineManuals
directory. 

The first thing you may want to do is check the [Files] section of
maker.ini to see if a custom toolbar configuration file has been
installed. Something like this: 

ToolBarIniFile=fminit\configui\PolycomFMToolbr.ini 

Open either your custom toolbar file, if any, or the default
(FMToolbr.ini) and find the [Ribbon Bar] section. Mine (FM 7.2) looks
like this (I've disabled ad hoc formatting controls): 

[RibbonBar]
HEIGHT=26
Y_OFFSET=1
AlignmentPopup=Off
SpacingPopup=Off
TabWell=On
ParaFormatPalette=On
CharFormatPalette=On
FontChoice=Off
SizePopup=Off
CopySpecial=On
Repeats=On
AlignWell=Off 
SpacingWell=Off 

The order is unchanged from the default, so in a standard FM 7.2
install, the font size list should follow the font list, not the pgf tag
list. 

In any case, if SizePopup=Off, change it to On, save, and start/restart
FM. That should restore the control. If SizePopup is already On, then
... you got me, something's wrong somewhere. :-}

Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many
others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size,
line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be
using defined pgf and char tags. 

Speaking of customizing FM, you may want to look into Shlomo Perets'
customization kit (http://www.microtype.com/ToolbarPlus.html). My own
customizations were built on an earlier version of that, and I highly
recommend it -- you get a _bunch_ of extremely useful new controls,
commands, shortcuts, etc.

HTH!
Richard


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Polycom, Inc.
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finding files when path is too deep

2008-06-06 Thread Rene Stephenson

Hello All,

We have a single-sourced architecture with the following basic path structure:

[drive]:\private\[ProductLine]\[Product]\FMfiles\[bookname].book

Since any given .book file can share several .fm files, we often end up with 
.book windows that look like:

[drive:\fullyQualifiedPath\.book]
|_ File1.fm
|_ File2.fm
|_ ..\_CommonText\Boilerplate1.fm
|_ GeneratedTOC.fm
|_ GeneratedLists.fm
|_ File3.fm
|_ ..\[DifferentProductFolder1]\FMfiles\FileA.fm
|_ ..\[DifferentProductFolder1]\FMfiles\FileB.fm
|_ ..\[DifferentProductFolder2]\FMfiles\FilenameZ.fm
|_ ..\[DifferentProductFolder1]\FMfiles\RatherLengthyProductSpecificFilenameY.fm
|_ ..\_CommonText\UniversalGlossary.fm
|_ GeneratedIX.fm

Frequently, the names of the folders plus the file names in the path for a file 
in the book comprise so many characters that FM displays it in the book window 
as:
|_ ..\[DifferentProductFo...uctSpecificFilenameY.fm

This is annoying, but not altogether unworkable...UNTIL a couple of files go 
missing from a .book either because someone changed the file name via access 
from a different .book, or because the path structure somehow changed. Pressing 
F2 in the book window to get the original .fm file name is sometimes of limited 
assistance, but if the file name changed, what we would find most useful is the 
fully qualified path.

Granted, some rather strict naming conventions would help, and I have
preached it for several years now, explaining how keeping paths shallow
and filenames short and both free of spaces and special characters is
the best way to optimize FM file architecture, citing the known issues
and even demonstrating the difference first-hand. But, alas, you can
lead a horse to water but you can't lead a horticulture. g

Is there a way to:

1. Find via FM the fully qualified path that the .book file was using 
but that is truncated in the .book window?
2. Have the .book files in any given path automatically synch up if a 
file name shared by the .book files changes in one of the .book files?
3. Use some plugin prevent this or somehow manage this phenomenon?
Thanks in advance for your insight!

TGIF!


Rene L. Stephenson
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RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Syed.Hosain

 Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many
 others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size,
 line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be
 using defined pgf and char tags.

EXACTLY and TOTALLY right! Thank you!

In other applications, the use (mostly overuse) of this capability is
one of the things that I find most irritating ... when people mess with
a particular document (Word documents and Powerpoint presentations are
the worst!) and then expect things to NOT get screwed up when the
template is changed or updated or someone applies the template to the
particular file.

In FrameMaker, the ability to create char tags, and apply them to text
as needed, is a VITAL feature to prevent uncontrolled (usually
accidental and unknowing) changes in the look and feel of text unrelated
to what you might be modifying on the screen you are on.

Z
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RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Duncan, Gary

Yes, I agree with all. We never make changes using the toolbar. It is
just informational for us.

Thanks again...

Gary

-Original Message-
From: McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Combs, Richard; Duncan, Gary; Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

While Syed and Richard are certainly right about applying changes with
the toolbar, there's certainly nothing wrong with having font size
information located at the top of the screen. For me, at least, having a
quick visual cue about this without having to open a Designer window is
a small time (and screen real estate) saver.

Mike

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Combs, Richard; Duncan, Gary; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

 Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many 
 others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size,

 line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be 
 using defined pgf and char tags.

EXACTLY and TOTALLY right! Thank you!

In other applications, the use (mostly overuse) of this capability is
one of the things that I find most irritating ... when people mess with
a particular document (Word documents and Powerpoint presentations are
the worst!) and then expect things to NOT get screwed up when the
template is changed or updated or someone applies the template to the
particular file.

In FrameMaker, the ability to create char tags, and apply them to text
as needed, is a VITAL feature to prevent uncontrolled (usually
accidental and unknowing) changes in the look and feel of text unrelated
to what you might be modifying on the screen you are on.

Z
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SV: Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing

2008-06-06 Thread Jacob Schäffer

Hi Mathieu,

Our Publi PDF software is tailored especially to solve this specific problem.

Please see: 
http://www.grafikhuset.net/PubliPDF/whitepaper_difficult_pdf_documents.html and 
http://www.grafikhuset.net/publipdf/ for details.

Best regards
Jacob Sch?ffer
Grafikhuset
Paradis All? 22
Raml?se
DK-3200 Helsinge
Tel: +45 4439 4400
Mob: +45 2021 1958 



> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] P? vegne af 
> mathieu jacquet
> Sendt: 5. juni 2008 12:03
> Til: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Emne: Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> a client sent me his color guide containing the color 
> definitions he uses for logos, graphical objects, etc.
> 
> He uses mainly the following blue and purple definitions :
> 
> . PANTONE  5395 C (dark blue) / CMYK (100, 44, 0, 76)
> . PANTONE 5425 C (light blue) / CMYK (30, 4, 0, 31)
> . PANTONE 246 C (purple) / CMYK (29, 90, 0, 0)
> 
> I have created a line in Adobe illustrator using the Pantone 
> 246 C colour and imported it in the reference pages of my 
> FrameMaker doc to use it as a graphical frame to be called by 
> a paragraph tag ("frame below"...not sure, I'm using a French 
> version).
> 
> When I print to pdf, the colour of the line matches perfectly 
> that of the company logo, which is imported as .eps in my template.
> 
> Now, I have created a paragraph tag. I want its color to be 
> identical to that of the line and logo, which is PANTONE 246 
> C. I have looked into the FrameMaker colour library and found 
> a Pantone 246 CVC, which is, as I have read here and there, 
> identical to 246 C but for computer video, whereas the 246 C 
> is for coated paper printing. 
> 
> In CMYK terms, the two colors are different, since one (246 
> C) is CMYK (29, 90, 0, 0) and the other (246 CVC) is CMYK 
> (30, 91, 0, 0) but on the FM interface, they look identical. 
> So so far so good, I have set the color of the pragraph tag 
> to Pantone 246 CVC.
> 
> The problem is that when I print to pdf, the colours are different...
> 
> Where can the problem come from. From my Adobe job options? 
> The manuel won't be printed, only read on screen: which 
> option or which Adobe PDF color settings am I supposed to use?
> 
> Thank you very much for your help,
> 
> Mathieu. 
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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

2008-06-06 Thread Austin Meredith

Dov, I'm wondering if you should alert Adobe to revise their 
installation instructions for Adobe Acrobat: that they should include 
as an initial step in their instructions, the purging of the Adobe 
Reader from the user's machine.

FM Crash chapter 4 page 5

2008-06-06 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

All the pages were EPS'd from PDF according to the old "Gospel". ;-)
I will, when I get the time again, try the PDF approach, as so many
have suggested and I have successfully done in many other (more
recently prepared) manuals. At least I have not had any problems with
such pdfs to speak of.

Again, thanks to all that helped or tried to. This list is really something. :-)

Bodvar

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
> You say all those EPSs are pages from PDF documents. Have you tried
> importing them directly as PDF images? I'm thinking that perhaps the
> raster preview images that are required for the EPSs might be clogging
> your available memory. Importing PDFs directly eliminates the need for
> the "bulky" preview images because the PDF can be directly rendered
> on-screen.
>
> -FR
>
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How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

You mean: View > Formatting Bar ?

Bodvar

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show on
> the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot
> remember how I got it to show.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar?
>
>
>
> Thank you...
>
>
>
> Gary
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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

2008-06-06 Thread Peter Gold

Hi, Austin:

You can enter a formal request at

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

You might want to request that the installer test for and report the
presence of conflicting Acrobat installations.

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Austin Meredith
 wrote:
> Dov, I'm wondering if you should alert Adobe to revise their
> installation instructions for Adobe Acrobat: that they should include
> as an initial step in their instructions, the purging of the Adobe
> Reader from the user's machine.

Regards,

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How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Duncan, Gary

No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the formatting
bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My
tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I
couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that.

-Original Message-
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM
To: Duncan, Gary
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

You mean: View > Formatting Bar ?

Bodvar

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary 
wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show
on
> the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot
> remember how I got it to show.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar?
>
>
>
> Thank you...
>
>
>
> Gary
>
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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

2008-06-06 Thread Art Campbell

Or before you do that, you may want to clarify and question Mike's
opinion on version compatibility, which I think is different than
Adobe's.

Mike's take is that Acrobat and Reader interact in some way that can
cause problems. And I disagree. As far as I know, Adobe has always
recommended that only one version of Acrobat be installed on a system.
This is the key point. Acrobat requirements do not equate to Reader
requirements.

Reader is a separate product that doesn't conflict or inter-operate
with Acrobat binaries. It's common practice to have a couple versions
of Reader installed on a box so that you can test your PDFs with
multiple versions. I've run multiple copies of Reader on a number of
systems and it hasn't produced any errors or crashes that I'm aware
of. As far as I know, Reader installations don't remove previous
versions of Reader unless a known conflict exists, and don't touch
Acrobat installations at all.

Cheers,
Art

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Hi, Austin:
>
> You can enter a formal request at
>
> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
>
> You might want to request that the installer test for and report the
> presence of conflicting Acrobat installations.
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Austin Meredith
>  wrote:
>> Dov, I'm wondering if you should alert Adobe to revise their
>> installation instructions for Adobe Acrobat: that they should include
>> as an initial step in their instructions, the purging of the Adobe
>> Reader from the user's machine.
>
> Regards,
>
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How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Lester C. Smalley

Does your colleague have any custom utilities installed?  Do you?

Some tools reprogrammed the formatting bar to show alternative
information, so I suspect the differences between the two copies are a
result of having some third-party tool loaded which modifies to toolbar.

On Friday, June 06, 2008 09:55, Duncan, Gary wrote:

| No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the
formatting
| bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My
| tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I
| couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that.
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bodvar at gmail.com]
| Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM
| To: Duncan, Gary
| Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
| Subject: Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
| 
| You mean: View > Formatting Bar ?
| 
| Bodvar
| 
| On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary 
| wrote:
| 
| > Hi everyone,
| 
| > A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show
on
| > the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot
| > remember how I got it to show.
| >
| > Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar?
| >
| > Thank you...
| >
| >
| > Gary


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How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Phil Heron

Which version of FrameMaker are you using?

Several new icons were added to the formatting toolbar for V7.2,
including the one for font size. If you have a previous version of
FrameMaker chances are you won't have the new icon.

Phil Heron
Technical Writer - CODA

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Duncan, Gary
Sent: 06 June 2008 14:55
To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the formatting
bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My
tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I
couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that.

-Original Message-
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bod...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM
To: Duncan, Gary
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

You mean: View > Formatting Bar ?

Bodvar

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary 
wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show
on
> the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot 
> remember how I got it to show.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar?
>
>
>
> Thank you...
>
>
>
> Gary
>
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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

2008-06-06 Thread Mike Wickham

> Mike's take is that Acrobat and Reader interact in some way that can
> cause problems. And I disagree...
>
> Reader is a separate product that doesn't conflict or inter-operate
> with Acrobat binaries

Art, I could swear that I've heard Dov say there are possible issues, not 
only with multiple versions of Acrobat or Reader on the same computer, but 
even with having only the same version of both on one machine. But I could 
be remembering it wrong. I'm sure Dov will jump in and straighten us all 
out.

I'm curious if ridding the extra versions fixed Austin's problem. His wish 
that Adobe's installer prevented this issue makes it sound like it was the 
fix for him.

Mike Wickham

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Combs, Richard

Duncan, Gary wrote:

> No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the
formatting
> bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My
> tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I
> couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that.

FM's toolbars, menus, and commands are specified in plain text
configuration files and relatively easy to customize. See
Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf in your FM installation's OnlineManuals
directory. 

The first thing you may want to do is check the [Files] section of
maker.ini to see if a custom toolbar configuration file has been
installed. Something like this: 

ToolBarIniFile=fminit\configui\PolycomFMToolbr.ini 

Open either your custom toolbar file, if any, or the default
(FMToolbr.ini) and find the [Ribbon Bar] section. Mine (FM 7.2) looks
like this (I've disabled ad hoc formatting controls): 

[RibbonBar]
HEIGHT=26
Y_OFFSET=1
AlignmentPopup=Off
SpacingPopup=Off
TabWell=On
ParaFormatPalette=On
CharFormatPalette=On
FontChoice=Off
SizePopup=Off
CopySpecial=On
Repeats=On
AlignWell=Off 
SpacingWell=Off 

The order is unchanged from the default, so in a standard FM 7.2
install, the font size list should follow the font list, not the pgf tag
list. 

In any case, if SizePopup=Off, change it to On, save, and start/restart
FM. That should restore the control. If SizePopup is already On, then
... you got me, something's wrong somewhere. :-}

Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many
others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size,
line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be
using defined pgf and char tags. 

Speaking of customizing FM, you may want to look into Shlomo Perets'
customization kit (http://www.microtype.com/ToolbarPlus.html). My own
customizations were built on an earlier version of that, and I highly
recommend it -- you get a _bunch_ of extremely useful new controls,
commands, shortcuts, etc.

HTH!
Richard

Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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finding files when path is too deep

2008-06-06 Thread Rene Stephenson

Hello All,

We have a single-sourced architecture with the following basic path structure:

[drive]:\private\[ProductLine]\[Product]\FMfiles\[bookname].book

Since any given .book file can share several .fm files, we often end up with 
.book windows that look like:

[drive:\fullyQualifiedPath\.book]
|_ File1.fm
|_ File2.fm
|_ ..\_CommonText\Boilerplate1.fm
|_ GeneratedTOC.fm
|_ GeneratedLists.fm
|_ File3.fm
|_ ..\[DifferentProductFolder1]\FMfiles\FileA.fm
|_ ..\[DifferentProductFolder1]\FMfiles\FileB.fm
|_ ..\[DifferentProductFolder2]\FMfiles\FilenameZ.fm
|_ ..\[DifferentProductFolder1]\FMfiles\RatherLengthyProductSpecificFilenameY.fm
|_ ..\_CommonText\UniversalGlossary.fm
|_ GeneratedIX.fm

Frequently, the names of the folders plus the file names in the path for a file 
in the book comprise so many characters that FM displays it in the book window 
as:
|_ ..\[DifferentProductFo...uctSpecificFilenameY.fm

This is annoying, but not altogether unworkable...UNTIL a couple of files go 
"missing" from a .book either because someone changed the file name via access 
from a different .book, or because the path structure somehow changed. Pressing 
F2 in the book window to get the original .fm file name is sometimes of limited 
assistance, but if the file name changed, what we would find most useful is the 
fully qualified path.

Granted, some rather strict naming conventions would help, and I have
preached it for several years now, explaining how keeping paths shallow
and filenames short and both free of spaces and special characters is
the best way to optimize FM file architecture, citing the known issues
and even demonstrating the difference first-hand. But, alas, you can
lead a horse to water but you can't lead a horticulture. 

Is there a way to:

1. Find via FM the fully qualified path that the .book file was using 
but that is truncated in the .book window?
2. Have the .book files in any given path automatically synch up if a 
file name shared by the .book files changes in one of the .book files?
3. Use some plugin prevent this or somehow manage this phenomenon?
Thanks in advance for your insight!

TGIF!


Rene L. Stephenson

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net

> Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many
> others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size,
> line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be
> using defined pgf and char tags.

EXACTLY and TOTALLY right! Thank you!

In other applications, the use (mostly overuse) of this capability is
one of the things that I find most irritating ... when people mess with
a particular document (Word documents and Powerpoint presentations are
the worst!) and then expect things to NOT get screwed up when the
template is changed or updated or someone applies the template to the
particular file.

In FrameMaker, the ability to create char tags, and apply them to text
as needed, is a VITAL feature to prevent uncontrolled (usually
accidental and unknowing) changes in the look and feel of text unrelated
to what you might be modifying on the screen you are on.

Z

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant)

While Syed and Richard are certainly right about applying changes with
the toolbar, there's certainly nothing wrong with having font size
information located at the top of the screen. For me, at least, having a
quick visual cue about this without having to open a Designer window is
a small time (and screen real estate) saver.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Syed.Hosain at aeris.net
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Combs, Richard; Duncan, Gary; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

> Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many 
> others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size,

> line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be 
> using defined pgf and char tags.

EXACTLY and TOTALLY right! Thank you!

In other applications, the use (mostly overuse) of this capability is
one of the things that I find most irritating ... when people mess with
a particular document (Word documents and Powerpoint presentations are
the worst!) and then expect things to NOT get screwed up when the
template is changed or updated or someone applies the template to the
particular file.

In FrameMaker, the ability to create char tags, and apply them to text
as needed, is a VITAL feature to prevent uncontrolled (usually
accidental and unknowing) changes in the look and feel of text unrelated
to what you might be modifying on the screen you are on.

Z
___

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread Duncan, Gary

Yes, I agree with all. We never make changes using the toolbar. It is
just informational for us.

Thanks again...

Gary

-Original Message-
From: McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant)
[mailto:Michael.McCallister at ge.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:36 PM
To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net; Combs, Richard; Duncan, Gary; Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

While Syed and Richard are certainly right about applying changes with
the toolbar, there's certainly nothing wrong with having font size
information located at the top of the screen. For me, at least, having a
quick visual cue about this without having to open a Designer window is
a small time (and screen real estate) saver.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Syed.Hosain at aeris.net
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Combs, Richard; Duncan, Gary; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

> Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many 
> others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size,

> line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be 
> using defined pgf and char tags.

EXACTLY and TOTALLY right! Thank you!

In other applications, the use (mostly overuse) of this capability is
one of the things that I find most irritating ... when people mess with
a particular document (Word documents and Powerpoint presentations are
the worst!) and then expect things to NOT get screwed up when the
template is changed or updated or someone applies the template to the
particular file.

In FrameMaker, the ability to create char tags, and apply them to text
as needed, is a VITAL feature to prevent uncontrolled (usually
accidental and unknowing) changes in the look and feel of text unrelated
to what you might be modifying on the screen you are on.

Z
___

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

2008-06-06 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net

> Yes, I agree with all. We never make changes using the toolbar. It is
> just informational for us.
> 
> Thanks again...

Good! Sorry I got so emphatic in my e-mail, but it is one of my pet
peeves about documentation problems and I got carried away. :)

By the way, since you are just *looking* at the info rather than
*applying* it, one other thing that you can do to see what the font,
size, etc. are for a given location of the cursor is simple: Just leave
the Char Designer menu open (or the Paragraph Designer menu open to the
"Default Font" tab) and you can see *all* the format info on those menus
wherever the cursor is placed! A large wide-screen helps, of course to
leave those menus open at the side (I use a 24" wide-screen Dell LCD for
this purpose).

You can use the Leximation plug-in called "RestoreWindows" to bring
those other menus up automatically ... see www.leximation.com for more
info on this.

Z

Widow Word on Widow Line . . .

2008-06-06 Thread Richard Doll

The System: Dell Precision 490 WorkStation, WinXP SP2, 2G mem, Dual 20-in 
Monitors, FM-7.2-w/upgrades, 2 80G SATA drives.

Project: 600pp SGML Catalog w/2-indicies.

Issue: After 10+ years of production, customer wishes to no longer need to 
mark proofs for *widowed widows*.

Widows are currently satisfactorily controlled with the Format> Paragraph> 
Pagination >Widow/Orphan Lines quantity.

The "Widowed Widow" is the last 2 lines of a paragraph in which the 
widowed/last  "line" contains only, a single word.

How can I control this occurance in FM.

Using VisualBasic, I can/have searched the SGML data file for the end of an 
Element "

Widow Word on Widow Line . . .

2008-06-06 Thread Lynne A. Price

At 02:41 PM 6/6/2008, Richard Doll wrote:
>...replace this "found" space with the character entity  as defined in
>the ISOnum file.
>What results is text of "\x11" which is exactly what the 7.2 Quick Reference
>p3.4 says to use in Standard Character Set Input.
>Page 1.12 - Finding and Changing Special Characters says . . . to find
>NoBreakSpace . . . type \[space].
>
>Is there something missing in my "SGML/Open" process or, is this a bug
>Should I just Search for the text \x11 and replace each occurrence with
>\[space] or Esc[space]h or Cntrl[space].

Dick,
   Have you opened the SGML document with the  entity references? Are 
there error messages? Do the non-breaking spaces import into the document? 
How do they look?
   There are different ways to represent the non-breaking space character. 
Internally, FrameMaker uses character code 0x11 (which is sometimes written 
\x11). To enter the character into a FrameMaker document, you can type the 
sequence Esc space h or Ctrl-space. To enter the character into a dialog 
box (such as the Find/Change dialog box), type \ followed by a space. To 
see non-breaking spaces in the FrameMaker document, turn on text symbols 
(View > Text Symbols). The non-breaking space looks like the bottom half of 
a little square.
 --Lynne



Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
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best graphic type to use for WINhelp4

2008-06-06 Thread Bruce Megan (Telex)

Hello All, 

Does anyone know the best file type and resolution to use for graphics
(screen shots) in RoboHelp (WinHelp4). I am running XP with Robohelp for
Word 6.

Thanks in Advance for all the responses.



Megan Bruce
Documentation Specialist (STNA/Engineering)
Bosch Communications Systems 

Telex Communications Inc.
12000 Portland Ave. S.
Burnsville, Minnesota 55337
USA
www.boschcommunications.com   

Tel: 952 736 3910
mailto:megan.bruce at us.bosch.com

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finding files when path is too deep

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SV: Pantone C vs CVC / Screen printing

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FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

FM8 and Acrobat Pro 9

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

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How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar

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