Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions in Framemaker

[Andersen, Verner Engell VEA]

Hey
I am describing a software product and have hundreds of screen shots in
my manual that is to be translated into several languages.
Have you a good idea for directory structure and file naming of graphics
inserted by reference?
 
My idea is the following:
 
Product version x.y
- Generic graphcis
- English
- - Framemaker files
--  Language specific graphics
--  pdf
 
The idea is that by copying the English folder to another language
folder the translator will be up and running and can replace the
language specific graphics.
 
I realize that screen shots with the same name will exist in different
versions and languages, but to use version/language specific graphics
will result days spent in re-importing graphics whenever a new version
of the manual is to be made.
 
How do you solve this issue?
 

Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
Verner Andersen
Technical Writer

Radiometer Medical ApS
Phone +45 3827 3612
Fax +45 3827 2727
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RE: Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions in Framemaker

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi Verner,

I usually use the Archive structure, that is to say an overall directory 
(Product x.y. English) containing, on the same level : 
. the fm files an book file ;
. a graphic directory containing all graphics ;
. a text directory containing all text insets.

I copy paste this overall directory and rename it Product x.y. French (or 
whatever).

(ONLY IF YOU HAVE TRADOS (or whatever CAT tool) : I set up a translation 
folder, which I divide into languages (French, Spanish, etc.). I then divide 
each of the language folder into MIF, ORG and STF folders. Then I convert all 
.fm files to .mif then .rtf or .ttx, and I send these files for translation (a 
translator does not translate straight into Frame)).

The thing is that none of my graphics contains text (I do not actually document 
softs, so I don't have language  specific screenshots), so links stay 
untouched, and the translator does not have to work on graphics. 

If I had language specific graphics, with the structure previously described, I 
could copy them directly into the graphics directory without chaning their 
name and overwrite the ones in the wrong language.
Issue : Generic graphics are copied as many times as your number of languages...

Yours,

Mathieu



 Subject: Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions  
 in Framemaker
 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:50:18 +0200
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Hey
 I am describing a software product and have hundreds of screen shots in
 my manual that is to be translated into several languages.
 Have you a good idea for directory structure and file naming of graphics
 inserted by reference?
  
 My idea is the following:
  
 Product version x.y
 - Generic graphcis
 - English
 - - Framemaker files
 --  Language specific graphics
 --  pdf
  
 The idea is that by copying the English folder to another language
 folder the translator will be up and running and can replace the
 language specific graphics.
  
 I realize that screen shots with the same name will exist in different
 versions and languages, but to use version/language specific graphics
 will result days spent in re-importing graphics whenever a new version
 of the manual is to be made.
  
 How do you solve this issue?
  
 
 Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
 Verner Andersen
 Technical Writer
 
 Radiometer Medical ApS
 Phone +45 3827 3612
 Fax +45 3827 2727
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Re: Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions in Framemaker

[Art Campbell]

Swapping a language-specific \Graphics folder in and out of the
document structure, depending on the language, would certainly work.
All it takes to break it is a slight difference in file naming
conventions though.

Another option is to use conditional text. If each graphic is in a
frame attached to a language-specific anchor paragraph tag, you should
be able to toggle individual or multiple languages on and off at will.

Art

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:53 AM, mathieu jacquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Verner,

 I usually use the Archive structure, that is to say an overall directory 
 (Product x.y. English) containing, on the same level :
 . the fm files an book file ;
 . a graphic directory containing all graphics ;
 . a text directory containing all text insets.

 I copy paste this overall directory and rename it Product x.y. French (or 
 whatever).

 (ONLY IF YOU HAVE TRADOS (or whatever CAT tool) : I set up a translation 
 folder, which I divide into languages (French, Spanish, etc.). I then divide 
 each of the language folder into MIF, ORG and STF folders. Then I convert all 
 .fm files to .mif then .rtf or .ttx, and I send these files for translation 
 (a translator does not translate straight into Frame)).

 The thing is that none of my graphics contains text (I do not actually 
 document softs, so I don't have language  specific screenshots), so links 
 stay untouched, and the translator does not have to work on graphics.

 If I had language specific graphics, with the structure previously described, 
 I could copy them directly into the graphics directory without chaning 
 their name and overwrite the ones in the wrong language.
 Issue : Generic graphics are copied as many times as your number of 
 languages...

 Yours,

 Mathieu



 Subject: Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions 
  in Framemaker
 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:50:18 +0200
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

 Hey
 I am describing a software product and have hundreds of screen shots in
 my manual that is to be translated into several languages.
 Have you a good idea for directory structure and file naming of graphics
 inserted by reference?

 My idea is the following:

 Product version x.y
 - Generic graphcis
 - English
 - - Framemaker files
 --  Language specific graphics
 --  pdf

 The idea is that by copying the English folder to another language
 folder the translator will be up and running and can replace the
 language specific graphics.

 I realize that screen shots with the same name will exist in different
 versions and languages, but to use version/language specific graphics
 will result days spent in re-importing graphics whenever a new version
 of the manual is to be made.

 How do you solve this issue?


 Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
 Verner Andersen
 Technical Writer

 Radiometer Medical ApS
 Phone +45 3827 3612
 Fax +45 3827 2727
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 



 Radiometer Medical ApS
 Akandevej 21
 DK-2700 Bronshoj
 Denmark
 Phone: +45 38 27 38 27
 CVR: 13496188
 




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Off topic: Technical Writer Song

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Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions in Framemaker

[Robert Stoker]

Anyone interested in using language-specific graphics without having  
the hassle of manually re-importing the graphics into each language  
document can contact me off-list. Our Single Source plug-in, which is  
not commercially available, has most of the code required to perform  
this task. If we get enough interest, we can extract the code from  
our Single Source plug-in and make a new plug-in available.

Regards,
Robert Stoker
Seatech Publications, Inc.
www.seatechpubs.com
Office Phone: 360-394-1911
Cell Phone: 360-620-7594




 Hey
 I am describing a software product and have hundreds of screen  
 shots in
 my manual that is to be translated into several languages.
 Have you a good idea for directory structure and file naming of  
 graphics
 inserted by reference?

 My idea is the following:

 Product version x.y
 - Generic graphcis
 - English
 - - Framemaker files
 --  Language specific graphics
 --  pdf

 The idea is that by copying the English folder to another language
 folder the translator will be up and running and can replace the
 language specific graphics.

 I realize that screen shots with the same name will exist in different
 versions and languages, but to use version/language specific graphics
 will result days spent in re-importing graphics whenever a new version
 of the manual is to be made.

 How do you solve this issue?


 Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
 Verner Andersen
 Technical Writer

 Radiometer Medical ApS
 Phone +45 3827 3612
 Fax +45 3827 2727
 verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
 



 Radiometer Medical ApS
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master pages and multiple revisions

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi All!

FM 8.0, XP.

I don't even know how to ask this question.

Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date of
original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross-reference
(I know, I know) on the master page.

If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision
date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you create
a new master page based on the old master page and change the original
cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?

I think that is what to do.

If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we
will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?

Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Re: master pages and multiple revisions

[martin . smith]

Hi,

An alternative would be to create a dedicated, named flow on the  
master page with auto-connect turned off. This would result in a text  
field on each page that you could use to enter the issue or revision  
date.

However, some potential issues come to mind. Whether you use a master  
page or a text flow to track the dates, it is unlikely that the text  
will stay in sync with the master page. As you add new text to the  
document, the text will flow through as many pages as necessary to  
format the document.

An alternative might be to auto-number your highest level headings and  
include a table in the front matter that tracks revisions to the major  
sections in the document.

Best regards,

Martin

Quoting Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi All!

 FM 8.0, XP.

 I don't even know how to ask this question.

 Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date of
 original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross-reference
 (I know, I know) on the master page.

 If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision
 date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you create
 a new master page based on the old master page and change the original
 cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?

 I think that is what to do.

 If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we
 will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?

 Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?

 Thanks,

 Deirdre
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RE: master pages and multiple revisions

[Owen, Clint]

Deirdre,

That's exactly what we do. I create a cross reference marker next to
each revision date on the Record of Revisions page. This date is then
referenced anywhere in the manual that I need that particular date, such
as on the List of Effective Pages or the master page for a new part of
the manual. 

I think you can have up to 100 or so master pages in a chapter.
Depending on you template, you might need Left, Right, Blank, etc.
masters for each rev.

The master pages for the first few revisions can be part of your
template. All you need to do is change the date of each revision once on
the ROR and it is automatically propagated throughout the manual. Then
as you make changes, you just pick the appropriate master page for each
rev.

Clint


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Subject: master pages and multiple revisions

Hi All!

FM 8.0, XP.

I don't even know how to ask this question.

Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date of
original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross-reference (I
know, I know) on the master page.

If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision date
to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you create a new
master page based on the old master page and change the original
cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?

I think that is what to do.

If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we will
have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?

Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Use hypertext command to launch FrameScript macro

[Stephen O'Brien]

I would like to create a hypertext zone in a FM 
doc that launches a FrameScript script...is that 
even possible...any ideas anyone...

Thx

Stephen O'Brien
Rédacteur technique / Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6

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RE: Sort order of entries in an index

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Yep, even just one leading 0 [0100 mm] worked (someone suggested that
offlist). 

Now I think I get how this works better.

Thanks! 


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-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:34 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: Re: Sort order of entries in an index

Hi Linda,


100 mm stud [00100 mm stud]
150 mm stud [00150 mm stud]
200 mm stud [00200 mm stud]
70 mm stud [00070 mm stud]
90 mm stud [00090 mm stud]


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

- Original Message - 
From: Linda G. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Lester C. Smalley' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index


 This question and answer got me looking at the FM help to see how this 
 work.
 But, I'm still not sure how to get some numerics to sort correctly.

 This is what I get:

 100 mm stud
 150 mm stud
 200 mm stud
 70 mm stud
 90 mm stud

 This is what I want:

 70 mm stud
 90 mm stud
 100 mm stud
 150 mm stud
 200 mm stud

 How do I use the [aaa] type of construction to get this to sort?


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Re: Use hypertext command to launch FrameScript macro

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Stephen,

First of all, you need an installed event script that waits for the 
message from the hypertext click. The event script needs a Message event 
that receives the call from the hypertext click.

Event Message
//
Local sMessage(Message);

Display sMessage;
//
EndEvent

Then your Hypertext marker needs the correct syntax:

message fsl Message To Pass To The Script

where

message = the syntax for sending a message to another program.
fsl = the program you are sending the message to
Message To Pass To The Script = a string that is received by the Message 
event and is stored in the sMessage variable.

This should get you started.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


I would like to create a hypertext zone in a FM
doc that launches a FrameScript script...is that
even possible...any ideas anyone...

Thx

Stephen O'Brien
Rédacteur technique / Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
Fax: (418) 688-3001
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.innovmetric.com
PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for Manufacturing 
(TM)

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RE: Sort order of entries in an index

[Linda G. Gallagher]

OK. I must be really slow on the uptake today.

This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:

70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];


But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud. 

studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]

Where did I go wrong here?


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www.techcomplus.com
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-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:34 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: Re: Sort order of entries in an index

Hi Linda,


100 mm stud [00100 mm stud]
150 mm stud [00150 mm stud]
200 mm stud [00200 mm stud]
70 mm stud [00070 mm stud]
90 mm stud [00090 mm stud]


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

- Original Message - 
From: Linda G. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Lester C. Smalley' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index


 This question and answer got me looking at the FM help to see how this 
 work.
 But, I'm still not sure how to get some numerics to sort correctly.

 This is what I get:

 100 mm stud
 150 mm stud
 200 mm stud
 70 mm stud
 90 mm stud

 This is what I want:

 70 mm stud
 90 mm stud
 100 mm stud
 150 mm stud
 200 mm stud

 How do I use the [aaa] type of construction to get this to sort?


 ~
 Linda G. Gallagher
 TechCom Plus, LLC
 lindag at techcomplus dot com
 www.techcomplus.com
 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
 WebWorks ePublisher templates
 


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RE: Sort order of entries in an index

[Combs, Richard]

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
 
 This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:
 
 70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
 90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];
 
 
 But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud.
 
 studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
 studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]
 
 Where did I go wrong here?

Do the first two really look like that? I'd have thought the sort order
for an index level would need to be specified at that level, e.g.:

70 mm stud[070 mm]:roller locations
90 mm stud[090 mm]:roller locations

And to control sort order of the second-level entries, I'd think this
would work:  

studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm] 
studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]

But I'm guessing -- no promises. :-)

Richard


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RE: Sort order of entries in an index

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Yes, this is a copy and paste of the exact marker entry that works for the
numerics:

70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]

Just tried these, but they ended up putting a blank entry (just the page
number, not text) above the Numerics group:

studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm] 
studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]

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-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:24 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
 
 This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:
 
 70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
 90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];
 
 
 But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud.
 
 studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
 studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]
 
 Where did I go wrong here?

Do the first two really look like that? I'd have thought the sort order
for an index level would need to be specified at that level, e.g.:

70 mm stud[070 mm]:roller locations
90 mm stud[090 mm]:roller locations

And to control sort order of the second-level entries, I'd think this
would work:  

studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm] 
studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]

But I'm guessing -- no promises. :-)

Richard


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RE: Sort order of entries in an index

[Lester C. Smalley]

Linda, 

Try adding a space before the opening square bracket of the sort order:

   studs:70 mm roller locations [studs:070 mm]
   studs:90 mm roller locations [studs:090 mm]

Also, it may help if you specify the FM version, OS and platform that
you're working with just in case there are subtle differences (e.g.
platform dependencies) of which readers here are aware.

On Tuesday, July 01, 2008 16:24, Combs, Richard wrote:
 
| Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
| 
|  This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:
| 
|  70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
|  90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];
| 
|  But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud.
| 
|  studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
|  studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]
| 
|  Where did I go wrong here?
| 
| Do the first two really look like that? I'd have thought the sort
order
| for an index level would need to be specified at that level, e.g.:
| 
| 70 mm stud[070 mm]:roller locations
| 90 mm stud[090 mm]:roller locations
| 
| And to control sort order of the second-level entries, I'd think this
| would work:
| 
| studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm]
| studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]
| 
| But I'm guessing -- no promises. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| Richard G. Combs
| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
| --


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Sort order of entries in an index

[steve]

Lester is on the right track...

He said this:

Try adding a space before the opening square bracket of the sort order:

studs:70 mm roller locations [studs:070 mm]
studs:90 mm roller locations [studs:090 mm]

The spaces don't affect the sorting. The importing thing to note is that
the item included in the square brackets must be a complete index entry.
Lester's example is a complete entry in the square brackets, so his
example should sort correctly.

Another common problem with re-sorting is that once Frame encounters the
set of square brackets, it stops parsing the entry. That's why you can't
have entries that look like this:

studs: 70 mm[070 mm]: roller

Instead, the re-sorting should appear at the end:

studs: 70 mm: roller[studs: 070 mm: roller]

Hope this helps.

Steve



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RE: Sort order of entries in an index

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Spacing didn't make any difference. One example in the help shows no spacing
(other examples fall onto a new line in a table, so you can't tell).

Also, must have the first level index entry, or it puts it into the
Numerics, so it must have [stud:70 mm], but it still won't sort under stud
or profiles, but does sort under numerics.

I usually do state version and platform, but thought this was a quick and
easy follow-on to the original posting.

For what it's worth: FM 8 (with the latest updates), Win XP 

Maybe this is a bug? 


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-Original Message-
From: Lester C. Smalley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:12 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

Linda, 

Try adding a space before the opening square bracket of the sort order:

   studs:70 mm roller locations [studs:070 mm]
   studs:90 mm roller locations [studs:090 mm]

Also, it may help if you specify the FM version, OS and platform that
you're working with just in case there are subtle differences (e.g.
platform dependencies) of which readers here are aware.

On Tuesday, July 01, 2008 16:24, Combs, Richard wrote:
 
| Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
| 
|  This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:
| 
|  70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
|  90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];
| 
|  But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud.
| 
|  studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
|  studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]
| 
|  Where did I go wrong here?
| 
| Do the first two really look like that? I'd have thought the sort
order
| for an index level would need to be specified at that level, e.g.:
| 
| 70 mm stud[070 mm]:roller locations
| 90 mm stud[090 mm]:roller locations
| 
| And to control sort order of the second-level entries, I'd think this
| would work:
| 
| studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm]
| studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]
| 
| But I'm guessing -- no promises. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| Richard G. Combs
| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
| --


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RE: Sort order of entries in an index

[Linda G. Gallagher]

What do you mean by a complete index entry? It doesn't seem to have to match
the complete second level portion of the index entry, so I'm not clear.

No matter what I do, space, no space before the [, these still won't sort
right under the stud and rollers first level entries.

 


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Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:22 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Sort order of entries in an index

Lester is on the right track...

He said this:

Try adding a space before the opening square bracket of the sort order:

studs:70 mm roller locations [studs:070 mm]
studs:90 mm roller locations [studs:090 mm]

The spaces don't affect the sorting. The importing thing to note is that
the item included in the square brackets must be a complete index entry.
Lester's example is a complete entry in the square brackets, so his
example should sort correctly.

Another common problem with re-sorting is that once Frame encounters the
set of square brackets, it stops parsing the entry. That's why you can't
have entries that look like this:

studs: 70 mm[070 mm]: roller

Instead, the re-sorting should appear at the end:

studs: 70 mm: roller[studs: 070 mm: roller]

Hope this helps.

Steve



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Re: master pages and multiple revisions

[Alan Litchfield]

This is what I would be inclined to do, what Martin suggested. It  
strikes me as pointless having more master pages than the final  
document page count, when instead you can simply type the date the  
page was edited.

 From your post I think you want any edits on the page to be reflected  
in the date on which it was edited, not just edits to specific  
paragraph styles. Is it true that you want to have this function  
automated too?

What I would do that is different to what has been suggested is to  
manually add the date to the affected page and then cross reference  
that in the revision table cell. Of course then you would the problem  
that new content will extend the page count and the edit dates may  
refer to changes that were made to content that have subsequently  
moved on and no longer on that page. Which then raises another  
question, what constitutes a change to content?

Cheers
Alan

On 2/07/2008, at 5:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 An alternative would be to create a dedicated, named flow on the
 master page with auto-connect turned off. This would result in a text
 field on each page that you could use to enter the issue or revision
 date.

 However, some potential issues come to mind. Whether you use a master
 page or a text flow to track the dates, it is unlikely that the text
 will stay in sync with the master page. As you add new text to the
 document, the text will flow through as many pages as necessary to
 format the document.

 An alternative might be to auto-number your highest level headings and
 include a table in the front matter that tracks revisions to the major
 sections in the document.

 Best regards,

 Martin

 Quoting Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi All!

 FM 8.0, XP.

 I don't even know how to ask this question.

 Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date of
 original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross-reference
 (I know, I know) on the master page.

 If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision
 date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you  
 create
 a new master page based on the old master page and change the  
 original
 cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?

 I think that is what to do.

 If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we
 will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?

 Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?

 Thanks,

 Deirdre
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Re: Use hypertext command to launch FrameScript macro

[Frank Elmore]

To add to what Rick said, there are several methods to use FrameScript with 
hypertext. You can create an event script as Rick suggested or, in 
FrameScript 5.x,  you can specify a standard script to run by including its 
file name in the hypertext command, as follows:

message fsl cmd RunFileScript script file name [arg1][,arg2 ...]]

If you wish you can include the entire script as part of the hypertext 
command.

For more information, look at page 74 of the Users Guide document.

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I would like to create a hypertext zone in a FM
doc that launches a FrameScript script...is that
even possible...any ideas anyone...

Thx

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InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
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Re: master pages and multiple revisions

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks all for these responses.

The solution for my specific issue is to have multiple master pages.

Because of the type of document I'm writing the date has to be in the
footer (so master page) and any page with a change bar has to have a
revision date (so, new master page).

Deirdre



On 7/1/08, Alan Litchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is what I would be inclined to do, what Martin suggested. It strikes me
 as pointless having more master pages than the final document page count,
 when instead you can simply type the date the page was edited.

 From your post I think you want any edits on the page to be reflected in the
 date on which it was edited, not just edits to specific paragraph styles. Is
 it true that you want to have this function automated too?

 What I would do that is different to what has been suggested is to manually
 add the date to the affected page and then cross reference that in the
 revision table cell. Of course then you would the problem that new content
 will extend the page count and the edit dates may refer to changes that were
 made to content that have subsequently moved on and no longer on that page.
 Which then raises another question, what constitutes a change to content?

 Cheers
 Alan


 On 2/07/2008, at 5:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Hi,
 
  An alternative would be to create a dedicated, named flow on the
  master page with auto-connect turned off. This would result in a text
  field on each page that you could use to enter the issue or revision
  date.
 
  However, some potential issues come to mind. Whether you use a master
  page or a text flow to track the dates, it is unlikely that the text
  will stay in sync with the master page. As you add new text to the
  document, the text will flow through as many pages as necessary to
  format the document.
 
  An alternative might be to auto-number your highest level headings and
  include a table in the front matter that tracks revisions to the major
  sections in the document.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Martin
 
  Quoting Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 
   Hi All!
  
   FM 8.0, XP.
  
   I don't even know how to ask this question.
  
   Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date of
   original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross-reference
   (I know, I know) on the master page.
  
   If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision
   date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you create
   a new master page based on the old master page and change the original
   cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?
  
   I think that is what to do.
  
   If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we
   will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?
  
   Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Deirdre
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Re: master pages and multiple revisions

[Alan Litchfield]

Deirdre,

Just because the text is in the position of a footer on a page does  
not mean it therefore has to be on a master page.

Cheers
Alan

On 2/07/2008, at 9:55 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

 Thanks all for these responses.

 The solution for my specific issue is to have multiple master pages.

 Because of the type of document I'm writing the date has to be in the
 footer (so master page) and any page with a change bar has to have a
 revision date (so, new master page).

 Deirdre



 On 7/1/08, Alan Litchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is what I would be inclined to do, what Martin suggested. It  
 strikes me
 as pointless having more master pages than the final document page  
 count,
 when instead you can simply type the date the page was edited.

 From your post I think you want any edits on the page to be  
 reflected in the
 date on which it was edited, not just edits to specific paragraph  
 styles. Is
 it true that you want to have this function automated too?

 What I would do that is different to what has been suggested is to  
 manually
 add the date to the affected page and then cross reference that in  
 the
 revision table cell. Of course then you would the problem that new  
 content
 will extend the page count and the edit dates may refer to changes  
 that were
 made to content that have subsequently moved on and no longer on  
 that page.
 Which then raises another question, what constitutes a change to  
 content?

 Cheers
 Alan


 On 2/07/2008, at 5:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi,

 An alternative would be to create a dedicated, named flow on the
 master page with auto-connect turned off. This would result in a  
 text
 field on each page that you could use to enter the issue or revision
 date.

 However, some potential issues come to mind. Whether you use a  
 master
 page or a text flow to track the dates, it is unlikely that the text
 will stay in sync with the master page. As you add new text to the
 document, the text will flow through as many pages as necessary to
 format the document.

 An alternative might be to auto-number your highest level headings  
 and
 include a table in the front matter that tracks revisions to the  
 major
 sections in the document.

 Best regards,

 Martin

 Quoting Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 Hi All!

 FM 8.0, XP.

 I don't even know how to ask this question.

 Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date  
 of
 original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross- 
 reference
 (I know, I know) on the master page.

 If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision
 date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you  
 create
 a new master page based on the old master page and change the  
 original
 cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?

 I think that is what to do.

 If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we
 will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?

 Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?

 Thanks,

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RE: master pages and multiple revisions

[Owen, Clint]

Deirdre,

There is another little trick that we use if the content of a page has
changed because of additional material on a previous page. 

We create a new master page as before, including the date of the
revision, and put a change bar next to the footer. This indicates to the
user that the flow has changed but not the content. 

This facilitates updating a paper copy of the manual by just replacing
the changed pages, instead of printing the entire book.

Clint


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:55 PM
To: Alan Litchfield
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: master pages and multiple revisions

Thanks all for these responses.

The solution for my specific issue is to have multiple master pages.

Because of the type of document I'm writing the date has to be in the
footer (so master page) and any page with a change bar has to have a
revision date (so, new master page).

Deirdre



On 7/1/08, Alan Litchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is what I would be inclined to do, what Martin suggested. It 
 strikes me as pointless having more master pages than the final 
 document page count, when instead you can simply type the date the
page was edited.

 From your post I think you want any edits on the page to be reflected 
 in the date on which it was edited, not just edits to specific 
 paragraph styles. Is it true that you want to have this function
automated too?

 What I would do that is different to what has been suggested is to 
 manually add the date to the affected page and then cross reference 
 that in the revision table cell. Of course then you would the problem 
 that new content will extend the page count and the edit dates may 
 refer to changes that were made to content that have subsequently
moved on and no longer on that page.
 Which then raises another question, what constitutes a change to
content?

 Cheers
 Alan


 On 2/07/2008, at 5:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Hi,
 
  An alternative would be to create a dedicated, named flow on the 
  master page with auto-connect turned off. This would result in a 
  text field on each page that you could use to enter the issue or 
  revision date.
 
  However, some potential issues come to mind. Whether you use a 
  master page or a text flow to track the dates, it is unlikely that 
  the text will stay in sync with the master page. As you add new text

  to the document, the text will flow through as many pages as 
  necessary to format the document.
 
  An alternative might be to auto-number your highest level headings 
  and include a table in the front matter that tracks revisions to the

  major sections in the document.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Martin
 
  Quoting Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 
   Hi All!
  
   FM 8.0, XP.
  
   I don't even know how to ask this question.
  
   Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date 
   of original issue on it. The date of original issue is a 
   cross-reference (I know, I know) on the master page.
  
   If you want to make changes to a document and you want the 
   revision date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, 
   do you create a new master page based on the old master page and 
   change the original cross-reference to a cross-reference to the
revision date?
  
   I think that is what to do.
  
   If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we

   will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?
  
   Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Deirdre
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3 pts at top of col. 1 ... gone

[Richard Doll]

Windows XP - SP 2
Dell 490 WorkStation, 2-meg mem, 2 80-meg disks, dual monitors
FrameMaker 7.2p158, Acrobat 7.1.0, GhostScript 8.60,  Publi PDF 1.50.0292

SGML 2-column Catalog with Foredge aligned running heads (2/pg) and foredge 
bleed Section numbers in one col. table-12rows deep.

1. Running Head A - 15pt, aligned to the foredge SECTION NAME - text from 
Element A attribute - on Master Pg
2. Running Head B - 28pt, aligned to the foreedge Product Name - text from 
Element B attribute - on Master Pg
3. Top of Page - The Element after/adjacent to the Head B Element is called 
top, in 2pt (can't be made less) type on 0 line space, only function is to 
cause a Top of Next Page.
4. First text line - contains 2 Elements (Run-in Paragraph) for indexing 
only.- 6pt on 7, white
5. Second text line - contains 3 Elements (Rin-in-Paragraphs) for indexing 
only - 6pt on2 - white
6. Product Title - Element is 1st visable black type in a 1-col. table 
with a 35% of color tint background

ISSUE: Upon the1st page and every following page (R or L) when the next RH-B 
Element occures, the main/general text flow, has (only in col. 1), the 1st 
line of text printing 3pts higher, which is the first line of visable text 
(6.) after the Running head B Element (2.).

At 400%; a 6pt straight-line rule drawn (with its + cursor exactly on the 
top edge of . . .) from a left offending table across the col. margin to 
the adjacent/right col. Product Title table has the thick rule lay exactly 
on the tables top edge. Thus I say the dif. betw. the cols. is 3pts.

I have looked at the 4 MasterPage format definitions at font sizes, line 
spacing and space around this text ... both A's and B's  are identical.
NO format definitions from 1 through 6 - which is 9 formats have [negative 
(above)] spacing and all spacing is the same.

SECTIONSECTION--- A 
Head
OldProdName   NewProdName--- B Head
|---|  |---|   |---|  |---|   --- Top 
of Col Boundary
 TextTextTe
TextTextTe  TextTextTe^   TextTextTe
  |
  
|_ 
LIKE THIS!!! WITH THE TEXT BLEEDING
 
  above the Master Page boundary ???  ?? ?
What else might I look for to correct the problem?

best to all,

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Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions in Framemaker

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi Verner,

I usually use the "Archive" structure, that is to say an overall directory 
(Product x.y. English) containing, on the same level : 
. the fm files an book file ;
. a "graphic" directory containing all graphics ;
. a "text" directory containing all text insets.

I copy paste this overall directory and rename it Product x.y. French (or 
whatever).

(ONLY IF YOU HAVE TRADOS (or whatever CAT tool) : I set up a translation 
folder, which I divide into languages (French, Spanish, etc.). I then divide 
each of the language folder into MIF, ORG and STF folders. Then I convert all 
.fm files to .mif then .rtf or .ttx, and I send these files for translation (a 
translator does not translate straight into Frame)).

The thing is that none of my graphics contains text (I do not actually document 
softs, so I don't have language  specific screenshots), so links stay 
untouched, and the translator does not have to work on graphics. 

If I had language specific graphics, with the structure previously described, I 
could copy them directly into the "graphics" directory without chaning their 
name and overwrite the ones in the wrong language.
Issue : Generic graphics are copied as many times as your number of languages...

Yours,

Mathieu



> Subject: Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions  
> in Framemaker
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:50:18 +0200
> From: verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Hey
> I am describing a software product and have hundreds of screen shots in
> my manual that is to be translated into several languages.
> Have you a good idea for directory structure and file naming of graphics
> inserted by reference?
>  
> My idea is the following:
>  
> Product version x.y
> - Generic graphcis
> - English
> - - Framemaker files
> --  Language specific graphics
> --  pdf
>  
> The idea is that by copying the English folder to another language
> folder the translator will be up and running and can replace the
> language specific graphics.
>  
> I realize that screen shots with the same name will exist in different
> versions and languages, but to use version/language specific graphics
> will result days spent in re-importing graphics whenever a new version
> of the manual is to be made.
>  
> How do you solve this issue?
>  
> 
> Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
> Verner Andersen
> Technical Writer
> 
> Radiometer Medical ApS
> Phone +45 3827 3612
> Fax +45 3827 2727
> verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> DK-2700 Bronshoj 
> Denmark 
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Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions in Framemaker

[Art Campbell]

Swapping a language-specific \Graphics folder in and out of the
document structure, depending on the language, would certainly work.
All it takes to break it is a slight difference in file naming
conventions though.

Another option is to use conditional text. If each graphic is in a
frame attached to a language-specific anchor paragraph tag, you should
be able to toggle individual or multiple languages on and off at will.

Art

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:53 AM, mathieu jacquet  wrote:
>
> Hi Verner,
>
> I usually use the "Archive" structure, that is to say an overall directory 
> (Product x.y. English) containing, on the same level :
> . the fm files an book file ;
> . a "graphic" directory containing all graphics ;
> . a "text" directory containing all text insets.
>
> I copy paste this overall directory and rename it Product x.y. French (or 
> whatever).
>
> (ONLY IF YOU HAVE TRADOS (or whatever CAT tool) : I set up a translation 
> folder, which I divide into languages (French, Spanish, etc.). I then divide 
> each of the language folder into MIF, ORG and STF folders. Then I convert all 
> .fm files to .mif then .rtf or .ttx, and I send these files for translation 
> (a translator does not translate straight into Frame)).
>
> The thing is that none of my graphics contains text (I do not actually 
> document softs, so I don't have language  specific screenshots), so links 
> stay untouched, and the translator does not have to work on graphics.
>
> If I had language specific graphics, with the structure previously described, 
> I could copy them directly into the "graphics" directory without chaning 
> their name and overwrite the ones in the wrong language.
> Issue : Generic graphics are copied as many times as your number of 
> languages...
>
> Yours,
>
> Mathieu
>
>
>
>> Subject: Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions 
>>  in Framemaker
>> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:50:18 +0200
>> From: verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>
>> Hey
>> I am describing a software product and have hundreds of screen shots in
>> my manual that is to be translated into several languages.
>> Have you a good idea for directory structure and file naming of graphics
>> inserted by reference?
>>
>> My idea is the following:
>>
>> Product version x.y
>> - Generic graphcis
>> - English
>> - - Framemaker files
>> --  Language specific graphics
>> --  pdf
>>
>> The idea is that by copying the English folder to another language
>> folder the translator will be up and running and can replace the
>> language specific graphics.
>>
>> I realize that screen shots with the same name will exist in different
>> versions and languages, but to use version/language specific graphics
>> will result days spent in re-importing graphics whenever a new version
>> of the manual is to be made.
>>
>> How do you solve this issue?
>>
>>
>> Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
>> Verner Andersen
>> Technical Writer
>>
>> Radiometer Medical ApS
>> Phone +45 3827 3612
>> Fax +45 3827 2727
>> verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Radiometer Medical ApS
>> Akandevej 21
>> DK-2700 Bronshoj
>> Denmark
>> Phone: +45 38 27 38 27
>> CVR: 13496188
>> 
>>



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Off topic: Technical Writer Song

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Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions in Framemaker

[Robert Stoker]

Anyone interested in using language-specific graphics without having  
the hassle of manually re-importing the graphics into each language  
document can contact me off-list. Our Single Source plug-in, which is  
not commercially available, has most of the code required to perform  
this task. If we get enough interest, we can extract the code from  
our Single Source plug-in and make a new plug-in available.

Regards,
Robert Stoker
Seatech Publications, Inc.
www.seatechpubs.com
Office Phone: 360-394-1911
Cell Phone: 360-620-7594




> Hey
> I am describing a software product and have hundreds of screen  
> shots in
> my manual that is to be translated into several languages.
> Have you a good idea for directory structure and file naming of  
> graphics
> inserted by reference?
>
> My idea is the following:
>
> Product version x.y
> - Generic graphcis
> - English
> - - Framemaker files
> --  Language specific graphics
> --  pdf
>
> The idea is that by copying the English folder to another language
> folder the translator will be up and running and can replace the
> language specific graphics.
>
> I realize that screen shots with the same name will exist in different
> versions and languages, but to use version/language specific graphics
> will result days spent in re-importing graphics whenever a new version
> of the manual is to be made.
>
> How do you solve this issue?
>
>
> Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
> Verner Andersen
> Technical Writer
>
> Radiometer Medical ApS
> Phone +45 3827 3612
> Fax +45 3827 2727
> verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
> 
>
>
>
> Radiometer Medical ApS
> Akandevej 21
> DK-2700 Bronshoj
> Denmark
> Phone: +45 38 27 38 27
> CVR: 13496188
> 
>
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master pages and multiple revisions

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi All!

FM 8.0, XP.

I don't even know how to ask this question.

Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date of
original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross-reference
(I know, I know) on the master page.

If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision
date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you create
a new master page based on the old master page and change the original
cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?

I think that is what to do.

If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we
will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?

Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?

Thanks,

Deirdre

master pages and multiple revisions

[martin.sm...@golehtek.com]

Hi,

An alternative would be to create a dedicated, named flow on the  
master page with auto-connect turned off. This would result in a text  
field on each page that you could use to enter the issue or revision  
date.

However, some potential issues come to mind. Whether you use a master  
page or a text flow to track the dates, it is unlikely that the text  
will stay in sync with the master page. As you add new text to the  
document, the text will flow through as many pages as necessary to  
format the document.

An alternative might be to auto-number your highest level headings and  
include a table in the front matter that tracks revisions to the major  
sections in the document.

Best regards,

Martin

Quoting Deirdre Reagan :

> Hi All!
>
> FM 8.0, XP.
>
> I don't even know how to ask this question.
>
> Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date of
> original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross-reference
> (I know, I know) on the master page.
>
> If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision
> date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you create
> a new master page based on the old master page and change the original
> cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?
>
> I think that is what to do.
>
> If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we
> will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?
>
> Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deirdre
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master pages and multiple revisions

[Owen, Clint]

Deirdre,

That's exactly what we do. I create a cross reference marker next to
each revision date on the Record of Revisions page. This date is then
referenced anywhere in the manual that I need that particular date, such
as on the List of Effective Pages or the master page for a new part of
the manual. 

I think you can have up to 100 or so master pages in a chapter.
Depending on you template, you might need Left, Right, Blank, etc.
masters for each rev.

The master pages for the first few revisions can be part of your
template. All you need to do is change the date of each revision once on
the ROR and it is automatically propagated throughout the manual. Then
as you make changes, you just pick the appropriate master page for each
rev.

Clint


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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:27 AM
To: Framer's List
Subject: master pages and multiple revisions

Hi All!

FM 8.0, XP.

I don't even know how to ask this question.

Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date of
original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross-reference (I
know, I know) on the master page.

If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision date
to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you create a new
master page based on the old master page and change the original
cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?

I think that is what to do.

If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we will
have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?

Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Use hypertext command to launch FrameScript macro

[Stephen O'Brien]

I would like to create a hypertext zone in a FM 
doc that launches a FrameScript script...is that 
even possible...any ideas anyone...

Thx

Stephen O'Brien
R?dacteur technique / Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Qu?bec (Qu?bec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
Fax: (418) 688-3001
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Sort order of entries in an index

[Linda G. Gallagher]

This question and answer got me looking at the FM help to see how this work.
But, I'm still not sure how to get some numerics to sort correctly. 

This is what I get:

100 mm stud
150 mm stud
200 mm stud
70 mm stud
90 mm stud

This is what I want:

70 mm stud
90 mm stud
100 mm stud
150 mm stud
200 mm stud

How do I use the [aaa] type of construction to get this to sort? 


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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:12 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

Put the "sort order" info in square brackets (e.g. [aaa] ) not angle
brackets:

<$nopage>changing:see also modifying[aaa]

On Tuesday, June 24, 2008 18:04, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

| A long time ago, in a valley far, far away, I know I did this, but I
| don't remember how! Under the letter "C" in my index, under the
| IndexLev1 entry of changing, I want the first entry to be changing:see
| also modifying (and not a page number) and I can't for the life of me
| remember how to format the index marker for this. Right now, I have
| <$nopage>changing:see also modifying, but I am getting the entry
| sorted as is. The attempt to force it to the top by using  is not
| working, but I swear I did this before, but using  to get an
entry
| to the bottom of a list at all times.
| 
| Help!
| 
| TIA,
| 
| TVB
| 
| Tammy Van Boening
| Health Language, Inc.
| 
| (303) 307-4400 x254 (office)
| (303) 375-0656 (fax)
| www.healthlanguage.com

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Sort order of entries in an index

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Linda,


100 mm stud [00100 mm stud]
150 mm stud [00150 mm stud]
200 mm stud [00200 mm stud]
70 mm stud [00070 mm stud]
90 mm stud [00090 mm stud]


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Linda G. Gallagher" 
To: "'Lester C. Smalley'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index


> This question and answer got me looking at the FM help to see how this 
> work.
> But, I'm still not sure how to get some numerics to sort correctly.
>
> This is what I get:
>
> 100 mm stud
> 150 mm stud
> 200 mm stud
> 70 mm stud
> 90 mm stud
>
> This is what I want:
>
> 70 mm stud
> 90 mm stud
> 100 mm stud
> 150 mm stud
> 200 mm stud
>
> How do I use the [aaa] type of construction to get this to sort?
>
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
> WebWorks ePublisher templates
> 

Sort order of entries in an index

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Yep, even just one leading 0 [0100 mm] worked (someone suggested that
offlist). 

Now I think I get how this works better.

Thanks! 


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-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexp...@truevine.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:34 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: Re: Sort order of entries in an index

Hi Linda,


100 mm stud [00100 mm stud]
150 mm stud [00150 mm stud]
200 mm stud [00200 mm stud]
70 mm stud [00070 mm stud]
90 mm stud [00090 mm stud]


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Linda G. Gallagher" 
To: "'Lester C. Smalley'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index


> This question and answer got me looking at the FM help to see how this 
> work.
> But, I'm still not sure how to get some numerics to sort correctly.
>
> This is what I get:
>
> 100 mm stud
> 150 mm stud
> 200 mm stud
> 70 mm stud
> 90 mm stud
>
> This is what I want:
>
> 70 mm stud
> 90 mm stud
> 100 mm stud
> 150 mm stud
> 200 mm stud
>
> How do I use the [aaa] type of construction to get this to sort?
>
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
> WebWorks ePublisher templates
> 

Use hypertext command to launch FrameScript macro

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Stephen,

First of all, you need an installed event script that "waits" for the 
message from the hypertext click. The event script needs a Message event 
that receives the call from the hypertext click.

Event Message
//
Local sMessage(Message);

Display sMessage;
//
EndEvent

Then your Hypertext marker needs the correct syntax:

message fsl Message To Pass To The Script

where

message = the syntax for sending a message to another program.
fsl = the program you are sending the message to
Message To Pass To The Script = a string that is received by the Message 
event and is stored in the sMessage variable.

This should get you started.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


I would like to create a hypertext zone in a FM
doc that launches a FrameScript script...is that
even possible...any ideas anyone...

Thx

Stephen O'Brien
R?dacteur technique / Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Qu?bec (Qu?bec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
Fax: (418) 688-3001
E-mail: sobrien at innovmetric.com
www.innovmetric.com
PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for Manufacturing 
(TM)

Sort order of entries in an index

[Linda G. Gallagher]

OK. I must be really slow on the uptake today.

This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:

70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];


But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud. 

studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]

Where did I go wrong here?


~
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TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
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-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexp...@truevine.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:34 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: Re: Sort order of entries in an index

Hi Linda,


100 mm stud [00100 mm stud]
150 mm stud [00150 mm stud]
200 mm stud [00200 mm stud]
70 mm stud [00070 mm stud]
90 mm stud [00090 mm stud]


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Linda G. Gallagher" 
To: "'Lester C. Smalley'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index


> This question and answer got me looking at the FM help to see how this 
> work.
> But, I'm still not sure how to get some numerics to sort correctly.
>
> This is what I get:
>
> 100 mm stud
> 150 mm stud
> 200 mm stud
> 70 mm stud
> 90 mm stud
>
> This is what I want:
>
> 70 mm stud
> 90 mm stud
> 100 mm stud
> 150 mm stud
> 200 mm stud
>
> How do I use the [aaa] type of construction to get this to sort?
>
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
> WebWorks ePublisher templates
> 

Sort order of entries in an index

[Combs, Richard]

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:
> 
> 70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
> 90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];
> 
> 
> But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud.
> 
> studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
> studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]
> 
> Where did I go wrong here?

Do the first two really look like that? I'd have thought the sort order
for an index level would need to be specified at that level, e.g.:

70 mm stud[070 mm]:roller locations
90 mm stud[090 mm]:roller locations

And to control sort order of the second-level entries, I'd think this
would work:  

studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm] 
studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]

But I'm guessing -- no promises. :-)

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Sort order of entries in an index

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Yes, this is a copy and paste of the exact marker entry that works for the
numerics:

70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]

Just tried these, but they ended up putting a blank entry (just the page
number, not text) above the Numerics group:

studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm] 
studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]

Other ideas?


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lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
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User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
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-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:24 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:
> 
> 70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
> 90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];
> 
> 
> But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud.
> 
> studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
> studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]
> 
> Where did I go wrong here?

Do the first two really look like that? I'd have thought the sort order
for an index level would need to be specified at that level, e.g.:

70 mm stud[070 mm]:roller locations
90 mm stud[090 mm]:roller locations

And to control sort order of the second-level entries, I'd think this
would work:  

studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm] 
studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]

But I'm guessing -- no promises. :-)

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Sort order of entries in an index

[Lester C. Smalley]

Linda, 

Try adding a space before the opening square bracket of the sort order:

   studs:70 mm roller locations [studs:070 mm]
   studs:90 mm roller locations [studs:090 mm]

Also, it may help if you specify the FM version, OS and platform that
you're working with just in case there are subtle differences (e.g.
"platform dependencies") of which readers here are aware.

On Tuesday, July 01, 2008 16:24, Combs, Richard wrote:

| Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
| 
| > This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:
| >
| > 70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
| > 90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];
| >
| > But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud.
| >
| > studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
| > studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]
| >
| > Where did I go wrong here?
| 
| Do the first two really look like that? I'd have thought the sort
order
| for an index level would need to be specified at that level, e.g.:
| 
| 70 mm stud[070 mm]:roller locations
| 90 mm stud[090 mm]:roller locations
| 
| And to control sort order of the second-level entries, I'd think this
| would work:
| 
| studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm]
| studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]
| 
| But I'm guessing -- no promises. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| Richard G. Combs
| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
| --


- Lester 
---
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Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com   
---

Sort order of entries in an index

[st...@siliconprairiesoftware.com]

Lester is on the right track...

He said this:

Try adding a space before the opening square bracket of the sort order:

studs:70 mm roller locations [studs:070 mm]
studs:90 mm roller locations [studs:090 mm]

The spaces don't affect the sorting. The importing thing to note is that
the item included in the square brackets must be a complete index entry.
Lester's example is a complete entry in the square brackets, so his
example should sort correctly.

Another common problem with re-sorting is that once Frame encounters the
set of square brackets, it stops parsing the entry. That's why you can't
have entries that look like this:

studs: 70 mm[070 mm]: roller

Instead, the re-sorting should appear at the end:

studs: 70 mm: roller[studs: 070 mm: roller]

Hope this helps.

Steve

Sort order of entries in an index

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Spacing didn't make any difference. One example in the help shows no spacing
(other examples fall onto a new line in a table, so you can't tell).

Also, must have the first level index entry, or it puts it into the
Numerics, so it must have [stud:70 mm], but it still won't sort under stud
or profiles, but does sort under numerics.

I usually do state version and platform, but thought this was a quick and
easy follow-on to the original posting.

For what it's worth: FM 8 (with the latest updates), Win XP 

Maybe this is a bug? 


~
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TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: Lester C. Smalley [mailto:lsmal...@infocon.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:12 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

Linda, 

Try adding a space before the opening square bracket of the sort order:

   studs:70 mm roller locations [studs:070 mm]
   studs:90 mm roller locations [studs:090 mm]

Also, it may help if you specify the FM version, OS and platform that
you're working with just in case there are subtle differences (e.g.
"platform dependencies") of which readers here are aware.

On Tuesday, July 01, 2008 16:24, Combs, Richard wrote:

| Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
| 
| > This worked to sort the entries that start with the numbers:
| >
| > 70 mm stud:roller locations[070 mm]
| > 90 mm stud:roller locations[090 mm];
| >
| > But the following did not work to sort the entries under stud.
| >
| > studs:70 mm roller locations[studs:070 mm]
| > studs:90 mm roller locations[studs:090 mm]
| >
| > Where did I go wrong here?
| 
| Do the first two really look like that? I'd have thought the sort
order
| for an index level would need to be specified at that level, e.g.:
| 
| 70 mm stud[070 mm]:roller locations
| 90 mm stud[090 mm]:roller locations
| 
| And to control sort order of the second-level entries, I'd think this
| would work:
| 
| studs:70 mm roller locations[070 mm]
| studs:90 mm roller locations[090 mm]
| 
| But I'm guessing -- no promises. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| Richard G. Combs
| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
| --


- Lester 
---
Lester C. Smalley  Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com   
Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com   
---

Sort order of entries in an index

[Linda G. Gallagher]

What do you mean by a complete index entry? It doesn't seem to have to match
the complete second level portion of the index entry, so I'm not clear.

No matter what I do, space, no space before the [, these still won't sort
right under the stud and rollers first level entries.




~
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lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
steve at siliconprairiesoftware.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:22 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Sort order of entries in an index

Lester is on the right track...

He said this:

Try adding a space before the opening square bracket of the sort order:

studs:70 mm roller locations [studs:070 mm]
studs:90 mm roller locations [studs:090 mm]

The spaces don't affect the sorting. The importing thing to note is that
the item included in the square brackets must be a complete index entry.
Lester's example is a complete entry in the square brackets, so his
example should sort correctly.

Another common problem with re-sorting is that once Frame encounters the
set of square brackets, it stops parsing the entry. That's why you can't
have entries that look like this:

studs: 70 mm[070 mm]: roller

Instead, the re-sorting should appear at the end:

studs: 70 mm: roller[studs: 070 mm: roller]

Hope this helps.

Steve



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Use hypertext command to launch FrameScript macro

[Frank Elmore]

To add to what Rick said, there are several methods to use FrameScript with 
hypertext. You can create an event script as Rick suggested or, in 
FrameScript 5.x,  you can specify a standard script to run by including its 
file name in the hypertext command, as follows:

message fsl cmd RunFileScript "script file name" [arg1][,arg2 ...]]

If you wish you can include the entire script as part of the hypertext 
command.

For more information, look at page 74 of the Users Guide document.

Frank Elmore
Project leader for FrameScript




- Original Message - 
From: "Stephen O'Brien" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:15 PM
Subject: Use hypertext command to launch FrameScript macro


I would like to create a hypertext zone in a FM
doc that launches a FrameScript script...is that
even possible...any ideas anyone...

Thx

Stephen O'Brien
R?dacteur technique / Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Qu?bec (Qu?bec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
Fax: (418) 688-3001
E-mail: sobrien at innovmetric.com
www.innovmetric.com
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master pages and multiple revisions

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks all for these responses.

The solution for my specific issue is to have multiple master pages.

Because of the type of document I'm writing the date has to be in the
footer (so master page) and any page with a change bar has to have a
revision date (so, new master page).

Deirdre



On 7/1/08, Alan Litchfield  wrote:
> This is what I would be inclined to do, what Martin suggested. It strikes me
> as pointless having more master pages than the final document page count,
> when instead you can simply type the date the page was edited.
>
> From your post I think you want any edits on the page to be reflected in the
> date on which it was edited, not just edits to specific paragraph styles. Is
> it true that you want to have this function automated too?
>
> What I would do that is different to what has been suggested is to manually
> add the date to the affected page and then cross reference that in the
> revision table cell. Of course then you would the problem that new content
> will extend the page count and the edit dates may refer to changes that were
> made to content that have subsequently moved on and no longer on that page.
> Which then raises another question, what constitutes a change to content?
>
> Cheers
> Alan
>
>
> On 2/07/2008, at 5:37 AM, martin.smith at golehtek.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > An alternative would be to create a dedicated, named flow on the
> > master page with auto-connect turned off. This would result in a text
> > field on each page that you could use to enter the issue or revision
> > date.
> >
> > However, some potential issues come to mind. Whether you use a master
> > page or a text flow to track the dates, it is unlikely that the text
> > will stay in sync with the master page. As you add new text to the
> > document, the text will flow through as many pages as necessary to
> > format the document.
> >
> > An alternative might be to auto-number your highest level headings and
> > include a table in the front matter that tracks revisions to the major
> > sections in the document.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Quoting Deirdre Reagan :
> >
> >
> > > Hi All!
> > >
> > > FM 8.0, XP.
> > >
> > > I don't even know how to ask this question.
> > >
> > > Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date of
> > > original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross-reference
> > > (I know, I know) on the master page.
> > >
> > > If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision
> > > date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you create
> > > a new master page based on the old master page and change the original
> > > cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?
> > >
> > > I think that is what to do.
> > >
> > > If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we
> > > will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?
> > >
> > > Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Deirdre
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master pages and multiple revisions

[Owen, Clint]

Deirdre,

There is another little trick that we use if the content of a page has
changed because of additional material on a previous page. 

We create a new master page as before, including the date of the
revision, and put a change bar next to the footer. This indicates to the
user that the flow has changed but not the content. 

This facilitates updating a paper copy of the manual by just replacing
the changed pages, instead of printing the entire book.

Clint


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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:55 PM
To: Alan Litchfield
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: master pages and multiple revisions

Thanks all for these responses.

The solution for my specific issue is to have multiple master pages.

Because of the type of document I'm writing the date has to be in the
footer (so master page) and any page with a change bar has to have a
revision date (so, new master page).

Deirdre



On 7/1/08, Alan Litchfield  wrote:
> This is what I would be inclined to do, what Martin suggested. It 
> strikes me as pointless having more master pages than the final 
> document page count, when instead you can simply type the date the
page was edited.
>
> From your post I think you want any edits on the page to be reflected 
> in the date on which it was edited, not just edits to specific 
> paragraph styles. Is it true that you want to have this function
automated too?
>
> What I would do that is different to what has been suggested is to 
> manually add the date to the affected page and then cross reference 
> that in the revision table cell. Of course then you would the problem 
> that new content will extend the page count and the edit dates may 
> refer to changes that were made to content that have subsequently
moved on and no longer on that page.
> Which then raises another question, what constitutes a change to
content?
>
> Cheers
> Alan
>
>
> On 2/07/2008, at 5:37 AM, martin.smith at golehtek.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > An alternative would be to create a dedicated, named flow on the 
> > master page with auto-connect turned off. This would result in a 
> > text field on each page that you could use to enter the issue or 
> > revision date.
> >
> > However, some potential issues come to mind. Whether you use a 
> > master page or a text flow to track the dates, it is unlikely that 
> > the text will stay in sync with the master page. As you add new text

> > to the document, the text will flow through as many pages as 
> > necessary to format the document.
> >
> > An alternative might be to auto-number your highest level headings 
> > and include a table in the front matter that tracks revisions to the

> > major sections in the document.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Quoting Deirdre Reagan :
> >
> >
> > > Hi All!
> > >
> > > FM 8.0, XP.
> > >
> > > I don't even know how to ask this question.
> > >
> > > Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date 
> > > of original issue on it. The date of original issue is a 
> > > cross-reference (I know, I know) on the master page.
> > >
> > > If you want to make changes to a document and you want the 
> > > revision date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, 
> > > do you create a new master page based on the old master page and 
> > > change the original cross-reference to a cross-reference to the
revision date?
> > >
> > > I think that is what to do.
> > >
> > > If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we

> > > will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?
> > >
> > > Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
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3 pts at top of col. 1 ... gone

[Richard Doll]

Windows XP - SP 2
Dell 490 WorkStation, 2-meg mem, 2 80-meg disks, dual monitors
FrameMaker 7.2p158, Acrobat 7.1.0, GhostScript 8.60,  Publi PDF 1.50.0292

SGML 2-column Catalog with Foredge aligned running heads (2/pg) and foredge 
bleed Section numbers in one col. table-12rows deep.

1. Running Head A - 15pt, aligned to the foredge "SECTION NAME" - text from 
Element A attribute - on Master Pg
2. Running Head B - 28pt, aligned to the foreedge "Product Name" - text from 
Element B attribute - on Master Pg
3. Top of Page - The Element after/adjacent to the Head B Element is called 
, in 2pt (can't be made less) type on 0 line space, only function is to 
cause a "Top of Next Page".
4. First text line - contains 2 Elements (Run-in Paragraph) for indexing 
only.- 6pt on 7, white
5. Second text line - contains 3 Elements (Rin-in-Paragraphs) for indexing 
only - 6pt on2 - white
6. Product Title - Element is 1st visable "black type" in a 1-col. table 
with a 35% of color tint background

ISSUE: Upon the1st page and every following page (R or L) when the next RH-B 
Element occures, the main/general text flow, has (only in col. 1), the 1st 
line of text printing 3pts higher, which is the first line of visable text 
(6.) after the Running head B Element (2.).

At 400%; a 6pt straight-line rule drawn (with its + cursor exactly on the 
top edge of . . .) from a "left" offending table across the col. margin to 
the adjacent/right col. Product Title table has the "thick" rule lay exactly 
on the tables "top" edge. Thus I say the dif. betw. the cols. is 3pts.

I have looked at the 4 MasterPage format definitions at font sizes, line 
spacing and space around this text ... both A's and B's  are identical.
NO format definitions from 1 through 6 - which is 9 formats have [negative 
(above)] spacing and all spacing is the same.

SECTIONSECTION<--- A 
Head
OldProdName   NewProdName<--- B Head
|---|  |---|   |---|  |---|   <--- Top 
of Col Boundary
 TextTextTe
TextTextTe  TextTextTe^   TextTextTe
  |
  
|_ 
LIKE THIS!!! WITH THE TEXT BLEEDING

  above the Master Page boundary ???  ?? ?
What else might I look for to correct the problem?

best to all,

dick doll
317.539.4857
sgmlindy at tds.net 

looking for frame 8/roobhelp 7 tech com suite guru

[Greg Thompson]

Hi All:

I have developed a FrameMaker manual and an RoboHelp 7 online help system for 
the same product using the Tech Com Suite. I need to retroactively turn the 
manual and the help into a single source version, which I did not do on initial 
development because of time considerations and lack of knowledge as to how to 
map the Frame styles to RoboHelp styles. I am looking for a consultant to help 
me. Any volunteers?
Greg Thompson

Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions in Framemaker

[Andersen, Verner Engell VEA]

Hey
I am describing a software product and have hundreds of screen shots in
my manual that is to be translated into several languages.
Have you a good idea for directory structure and file naming of graphics
inserted by reference?

My idea is the following:

Product version x.y
- Generic graphcis
- English
- - Framemaker files
--  Language specific graphics
--  pdf

The idea is that by copying the English folder to another language
folder the translator will be up and running and can replace the
language specific graphics.

I realize that screen shots with the same name will exist in different
versions and languages, but to use version/language specific graphics
will result days spent in re-importing graphics whenever a new version
of the manual is to be made.

How do you solve this issue?


Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
Verner Andersen
Technical Writer

Radiometer Medical ApS
Phone +45 3827 3612
Fax +45 3827 2727
verner.andersen at radiometer.dk




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