FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[Paul Findon]

Hi Sarah,

Not sure how strong it will be, but ID CS4 certainly appears to offer  
the tools that will allow some unstructured FM users to make the  
switch. Incidentally, it looks like Apple may have finally switched  
to InDesign for its user guides, which until now have been made with  
Mac FM6. The iPhone and iPod touch user guides both appear to have  
been made with InDesign CS3.

Another new ID feature relevant to FM users is Smart Text Reflow. ID  
can now automatically add or delete pages as text expands or shrinks.

FWIW:


Alas, one FM feature that's still missing (perhaps for ID CS5) is the  
ability to control whether paragraphs stay in column or across all  
columns at the paragraph level. A colleague recently user ID to make  
a manual with a layout that uses this FM feature heavily. She said it  
seemed to take twice as long as it did with FM, manually breaking and  
linking text frames on every page, and just when she thought the job  
was finished, a series of edits meant that many of her carefully  
positioned text frames had to be manually adjusted again and again.

Paul

On 23 Sep 2008, at 20:22, Sarah O'Keefe wrote:

> Hi framers,
>
> I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your  
> thoughts:
>
> http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4- 
> hannibal.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Sarah
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FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[qui...@airmail.net]

It's still not ready for prime time. At least not for technical documentation.

It's still an Xpress style layout program for magazines and brochures, not long 
documents. The paradigm of it's tools and how you go about things are based 
upon the paste up board of a graphic designer. Don't tell me how great 
it is with it's add ons, its work flow isn't designed for what technical 
documentation requires. 

Scott

On Tue 08/09/23 16:59 , "Peter Gold"  sent:
> Hi, Sarah: (I also posted on your blog)
> 
> "...UNTIL NOW...," as the late movie trailer guy might say, I've been
> under Adobe's non-disclosure agreement for ID CS4 pre-release testers.
> 
> "...BUT, IN A WORLD..." where disclosure can now be thrown to the
> winds, I'll add a few comments.
> 
> ID's been sneaking up on FM's long technical-document authoring tool
> set for a few releases. ID CS3 added system- and user-defined
> variables, running headers, table styles (named table formats), cell
> styles, named object styles, and nested styles - the ability to
> specify a pattern that applies named character styles to matching
> content within paragraphs - and it improved numbered lists a HUGE
> amount.
> 
> ID CS4 is closing in with new additions that matter to technical
> authors: cross-references, conditional text, smart text reflow
> (real-time adding new pages as needed, and deleting them when empty),
> along with boosting the already-powerful nested paragraph feature to
> include, selecting by a GREP pattern as you noted, and also by line
> number within the paragraph, so the nth line will get the character
> style you specify, no matter how it wraps or flows, and the ability to
> repeat (or loop) applying the sequence of styles (sort of a macro
> ability.)
> 
> FrameMaker users who don't use CS3-level Adobe Illustrator or
> Photoshop will need time to adjust to Adobe's corporate user
> interface, and learning new ways to perform familiar tasks.
> 
> Plus, just because something's on the package label, trust - but
> verify. Don't assume.
> 
> Here are a few FrameMaker features that you may miss:
> 
> * Run-in paragraphs
> * Side headings and side-heading area
> * Paragraphs that flow with text and also straddle multiple columns,
> and multiple columns AND side heads
> * Table sorting
> * No Track Changes
> * No logical conditional text expressions - AND and NOT were added in FM
> 8* No "size matters" inter-paragraph spacing - FM uses the larger of
> space below and space above for paragraph spacing. ID, like most other
> applications, adds the space below and space above, which makes it
> more complicated to set up paragraph formats that will space as you
> need, regardless of who-follows-what.
> * Frame above /below paragraphs can contain graphics, text, or a mix.
> ID's rules above/below paragraph are great, but they aren't
> containers.
> 
> Here are a few FrameMaker features in ID CS4 that are a little more
> complicated to do:
> * To jump to a cross-reference source from within FrameMaker, instead
> of Ctrl+Alt+Click, you click in the Cross-Reference panel
> * Index markers support multiple-level entries, but can't create
> multiple entries in one marker like FM's ":" technique
> * Without run-in paragraphs, you need to strategize to create TOC
> entries from a partial heading
> 
> There's a very good third-party conversion tool that converts MIF
> files to InDesign (dtptools.com). However, migrating FrameMaker
> content to InDesign depends on what FrameMaker are in them for which
> InDesign has no direct counterpart, whether you use a commercial tool
> or do it manually. It's something like converting Microsoft Word files
> to FrameMaker. There's work to be done.
> 
> The conversion tool's nearly-clonelike reproduction of FM pages in ID
> comes from its minute adjustments of paragraph formats, meaning many
> formats are overridden uniquely. Most of the tweaks are paragraph
> settings - space between, run-in, side heading, straddle headings,
> frame above/below, table-cell properties.
> 
> One of the greatest ID features from early on is the INFINITE UNDO
> UNDO UNDO! It doesn't clear its history when you perform certain
> actions. You can experiment nearly forever, and roll back to "square
> one." ID saves every action you perform - an instant autosave; after a
> crash, it can restore almost every last one.
> 
> If you're considering ID as a replacement for FM, test-drive ID in
> parallel with an FM project or two, to see if your wishes are rewarded
> or exceeded, and if your needs are served. During my testing, I
> compared the long-document features so much that I decided to write a
> book on the core issues for FrameMaker users moving to Indesign.
> 
> FM Mac diehards - don't forget that ID works on Mac OS X, both Intel
> and PowerPC G4/G5 chips. FM's stuck at 7.0 on Classic or OS 9 on Mac.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
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Re: Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[quills]

It's still not ready for prime time. At least not for technical documentation.

It's still an Xpress style layout program for magazines and brochures, not long 
documents. The paradigm of it's tools and how you go about things are based 
upon the paste up board of a graphic designer. Don't tell me how great 
it is with it's add ons, its work flow isn't designed for what technical 
documentation requires. 

Scott

On Tue 08/09/23 16:59 , "Peter Gold"  sent:
> Hi, Sarah: (I also posted on your blog)
> 
> "...UNTIL NOW...," as the late movie trailer guy might say, I've been
> under Adobe's non-disclosure agreement for ID CS4 pre-release testers.
> 
> "...BUT, IN A WORLD..." where disclosure can now be thrown to the
> winds, I'll add a few comments.
> 
> ID's been sneaking up on FM's long technical-document authoring tool
> set for a few releases. ID CS3 added system- and user-defined
> variables, running headers, table styles (named table formats), cell
> styles, named object styles, and nested styles - the ability to
> specify a pattern that applies named character styles to matching
> content within paragraphs - and it improved numbered lists a HUGE
> amount.
> 
> ID CS4 is closing in with new additions that matter to technical
> authors: cross-references, conditional text, smart text reflow
> (real-time adding new pages as needed, and deleting them when empty),
> along with boosting the already-powerful nested paragraph feature to
> include, selecting by a GREP pattern as you noted, and also by line
> number within the paragraph, so the nth line will get the character
> style you specify, no matter how it wraps or flows, and the ability to
> repeat (or loop) applying the sequence of styles (sort of a macro
> ability.)
> 
> FrameMaker users who don't use CS3-level Adobe Illustrator or
> Photoshop will need time to adjust to Adobe's corporate user
> interface, and learning new ways to perform familiar tasks.
> 
> Plus, just because something's on the package label, trust - but
> verify. Don't assume.
> 
> Here are a few FrameMaker features that you may miss:
> 
> * Run-in paragraphs
> * Side headings and side-heading area
> * Paragraphs that flow with text and also straddle multiple columns,
> and multiple columns AND side heads
> * Table sorting
> * No Track Changes
> * No logical conditional text expressions - AND and NOT were added in FM
> 8* No "size matters" inter-paragraph spacing - FM uses the larger of
> space below and space above for paragraph spacing. ID, like most other
> applications, adds the space below and space above, which makes it
> more complicated to set up paragraph formats that will space as you
> need, regardless of who-follows-what.
> * Frame above /below paragraphs can contain graphics, text, or a mix.
> ID's rules above/below paragraph are great, but they aren't
> containers.
> 
> Here are a few FrameMaker features in ID CS4 that are a little more
> complicated to do:
> * To jump to a cross-reference source from within FrameMaker, instead
> of Ctrl+Alt+Click, you click in the Cross-Reference panel
> * Index markers support multiple-level entries, but can't create
> multiple entries in one marker like FM's ":" technique
> * Without run-in paragraphs, you need to strategize to create TOC
> entries from a partial heading
> 
> There's a very good third-party conversion tool that converts MIF
> files to InDesign (dtptools.com). However, migrating FrameMaker
> content to InDesign depends on what FrameMaker are in them for which
> InDesign has no direct counterpart, whether you use a commercial tool
> or do it manually. It's something like converting Microsoft Word files
> to FrameMaker. There's work to be done.
> 
> The conversion tool's nearly-clonelike reproduction of FM pages in ID
> comes from its minute adjustments of paragraph formats, meaning many
> formats are overridden uniquely. Most of the tweaks are paragraph
> settings - space between, run-in, side heading, straddle headings,
> frame above/below, table-cell properties.
> 
> One of the greatest ID features from early on is the INFINITE UNDO
> UNDO UNDO! It doesn't clear its history when you perform certain
> actions. You can experiment nearly forever, and roll back to "square
> one." ID saves every action you perform - an instant autosave; after a
> crash, it can restore almost every last one.
> 
> If you're considering ID as a replacement for FM, test-drive ID in
> parallel with an FM project or two, to see if your wishes are rewarded
> or exceeded, and if your needs are served. During my testing, I
> compared the long-document features so much that I decided to write a
> book on the core issues for FrameMaker users moving to Indesign.
> 
> FM Mac diehards - don't forget that ID works on Mac OS X, both Intel
> and PowerPC G4/G5 chips. FM's stuck at 7.0 on Classic or OS 9 on Mac.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
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FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[John Sgammato]

I think it is a good view of what's happening. 
For a long time I have expected FM and INDD to come together, until only
one hybrid remains with the InDesign name, or some other name that is
not FrameMaker. I am not emotional about it, as long as my workflow is
not completely upended. 
I am a lone writer and I manage a lot of docs with no backup. I cannot
afford a long learning curve. I use INDD for a few things, so I am more
than familiar with it, but I prefer FrameMaker. 

john 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:22 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

Hi framers,

I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts:

http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4-hannibal.html

Regards,

Sarah
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FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Sarah: (I also posted on your blog)

"...UNTIL NOW...," as the late movie trailer guy might say, I've been
under Adobe's non-disclosure agreement for ID CS4 pre-release testers.

"...BUT, IN A WORLD..." where disclosure can now be thrown to the
winds, I'll add a few comments.

ID's been sneaking up on FM's long technical-document authoring tool
set for a few releases. ID CS3 added system- and user-defined
variables, running headers, table styles (named table formats), cell
styles, named object styles, and nested styles - the ability to
specify a pattern that applies named character styles to matching
content within paragraphs - and it improved numbered lists a HUGE
amount.

ID CS4 is closing in with new additions that matter to technical
authors: cross-references, conditional text, smart text reflow
(real-time adding new pages as needed, and deleting them when empty),
along with boosting the already-powerful nested paragraph feature to
include, selecting by a GREP pattern as you noted, and also by line
number within the paragraph, so the nth line will get the character
style you specify, no matter how it wraps or flows, and the ability to
repeat (or loop) applying the sequence of styles (sort of a macro
ability.)

FrameMaker users who don't use CS3-level Adobe Illustrator or
Photoshop will need time to adjust to Adobe's corporate user
interface, and learning new ways to perform familiar tasks.

Plus, just because something's on the package label, trust - but
verify. Don't assume.

Here are a few FrameMaker features that you may miss:

 * Run-in paragraphs
 * Side headings and side-heading area
 * Paragraphs that flow with text and also straddle multiple columns,
and multiple columns AND side heads
 * Table sorting
 * No Track Changes
 * No logical conditional text expressions - AND and NOT were added in FM 8
 * No "size matters" inter-paragraph spacing - FM uses the larger of
space below and space above for paragraph spacing. ID, like most other
applications, adds the space below and space above, which makes it
more complicated to set up paragraph formats that will space as you
need, regardless of who-follows-what.
 * Frame above /below paragraphs can contain graphics, text, or a mix.
ID's rules above/below paragraph are great, but they aren't
containers.

Here are a few FrameMaker features in ID CS4 that are a little more
complicated to do:
 * To jump to a cross-reference source from within FrameMaker, instead
of Ctrl+Alt+Click, you click in the Cross-Reference panel
 * Index markers support multiple-level entries, but can't create
multiple entries in one marker like FM's ":" technique
 * Without run-in paragraphs, you need to strategize to create TOC
entries from a partial heading

There's a very good third-party conversion tool that converts MIF
files to InDesign (dtptools.com). However, migrating FrameMaker
content to InDesign depends on what FrameMaker are in them for which
InDesign has no direct counterpart, whether you use a commercial tool
or do it manually. It's something like converting Microsoft Word files
to FrameMaker. There's work to be done.

The conversion tool's nearly-clonelike reproduction of FM pages in ID
comes from its minute adjustments of paragraph formats, meaning many
formats are overridden uniquely. Most of the tweaks are paragraph
settings - space between, run-in, side heading, straddle headings,
frame above/below, table-cell properties.

One of the greatest ID features from early on is the INFINITE UNDO
UNDO UNDO! It doesn't clear its history when you perform certain
actions. You can experiment nearly forever, and roll back to "square
one." ID saves every action you perform - an instant autosave; after a
crash, it can restore almost every last one.

If you're considering ID as a replacement for FM, test-drive ID in
parallel with an FM project or two, to see if your wishes are rewarded
or exceeded, and if your needs are served. During my testing, I
compared the long-document features so much that I decided to write a
book on the core issues for FrameMaker users moving to Indesign.

FM Mac diehards - don't forget that ID works on Mac OS X, both Intel
and PowerPC G4/G5 chips. FM's stuck at 7.0 on Classic or OS 9 on Mac.

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[Peter Gold]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:24 PM,   wrote:
> Sarah,
>
> As a final thought, I'll add this. Any tool that won't automatically
> add pages to the text flow when I come to the end of a page is an
> automatic no-go. If I have to add text boxes to the page in order to
> enter text, it's a no-go.

Here's the deal:

Smart Text Reflow is one of the "smaller" new features in ID CS4. It's
a preference you need to set, and it's got some options. It adds pages
as you type, and deletes empty ones when you delete content from them,
which isn't often a designer's need.

ID has always had auto-flow for "placed" content (like File > Import >
File in FM). It creates pages as it needs them. You'll need to read
the short passage in Help, when ID CS4 is released.

HTH

Regards,

Peter

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[qui...@airmail.net]

Sarah,

As a final thought, I'll add this. Any tool that won't automatically 
add pages to the text flow when I come to the end of a page is an 
automatic no-go. If I have to add text boxes to the page in order to 
enter text, it's a no-go.

Even Adobe compares it against Xpress, and NOT FrameMaker. The bells 
and whistles still don't make it a useable tool for long complex 
documents.

If I want to do a magazine layout, or a brochure, then InDesign is at 
the top of my list. But I can't see using it for anything else.

Scott

At 3:22 PM -0400 9/23/08, Sarah O'Keefe wrote:
>Hi framers,
>
>I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts:
>
>http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4-hannibal.html
>
>Regards,
>
>Sarah
>--
>
>Sarah O'Keefe  Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc.
>okeefe at scriptorium.com www.scriptorium.com
>Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest

Russian Frame->ePublisher problem

[Alison Carrico]

I am trying to convert a Russian Frame book to Dynamic HTML with ePublisher Pro 
and all I get are question marks in place of the Cyrillic characters. The same 
template has already converted Spanish, French, Japanese, Korean, etc. with 
success, after changing the locale/input language on my English OS, but I'm 
getting nowhere with Russian. I've tried both UTF-8 & Win-1251 encodings: no 
dice. I've tried changing the encoding of the page.asp file: no dice. ?I've 
tried creating a brand new project and accepting all of ePub's default 
settings: no dice. I've tried everything I can think of and found nothing 
online to help.



I assume it's something painfully obvious & I will be embarrassed to have 
asked, but it's eluding me completely.? RUS is the very last language for this 
project so, of course, it's the one that gives the most trouble. And, 
naturally, the deadline is in two days. 



I'm using: Win XP Pro SP2 -- Frame 8.0p277 -- ePub Pro 9.25 Build 10315



Any insight will be greatly appreciated!

Alison

Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Sarah: (I also posted on your blog)

"...UNTIL NOW...," as the late movie trailer guy might say, I've been
under Adobe's non-disclosure agreement for ID CS4 pre-release testers.

"...BUT, IN A WORLD..." where disclosure can now be thrown to the
winds, I'll add a few comments.

ID's been sneaking up on FM's long technical-document authoring tool
set for a few releases. ID CS3 added system- and user-defined
variables, running headers, table styles (named table formats), cell
styles, named object styles, and nested styles - the ability to
specify a pattern that applies named character styles to matching
content within paragraphs - and it improved numbered lists a HUGE
amount.

ID CS4 is closing in with new additions that matter to technical
authors: cross-references, conditional text, smart text reflow
(real-time adding new pages as needed, and deleting them when empty),
along with boosting the already-powerful nested paragraph feature to
include, selecting by a GREP pattern as you noted, and also by line
number within the paragraph, so the nth line will get the character
style you specify, no matter how it wraps or flows, and the ability to
repeat (or loop) applying the sequence of styles (sort of a macro
ability.)

FrameMaker users who don't use CS3-level Adobe Illustrator or
Photoshop will need time to adjust to Adobe's corporate user
interface, and learning new ways to perform familiar tasks.

Plus, just because something's on the package label, trust - but
verify. Don't assume.

Here are a few FrameMaker features that you may miss:

 * Run-in paragraphs
 * Side headings and side-heading area
 * Paragraphs that flow with text and also straddle multiple columns,
and multiple columns AND side heads
 * Table sorting
 * No Track Changes
 * No logical conditional text expressions - AND and NOT were added in FM 8
 * No "size matters" inter-paragraph spacing - FM uses the larger of
space below and space above for paragraph spacing. ID, like most other
applications, adds the space below and space above, which makes it
more complicated to set up paragraph formats that will space as you
need, regardless of who-follows-what.
 * Frame above /below paragraphs can contain graphics, text, or a mix.
ID's rules above/below paragraph are great, but they aren't
containers.

Here are a few FrameMaker features in ID CS4 that are a little more
complicated to do:
 * To jump to a cross-reference source from within FrameMaker, instead
of Ctrl+Alt+Click, you click in the Cross-Reference panel
 * Index markers support multiple-level entries, but can't create
multiple entries in one marker like FM's ":" technique
 * Without run-in paragraphs, you need to strategize to create TOC
entries from a partial heading

There's a very good third-party conversion tool that converts MIF
files to InDesign (dtptools.com). However, migrating FrameMaker
content to InDesign depends on what FrameMaker are in them for which
InDesign has no direct counterpart, whether you use a commercial tool
or do it manually. It's something like converting Microsoft Word files
to FrameMaker. There's work to be done.

The conversion tool's nearly-clonelike reproduction of FM pages in ID
comes from its minute adjustments of paragraph formats, meaning many
formats are overridden uniquely. Most of the tweaks are paragraph
settings - space between, run-in, side heading, straddle headings,
frame above/below, table-cell properties.

One of the greatest ID features from early on is the INFINITE UNDO
UNDO UNDO! It doesn't clear its history when you perform certain
actions. You can experiment nearly forever, and roll back to "square
one." ID saves every action you perform - an instant autosave; after a
crash, it can restore almost every last one.

If you're considering ID as a replacement for FM, test-drive ID in
parallel with an FM project or two, to see if your wishes are rewarded
or exceeded, and if your needs are served. During my testing, I
compared the long-document features so much that I decided to write a
book on the core issues for FrameMaker users moving to Indesign.

FM Mac diehards - don't forget that ID works on Mac OS X, both Intel
and PowerPC G4/G5 chips. FM's stuck at 7.0 on Classic or OS 9 on Mac.

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
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Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[Peter Gold]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:24 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sarah,
>
> As a final thought, I'll add this. Any tool that won't automatically
> add pages to the text flow when I come to the end of a page is an
> automatic no-go. If I have to add text boxes to the page in order to
> enter text, it's a no-go.

Here's the deal:

Smart Text Reflow is one of the "smaller" new features in ID CS4. It's
a preference you need to set, and it's got some options. It adds pages
as you type, and deletes empty ones when you delete content from them,
which isn't often a designer's need.

ID has always had auto-flow for "placed" content (like File > Import >
File in FM). It creates pages as it needs them. You'll need to read
the short passage in Help, when ID CS4 is released.

HTH

Regards,

Peter

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InDesign CS4

[Yves Barbion]

Great!

I'm looking forward to the next step: DITA support in InDesign! Imagine
people authoring DITA XML topics in InCopy, which get published in PDF via
InDesign.

Quark has recently jumped on the DITA bandwagon too:

http://www.thecontentwrangler.com/news/quark_purchases_invision_research_now_theyre_really_in_the_xml_authoring_bu/

Let's hope.


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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

> Yes, and it looks like additional XML support as well. There is also a new
> InDesign Markup Language, which looks like it functions similar to MIF for
> FrameMaker:
>
> InDesign Markup Language (IDML), an XML- based file format, enables
> developers to programmatically assemble and disassemble InDesign documents
> using standard XML tools and without having to open INDD files. Realize
> increases in performance, convenience, and flexibility when building
> applications based on InDesign CS4.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
> Well, well, well.. InDesign finally gets cross-references. There's
> conditional text, too.
>
> 
>
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Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[quills]

Sarah,

As a final thought, I'll add this. Any tool that won't automatically 
add pages to the text flow when I come to the end of a page is an 
automatic no-go. If I have to add text boxes to the page in order to 
enter text, it's a no-go.

Even Adobe compares it against Xpress, and NOT FrameMaker. The bells 
and whistles still don't make it a useable tool for long complex 
documents.

If I want to do a magazine layout, or a brochure, then InDesign is at 
the top of my list. But I can't see using it for anything else.

Scott

At 3:22 PM -0400 9/23/08, Sarah O'Keefe wrote:
>Hi framers,
>
>I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts:
>
>http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4-hannibal.html
>
>Regards,
>
>Sarah
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FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[Sarah O'Keefe]

Hi framers,

I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts:

http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4-hannibal.html

Regards,

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Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[Paul Findon]

Hi Sarah,

Not sure how strong it will be, but ID CS4 certainly appears to offer  
the tools that will allow some unstructured FM users to make the  
switch. Incidentally, it looks like Apple may have finally switched  
to InDesign for its user guides, which until now have been made with  
Mac FM6. The iPhone and iPod touch user guides both appear to have  
been made with InDesign CS3.

Another new ID feature relevant to FM users is Smart Text Reflow. ID  
can now automatically add or delete pages as text expands or shrinks.

FWIW:


Alas, one FM feature that's still missing (perhaps for ID CS5) is the  
ability to control whether paragraphs stay in column or across all  
columns at the paragraph level. A colleague recently user ID to make  
a manual with a layout that uses this FM feature heavily. She said it  
seemed to take twice as long as it did with FM, manually breaking and  
linking text frames on every page, and just when she thought the job  
was finished, a series of edits meant that many of her carefully  
positioned text frames had to be manually adjusted again and again.

Paul

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> Hi framers,
>
> I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your  
> thoughts:
>
> http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4- 
> hannibal.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Sarah
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RE: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[John Sgammato]

I think it is a good view of what's happening. 
For a long time I have expected FM and INDD to come together, until only
one hybrid remains with the InDesign name, or some other name that is
not FrameMaker. I am not emotional about it, as long as my workflow is
not completely upended. 
I am a lone writer and I manage a lot of docs with no backup. I cannot
afford a long learning curve. I use INDD for a few things, so I am more
than familiar with it, but I prefer FrameMaker. 

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Hi framers,

I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts:

http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4-hannibal.html

Regards,

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FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[qui...@airmail.net]

Sarah,

Every time I try the demo of InDesign I can't get past the part where 
I make a page and look for where the text entry starts. As in, where 
is the cursor for text?

It still feels like a page layout program, it still acts like a page 
layout program, it still wants you to obsess over page layout rather 
than content creation. As far as I've been able to see, the real 
difference in the two programs is that the paradigm for the layout 
and tools is based upon page layout and graphics programs rather than 
text creation. While it may be true that I would be able to function 
in that environment, the corresponding argument that the tools 
require a lot of minutiae font fiddling and placement fiddling make 
me feel like I'd be wasting more time.

Whenever I go into that program I feel like I've opened up Quark Express.

Scott


At 3:22 PM -0400 9/23/08, Sarah O'Keefe wrote:
>Hi framers,
>
>I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts:
>
>http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4-hannibal.html
>
>Regards,
>
>Sarah
>--
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>okeefe at scriptorium.com www.scriptorium.com
>Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest
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InDesign CS4

[Paul Findon]

Well, well, well.. InDesign finally gets cross-references. There?s  
conditional text, too.



Paul

Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[quills]

Sarah,

Every time I try the demo of InDesign I can't get past the part where 
I make a page and look for where the text entry starts. As in, where 
is the cursor for text?

It still feels like a page layout program, it still acts like a page 
layout program, it still wants you to obsess over page layout rather 
than content creation. As far as I've been able to see, the real 
difference in the two programs is that the paradigm for the layout 
and tools is based upon page layout and graphics programs rather than 
text creation. While it may be true that I would be able to function 
in that environment, the corresponding argument that the tools 
require a lot of minutiae font fiddling and placement fiddling make 
me feel like I'd be wasting more time.

Whenever I go into that program I feel like I've opened up Quark Express.

Scott


At 3:22 PM -0400 9/23/08, Sarah O'Keefe wrote:
>Hi framers,
>
>I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts:
>
>http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4-hannibal.html
>
>Regards,
>
>Sarah
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How to prevent Framemaker changing the Link

[Michael Böhme]

Hallo,
I have a Problem which has hopefully an easy solution. I try to make Hyperlinks 
to open an other PDF on my harddisk. 

I write: 
message openfile "W:\Schadstoffliteratur\Dioxine\Attempt to establish 
benchmarks for Dioxins.pdf"

Than Framemaker convert this  to: 
message openfile "W:\Schadstoffliteratur?ioxine\Attempt to establish benchmarks 
for Dioxins.pdf"

Looking in the MIF I see the following:


The resulting Link does not work, of course. When I repair the link in the MIF 
manually, open it in FM, print to PDF, it works fine: 


But I may not touch the Link in Framemaker again. I want to make hundreds of 
similar Links, so I am looking for a solution. 

How to prevent Framemaker changing the Link?

Michael
FM 8.0p277

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[Sarah O'Keefe]

Hi framers,

I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts:

http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4-hannibal.html

Regards,

Sarah
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image activation in FM

[Jon Harvey]

Everyone,



I am importing emf images into FM 7.2 and getting a plane white box that
says "image.emf" rather than the image itself. When I import, I want to
see the image itself, not this placeholder.



I've seen this happen before but it doesn't seem to occur every time.
The software I am using, SnagIt, doesn't provide the option (that I have
found anyway) to save a preview of the image.



Any thoughts on how to get the image itself rather than its placeholder?





Jon Harvey

Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation

CambridgeSoft Corporation

100 CambridgePark Drive

Cambridge, MA 02140

(617) 588-9354

Numbers appended to file name

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

By "implanted" do you mean cut and pasted or drag and dropped?
I had one writer who loved to do both with screen shots. His documents
are the ones I'm fixing now.
What about graphics on your master pages, such as logos and the likes?
I had some there too.

Berny

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Murray Moore
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:23 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Numbers appended to file name

No, no OLE graphics here. Nearly all screen shots are imported by
reference, with the odd screen shot  implanted in the file. I have not
noticed any gray boxes.

/\/\
Murray


Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:51:25 -0400
From: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)" 
Subject: RE: Numbers appended to file name
To: 
Message-ID:


Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Hi Murray,
FrameMaker is adding the funky alphanumeric extension to your Frame file
because it has changed substantially from the original. I suspect some
of your graphics are not being saved. I have seen that error a lot
lately, especially since our IT dept installed XP SP3 on our machines.
Do you use OLE for any of your graphics in your manuals? If so you may
be dismayed to find they have likely all been blown away. Check the new
files for gray boxes where graphics should be. I found that the first
time I opened a document with OLE images, the images appeared fine when
I first opened the file but if I tried to save the file, I got the
"graphics have not been saved" error message and the alphanumeric
extension on the file. The only solution to the problem was to eliminate
all OLE graphics and replace them with images imported by reference.
This bug was introduced with XP SP3 and there are no fixes that I know
of (and certainly none planned for Frame 6).
Best of luck.

Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Murray Moore
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:19 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Numbers appended to file name

I am having a problem using mif2go to save FM files as rtf, but I am
suspicious that the problem is with FM.

Recently I have noticed that when I save a FM file some times I get an
error message, something like "graphics have not been saved"; the saved
file's name is filename.fm.threelettersorcharacters, e,g,
filename.fm.1A2. I have to delete the 1A2 manually.

I just saved 03 DB Management.fm as 03DBManagement.fm because the mif2go
Help says spaces are bad in a file name to be converted, but what
resulted was 03DBManagement.fm.701.

(Never have I had a problem saving a FM file with spaces in its name as
RTF using mif2togo, eg, 03 DB Management.fm, but I was following the
mif2go Help
instructions.)

Why am I getting these three-letter-and-number-combination suffixes when
I save a FM file?

FM 6.0p405
XP Pro 2002 SP 3
Pentium D CPU 2.80GHz 2.80GHz, 0.99GB RAM

/\/\
Murray
Mississauga
(If you fly to Toronto you land in Mississauga) 

InDesign CS4

[Rick Quatro]

Yes, and it looks like additional XML support as well. There is also a new 
InDesign Markup Language, which looks like it functions similar to MIF for 
FrameMaker:

InDesign Markup Language (IDML), an XML- based file format, enables 
developers to programmatically assemble and disassemble InDesign documents 
using standard XML tools and without having to open INDD files. Realize 
increases in performance, convenience, and flexibility when building 
applications based on InDesign CS4.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Well, well, well.. InDesign finally gets cross-references. There?s
conditional text, too.



Paul
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Numbers appended to file name

[Murray Moore]

No, no OLE graphics here. Nearly all screen shots are imported by reference,
with the odd screen shot  implanted in the file. I have not noticed any gray
boxes.

/\/\
Murray


Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:51:25 -0400
From: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)" 
Subject: RE: Numbers appended to file name
To: 
Message-ID:
   
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Hi Murray,
FrameMaker is adding the funky alphanumeric extension to your Frame file
because it has changed substantially from the original. I suspect some
of your graphics are not being saved. I have seen that error a lot
lately, especially since our IT dept installed XP SP3 on our machines.
Do you use OLE for any of your graphics in your manuals? If so you may
be dismayed to find they have likely all been blown away. Check the new
files for gray boxes where graphics should be. I found that the first
time I opened a document with OLE images, the images appeared fine when
I first opened the file but if I tried to save the file, I got the
"graphics have not been saved" error message and the alphanumeric
extension on the file. The only solution to the problem was to eliminate
all OLE graphics and replace them with images imported by reference.
This bug was introduced with XP SP3 and there are no fixes that I know
of (and certainly none planned for Frame 6).
Best of luck.

Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Murray Moore
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:19 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Numbers appended to file name

I am having a problem using mif2go to save FM files as rtf, but I am
suspicious that the problem is with FM.

Recently I have noticed that when I save a FM file some times I get an
error message, something like "graphics have not been saved"; the saved
file's name is filename.fm.threelettersorcharacters, e,g,
filename.fm.1A2. I have to delete the 1A2 manually.

I just saved 03 DB Management.fm as 03DBManagement.fm because the mif2go
Help says spaces are bad in a file name to be converted, but what
resulted was 03DBManagement.fm.701.

(Never have I had a problem saving a FM file with spaces in its name as
RTF using mif2togo, eg, 03 DB Management.fm, but I was following the
mif2go Help
instructions.)

Why am I getting these three-letter-and-number-combination suffixes when
I save a FM file?

FM 6.0p405
XP Pro 2002 SP 3
Pentium D CPU 2.80GHz 2.80GHz, 0.99GB RAM

/\/\
Murray
Mississauga
(If you fly to Toronto you land in Mississauga)

image activation in FM

[Jon Harvey]

Everyone,

 

I am importing emf images into FM 7.2 and getting a plane white box that
says "image.emf" rather than the image itself. When I import, I want to
see the image itself, not this placeholder.

 

I've seen this happen before but it doesn't seem to occur every time.
The software I am using, SnagIt, doesn't provide the option (that I have
found anyway) to save a preview of the image.

 

Any thoughts on how to get the image itself rather than its placeholder?

 

 

Jon Harvey

Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation

CambridgeSoft Corporation

100 CambridgePark Drive

Cambridge, MA 02140

(617) 588-9354

 

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Re: InDesign CS4

[Yves Barbion]

Great!

I'm looking forward to the next step: DITA support in InDesign! Imagine
people authoring DITA XML topics in InCopy, which get published in PDF via
InDesign.

Quark has recently jumped on the DITA bandwagon too:

http://www.thecontentwrangler.com/news/quark_purchases_invision_research_now_theyre_really_in_the_xml_authoring_bu/

Let's hope.


-- 
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www.scripto.nu • skype: yves.barbion • T: +32 494 12 01 89



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> Yes, and it looks like additional XML support as well. There is also a new
> InDesign Markup Language, which looks like it functions similar to MIF for
> FrameMaker:
>
> InDesign Markup Language (IDML), an XML- based file format, enables
> developers to programmatically assemble and disassemble InDesign documents
> using standard XML tools and without having to open INDD files. Realize
> increases in performance, convenience, and flexibility when building
> applications based on InDesign CS4.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
> Well, well, well.. InDesign finally gets cross-references. There's
> conditional text, too.
>
> 
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RE: Numbers appended to file name

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

By "implanted" do you mean cut and pasted or drag and dropped?
I had one writer who loved to do both with screen shots. His documents
are the ones I'm fixing now.
What about graphics on your master pages, such as logos and the likes?
I had some there too.

Berny

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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:23 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Numbers appended to file name

No, no OLE graphics here. Nearly all screen shots are imported by
reference, with the odd screen shot  implanted in the file. I have not
noticed any gray boxes.

/\/\
Murray


Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:51:25 -0400
From: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Numbers appended to file name
To: 
Message-ID:
 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Hi Murray,
FrameMaker is adding the funky alphanumeric extension to your Frame file
because it has changed substantially from the original. I suspect some
of your graphics are not being saved. I have seen that error a lot
lately, especially since our IT dept installed XP SP3 on our machines.
Do you use OLE for any of your graphics in your manuals? If so you may
be dismayed to find they have likely all been blown away. Check the new
files for gray boxes where graphics should be. I found that the first
time I opened a document with OLE images, the images appeared fine when
I first opened the file but if I tried to save the file, I got the
"graphics have not been saved" error message and the alphanumeric
extension on the file. The only solution to the problem was to eliminate
all OLE graphics and replace them with images imported by reference.
This bug was introduced with XP SP3 and there are no fixes that I know
of (and certainly none planned for Frame 6).
Best of luck.

Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Murray Moore
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:19 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Numbers appended to file name

I am having a problem using mif2go to save FM files as rtf, but I am
suspicious that the problem is with FM.

Recently I have noticed that when I save a FM file some times I get an
error message, something like "graphics have not been saved"; the saved
file's name is filename.fm.threelettersorcharacters, e,g,
filename.fm.1A2. I have to delete the 1A2 manually.

I just saved 03 DB Management.fm as 03DBManagement.fm because the mif2go
Help says spaces are bad in a file name to be converted, but what
resulted was 03DBManagement.fm.701.

(Never have I had a problem saving a FM file with spaces in its name as
RTF using mif2togo, eg, 03 DB Management.fm, but I was following the
mif2go Help
instructions.)

Why am I getting these three-letter-and-number-combination suffixes when
I save a FM file?

FM 6.0p405
XP Pro 2002 SP 3
Pentium D CPU 2.80GHz 2.80GHz, 0.99GB RAM

/\/\
Murray
Mississauga
(If you fly to Toronto you land in Mississauga) 
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Re: InDesign CS4

[Rick Quatro]

Yes, and it looks like additional XML support as well. There is also a new 
InDesign Markup Language, which looks like it functions similar to MIF for 
FrameMaker:

InDesign Markup Language (IDML), an XML- based file format, enables 
developers to programmatically assemble and disassemble InDesign documents 
using standard XML tools and without having to open INDD files. Realize 
increases in performance, convenience, and flexibility when building 
applications based on InDesign CS4.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Well, well, well.. InDesign finally gets cross-references. There’s
conditional text, too.



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InDesign CS4

[Paul Findon]

Well, well, well.. InDesign finally gets cross-references. There’s  
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RE: Numbers appended to file name

[Murray Moore]

No, no OLE graphics here. Nearly all screen shots are imported by reference,
with the odd screen shot  implanted in the file. I have not noticed any gray
boxes.

/\/\
Murray


Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:51:25 -0400
From: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Numbers appended to file name
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Hi Murray,
FrameMaker is adding the funky alphanumeric extension to your Frame file
because it has changed substantially from the original. I suspect some
of your graphics are not being saved. I have seen that error a lot
lately, especially since our IT dept installed XP SP3 on our machines.
Do you use OLE for any of your graphics in your manuals? If so you may
be dismayed to find they have likely all been blown away. Check the new
files for gray boxes where graphics should be. I found that the first
time I opened a document with OLE images, the images appeared fine when
I first opened the file but if I tried to save the file, I got the
"graphics have not been saved" error message and the alphanumeric
extension on the file. The only solution to the problem was to eliminate
all OLE graphics and replace them with images imported by reference.
This bug was introduced with XP SP3 and there are no fixes that I know
of (and certainly none planned for Frame 6).
Best of luck.

Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Murray Moore
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:19 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Numbers appended to file name

I am having a problem using mif2go to save FM files as rtf, but I am
suspicious that the problem is with FM.

Recently I have noticed that when I save a FM file some times I get an
error message, something like "graphics have not been saved"; the saved
file's name is filename.fm.threelettersorcharacters, e,g,
filename.fm.1A2. I have to delete the 1A2 manually.

I just saved 03 DB Management.fm as 03DBManagement.fm because the mif2go
Help says spaces are bad in a file name to be converted, but what
resulted was 03DBManagement.fm.701.

(Never have I had a problem saving a FM file with spaces in its name as
RTF using mif2togo, eg, 03 DB Management.fm, but I was following the
mif2go Help
instructions.)

Why am I getting these three-letter-and-number-combination suffixes when
I save a FM file?

FM 6.0p405
XP Pro 2002 SP 3
Pentium D CPU 2.80GHz 2.80GHz, 0.99GB RAM

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Murray
Mississauga
(If you fly to Toronto you land in Mississauga)
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Re: Backslashes In Hypertext Commands

[Stuart Rogers]

Richard Pesant wrote:
> Win XP SP2, P4 Extreme Ed. 3.46GHz + 3.47GHz 2GB, FM 8.0p277
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks to Rick Quattro, I am now aware of the backslash issue in dialog
> boxes and have a workaround within scripts. However, I need to create an
> hypertext command and do not know how to work around this issue. The
> hypertext command “openlink
> D:\Docs\Products\CARDIO\DAR-9400f\M517-E063L-E099D_DAR-9400f Ops
> Manuals_v3.0\D90+94_02-Overview.fm:2 998348” becomes “openlink
> D:‡ocs\Products\CARDIO‡AR-9400f\sm517-E063L-E099D_DAR-9400f Ops
> Manuals_v3.0‡90+94_02-Overview.fm:2 998348” where “\D” becomes “‡” and “\M”
> becomes “\sm”. If I use the “openObjectId” command, the backslashes are not
> replaced but the link does not work.
> 
>  
> 
> Does anyone knows a good  work around for this issue?
> 

Have you tried adding a second backslash at the problem points?  I think 
  that's how to get a literal backslash, but I haven't tested...

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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