Re: FM under Sheepshaver

[Graeme R Forbes]

 Does anyone have any hints about running Framemaker 7 Mac under the
 OS9 emulator Sheepshaver? It keeps crashing, while all other OS9 aps
 run fine.


There's a lot of discussion of Sheepshaver on the fmforosx yahoo  
group. For example, one contributor says

I had to pull the WebDAV and WebDAVLinks files
from the FrameMaker Modules folder to get it [FM7] to run.

So this might be a god place to look for tips.

Graeme Forbes
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Re: Framers Digest, Vol 37, Issue 22

[Tarlochan S. Nahal]

Dear Framers,
 
As Rob has mentioned, footnote is a chronic problem with FrameMaker that has 
never been addressed by its maker. I found that out 10 years ago when I was 
writing my thesis. I know this problem goes at least as far back as 1990. 
Writers were simply advised not to use footnotes by various Tech Pubs groups 
because this feature did not work!
 
I had a problem with footnote not only appearing on the wrong page, but also 
with footnote number appearing it in a foreign font if the footnote appeared 
right after the quote that used a non-English font. I tried various methods 
such as creating more space in the footnote area and adding micro spaces before 
and after the footnote and changing the font to normal Roman font. It did not 
help. Considering the nature of the project and the problem at hand, I had to 
abandon this tool and switch to other tool for the thesis because of this 
problem. 
 
While adding an extra space for footnotes helps, it is not a foolproof method 
either. You might still see some footnote text shifting randomly to the next 
page while the footnote actually apears on the previous page. This is not a 
pleasant situation especially if you are working on an academic project. I am 
hoping Frame would pay attention to this problem. 
 
Tarlochan S. Nahal
 
Sr. Technical Writer
 
 
 
 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Shell, Robert)
   2. Re: Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Rick Quatro)
   3. RE: Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Combs, Richard)


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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:54:33 +0200
From: Shell, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Footnote issues in FM 7.2
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Hi:
My rig is FM 7.2 b144 running on Vista Business.

I do scholarly publishing.  Footnotes on the bottom of the page in FM is an 
issue that I have raised both within this list and with Adobe (no reply from 
the latter).

I do not believe it is a train smash to have a single footnote on the 
following page after the footnote call (the number in the text). One still 
finds these in great published works. I have learned to live with this 
limitation since correction is very awkward and frustrating. Especially if 
you are editing the text until publication time.  Nevertheless one cannot 
but hope Adobe will fix it.

These are my workarounds

go to the Format menu
then to document
then to footnote properties

In the footnote properties box, max out what Adobe confusingly calls the 
column length, but what is really the footnote length. This seems
to gives 
FM an extra little room beyond the Adobe default. No silver bullet but every 
little bit helps...

Use the default footnote para format name in that same box. That
seems to 
trigger the footnote separator line (see below) more regularly than if you 
used something else.  Maybe this is just superstition.

Of course you can then change the footnote format to whatever you want in 
the designer.

Brutal and obvious ways.

1. Have fewer footnotes
2. Have shorter footnotes,  Use the Chicago short title system,
e.g. Smith, Using Footnotes, 139.
4. Inform your authors that long substantive footnotes are not fashionable, 
and that any footnote text should be elevated to the body (if it is worth 
anything). Keep footnotes strictly for citations. With shorter footnotes, FM 
will cope much better. Four lines or longer and FM starts acting up. My 
authors are just so delighted to have footnotes on the bottom of the page 
that they comply. University publishers steer clear of footnotes in favour 
of the horrible low class endnote.

Full text footnote justification seems to add to the page logic burden of FM 
so I avoid it.

My footnote font is always two points smaller than the main text. This helps 
too.Go down to six points to see if there is an improvement and then work 
your way up.

I know of no other program which does such an excellent job of juggling all 
the page logic variables as FM does. I use graphs and pics and strapheads. 
Try to do this in any other program and you will see how slippery the slope 
is. FM's stability is legendary

My current gripe is the 

floating point not loaded

[Nodea.Lopez]

Hi!
Could anyone help me with this problem? I opened an xml file downloaded
from our server, and this message prompted:

Program: C:\ProgramFiles\Adobe\Adobe FrameMaker 8\FrameMaker.exe 
R6002 
- floating point not loaded

And the same happens whenever I open the structure view of any
structured FM file.

Hope you can help! Thanks!

Regards,
Dae
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FM under Sheepshaver

[James Monaco]

Does anyone have any hints about running Framemaker 7 Mac under the  
OS9 emulator Sheepshaver? It keeps crashing, while all other OS9 aps  
run fine.

I'm on digest so would appreciate direct response. Thanks.

FM under Sheepshaver

[Graeme R Forbes]

>
> Does anyone have any hints about running Framemaker 7 Mac under the
> OS9 emulator Sheepshaver? It keeps crashing, while all other OS9 aps
> run fine.


There's a lot of discussion of Sheepshaver on the fmforosx yahoo  
group. For example, one contributor says

"I had to pull the WebDAV and WebDAVLinks files
from the FrameMaker Modules folder to get it [FM7] to run."

So this might be a god place to look for tips.

Graeme Forbes

FM under Sheepshaver

[Paul Findon]

On 23 Nov 2008, at 06:04, James Monaco wrote:

> Does anyone have any hints about running Framemaker 7 Mac under the
> OS9 emulator Sheepshaver? It keeps crashing, while all other OS9 aps
> run fine.
>
> I'm on digest so would appreciate direct response. Thanks.

Pull out the WebDAV and WebDAVLinks files from the FrameMaker Modules  
folder.

Paul

Framers Digest, Vol 37, Issue 22

[Tarlochan S. Nahal]

Dear Framers,
?
As Rob has mentioned, footnote is a chronic problem with FrameMaker that has 
never been addressed by its maker. I found that out 10 years ago when I was 
writing my thesis. I know this problem goes at least?as far back as 1990. 
Writers were simply advised not to use footnotes by various Tech Pubs groups 
because this feature?did not work!
?
I had a problem with footnote not only appearing on the wrong page, but also 
with footnote number?appearing it in a foreign?font if the footnote appeared 
right after the quote that used a non-English font. I tried various?methods 
such as creating more space in the footnote area and adding?micro spaces before 
and?after the footnote and changing the font to normal Roman font. It did not 
help. Considering the nature of the project and the problem at hand, I had to 
abandon this tool and switch to other tool for the thesis because of this 
problem. 
?
While adding an extra space for footnotes helps, it is not a foolproof method 
either. You might still see some footnote text shifting?randomly?to the next 
page?while the footnote actually apears on the previous page. This is?not a 
pleasant?situation especially?if you are working on an academic project. I am 
hoping Frame would pay attention to this problem. 
?
Tarlochan S. Nahal
?
Sr. Technical Writer
?
?
?
?

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Today's Topics:

   1. Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Shell, Robert)
   2. Re: Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Rick Quatro)
   3. RE: Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Combs, Richard)


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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:54:33 +0200
From: "Shell, Robert" 
Subject: Footnote issues in FM 7.2
To: 
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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Hi:
My rig is FM 7.2 b144 running on Vista Business.

I do scholarly publishing.  Footnotes on the bottom of the page in FM is an 
issue that I have raised both within this list and with Adobe (no reply from 
the latter).

I do not believe it is a train smash to have a single footnote on the 
following page after the footnote call (the number in the text). One still 
finds these in great published works. I have learned to live with this 
limitation since correction is very awkward and frustrating. Especially if 
you are editing the text until publication time.  Nevertheless one cannot 
but hope Adobe will fix it.

These are my workarounds

go to the Format menu
then to document
then to footnote properties

In the footnote properties box, max out what Adobe confusingly calls the 
"column" length, but what is really the footnote length. This seems
to gives 
FM an extra little room beyond the Adobe default. No silver bullet but every 
little bit helps...

Use the default "footnote" para format name in that same box. That
seems to 
trigger the footnote separator line (see below) more regularly than if you 
used something else.  Maybe this is just superstition.

Of course you can then change the footnote format to whatever you want in 
the designer.

Brutal and obvious ways.

1. Have fewer footnotes
2. Have shorter footnotes,  Use the Chicago short title system,
e.g. Smith, Using Footnotes, 139.
4. Inform your authors that long substantive footnotes are not fashionable, 
and that any footnote text should be elevated to the body (if it is worth 
anything). Keep footnotes strictly for citations. With shorter footnotes, FM 
will cope much better. Four lines or longer and FM starts acting up. My 
authors are just so delighted to have footnotes on the bottom of the page 
that they comply. University publishers steer clear of footnotes in favour 
of the horrible low class endnote.

Full text footnote justification seems to add to the page logic burden of FM 
so I avoid it.

My footnote font is always two points smaller than the main text. This helps 
too.Go down to six points to see if there is an improvement and then work 
your way up.

I know of no other program which does such an excellent job of juggling all 
the page logic variables as FM does. I use graphs and pics and strapheads. 
Try to do this in any other program and you will see how slippery the