RE: Translations or Localisation of Framemaker content

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi Fred,

You need to hire an LSP (localization service provider - AKA translation
vendor) to do the work for you.  You will likely hear from a number of
people on the list telling you to use the translation vendor they use
because the vendor worked ok for them.  While there is nothing wrong with
checking out the recommended vendors, your best chance of success is to use
the same criteria to hire a translation vendor as you would use to hire a
technical writer.  Do they have technical knowledge and experience in your
industry?  Do they have experience translating documents similar to yours
from English to Russian?  And that's just the tip of the iceberg.  I'll send
you detailed information offline.

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems

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Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:40 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Translations or Localisation of Framemaker content


Hi Framers,

We have two rather large technical manuals (300+ pages each with text and
illustrations) that will need to be translated into Russian (90-95% of the
material is common to both manuals). The content involves low to mid-level
information on mechanical, hydraulic, high-power, low-power, fiber-optic,
and telemetry systems (and a kitchen sink). We have not had to do any
translations prior to this, so it is unknown territory. I'd appreciate any
comments about how the process works, how to make it successful, and what
pitfalls to avoid. You can contact me off-list if you prefer or if you have
specific recommendations.

Thanks,
Fred

Fred Staal
Supervisor, Technical Publications
Schilling Robotics, LLC

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Fax: +1-530-753-8092
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Re: Translations or Localisation of Framemaker content

[bryan johnson]

Dianne's right. You do need an LSP. A couple of quick things to look for as you 
vet providers:
 
1. Do they use only professional translators? ATA certified or LISA
2. Do they use only mother tongue translators living in the target country?
3. Are their editors and proofreaders professional translators, mother tongue, 
living in target country?
4. Do they have access to translators with a technical background in your 
industry, if necessary.
 
Sorry so disjointed, dashed this quickly before a meeting...
 
I'll add our company's contact to your list:
 
Ed Laprath
The ComWell Group, llc
www.thecomwellgroup.com 
ed.lapr...@thecomwellgroup.com 
 
Good luck,
 
All the best,
 
Bryan
 
 
Bryan K. Johnson
Senior Technical Writer
Motoman Inc.
(937) 440-2606
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Re: searching for a section symbol

[Stuart Rogers]

Klaus Daube wrote:
 On 5 Mar 2009 at 13:59, Stuart Rogers wrote:
 
 scratches head
 Hmm.  I only did the quickest test so didn't encounter finding all those
 other spaces.  Does seem like \f has no effect. /scratches head
 
 Well, actually we are no searching for the section symbol § (as text), but 
 for the text 
 symbol representing: end of flow, end of cell, end of footnote.
 
 In FrameMaker 8 (p277) a search for  \f (without the quotes) will find what 
 you search for. 
 However, in a document containing footnotes and tables, the \f (with no 
 preceeding character, 
 such as a or * (wildcard for any except punctuation) will enter each cell and 
 each footnote…
 

Hi Klaus,

In FM 7, the Help says \f will find end of flow or end of table cell, 
but a search for  \f finds every space in the document without regard 
to its position, and a search for \f brings up an error message.

When I have the courage to install my TCS 2 trial, I'll see what FM 9 does!

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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FrameMaker to CHM

[Jennifer Randel]

Hi all,
I've just been assigned the task of creating CHM files, which I've never done. 
I'm currently working in FM 7.2 on a WinXP box.

Is there an application that I can plug into Frame to generate CHM files or 
will I have to recreate my docs in another application to produce CHM's?

Thanks in advance,

Jennifer Randel
Data Processing Technical Writer
Kern High School District
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Yen instead of bullets

[Anne Urban]

Frame 7.0, Power Macintosh Release 7.0p492
PowerMac G5, 2G memory, 230 G HD
Mac OS X 10.4.11, Frame runs in Classic version 1.9 build

Dear Framers,

I have put myself in a hole and am stuck here.  The problem
is that when I produce a PDF by distilling PostScript, or
when I print directly, my bullets show up as yen, and my
apostrophes don't show up at all.  This is new, but I haven't
changed Frame or Distiller.  I did, however, install Acrobat
9 Pro recently.

I looked at the MIF; bullets show up there as \xa5, apostrophes
show up as \xd5.

I've tried setting the printer to Adobe PDF 7.0 and Adobe PDF 9.0.
I've tried choosing TrueType as the preferred format.
(I'm a font ignoramus.)
The font is TimesNewRoman.

I would love to be able to print again.  Argh.  Thanks.

Regards,
-Anne Urban




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Structured Frame Help

[roconnor1]

Hi guys
I haven't used Framemaker for about 7 yrs (unfortunately) and only used 
unstructured Frame in V5.5

Does anyone out there have some source templates, or a small book example of a 
structured doc? I need to get up and racing pretty quickly and I figure using 
an existing example is always the easiest way.

I have Framemaker 7.1 right now but will be moving to V8.0 next week and 
utilising the DITA mapping as well. So rather than panicking I'm screaming for 
help.

any help is appreciated.
bye for now
Rose




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RE: searching for a section symbol

[Robert Evans]

Carol,

The FM help and book both list \f as being the sequence for finding the
end-of-flow or end-of-table-cell character (which I think is what you
mean by the section symbol), so something like [0-9] \f _should_ work.

However, trying it out (on FM 7, Windows XP), it does seem to work, but
will also find anything with a ending with a digit and a space, so
adding \f doesn't seem to do much. 

Is this a bug in FM7? I'm sure I've used \f in the past for tidying up
tables and it worked (only it didn't actually select the end-of-flow
symbol, and of course you can't replace it).

Rob

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J.
Elkins
Sent: 04 March 2009 23:39
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: searching for a section symbol

In a table cell with View-Text Symbols turned on, how do I search 
for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and 
preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search 
for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, 
etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol.
Thanks!

Carol

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Numbering Lists for book

[Carol Gosnell]

Hi, 

 

I am sure someone knows the answer to this, but it is eluding me...

 

I am numbering graphics and tables in a multi-chapter book. The project
manager would like to generate one List of Figures and one List of
Tables (sequential numbers for each list).

How do I do that? Each chapter begins the numbering anew and the only
thing I can think of is to add a chapter prefix to the autonumbering in
the paragraph tag, but I'd rather have a much simpler list.

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Carol Gosnell

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FW: Framemaker image problem

[Brabson, Michelle]

This post is from a colleague of mine.

I have a growing problem with imported images into FrameMaker 7.2.

I typically work off a network. A few months ago, I started getting an odd 
message when I'd try to save files with images that are imported objects. 
(These are files I've worked on for years.) Even if I didn't change the image 
but only, say, changed the footer information, I'd get the following message:

An internal error occurred while writing imported graphics in this document. 
The file has been saved, but has lost some image data. 

Our production manager looked at the files, copying them to her desktop, and 
had no problems. So I started working on those files on my desktop, and for a 
short time, the problem disappeared, only to come back worse than ever.

Now, whenever I save a document into which I've inserted an image, I get this 
message. I've tried 'FileImportFile...Import by Reference,' 
FileImportFile...Copy into Document,' 'FileImportObject...Create from 
File...Link,' and FileImportObject...Create from File' (without a link). I've 
tried to import Canvas files (.cnv), Visio files (.vsd), plain .jpgs and plain 
.gifs, and always get the same result.

Once this occurs, I have a file in the same path as my original file with a 
seemingly random 3-character extension after the .fm, such as 'CO4' or '357'. 
If I double-click the file and open with Frame, or if I delete the wonky 
extension, the file opens, but a grey box is displayed instead of the image.

I'm on FrameMaker 7.2p158, with Window XP Professional Version 5.1 (Build 
2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236 : Service Pack 3).

Our production manager found a previous post about Service Pack 3 of XP causing 
problems with imported images, but she is also on Service Pack 3 and is not 
having this problem.

I am on digest. Please respond directly to the e-mail addresses so we may see 
your comments when you make them.

Michelle

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Overprint graphic does not overprint when printing to PDF with FrameMaker 8.0p277

[Simon BUCH]

Dear Framers,

It has been quite a long time since I last accessed FrameUsers ... but I
am now asking if anyone has any experience with issues regarding FM8
printing errors?

The reason I ask is because I have an interesting PDF file, which was
created by our customer using CADscript.  The PDF when opened in Acrobat
[version 6 onwards] displays correctly - with the contours and elevation
of the mountains shown in the custom spot colour.   Acrobat displays the
contours and elevation numbers even if the Acrobat Overprint preview
option is *not* enabled.

When I import the PDF into FrameMaker 7.1, the graphic is shown
correctly.   When I print from FM7.1 to the Adobe PDF printer, the
resultant PDF output also displays correctly.   When I import the PDF
into FrameMaker 8.0p277, the graphic is also shown correctly.

Everything is good so far ... until when I print from FM8.0 to the
Adobe PDF printer, the resultant PDF output makes the overprint area
knocked out.

We have tried FM8 with the Adobe PDF printer from Acrobat 6, Acrobat 8
Elements [the one shipped with FM8] and also the latest Acrobat 9
Professional - all with the same results.

Does anyone have any suggestions, recommendations, etc.?


Regards
// Simon BUCH -- M-AIS
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RE: Structured Frame Help

[David Spreadbury]

Rose,
Try Googling for framemaker tutorials. 

One of the hits will take you to
http://www.io.com/~tcm/etwr2472/guides/frame/frame_basics.html. A fairly
decent online tutorial.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:52 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Structured Frame Help

Hi guys
I haven't used Framemaker for about 7 yrs (unfortunately) and only used 
unstructured Frame in V5.5

Does anyone out there have some source templates, or a small book example of
a 
structured doc? I need to get up and racing pretty quickly and I figure
using 
an existing example is always the easiest way.

I have Framemaker 7.1 right now but will be moving to V8.0 next week and 
utilising the DITA mapping as well. So rather than panicking I'm screaming
for 
help.

any help is appreciated.
bye for now
Rose




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RE: FrameMaker to CHM

[David Spreadbury]

Jennifer,
I am surprised that Jeremy hasn't jumped on this one already.

Mif2Go (www.omsys.com) will give you very good chm. They have a fully
functional free demo version.

I might even have a configuration file that could be modified to spit out a
chm straight from Frame.

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Subject: FrameMaker to CHM 

Hi all,
I've just been assigned the task of creating CHM files, which I've never
done. I'm currently working in FM 7.2 on a WinXP box.

Is there an application that I can plug into Frame to generate CHM files or
will I have to recreate my docs in another application to produce CHM's?

Thanks in advance,

Jennifer Randel
Data Processing Technical Writer
Kern High School District
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Re: Structured Frame Help

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Rose...

Sorry to have not responded sooner.

If you're on FM7.1 and want to start messing around with DITA authoring, 
you can use our free version of DITA-FMx (supports FM7.1 and 7.2). The 
0.0 version of DITA-FMx provides you with structured apps and some 
sample files and will let you get into DITA authoring in Frame. It 
doesn't offer all of the features that are in the 1.0 version of 
DITA-FMx (but provides more authoring features than you'll find in FM8).

When you do get FM8 up and running, you might want to check out DITA-FMx 
1.0 which provides integrated access to the Open Toolkit plus lots of 
nice authoring features. If you're using DITA-FMx (any version) you can 
email us for help.  :)

Cheers,

...scott

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+1.415.485.1892



roconn...@netspace.net.au wrote:
 Hi guys
 I haven't used Framemaker for about 7 yrs (unfortunately) and only used 
 unstructured Frame in V5.5

 Does anyone out there have some source templates, or a small book example of 
 a 
 structured doc? I need to get up and racing pretty quickly and I figure using 
 an existing example is always the easiest way.

 I have Framemaker 7.1 right now but will be moving to V8.0 next week and 
 utilising the DITA mapping as well. So rather than panicking I'm screaming 
 for 
 help.

 any help is appreciated.
 bye for now
 Rose



 
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Re: Structured Frame Help

[Sarah O'Keefe]

Hi Rose,

All of our training materials are available here (two unstructured and
three structured courses):

http://wiki.scriptorium.com

The examples are written for v7 but will also work in v8.

As the content is editable, we hope that the community will participate
in updating this resource for v9.

Regards,

Sarah O'Keefe

roconn...@netspace.net.au wrote:
 Hi guys
 I haven't used Framemaker for about 7 yrs (unfortunately) and only used 
 unstructured Frame in V5.5

 Does anyone out there have some source templates, or a small book example of 
 a 
 structured doc? I need to get up and racing pretty quickly and I figure using 
 an existing example is always the easiest way.

 I have Framemaker 7.1 right now but will be moving to V8.0 next week and 
 utilising the DITA mapping as well. So rather than panicking I'm screaming 
 for 
 help.

 any help is appreciated.
 bye for now
 Rose



 
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Re: Structured Frame Help

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu,  5 Mar 2009 10:52:04 +1100, roconn...@netspace.net.au wrote:

I haven't used Framemaker for about 7 yrs (unfortunately) and only used 
unstructured Frame in V5.5

Does anyone out there have some source templates, or a small book example of a 
structured doc? I need to get up and racing pretty quickly and I figure using 
an existing example is always the easiest way.

I have Framemaker 7.1 right now but will be moving to V8.0 next week and 
utilising the DITA mapping as well. So rather than panicking I'm screaming for 
help.

If you want to move to DITA in structured Frame, there are
two basic methods.  With Frame alone, you can prepare a 
conversion table and get DITA 1.0 structure in Frame 7.x
and 8.  If you want DITA 1.1, which we highly recommend 
over 1.0, you need Frame 9, *or* Leximation's DITA-FMx,
which now supports 1.1 in FM7.2, FM8 and FM9 (but not 
in FM 7.1).  Actually, you need DITA-FMx in any case,
just to fix Frame's numerous DITA bugs:
  http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/beta.php
(And Scott's support is excellent!)

You can also use Mif2Go to convert UNstructured Frame
files (from any version since 5.5.6) to DITA 1.1 (or
1.0, if necessary).  Most people seem to find that much
easier than the conversion-table route (where you can't
get to 1.1 without FM9 in any case).  There's a free
unlimited demo version of Mif2Go at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

So what we'd suggest is use Mif2Go to get from your
FM 7.1 docs to DITA 1.1, then when you have Frame 8,
use DITA-FMx 1.0 to move the DITA files into (and
out of) structured Frame.

Once you are in structured Frame, you'll want to make 
your PDFs within Frame, not via the DITA-OT, unless you
also want to become an XSLT and Java programmer.  g
And you can still use Mif2Go to make on-line HTML help;
it's much faster and easier than the DITA-OT for that.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: Yen instead of bullets

[Mike Wickham]

 I've tried setting the printer to Adobe PDF 7.0 and Adobe PDF 9.0.

Are these both on the same computer? Adobe doesn't support having more than 
one instance total of Adobe Acrobat and/or Adobe Reader and/or the Distiller 
that comes with FrameMaker on the same computer. Installing one can damage 
the others. If you have programs/versions installed on the same computer, 
uninstall them all and reinstall one version of Acrobat (preferable) or one 
version of the Distiller that comes with FrameMaker only.

I don't know if doing that will solve your particular problem, but if not, 
it will probably solve others that you haven't discovered yet. : )

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Re: Numbering Lists for book

[Mike Wickham]

 I am numbering graphics and tables in a multi-chapter book. The project
 manager would like to generate one List of Figures and one List of
 Tables (sequential numbers for each list).

 How do I do that? Each chapter begins the numbering anew and the only
 thing I can think of is to add a chapter prefix to the autonumbering in
 the paragraph tag, but I'd rather have a much simpler list.

Create separate paragraph tags for tables and figures. In the autonumbering 
properties of each assign a series label (any single printable character 
followed by a colon). For example, place F: before the numbering properties 
for the figure-holding paragraph format and  T: before the numbering 
properties of the table-holding paragraph. Then you can generate your List 
of Tables or List of Figures by choosing the correct paragraph style in the 
setup.

You also may want to have your project manager check out the document, The 
Case for Simple Numbering, found here:
http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/nonum.html

Mike Wickham


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Re: FW: Framemaker image problem

[Art Campbell]

The reference to SP3 that you mentioned...  a security fix in SP3
breaks objects imported with OLE. So those types of imports break.
The other graphics are probably imported as files, by reference, and
don't use OLE.

The fix is to replace the OLE objects by converting them to graphics
and importing them by reference.

They seem to be working fine in FM 9, which was released after the SP3
problem appeared.

Art

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On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Brabson, Michelle
michelle.brab...@sungardhe.com wrote:
 This post is from a colleague of mine.

 I have a growing problem with imported images into FrameMaker 7.2.

 I typically work off a network. A few months ago, I started getting an odd 
 message when I'd try to save files with images that are imported objects. 
 (These are files I've worked on for years.) Even if I didn't change the image 
 but only, say, changed the footer information, I'd get the following message:

 An internal error occurred while writing imported graphics in this document. 
 The file has been saved, but has lost some image data. 

 Our production manager looked at the files, copying them to her desktop, and 
 had no problems. So I started working on those files on my desktop, and for a 
 short time, the problem disappeared, only to come back worse than ever.

 Now, whenever I save a document into which I've inserted an image, I get this 
 message. I've tried 'FileImportFile...Import by Reference,' 
 FileImportFile...Copy into Document,' 'FileImportObject...Create from 
 File...Link,' and FileImportObject...Create from File' (without a link). 
 I've tried to import Canvas files (.cnv), Visio files (.vsd), plain .jpgs and 
 plain .gifs, and always get the same result.

 Once this occurs, I have a file in the same path as my original file with a 
 seemingly random 3-character extension after the .fm, such as 'CO4' or '357'. 
 If I double-click the file and open with Frame, or if I delete the wonky 
 extension, the file opens, but a grey box is displayed instead of the image.

 I'm on FrameMaker 7.2p158, with Window XP Professional Version 5.1 (Build 
 2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236 : Service Pack 3).

 Our production manager found a previous post about Service Pack 3 of XP 
 causing problems with imported images, but she is also on Service Pack 3 and 
 is not having this problem.

 I am on digest. Please respond directly to the e-mail addresses so we may see 
 your comments when you make them.

 Michelle

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RE: searching for a section symbol

[Les Smalley]

The \f  (end-of-flow) special character search does not work correctly inside a 
table in FrameMaker (at least, not on Windows) for at least versions 5 through 
8.   However, you can use the hex equivalent - enter \x0b as the search text 
(wildcards not needed) to find the end-of-flow in the cells.  For some reason, 
it does not select (highlight) the EOF symbol (displayed as the section 
character) if there is any text preceding it in the paragraph, but it does 
place the insertion point there.

For your seach, you can find the string  \x0b  (without quotes) and replace 
with nothing to eliminate the terminal spaces, as the end of flow can not be 
removed.

– Lester

--- On Wed, 3/4/09, Alan Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote:
Carol, 

As I understand it there is no dialog operator to find that. I 
guess that is the case because it is 'outside' the text flow and 
therefore is not searched as a 'text symbol'. Your best option 
is to search for end-of-paragraph symbols.

If however you are seeking to navigate to the end of a flow of 
text, I think there is a way to move the Insertion Point to the 
end of a flow (IPEndOfFlow) but I can't think of it at the 
moment. It may be necessary for you to define a keyboard command
for this action(?).

Information on Customizing FrameMaker's behaviour can be found 
here:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/customize_frame.pdf

(Sorry, you didn't say which version).

Alan

 In a table cell with View-Text Symbols turned on, how do I search
 for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and
 preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search
 for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol,
 etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol.
 Thanks!

-- 
Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS
AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz


  
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Highlighting specific components in a graphic in a PDF

[Shlomo Perets]

Carla,

You wrote:

>Situation:
>- Maintenance Manual for a printer.
>- Framemaker 8 source files on WinXP.
>- 2-D exploded diagram graphics pulled from the CAD system. Each diagram
>has parts from multiple kits in it. Files created in CorelDraw and/or
>Illustrator.
>- Documents distributed via PDFs on a CD, although they are also
>formatted for print.
>- Currently using Acrobat 8 Pro.
>
>The product manager wants the writer (not me) to draw boxes around the
>various parts in the exploded diagram to highlight what's in specific
>kits. (Never mind that the components of each kit are called out in
>another section, with their own graphics..)
>
>Instead of doing this and crowding up a graphic that already has bunches
>of parts and lines, I'm thinking that there is a way to create a graphic
>that when we mouse over a legend indicating different kit numbers, the
>appropriate parts will highlight in the PDF.
>
>Any suggestions?


As Baruch indicated, Acrobat form fields or layers may be used with 2D 
graphics.

Another option (which may actually be simpler to implement) is to use 3D data
from the CAD system and integrate it as live 3D in the PDF.

In http://www.microtype.com/showcase/3DAsst/PartEmphasis-3d.pdf
(which happens to demonstrate a printer ink cartridge), clicking a name
in a list highlights the corresponding part.

In http://www.microtype.com/showcase/3DAsst/SearchPartName.pdf ,
clicking a part displays its name; searching for a part name (complete or
partial, eg "plate") highlights the matching part(s).


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

Translations or Localisation of Framemaker content

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi Fred,

You need to hire an LSP (localization service provider - AKA translation
vendor) to do the work for you.  You will likely hear from a number of
people on the list telling you to use the translation vendor they use
because the vendor worked ok for them.  While there is nothing wrong with
checking out the recommended vendors, your best chance of success is to use
the same criteria to hire a translation vendor as you would use to hire a
technical writer.  Do they have technical knowledge and experience in your
industry?  Do they have experience translating documents similar to yours
from English to Russian?  And that's just the tip of the iceberg.  I'll send
you detailed information offline.

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems

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Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:40 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Translations or Localisation of Framemaker content


Hi Framers,

We have two rather large technical manuals (300+ pages each with text and
illustrations) that will need to be translated into Russian (90-95% of the
material is common to both manuals). The content involves low to mid-level
information on mechanical, hydraulic, high-power, low-power, fiber-optic,
and telemetry systems (and a kitchen sink). We have not had to do any
translations prior to this, so it is unknown territory. I'd appreciate any
comments about how the process works, how to make it successful, and what
pitfalls to avoid. You can contact me off-list if you prefer or if you have
specific recommendations.

Thanks,
Fred

Fred Staal
Supervisor, Technical Publications
Schilling Robotics, LLC

Tel:  +1-530-747-2850
Fax: +1-530-753-8092
fred.staal at schilling.com
www.schilling.com

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Translations or Localisation of Framemaker content

[bryan johnson]

Dianne's right. You do need an LSP. A couple of quick things to look for as you 
vet providers:

1. Do they use only professional translators? ATA certified or LISA
2. Do they use only mother tongue translators living in the target country?
3. Are their editors and proofreaders professional translators, mother tongue, 
living in target country?
4. Do they have access to translators with a technical background in your 
industry, if necessary.

Sorry so disjointed, dashed this quickly before a meeting...

I'll add our company's contact to your list:

Ed Laprath
The ComWell Group, llc
www.thecomwellgroup.com 
ed.laprath at thecomwellgroup.com 

Good luck,

All the best,

Bryan


Bryan K. Johnson
Senior Technical Writer
Motoman Inc.
(937) 440-2606

searching for a section symbol

[Stuart Rogers]

Klaus Daube wrote:
> On 5 Mar 2009 at 13:59, Stuart Rogers wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hmm.  I only did the quickest test so didn't encounter finding all those
>> other spaces.  Does seem like \f has no effect. 
> 
> Well, actually we are no searching for the section symbol ? (as text), but 
> for the text 
> symbol representing: end of flow, end of cell, end of footnote.
> 
> In FrameMaker 8 (p277) a search for " \f" (without the quotes) will find what 
> you search for. 
> However, in a document containing footnotes and tables, the \f (with no 
> preceeding character, 
> such as a or * (wildcard for any except punctuation) will enter each cell and 
> each footnote?
> 

Hi Klaus,

In FM 7, the Help says "\f" will find end of flow or end of table cell, 
but a search for " \f" finds every space in the document without regard 
to its position, and a search for "\f" brings up an error message.

When I have the courage to install my TCS 2 trial, I'll see what FM 9 does!

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product."

-- Eleanor Roosevelt

FrameMaker Plugin for Converting Text Insets and Variables To Text

[Joseph]

Hi all,

My technical publications team primarily uses text insets to single source
content across 8 documents, which combine consist of about 2,000 pages. When
we prepare are documentation for publication, there is another group in our
company that needs access to the Frame source and needs the frame source to
be all text (no text insets). We also need to, for other reasons, to convert
all our variables to text. Our current process is to copy the Frame source
to another folder and then to open up each file in each FM book and convert
it to text. Here's my question: is there a framescript/plugin that would
convert text insets and variables to text on the book level as opposed to
the document level?

-- 
Sincerely,

Joseph Lorenzini

Overprint graphic does not overprint when printing to PDF with FrameMaker 8.0p277

[Simon BUCH]

Dear Framers,

It has been quite a long time since I last accessed FrameUsers ... but I
am now asking if anyone has any experience with issues regarding FM8
printing errors?

The reason I ask is because I have an interesting PDF file, which was
created by our customer using CADscript.  The PDF when opened in Acrobat
[version 6 onwards] displays correctly - with the contours and elevation
of the mountains shown in the custom spot colour.   Acrobat displays the
contours and elevation numbers even if the Acrobat "Overprint preview"
option is *not* enabled.

When I import the PDF into FrameMaker 7.1, the graphic is shown
correctly.   When I print from FM7.1 to the "Adobe PDF" printer, the
resultant PDF output also displays correctly.   When I import the PDF
into FrameMaker 8.0p277, the graphic is also shown correctly.

Everything is good so far ... until when I print from FM8.0 to the
"Adobe PDF" printer, the resultant PDF output makes the overprint area
knocked out.

We have tried FM8 with the Adobe PDF printer from Acrobat 6, Acrobat 8
Elements [the one shipped with FM8] and also the latest Acrobat 9
Professional - all with the same results.

Does anyone have any suggestions, recommendations, etc.?


Regards
// Simon BUCH -- M-AIS

Structured Frame Help

[David Spreadbury]

Rose,
Try Googling for framemaker tutorials. 

One of the hits will take you to
http://www.io.com/~tcm/etwr2472/guides/frame/frame_basics.html. A fairly
decent online tutorial.

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
roconnor1 at netspace.net.au
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:52 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Structured Frame Help

Hi guys
I haven't used Framemaker for about 7 yrs (unfortunately) and only used 
unstructured Frame in V5.5

Does anyone out there have some source templates, or a small book example of
a 
structured doc? I need to get up and racing pretty quickly and I figure
using 
an existing example is always the easiest way.

I have Framemaker 7.1 right now but will be moving to V8.0 next week and 
utilising the DITA mapping as well. So rather than panicking I'm screaming
for 
help.

any help is appreciated.
bye for now
Rose




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FrameMaker to CHM

[David Spreadbury]

Jennifer,
I am surprised that Jeremy hasn't jumped on this one already.

Mif2Go (www.omsys.com) will give you very good chm. They have a fully
functional free demo version.

I might even have a configuration file that could be modified to spit out a
chm straight from Frame.

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Subject: FrameMaker to CHM 

Hi all,
I've just been assigned the task of creating CHM files, which I've never
done. I'm currently working in FM 7.2 on a WinXP box.

Is there an application that I can plug into Frame to generate CHM files or
will I have to recreate my docs in another application to produce CHM's?

Thanks in advance,

Jennifer Randel
Data Processing Technical Writer
Kern High School District
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Structured Frame Help

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Rose...

Sorry to have not responded sooner.

If you're on FM7.1 and want to start messing around with DITA authoring, 
you can use our free version of DITA-FMx (supports FM7.1 and 7.2). The 
0.0 version of DITA-FMx provides you with structured apps and some 
sample files and will let you get into DITA authoring in Frame. It 
doesn't offer all of the features that are in the 1.0 version of 
DITA-FMx (but provides more authoring features than you'll find in FM8).

When you do get FM8 up and running, you might want to check out DITA-FMx 
1.0 which provides integrated access to the Open Toolkit plus lots of 
nice authoring features. If you're using DITA-FMx (any version) you can 
email us for help.  :)

Cheers,

...scott

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Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



roconnor1 at netspace.net.au wrote:
> Hi guys
> I haven't used Framemaker for about 7 yrs (unfortunately) and only used 
> unstructured Frame in V5.5
>
> Does anyone out there have some source templates, or a small book example of 
> a 
> structured doc? I need to get up and racing pretty quickly and I figure using 
> an existing example is always the easiest way.
>
> I have Framemaker 7.1 right now but will be moving to V8.0 next week and 
> utilising the DITA mapping as well. So rather than panicking I'm screaming 
> for 
> help.
>
> any help is appreciated.
> bye for now
> Rose
>
>
>
> 
> This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au
>
>   

Structured Frame Help

[Sarah O'Keefe]

Hi Rose,

All of our training materials are available here (two unstructured and
three structured courses):

http://wiki.scriptorium.com

The examples are written for v7 but will also work in v8.

As the content is editable, we hope that the community will participate
in updating this resource for v9.

Regards,

Sarah O'Keefe

roconnor1 at netspace.net.au wrote:
> Hi guys
> I haven't used Framemaker for about 7 yrs (unfortunately) and only used 
> unstructured Frame in V5.5
>
> Does anyone out there have some source templates, or a small book example of 
> a 
> structured doc? I need to get up and racing pretty quickly and I figure using 
> an existing example is always the easiest way.
>
> I have Framemaker 7.1 right now but will be moving to V8.0 next week and 
> utilising the DITA mapping as well. So rather than panicking I'm screaming 
> for 
> help.
>
> any help is appreciated.
> bye for now
> Rose
>
>
>
> 
> This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au
>
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Structured Frame Help

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu,  5 Mar 2009 10:52:04 +1100, roconnor1 at netspace.net.au wrote:

>I haven't used Framemaker for about 7 yrs (unfortunately) and only used 
>unstructured Frame in V5.5
>
>Does anyone out there have some source templates, or a small book example of a 
>structured doc? I need to get up and racing pretty quickly and I figure using 
>an existing example is always the easiest way.
>
>I have Framemaker 7.1 right now but will be moving to V8.0 next week and 
>utilising the DITA mapping as well. So rather than panicking I'm screaming for 
>help.

If you want to move to DITA in structured Frame, there are
two basic methods.  With Frame alone, you can prepare a 
"conversion table" and get DITA 1.0 structure in Frame 7.x
and 8.  If you want DITA 1.1, which we highly recommend 
over 1.0, you need Frame 9, *or* Leximation's DITA-FMx,
which now supports 1.1 in FM7.2, FM8 and FM9 (but not 
in FM 7.1).  Actually, you need DITA-FMx in any case,
just to fix Frame's numerous DITA bugs:
  http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/beta.php
(And Scott's support is excellent!)

You can also use Mif2Go to convert UNstructured Frame
files (from any version since 5.5.6) to DITA 1.1 (or
1.0, if necessary).  Most people seem to find that much
easier than the conversion-table route (where you can't
get to 1.1 without FM9 in any case).  There's a free
unlimited demo version of Mif2Go at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

So what we'd suggest is use Mif2Go to get from your
FM 7.1 docs to DITA 1.1, then when you have Frame 8,
use DITA-FMx 1.0 to move the DITA files into (and
out of) structured Frame.

Once you are in structured Frame, you'll want to make 
your PDFs within Frame, not via the DITA-OT, unless you
also want to become an XSLT and Java programmer.  
And you can still use Mif2Go to make on-line HTML help;
it's much faster and easier than the DITA-OT for that.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Yen instead of bullets

[Mike Wickham]

> I've tried setting the printer to Adobe PDF 7.0 and Adobe PDF 9.0.

Are these both on the same computer? Adobe doesn't support having more than 
one instance total of Adobe Acrobat and/or Adobe Reader and/or the Distiller 
that comes with FrameMaker on the same computer. Installing one can damage 
the others. If you have programs/versions installed on the same computer, 
uninstall them all and reinstall one version of Acrobat (preferable) or one 
version of the Distiller that comes with FrameMaker only.

I don't know if doing that will solve your particular problem, but if not, 
it will probably solve others that you haven't discovered yet. : )

Mike Wickham

Numbering Lists for book

[Mike Wickham]

> I am numbering graphics and tables in a multi-chapter book. The project
> manager would like to generate one List of Figures and one List of
> Tables (sequential numbers for each list).
>
> How do I do that? Each chapter begins the numbering anew and the only
> thing I can think of is to add a chapter prefix to the autonumbering in
> the paragraph tag, but I'd rather have a much simpler list.

Create separate paragraph tags for tables and figures. In the autonumbering 
properties of each assign a series label (any single printable character 
followed by a colon). For example, place F: before the numbering properties 
for the figure-holding paragraph format and  T: before the numbering 
properties of the table-holding paragraph. Then you can generate your List 
of Tables or List of Figures by choosing the correct paragraph style in the 
setup.

You also may want to have your project manager check out the document, "The 
Case for Simple Numbering, found here:
http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/nonum.html

Mike Wickham

FW: Framemaker image problem

[Art Campbell]

The reference to SP3 that you mentioned...  a security "fix" in SP3
breaks objects imported with OLE. So those types of imports break.
The other graphics are probably imported as files, by reference, and
don't use OLE.

The fix is to replace the OLE objects by converting them to graphics
and importing them by reference.

They seem to be working fine in FM 9, which was released after the SP3
problem appeared.

Art

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Brabson, Michelle
 wrote:
> This post is from a colleague of mine.
>
> I have a growing problem with imported images into FrameMaker 7.2.
>
> I typically work off a network. A few months ago, I started getting an odd 
> message when I'd try to save files with images that are imported objects. 
> (These are files I've worked on for years.) Even if I didn't change the image 
> but only, say, changed the footer information, I'd get the following message:
>
> "An internal error occurred while writing imported graphics in this document. 
> The file has been saved, but has lost some image data. "
>
> Our production manager looked at the files, copying them to her desktop, and 
> had no problems. So I started working on those files on my desktop, and for a 
> short time, the problem disappeared, only to come back worse than ever.
>
> Now, whenever I save a document into which I've inserted an image, I get this 
> message. I've tried 'File>Import>File...Import by Reference,' 
> File>Import>File...Copy into Document,' 'File>Import>Object...Create from 
> File...Link,' and File>Import>Object...Create from File' (without a link). 
> I've tried to import Canvas files (.cnv), Visio files (.vsd), plain .jpgs and 
> plain .gifs, and always get the same result.
>
> Once this occurs, I have a file in the same path as my original file with a 
> seemingly random 3-character extension after the .fm, such as 'CO4' or '357'. 
> If I double-click the file and open with Frame, or if I delete the wonky 
> extension, the file opens, but a grey box is displayed instead of the image.
>
> I'm on FrameMaker 7.2p158, with Window XP Professional Version 5.1 (Build 
> 2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236 : Service Pack 3).
>
> Our production manager found a previous post about Service Pack 3 of XP 
> causing problems with imported images, but she is also on Service Pack 3 and 
> is not having this problem.
>
> I am on digest. Please respond directly to the e-mail addresses so we may see 
> your comments when you make them.
>
> Michelle
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searching for a section symbol

[Les Smalley]

The \f? (end-of-flow) special character search does not work correctly inside a 
table in FrameMaker (at least, not on Windows) for at least versions 5 through 
8.?? However, you can use the hex equivalent - enter \x0b as the search text 
(wildcards not needed) to find the end-of-flow in the cells.? For some reason, 
it does not select (highlight) the EOF symbol (displayed as the section 
character) if there is any text preceding it in the paragraph, but it does 
place the insertion point there.

For your seach, you can find the string " \x0b"? (without quotes) and replace 
with nothing to eliminate the terminal spaces, as the end of flow can not be 
removed.

? Lester

--- On Wed, 3/4/09, Alan Litchfield  wrote:
Carol, 

As I understand it there is no dialog operator to find that. I 
guess that is the case because it is 'outside' the text flow and 
therefore is not searched as a 'text symbol'. Your best option 
is to search for end-of-paragraph symbols.

If however you are seeking to navigate to the end of a flow of 
text, I think there is a way to move the Insertion Point to the 
end of a flow (IPEndOfFlow) but I can't think of it at the 
moment. It may be necessary for you to define a keyboard command
for this action(?).

Information on Customizing FrameMaker's behaviour can be found 
here:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/customize_frame.pdf

(Sorry, you didn't say which version).

Alan

> In a table cell with View->Text Symbols turned on, how do I search
> for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and
> preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search
> for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol,
> etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol.
> Thanks!

-- 
Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS
AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz